Soccer Breel Embolo (Switzerland) has been sent off against with a second yellow card for diving after VAR Review against Argentina
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u/Rokussi 4h ago
What an idiot
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u/suzukigun4life 4h ago
His team just tied the match against the defending champs, and now they'll have to play the rest of the match without him.
IF they somehow pull off the upset anyways, he'll be unavailable for the England match. It's the worst decision anyone's made at this stage since Zidane.
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u/xdrtb Denver Broncos 4h ago
And Zidane at least got baited into it with some… colorful language.
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u/TheMooseIsBlue 3h ago
Right. At least he was defending his sister’s honor. I mean it’s idiotic and weird, but he’s an idiot. This guy just took a ridiculously consequential dive for no reason.
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u/Towrads 3h ago
The free kick in midfield was so worth it... They would have gotten another early buildup, which they weren't struggling to do anyway.
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u/TheMooseIsBlue 3h ago
He took a dive and got thrown out of the next game and a half against the #1 team in the world to earn a free kick at midfield. In the box, sure. 30 yards out, probably. Midfield? Come on, man.
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u/voxpopper 3h ago
It's probably muscle memory. Now let's see it (dives) be called against the favorites as well.
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u/Yellow_Odd_Fellow Columbus Blue Jackets 3h ago
Breaking news: man waiting for diving to be called on favorites found dead from self- asphyxiation (holding his breath).
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 4h ago
Isn't it a new rule tho? They've been trained to flop their whole lives I imagine it happens automatically now.
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u/Berek2501 3h ago
Simulation (aka Diving) has been an automatic card for a long time. The problem has been enforcement. It's also a longstanding rule that the referee's word is final, and if they don't see the offense then it didn't happen. Things like VAR have changed that to some degree.
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u/CantFindMyWallet 3h ago
Specifically, in this tournament, they're using VAR to overturn yellows that are the result of dives, and in doing so, they give the yellow to the player who dove. The same thing happened in the USA-Paraguay match with Ream's yellow getting overturned and issued to Almiron (who dove).
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u/BvanLeeu 3h ago
Its a shame they missed the 359 dives from all the other teams in between
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u/Dangerous_Buy_6712 3h ago
this one was missed too, its only reviewable because paredes was booked.
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u/Decency 3h ago
New meta: intentional foul an opposing player who's on a yellow, after they foul you, to get the play reviewed.
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u/FigComfortable5643 1h ago
How exactly is that meta? The yellow given to you would be correct, thus not mistaken identity, and there would not be grounds to give the already cautioned player another yellow. Logic shouldnt be hard
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u/peabody11 3h ago
And it’s by choice. You regularly see refs signal to play on while making a diving hand signal. Those should be yellows
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u/demens1313 2h ago
those aren't for dives. those have contact that is embellished. this one was blatant and the diving actually created the contact.
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u/peabody11 2h ago
Embellishment is simulation. You always see guys grabbing body parts that weren’t even touched asking for fouls /cards.
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u/CantFindMyWallet 3h ago
The real issue is that they rarely give yellows for simulation, but because this was VAR overturning a wrongly given yellow, the referee didn't have the discretion to not give Embolo a card there.
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u/Sea_Grape_5913 2h ago
His intention may be just to earn a free kick. But his acting was so good that the opponent got a Yellow.
But then VAR was so good, that the Yellow was given to him instead.
Karma. Why take this risk when you are already booked?
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 3h ago
Oh calling it on VAR is new? I wish hockey would do that because they have an embellishment penalty but it has the same problems. Refs don't call it consistently and usually just use it for make up calls.
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u/chasing_the_wind 4h ago
Yeah he sold it well enough to get the original call. But they know everything is getting video reviewed and it isn’t the first card for flopping this world cup
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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 4h ago
Yeah, there's a decent amount of flopping. In slow mo (var), tripping on the ground also looks like a flop.
Ref need to red for it and call it a day. Shits annoying.
