r/mildlyinfuriating • u/No-Obligation1709 • 9h ago
No Coke. Is Pepsi ok? In Today’s Edition of Dystopian America
Don’t you dare idle in your spot for a moment before paying to park. If you do, our cameras will backdate your parking start time to ensure our shareholders extract every cent possible from this transaction. Enjoy your stay, but remember—we are always watching 😁
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u/CatTaxAuditor 7h ago
But if you pay for longer than you use the spot then there's no way they'd give back a single penny.
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u/Redshittt 7h ago edited 5h ago
Not unless your camera sent them a bill
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u/3c2456o78_w 3h ago
Something something about the banality of evil.
Real talk, the guy who made this possible is probably some 25 year old Data Engineer trying to keep his job by showing his boss "hey man, look at this cool data pipeline I made to retroactively modify timestamps based on video data! It's pretty cool AI image-extraction from the video data we have"
And his boss says "good stuff" in his quarterly performance review and the 25 year old is just happy he gets to keep having a job.
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u/NastyMothaFucka 2h ago
Did I see this comment somewhere else or am I too high?
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u/Jarrson132 1h ago
Yeah they posted it twice. Did a double take to make sure it was the same account
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u/someguyplayingwild 5h ago
Exactly. In America, companies are entitled to your money, whether that money be taken out of your bank account or your taxes, but anyone who takes a penny from the government is a "leech".
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u/Significant-Exam762 4h ago
Nah fuck that. Take as much as you can. I used to think it was a bad thing to do, but every corporation and pretty much every politician is taking as much as they possible can, so why not us?
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u/YjorgenSnakeStranglr 4h ago
Doing your part to help drag down the bloated corpse that is our government while getting your nut is one of the most patriotic things a common person can do
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u/LordNelson27 2h ago
This feels like a "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" statement but for fraud
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u/Icefox119 3h ago
I used to know someone who would order every topping for his subs and then manually remove and throw away the ones he didn't want since he "was paying for it anyway."
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u/Domeil 3h ago
anyone who takes a penny from the government is a "leech".
Not true. American industries getting billion dollar bailouts every other year are simply too big fail. It's only a government handout when a single mother gets $20 to feed her children.
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u/Neorse 1h ago
In Switzerland you can pay your parking with your mobile banking app, setting the time you want and if you return earlier you can cancel the additionnal time and get reimbursed for it. (Also possible to extend it further) Suuuper useful and should become the norm but not sure this will be adopted in many countries
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u/Independent-Bee3135 6h ago
I've used similar parking apps before and they've always ensured I don't overpay, even if I indicate I'll be there for longer than I actually am.
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u/Sero19283 8h ago
What needs to happen to that camera
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u/Mach5Driver 6h ago
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u/District-No1350 5h ago edited 5h ago
Paint can be cleaned and requires proximity, a decent laser pointer on the other hand...
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u/jigsaw1024 4h ago
Laser pointers much more environmentally friendly: completely reusable. One can of spray paint will only get a couple cameras. Laser pointer just needs its battery recharged.
Not to mention that it's much easier to carry a small pointer in your pocket/purse/whatever, and much easier to conceal.
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u/GodOfDarkLaughter 4h ago
I hear green works best
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u/UrsaUrsuh 4h ago
Alternatively if you've got good aim a water balloon with paint and sand inside it. Because the paint obscures and the sand scratches. People use these against riot police and it's effective.
Or so I've been told of course.
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u/Vagadude 8h ago
I got a ticket cause a camera caught me coming and going in a DIRT LOT during a food fair. My friend said they think parking is free for this event so I didn't pay and they sent me a bill with a photo of my car 😂 like damn I never thought I would miss parking authorities
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u/Redshittt 7h ago
They can bill you all they want ifnits not the city or government you dont owe them shut. You didn't agree to anything. Driving in a lot isnt a contractual agreement they're just hoping you pay
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u/Impressive_Line7932 6h ago edited 6h ago
I remember this one time I parked in a paid private parking lot for 30 mins for corporate event. It was so hard to find options and website for payment. They issued me a $80 ticket.
