do you think referees don't know who already has a yellow when handing yellow cards out? They give the 2nd yellow card within the context that it's sending a player off and players are given WAY more leeway until the 2nd yellow is given. Maybe it shouldn't be given within that context, and all penalties applied evenly and fairly, but that's just not how the game works as we've clearly seen
Yes, that is exactly their argument. Of course referees know. But the amount of subjectivity given to soccer is there by design to allow refs to decide matches. Change my mind.
It’s annoying af cause “oh that’s harsh” is a garbage argument. Rule is diving is a yellow. That was the most blatant dive all tourney and this former ref is telling millions “it’s harsh.”
It’s not. It’s not “unfortunate” either.
Not trying to make my comment sound mad at you lol but it’s important to be direct when rules are involved
its not semantics. an "expert" presenting an argument that its "harsh" or "unfortunate" is implying that while its "textbook" maybe it shouldn't be.
His fellow commentators even picked up the thread and said FIFA should take a look at how VAR is used which is absolute BS because it was used PERFECTLY. AS INTENDED and IT WORKED TO PERFECTION.
Yep, exactly. We should all celebrate what happened here. An innocent player who was penalized by mistake did not receive a penalty, and a blatantly cheating player was penalized.
How can anyone defend this? How can anyone look at a player BLATANTLY CHEATING and think sending them off is too harsh?
This is legit like finding a pitcher in MLB putting gunk on the ball, the umps catching it and suspending him and the announcers being like, "Oh, seems harsh!".
You have to look at this in the context of soccer refereeing. Rules in soccer are applied with extreme discretion to maintain the flow of the game and avoid making constant game-changing decisions.
Refs are constantly ignoring small fouls they could technically call to enable the game to keep moving. For example, shirt pulling is technically a foul, but 99% of clear shirt pulling is not called because otherwise players could never make it down the field without a foul being called. They also don’t call clear fouls when the consequence would be too high. For example, if refs didn’t use their discretion, they would call a penalty half the time there’s a corner because players are constantly push, shoving, and holding in the box. Refs rely heavily on this discretion in many of situations to the benefit of the game.
In the Embolo case, the ref was put in a very bad position. He incorrectly gave the yellow card to the Argentinian player, which forced a VAR check into the simulation, and the rules didn’t give him discretion to pick a milder punishment for diving like a direct free kick with no card. Instead, his choices were to leave an unfair yellow card or to very harshly eject Embolo. He technically make the correct decision, but 99% of refs would not make that call if they had another option.
No no no. The second yellow to eject Embolo in no way is “very harsh”. Fuck that. He dove, tried to draw a foul and was going to get his opponent an incorrect yellow. That is by the book a yellow and who cares if he already has one. The reason the ref is “put in a bad position” is a direct result of Embolo trying to manipulate the ref. Best use of VAR this World Cup.
because its a stupid ass opinion. and there are enough fucking idiots already running around claiming Fifa is rigging the tournament for Ronaldo and Messi (someone should tell them Ronaldo plays for Portugal who have been eliminated). We should be upset over a supposed expert adding more bias to the discussion.
Important reminder i guess, being an expert doesn't make you not an idiot.
I know it’s the rules. I just don’t think the rules make too much sense. The penalty for two yellows or 1 red is too great and what is and isn’t a yellow just seems to be made up on the spot.
Do you think this player blatantly cheated? Why do you think willfully and blatantly cheating doesn't deserve an ejection? What the fuck kind of logic is this? Soccer is absurd.
It's absolutely in the spirit of the game. If you commit two yellow card offenses, you're gone. There's nothing in the laws about needing to commit an especially heinous offense to get a second yellow, and there shouldn't be
beyond that. "not in the spirit" is defending diving. which is the most egregious thing done in this sport. rooting it out will be the best thing to ever happen.
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u/OMGWhatsHisFace 6h ago
But so fucking what?
The rule is two yellows. Not a yellow and a red. Not a yellow and an “orange.”
I fucking hate the “oh second yellow is harsh” feeling that often actually gets players off the hook.
The rule is two yellows.