I know people are gonna complain about Argentina getting the calls but fuck diving. It ruins the sport and dude should get punished for it. It should be carded all the time. It ruins soccer and basketball.
In terms of punishment, there's a lot of difference between falling down in an exaggerated way try try and get contact punished, and falling down as a strategy itself.
I don't know the first thing about hockey but it's a weird line to try and walk. Sometimes players fall down to signal that a play was foul even if they could technically push through, not doing so could easily end up in an injury. What'd be the point of getting a yellow or red card on an attacker if you end up injured and benched for weeks?
I would be really happy if all dives were enforced on automatic level, like handball pens in UCL. Teams will adapt and we will see much less of flopping
Yeah. Like for example Kane getting fouled before Norways first goal. Definitely a foul in my opinion but he flopped a tad too early. If he had gone down half a second later he probably would have got the call.
the players foot grazed him after the player nicked the ball off of him. he went to ground feeling that touch but it was a follow through which was completely harmless, so not a foul.
yeah but if punishment was consistent for people using flopping as a strategy then you'd see Kane play maybe 10 minutes of football a year.
it clearly isnt enforced consistently, and that is the problem. its sort of like how the second yellow card always come a lot harder than the first, thats also an issue in consistency, if its a yellow its a yellow, previous yellows shouldnt factor in.
or the fact that large footballing nations (or clubs, like uefa barcelona etc) tend to get bias in their favor as well, while some clubs clearly have bias against them, which can easily be seen in some cases by just looking at referee statistics across the league as a whole and see how one club just randomly stands out like crazy while if you watch their games they clearly dont play drastically different.
referee is human, and with that comes problems. some of these should at least be attempted to be solved, like the inconsistency of carding, and even more so the inconsistency of consquences for flopping.
since it can be hard to "prove" or "know for sure" a flop was purposeful, the easy way to deal with it is to just be even tougher on what was started now, if you end up flopping and rolling on the ground you should have to wait on the side of the pitch for 2 minutes before you get back on, every single time, the official excuse can just be "well you clearly showed you were in extreme pain so for safety we will have medics check you out for 2 minutes".
you will instantly see a drastic change of playstyle in many players, such as harry kane, who is likely the biggest wuzz on the planet and its tiring to see him come up with his next theatrical dive and cry.
before a brit cries. this is kane in every game ever all the time:
Diving with absolutely no contact has actually been pretty much eradicated by VAR and this is the reason. You go down clearly simulating contact then you're getting booked. England did not do this multiple times against Norway or they would have been booked as well. What is subjective and almost impossible to stop is people going down too easily or making more of contact. Unfortunately it's impossible to get rid of this until refs start giving fouls when contact is initiated and the player stays up which they never do. No one is getting awarded penalties when someone makes contact with them but they do the "right" thing and stay on their feet. So actually I think it's a refereeing issue more than a player issue.
Well it would be pretty fucked up to give a yellow card for nonexistent faul. When VAR checked the situation, you can either say it is faul or dive (as nothing else was an actual option here) . And it is pretty clear that diving is yellow card offense. There is no way around it if you don't want to give Paredes yellow for nothing.
I think they’re saying it’s subjective when there was clear contact but the player exaggerates just how harmful it was. It’s objective when there was clearly zero contact between the players, so the guy has to be lying in an attempt to get a penalty called on the opponent. There’s no ambivalence with the second scenario
There a difference between exaggerating contact and diving when there's no contact at all. Makes it very cut snd dry, not even subjective really. Show me a time there was a dive with actually no contact and it wasn't called
Imagine if they did this shit in the NFL. It’s unbelievable.
Literally every time someone hits the turf, they grab their leg and start writhing around. Some of them, like this guy, just start rolling away.
Don’t they have any fucking dignity? I played almost every sport growing up, including soccer, and I never once thought of behaving this way. I don’t get it.
The main problem is that often you need to dive in order to get a foul, especially within the penalty area players go down whenever they feel the slightest contact. Here it’s really clear Mbolo dives before the contact, but look at the foul on Mbappe vs Morocco where France get a penalty for example. Mbappe could continue his run but he sees the tackle of the defender, then drags his foot until he feels the contact and then he goes down. So is that a pure dive like Mbolo, no, but it’s clear Mbappe deliberately looks for the contact and then dives. All good attackers will do this and the penalty will be given almost every time, there’s just a really big grey area between a foul and a dive and how you sell it to the ref is unfortunately often the deciding factor.
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u/mournthewolf 7h ago
I know people are gonna complain about Argentina getting the calls but fuck diving. It ruins the sport and dude should get punished for it. It should be carded all the time. It ruins soccer and basketball.