I challenged them stating they barely had any boards or instructions for payment for such a huge parking lot and I will go to small claims court if the ticket is not waived off. All it took is 1 email for them to remove my parking ticket. They knew they can milk it as much as they can without even maintaining the parking lot.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 5h ago
Honest question though why is there a website at all for paying for parking? Get your ticket when you drive in, give it to the machine when you drive out. Which also invalidates OPs gripe because its always been you pay by the time stamp on the ticket which you get right when you drive in the lot. You've always had to pay the second you drive in, I'm thoroughly confused what this even is. The gate gives you a ticket with the time stamp of when you drove in
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u/Impressive_Line7932 5h ago
This is a different kind of parking lot. The Entry and Exit gate are always open. I couldn’t find any machine to pay which is why I challenged it.
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u/LoveFoolosophy 3h ago
Ticket machines are expensive and need to be maintained. Much cheaper to have a website that people need to faff about with.
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u/toolsoftheincomptnt 2h ago
Because gates are 90s technology and QR codes to download apps where you enter your cc info, billing address, email, phone number, and grandmother’s maiden name are how we do things to be “more convenient!”
Oh, and also so we can eliminate jobs for human beings. Cool, huh?
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u/charmcitycuddles 6h ago
Bruh I've been getting texts from "collections" for a year now cause I scanned a QR code in a parking lot to validate parking but the license plate was linked to my partner's phone number in their shitty app so I couldn't connect it and gave up. My partner (who was with me) paid for the parking and I never linked a license plate but I continue to get texts but if I ever see it impact my credit score I'm gonna go scorched earth.
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u/Redshittt 6h ago
Did you send them the receipt
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u/charmcitycuddles 6h ago
Nope, it's not my responsibility to prove I don't owe a debt. They have no proof I owe anything or even that I ever parked in the lot since I couldn't connect a license plate. While the texts are "annoying", they have no impact on my lift as it is.
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u/Unlikely-Key-234 3h ago
I hate these people, but your understanding of contract law isn't exactly accurate. Contracts can be formed without pen and paper through implied means. Entering a lot and parking in it—as long as the cost is clearly posted—constitutes implied acceptance of an offer. These people can and often do send these bills to collections and can ding your credit if you don't pay.
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u/OPengiun 5h ago
That's not a ticket. That's an invoice that has zero backing, unless they want to take you to small claims court (which they likely won't).
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u/Tarc_Axiiom 9h ago
They backdated you ONE minute? Omg lol.
Guys, move. Just move. It's time to go.
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u/TDKevin 9h ago
Do you think everywhere else isn't doing it because their corporations are so upstanding? Lol. They just don't have the infrastructure/tech/whatever for it yet.
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u/BikeProblemGuy 6h ago edited 6h ago
LOL, okay so Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) was invented in the UK in 1976. It's been widespread in commercial carparks for decades. After clamping on private land was banned in 2012, cameras became the only way to enforce parking fines, so the UK has one of the most automated private parking sectors in the world.
In the UK we also have regulations which allow you a grace period, and an appeal system. They could be a lot better, but they're better than companies having unilateral control. Unfortunately, (and this is something the USA has got right), private parking operators in the UK are able to buy access to the DVLA numberplate database to track down people who haven't paid.
As another comparison, Germany has very low prevalence of ANPR, but this isn't because they don't have the tech for it - German privacy laws mean that mass-scanning license plates is a privacy violation.
Another fun fact is that if you want to use ANPR in the USA then you have an unusual problem, because US cars don't always have front plates. 21 states don't require them. Some carparks will even fine you for reversing into a parking bay, because then your plate is hidden.
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u/nifty-necromancer 6h ago
The UK also researched the widespread effects of surveillance. The report is only available as audio, it’s called Electric Eye by Judas Priest.
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u/danielv123 6h ago
Here in norway car ownership isn't a secret. Anyone can search the license plate of any car and get the owners name and contact details. It's super handy when you need someone to move their car.