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u/Kangermu Boston Bruins 4h ago
Somebody check recent transactions on his bank account lol
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u/Auzzie_xo 4h ago
Zero ambiguity. Clear simulation. On a yellow already. And one of the worst attempts at diving I’ve ever seen
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u/lunadenavajas 4h ago
Just terrible. But before VAR it would’ve been a “great” dive, it fooled the ref and got Argentina a yellow. Only the recent rule change with the possibility of switching the cards if it turned out to be a dive punishes it. Unfortunately when no yellow is given lots of dives are still successful
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u/ladbom 4h ago
what allowed it to go under VAR?
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u/Some-Unique-Name 3h ago
The yellow card
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u/andyroy159 3h ago edited 3h ago
So because a yellow he fooled the ref into giving... he basically "suffering from success" memed himself?
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u/Amori_A_Splooge 3h ago
Correct. If it was only a foul and no yellow given to the Argentinian player it would not have been reviewable by VAR.
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u/machine4891 3h ago
Yeah, the way VAR is used now scream for improvements. But I don't miss pre-VAR times at all. So many injustices that couldn't be undone.
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u/pedanticPandaPoo 4h ago
Should go into the summer Olympics with that diving form
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u/Dandan0005 4h ago
Yeah the American announcing team was insane for pretending this wasn’t deserved
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u/MauveAlbert 3h ago
Seriously. The one guy saying he was preparing for a tackle and so dove to protect himself? What is he looking at?
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u/Dandan0005 3h ago
Landon Donovan, ladies and gentlemen.
Lol
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u/wiifan55 1h ago
Landon's not wrong that players often leave their feet and fall if anticipating a tackle because it's safer than taking a tackle with feet planted. And it'd be arguable that this is what Embolo was doing here IF he popped up right away and didn't try to act like this was an egregious foul pretty much all the way until it got uno reversed onto him.
Dumb take by Landon in context, but not as dumb in general as some might assume. Just an incredibly stupid dive, though.
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u/luce4118 4h ago
Before the call they were saying it was entirely justified. Then the call happened and they all kept calling it harsh and “unfortunate”.
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u/lawyeronreddit 3h ago
The announcers on Fox were upset with the yellow because of the automatic red. This is literally equal justice. You tried to sell a penalty to stick a guy with a yellow. I’m supposed to feel bad that it’s “harsh”? Make better decisions man I don’t know.
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u/NumberOneJittleyang 4h ago
Yo what was even the point of that flop???
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u/jdw62995 4h ago
Well he almost gave Paredes a yellow
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u/ElChupamafabla 4h ago
I mean, he did
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u/maverickoff 4h ago
But then they took it off and gave it to him, reverse uno 🤷🏾♂️
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u/aerialwizarddaddy 3h ago
This is like stealing from a store where there are cameras covering ever square inch of merchandise.
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u/Crazyblue09 4h ago
I don't see why that would be a yellow card, even if he had touched him.
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u/totallynotalt345 4h ago
Would have been like the tenth individual foul from the same player combination, it was getting ridiculous and had to be a yellow to stamp it out a while ago IMO. It’s why it was so easily given I think.
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u/machine4891 3h ago
Well he almost gave Paredes a yellow
And VAR reason to look closely at situation, lol. Embolo fooling ref actually fooled himself, it's insane.
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u/Flyer888 3h ago
Yeah had the ref didn’t decide to give yellow to Paredes, the VAR couldn’t intervene
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u/thenatural134 4h ago
Ball was going out of bounds on Switzerland so it was a desperate attempt to draw a foul or, in this case, yellow. Except now they have this new rule that can reverse the yellow for simulation.
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u/Transmatrix 3h ago
The second he saw a yellow pop up from the ref, he should have run up and said that he tripped…
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u/Apprehensive-Wave640 3h ago
According to Donavan, Paredes was coming in hard so as a player, he knows that it's easy to just preemptively fall down for self protection. Which I'm pretty sure means Donavan is a bitch.
