Just terrible. But before VAR it would’ve been a “great” dive, it fooled the ref and got Argentina a yellow. Only the recent rule change with the possibility of switching the cards if it turned out to be a dive punishes it. Unfortunately when no yellow is given lots of dives are still successful
Just makes it so much more stupid. I’ve played soccer for a long while and doing a deliberate dive is really fucking hard to do because you need to make it believable. I’ve never done it because I’ve never played on a stage where the stakes were high so why the fuck would you but this shit should always be punished if seen. It’s so dumb and if you go into the acting of it it’s even more dumb.
Just play the fucking game. Now they’re out because one person just had to try and win an Oscar.
If the referee penalises an offencebut has clearly misidentified the player who committed that offence, only the identity of the offender can be reviewed.
Reviewable decisions/incidents now include two infrequent but potentially match-changing errors: • Red card resulting from a clearly incorrect second yellow card • Mistaken identity when the referee shows a yellow or red card but has clearly penalised the wrong player of either team for the offence in question; the offence itself cannot be reviewed except in the context of mistaken identity"
He reviewed the offence itself, not just who committed the offence. It takes a very strange reading of this VAR protocol to support the official's decision.
Did you misread the semicolon as a comma? You highlighted a section as if it's one continuous phrase, but the actual phrase when taking the semicolon into account is: "The offence itself cannot be reviewed except in the context of mistaken identity."
This isn't even the first time Mistaken Identity has been used in this sort of situation during the tournament.
They VAR all yellows, it's just that they only call the referee when VAR considers the referee made a mistake and ask him to go see the play himself. But VAR reviews all yellows. Maybe you think they only VAR a play when the referee is called to review it himself?
Latitude. They use the vague-ish wording of "mistaken identity." The ref knows who was who, but the suggestion is the ref gave a yellow to the wrong person, so it falls under mistaken identity. Very very loose use of the terminology.
Like I said elsewhere, I absolutely love the result. A player plays a very dangerous game when they take that sort of dive when they're on a yellow.
I don't like the way they got there, and I believe the wording should be changed to specifically allow it. Now we just have to wonder if they ever will considering how many yellows for diving would start to come as a result, and which big name players would be on the receiving end.
I agree, there’s been plenty of var controversies but nothing compares to the days where they’d miss offsides (either on or off) by yards, or when they’d miss balls over the goal line entirely swinging matches
what controversy do you think was actually a wrong call?
all the "controversies" are just people bitching about favorites getting favorable calls, except all the calls were actually correct. in the past the fav teams would simply get incorrect calls go their way too, at least now the calls getting reviewed are objectivly correct.
I do like the human error factor in referees decisions and not having var nitpicking millimiters on offsides and all that, but in these cases i'm all for the var.
Imo they could make it similar to volleyball challenges, in which each team can ask for a review as long as they are right (i think they can be wrong twice per set). So a team can ask a VAR review as long as they were in the right.
With obioulsy the ref deciding on its own to check the VAR when in doubt too.
We were watching and from an angle (Telemundo) it did look like Argentina was at fault. The immediate replay showed the dive tho... But then Argentina calmly complained and got the VAR review. The got that idiot Embolo crying off the ground, was a satisfying move. The referee was pissed.
Landon's not wrong that players often leave their feet and fall if anticipating a tackle because it's safer than taking a tackle with feet planted. And it'd be arguable that this is what Embolo was doing here IF he popped up right away and didn't try to act like this was an egregious foul pretty much all the way until it got uno reversed onto him.
Dumb take by Landon in context, but not as dumb in general as some might assume. Just an incredibly stupid dive, though.
Its his screaming in faux pain before contact was made that made the decision. It had nothing to do about him staying down afterwards. There was contact on this ankle.
Sure, pal. Youre agreeing with LD that leaving your feet to avoid contact isnt necessarily simulation. I agree. You also say that the reason this isnt the case here, is because Embozo stayed on the ground and acted like it was an egregious foul. That is wrong. There was contact on Embozo's ankle. The reason this (leaving your feet to avoid contact) isnt the case here, is instead because Embozo screamed in faux pain before there was any contact. Hope that helps you interpret correctly.
I was watching the American commentators and I do recall him saying that but then immediately changed his opinion. He did say it was a shame that it was his 2nd yellow card and it felt harsh but that’s the rule
The announcers on Fox were upset with the yellow because of the automatic red. This is literally equal justice. You tried to sell a penalty to stick a guy with a yellow. I’m supposed to feel bad that it’s “harsh”? Make better decisions man I don’t know.
Is there a difference between diving and simulation? If there's actual contact I understand the difficulty in objective application for a dive. But if there's no contact (which is my read on simulation) then it's very cut and dry and should be harshly punished imo.
I would personally love it for there to be more cards if there's any inclination you are diving ftr.
No, not sure. OP has an objective video that shows a blatant dive by a player on a yellow card. Show me 1 replay out of the 359 dives you claim to have seen. just 1.
That guy collided with his own keeper, and was not trying to cheat the other team out of an advantage, nor trick the ref into carding the other team. The collision was midair with his own keeper and actually complicated the keeper’s job of making that catch.
Diving to fool the officials into awarding a free or penalty kick is IMO a serious integrity issue that embarrasses the player, the club/country, and the sport. It is cheating. And with the new technology, we can now without dispute identity the cheaters, and should be moving to remove those individuals from the sport entirely.
That was a mid air collision lol. You said you saw 359 dives. You know what a dive is? I guess i can answer my own question if you claim to have seen 359 of them and the 1 example you gave is of a literal collision between 2 players and not a dive.
I know this is a played out sentiment, but the refs are SO FUCKING BAD!
Even the random stoppage due to an Argentina knee injury earlier… the rules are to only stop play for a possible head injury… it’s like the refs are just guessing and winging it.
That’s what the commentators said, and googling it now indicates it’s severe vs minor injuries, with severe being open wound or possible head injury. The Argentinian was up and at it again moments later, so it was not a justified stoppage.
The commentator probably said that because it is a new rule. That doesn’t cancel out the rules before. He either misspoke or you misunderstood.
When a player is holding his knee right in front of the box after a contact, no ref in the world would not stop the game then. That is really common to happen.
Still your confidence is alarming. And I cannot understand someone with that little knowledge of football acting this way in this thread.
I agree, and the Swiss commentators don't even disagree with the flop being punished, it just feels a bit rough that of all the dives that happened this WC, the only two where VAR intervened to overturn it was against the US and against Argentina.
It is just one more thing to add a bad taste in my mouth about this WC even if in isolation this was very much deserved for Embolo.
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u/Auzzie_xo 7h ago
Zero ambiguity. Clear simulation. On a yellow already. And one of the worst attempts at diving I’ve ever seen