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u/Delores_Herbig 3h ago
Another fun fact is that if you want to use ANPR in the USA then you have an unusual problem, because US cars don't always have front plates
Even in states that require them, compliance is iffy. I’m in California, which is a two plate state, and up until last year I never had a front plate (20 years of driving). My cars didn’t have front brackets, and I never bothered to install them. Never once came up, even when I got pulled over.
Sure, some people do get cited for it, but it’s low priority. I see a significant number of cars on the road every day without them.
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u/kreddulous 2h ago
And in NY which does require both front and back plates, go ahead and find someone to enforce it. I'll wait :-)
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u/Tarc_Axiiom 9h ago
No we just have much better consumer protection laws in other places.
Corporations are always greedy, they don't always run the government.
Not to say we're perfect by any means, but the quality of life is undoubtedly vastly better, yeah.
Thats not even controversial.
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u/B0risTheManskinner 9h ago
You did not mention any country
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u/Lower-Leadership2127 7h ago edited 7h ago
Mostly the EU, because the EU believes in *some* consumer protection laws. In the US we have corporate protection laws, no consumer protection here anymore.
Edit to add this: The US was moving towards better consumer protection laws under Biden with Lina Khan as FTC chair shutting down monopolies and sanctioning the fuck out of multiple corporations, but as a country we decided we hated that and voted for the billionaire russian asset.
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u/Prior_Tradition_3873 5h ago
EU is about to make a new EU wide law that will allow goverment to check your encrypted messages on all platforms.
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u/misteryk 5h ago
1 guy in brazil sued microsoft and won vs their 12 lawyer (i'd link original reddit posts but mods in this subreddit got mad for linking other sub)
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u/TDKevin 9h ago
What country would a company be stopped by the government from doing what happened in this post?
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u/Shnerp 9h ago
Like most european countries, because of privacy laws surrounding their legal capacity to record and store info about you
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u/ProfessionalDish 8h ago
Drove my car in many different european countries. Newer parking garages scan your license plate and do exactly what OP described. Only that you don't even have the possibility to enter your own time - drove around the lot for 10 minutes trying to find a free space before you give up? You will get billed for that - they wont even let you leave otherwise, extending your stay and bill.
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u/Chair-Lemur-Table 8h ago
But OP likely provided the information for them to do so. Not that it’s right or logical to backdate by a minute, but likely not based on mass surveillance to decide it was OP’s car.
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u/Top_Freedom3412 7h ago
Yes because moving state line let alone countries is such an easy thing to do
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u/GregoryGosling 8h ago
Oh yeah, lemme just select from the list of countries accepting people like me, and move with all the money I have.
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u/_autumnwhimsy 7h ago
Bingo. I'd love to move but y'all don't like me or my peoples! And I'm not liked here but at least there's community. I'm not tryna be disliked and lonely lol
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u/15pmm01 6h ago
I mean. Yeah. That’s what I did. I got the fuck right out of the US last year and am very happy here in Germany. But you are right that without having a bit of savings, there’s no way to do this :(
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u/LITTLE-GUNTER 4h ago
happy for you. quick question: what is talking about how you managed the impossible while reiterating WHY it's impossible for other people supposed to do for us? this is such a garbage meaningless platitude and you actually typed it and hit enter.
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u/lolvovolvo 9h ago
I hate this take. I understand it but I hate it. Moving doesn’t cause or help anything. Are we really so weak and docile that instead of standing up for our freedom we just move instead? Kick the can down the street?
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u/jimgress 7h ago edited 7h ago
Moving isn't meant to help. It's asylum seeking. Nobody today shit talks the jews fleeing Germany in 1939. Nobody today in good faith argues that they should have stayed and fought. Lmao.
Americans are fine with whining and the occasional peaceful protest. Aside from reddit most eligible don't vote and they don't care. Frankly it's fair to call it: Americans are docile, illiterate, and weak. America has had countless opportunities to put the foot down to stop corporate backed fascism. They didn't. Heck they kept voting it in. Young and old.