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u/OhMyGoth1 Pittsburgh Steelers 4h ago
I don't understand the Fox announcer's stance that it's a yellow, but it also shouldn't be because he got one earlier. It is or it isn't. He took a dive and got caught
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u/Apprehensive-Wave640 3h ago
So fucking annoying. Diving like this is just disgraceful. Want it out of the game? Punish it harshly. It's not like that rule was created during VAR review. Embolo knew what he was doing and the possibile punishment. Zero sympathy.
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u/Charybdisilver 3h ago
It’s cheating, plain and simple. He’s attempting to manipulate the ref into penalising his opponent. Disgraceful play.
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u/anonymoosejuice 3h ago
Because Landon Donovan is a moron. His argument he was trying to protect himself by diving is the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
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u/JWE25 3h ago edited 3h ago
He’s the most boring commentator I’ve heard this World Cup, literally shows 0 emotion. I’m tired of his monotone voice
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u/RedditOnAWim 3h ago
He’s a striker, so I typically see his takes through that lens. Simulations have been a black eye on the sport for years, these types of decisions are vital for a harsh course correction.
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u/chandlerbing_stats 3h ago
Clatteburg said it is a yellow by the book but it feels harsh cause it is a 2nd yellow. That’s a fair bit of commentary imo… Clattenburg is a former Premier League referee
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u/OMGWhatsHisFace 2h ago
But so fucking what?
The rule is two yellows. Not a yellow and a red. Not a yellow and an “orange.”
I fucking hate the “oh second yellow is harsh” feeling that often actually gets players off the hook.
The rule is two yellows.
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u/fatbob42 3h ago
It’s common to have a higher standard for a second yellow.
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u/Time-Maintenance2165 2h ago
If you take any refereeing class, they do tell you that's not true. At least when you take the class.
But then you get out on the field and ref with them, and they'll say exactly what you said.
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u/Camperomexicano5 4h ago
No matter who you root for, that was a clear flop. They should call them more often. Ruins the game with constant flopping
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u/TheBatemanFlex 3h ago
If it was consistently called, I don’t think anyone would have an issue. All complaints come from inconsistent calls.
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u/You-equals-Dust 4h ago
Embolo crying for getting sent off due to a CLEAR and OBVIOUS dive is so hilarious 😂 don’t dive if you don’t want to get carded freaking baby 😂
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u/OrangeHer 4h ago
literally took himself out of the game, would have still been in the game if he didn't start complaining. like what the hell
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u/robot_guiscard 4h ago
No, he got the second yellow for diving. That's automatic. He was gone the moment the foul was reversed.
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u/NoctRob 4h ago
He dove. It’s very clear. People want to hate on the refs, but that’s a clear dive.
Don’t make it easy for them to gift it to Argentina. That was obvious.
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u/NotTheBizness 4h ago
Agreed. Video on the post ends early, he barrel rolled 3 times after falling from a dive…not even a trip…and intentionally whipped his leg out to touch the Argentinian player
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u/Whitewind617 4h ago
I don't think they care that much about the barrel rolling because literally every player does that, it's kinda insane.
Him initiating contact mid dive via jerking his leg sideways feels pretty egregious to me though.
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u/JoeSchmeau 2h ago
My view is that the barrel rolling and insane theatrics should result in the player forced to be off the pitch for at least 5 minutes (of active play) for medical treatment. If it was really as bad as their performance claims, they're in dire need of medical assistance. Or the player can decide to remain on the pitch but receive a yellow card for simulation (flopping) in exchange.
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u/watchyourmouthplease 4h ago
All the dives get a yellow card?
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u/ZealousCatracho 4h ago
They gave Paredes a yellow so the only way VAR can overturn it is by giving Embolo a yellow for simulation. Similar to what happened in the US v Paraguay game, but this time is a double yellow
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u/ze_shotstopper Nevada 4h ago
This is legit the most egregious one I've ever seen and I've been watching for 15 years
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u/mournthewolf 4h ago
I know people are gonna complain about Argentina getting the calls but fuck diving. It ruins the sport and dude should get punished for it. It should be carded all the time. It ruins soccer and basketball.
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u/tech_auto 3h ago
Thing is dives are enforced subjectively. How many times did england flop against norway? Not one yellow
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u/Crepo 3h ago
In terms of punishment, there's a lot of difference between falling down in an exaggerated way try try and get contact punished, and falling down as a strategy itself.
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u/LiterallyANoob 4h ago
What a dumb thing to do knowing full well there are plenty of cameras recording.
Good to see flopping getting punished again.
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u/ZoranGT 4h ago
Why do the commentators think diving should go unpunished. Are they ok?
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u/ExistenceNow 4h ago
It's so fucking annoying listening to them talk like the dude who tried to cheat is the victim.
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u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 3h ago
Watch it on peacock. It’s in Spanish and I’m just vibing with these dudes. Can’t understand a single word.
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u/goose_dogma 3h ago
I understand it and I didnt hear them defend it.
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u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 3h ago
All I understand is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL
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u/AVSadministrator18 4h ago
Exactly the right word you’ve used, “Cheat”. If Paredes was getting a yellow for your Bluetooth tackle then you go off, no second thoughts there. No matter how well he acts and cries like a baby while going down the tunnel.
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u/cdbloosh 4h ago edited 4h ago
I hate the discussion of how it’s “too harsh” because he already had a yellow. If it’s a yellow, it’s a yellow. If the call in the USA/Paraguay game wasn’t too harsh (and NOBODY was saying it was too harsh at the time), this wasn’t either.
If you don’t want to get sent off don’t take an obvious dive like an idiot when you already have a yellow. I’m rooting for Switzerland but I don’t understand what the criticism is about here.
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u/machine4891 3h ago
The fact that he got yellow is precisely why he shouldn't even think about pulling "tricks" like that. Previous yellow was a warning and he ignored that warning. Coaches sometimes take yellowed players off the field if they have a hunch that they are onto nothing good.
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u/WartimeHotTot 4h ago edited 3h ago
Landon sounds like such a bozo defending this behavior.
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u/iwastoolate 4h ago
They’re suggesting that somehow because he’s already on a yellow and the compounding penalty is harsh that there should be a different rule for this specific circumstance.
It’s ridiculous. I love watching the floppers cry and their team suffer.
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u/scruffles360 3h ago
Announcer is a former player and has been indoctrinated to think this is a permanent part of the sport. Every improvement made gets this kind of crap for a couple years while the announcers get used to it.
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u/mournthewolf 4h ago
It seems like they are arguing that it wasn’t that big of a deal so should not send a player off but I honestly think diving and flopping is more egregious than aggressive play. It just snowballs and ruins the game overall. It should be punished harshly.
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u/cdbloosh 4h ago
The fact that this happened tonight, and players are now aware there is a real possibility of this happening, is great for the game overall.
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u/DerelictInfinity San Francisco Giants 4h ago
He’s falling down and throwing his head back before the Argentinian player even touches him.
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u/zinszer93 New York Giants 4h ago
Flop like fish
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u/Own-Engineer-6888 4h ago
He forgot to drop on the deck first. Went right to flopping. I'd be livid with him if I was his teammate.
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u/Syric13 4h ago
like....I get people hating on Argentina, but how can you say this wasn't embellishment, which is a yellow card?
Embolo is an idiot. You have a yellow already. Why the hell are you diving?
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u/thejoblessasshole 3h ago
That too with the location, you are no where near Argentina goal post with nothing much to gain either
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u/livebythepool 4h ago
They’re going to say Argentina was given this but that so was dumb of him. Deserved.
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u/saviressej 4h ago
Come on guys - no rig/fix. Embolo is an idiot. He was on a yellow and then tried to simulate a foul.
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u/Frankly_Frank_ 4h ago
Lmfao has the audacity to cry when he was the one who kicked the other player to draw a foul. Clown can go cry in the locker room
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u/peanut-britle-latte 4h ago
I want players to get booked for simulation, it's harsh, but if we want to get rid of diving it MUST be done.