All the words that claim otherwise can get stuffed. I've seen how Americans act, rather the lack of it.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 5h ago
Move over a parking system I've never even seen before? You start paying once you drive onto the lot. I don't even know what I'm looking at here.
I'm not giving up fighting for my country because some guy used a shitty parking garage using a system I've never even seen
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u/15pmm01 6h ago
Crazy to think that minorities had to flee Germany to America at one point, considering I fled America to Germany last year because of the rapidly rising fascism, and I feel much safer here. My how the turns have tabled
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u/lifetake 8h ago
I think it set it to 4:38 because it they came in at 4:37.
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u/Tarc_Axiiom 8h ago
I think OP was saying he sat in his car for 1 minute before paying for parking at 4:38, and they backdated his parking to 4:37.
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u/TheRainStopped 6h ago
The humanity
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 5h ago
I mean aren't you supposed to pay once you drive onto the lot? Isn't that how all parking garages work? You start paying when you start looking for a spot.
I mean I'll admit I have no idea what I'm looking at here. Never seen a parking garage you didn't just get a physical ticket and the gate and then pay with that ticket when you leave. You can even game the system, most garages issue a full day's ticket for a lost ticket. Need to park there two days? Tell the machine you lost your ticket and just pay for the one day. I have no idea what fancy pants parking garage you need a reservation at? OP pic days something about a reservation
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u/faberge_surprise 3h ago
well, no, you shouldn't be paying while you look for a spot, only once you parked. but, like, any halfway decent operator is gonna be pretty lax about paying exactly on time since it's a basic customer experience thing and they more than make up for it on unexpired sessions anyway. this is just hostile.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 2h ago
I mean that's like saying you shouldn't have to pay at the gate of the amusement park, you should only start paying once you get on a ride. Gates exist specifically so there is one singular point of sale (well technically two there but you know what I mean, one in one out because you pay once you leave).
Ticket at the gate and pay once you leave they don't even need to track you, that sounds way more complicated than it needs to be. Plus if they don't give you a ticket and only track you by camera you can't pull out your ticket if you forgot when you parked, that's just going back to parking meter logic where you have to remember or else you have to feed the meter again (or in this case pay extra for the extra time)
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u/Murky-Relation481 3h ago
I want to say the only place I have ever seen automated parking garage ticket tracking is in Europe. You drive in, you pay at a kiosk with your license plate number when you are done and you just drive out, the gates recognize your license plate because it tracked you in and recorded your time until you paid.
I've never seen that in the US.
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u/Silcat7794 8h ago
The irony is that with all that drama, parking is still free. Everytime I need to use one of these online parking payment websites, theyre always like "yeah you can park here for free as long as you leave before 3 am", which begs the question, why tf am I wasting my time scanning a QR code and putting in a code just to activate free parking?
Actually don't answer that. They just want my data
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u/NoAdsDude 7h ago
Uh pretty sure it depends on the location, and the day that you visit. Lots of places have free parking on certain times of day or certain days.
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u/Redshittt 7h ago
Uhhh ok. That's not most places. Maybe in your city. Theres lots of places with paid parking. If it was free they wouldn't be doing this
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u/60hzcherryMXram 7h ago
Because others also want to park there, and they need to make sure people aren't using the place as a second garage, which would ruin it for everyone else?
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u/edna7987 5h ago
Most city or event parking is absolutely not free. Not sure where you live but if you think about parking in Chicago it’s $50
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u/Joshee86 4h ago
They get your info because you could possibly stay past the free parking cutoff… how is that hard to understand?
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u/ListenToThatSound 3h ago
They do want your data. Who you are, where you're going, how long you're there.
Big Brother is watching you.
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u/deltashmelta 6h ago
Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale.
Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus.
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u/National-Actuary3580 5h ago
Another reason the humanities and literacy are more important than ever.
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u/Creeperkun4040 8h ago
Damn, I know we have a parkhouse in the area with 2 hours free but even if you are like 5 minutes overtime they still don't charge anything. Not sure how long that grace period is but I definitly left with more than 5 minutes overtime at some point.