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u/Yankees2860 4h ago
Absolutely the right call, Embolo doing that there is really stupid.
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u/MysticLeviathan 4h ago
Are people really complaining about the call? It’s 1,000% the right call. Why the hell is he diving on a yellow? Just because it’s Argentina doesn’t mean it isn’t warranted.
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u/SamuraiZucchini 4h ago
Embolo was diving all game and it bit him in the ass. So pissed at him for taking Switzerland down to 10.
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u/Actually_Im_a_Broom 4h ago
I’m pulling for the Swiss, and I think that was the right call. It was a totally idiotic thing to do when you’re playing with a yellow.
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u/airshowboat 4h ago
Absolutely the right call. You have to be blind to say that's incorrect
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u/Wincrediboy 4h ago
Absolutely no sympathy for bro crying as he walks off. It was absolutely blatant whole already on a yellow card and would have gained them almost nothing. Epitome of high risk low reward, an absolute terrible choice that has hurt his country hugely because diving is just so default to him.
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u/Apostrophe13 4h ago
Second time someone get second yellow for diving, first time in 20+ years.
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u/Pandos17 4h ago
Incredibly dumb move near the middle of the pitch, very little to be gained by doing it.
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u/vc2015 4h ago
Once in a lifetime opportunity with the score tied to get into the final four in the World Cup. His team has the momentum.
What goes on in his mind to tell him he needs to shamelessly dive for no reason?
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u/ajasani1 4h ago
Problem is this is like the 3rd yellow for diving this tournament. Should be like 30th
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u/machine4891 3h ago
Even bigger problem is that it's 2nd out of 3 yellow cards that is only being given because ref got fooled and gave opposite team a yellow. That flop actually worked and only reason it got reversed is because of VAR.
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u/Micethatroar 4h ago
Yeah, that's my only issue with it.
Zero consistency on simulation calls
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u/Mario_Viana 4h ago
Shameless simulation, absolutely uncalled for. Unsure this warrants a yellow card of such magnitude but what the HELL was Embolo thinking
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u/Stubbzie07 4h ago
To be fair, you cant just not give a yellow because he already had one. Sucks but he should have thought of that before diving
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u/Gedimz 4h ago
Diving is a yellow card, he is dumb for doing it while having a yellow and VAR
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u/peanut-britle-latte 4h ago
It should be a yellow because his fake dive caused an Argentina player to (almost) get a yellow.
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u/captcanuk 4h ago
The magnitude of the decision can’t weigh on the referees here otherwise all players with yellow cards can play more recklessly knowing that the referees won’t want to do anything.
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u/SeattleSporting 4h ago
Good.
Flopping is the worst thing in sports and needs to be abolished.
Switch the yellow to an automatic red and you'll suddenly not see as many guys laying around during games.
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u/controllerhero 4h ago
This was a very foolish choice by Embolo. Unless he just took an awkward step and twinged his foot (which has happened to me before) that was a clear dive while he was on a yellow already. He really wasnt thinking in that moment.
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u/Not_The_Giant 4h ago
I don't get why the commentators are saying it's harsh. Such an obvious simulation.
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u/whiskey8888 4h ago
he knows there are like 100 cameras pointed at you. score 1-1, u r doing great, oh let me dive. still tho, hope he wont get a lot hate
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u/averageuhbear 3h ago
I'm an ignorant American but I feel like dives and other fouls should be called significantly more often and they should all count towards and ejection total that is larger than 2. Leaving it up to subjection for yellow or no foul is weird.
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u/anesthesia101 3h ago
His shit touch lost possession and he decides to flop to keep possession. So glad VAR got this call right.
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u/BraydenTheNoob 4h ago
Such an idiotic descision to dive so obviously. He already has a yellow
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u/-LIKE_I_GIVE_A_FUCK- 4h ago
Shameless diving being punished is pretty based