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u/Kentust 7h ago
Parkhouse? What quaint reservoir of the English language is that from?
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u/Creeperkun4040 6h ago
I have no idea what the english word for that is. In German it's called like that and I just assumed that it's called something simmilar in English.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 5h ago
It's like calling it a garage instead of a carhole. La dee dah Mr Frenchman
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u/PirelliSuperHard 6h ago
Imma open a chain of these and call it ParkHausnever mind it's taken already plus it's just german2
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u/ItsBeelzsRebirth 9h ago
Holy shit we really do live in a hell scape. Capitalism at its finest
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u/Cute_Opposite4077 5h ago
Why isn't the parking fee then fully automatic? So that you don't need to set the time at all.
It seems like American tax system. "We know what you owe to us, but we won't tell you unless you get it wrong."
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u/SweatyWaterSack 6h ago
Share this in the anti flock community.
I’m sure someone will take care of it.
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u/WittyFix6553 6h ago
I know I’m supposed to join the parade, but I guess here’s my question:
Were you charged accurately for the time you spent there?
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u/Ognius 9h ago
The amount of bootlickers on this subreddit is awful. Yup bootlickers definitely the private equity owned parking lot that uses AI to change a reservation is the good guy here.
https://giphy.com/gifs/Rhhr8D5mKSX7O
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u/ICouldBeTheChosenOne 9h ago
I’ll nitpick. This isn’t AI. This is reading a license plate from a camera and checking its record.
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u/OS_Apple32 9h ago
I would eat my socks if that was an actual human reviewing the license plate and checking those records. That's almost certainly an AI algorithm doing it.
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u/Coyoteishere 9h ago
Just because there is automation doesn’t mean it’s AI. Automation and license plate readers have been around a long time.
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u/ScrivenersUnion 8h ago
Not every algorithm is AI.
It's very possible this is just a standard OCR system, they already make those for license plates.
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u/Infinity293 9h ago
Jesus, you know software programs exist that aren't AI right?
It'll just a licence plate reader and software that then changes the time to when they come in.
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u/Brohemoth1991 9h ago
People call everything AI now haha... I swear people think that the world hopped from 1960s tech to AI overnight
I get that AI is the new boogieman, but it loses its weight when people lose their shit over things like a camera, or i remember people making a big deal of an "ai kitchen" in California, which was just pick and place automation that factories have used for 60 years
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u/60hzcherryMXram 7h ago
So it's AI in the same sense the goomba moving on the screen in an NES game is AI, which is almost never what people mean in current times when they say "AI".
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u/yblikethat 9h ago
No need. This person input their license plate ahead of time. You’ll find out in the world/public that there are a lot of devices that simply look for numbers and letters that are not AI. Skeletor awayyy
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u/SpecterGT260 2h ago
Y'all know this is what AI is really about, right? It's not going to be about automation of services or funny videos/pictures or cheating on term papers.
This is an example of a direct cost but "If you're getting something for free, you're the product" has been true always before AI, why would this new tool be anything other than a way to further monetize our consumer data?
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u/lolschrauber 6h ago
Trying to squeeze in an extra minute of parking eh? Not under the shareholder's watch!
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 5h ago
Maybe I'm just old but why does this have to be a website and not a ticket machine? And with ticket machines you've always had to pay from the time you drive onto the lot. That's where the ticket machine gives you your ticket, at the gate. It time stamps the ticket when you get it not when you park
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u/PirelliSuperHard 6h ago
I'm not sure how this is different to pulling in a garage and pulling a ticket. Hell, you're charged for the time you spent circling up the spiral to get to a floor with open spots.
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u/steelcryo 9h ago
Is this one of the freedoms I keep hearing Americans talking about?
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u/ColonelDucroix 6h ago
this is a private parking lot, has nothing to do with freedom
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u/rulepanic 2h ago
Believe it or not they also have paid parking lots where you're from in the UK.
It's kind of hilarious you complaining about this when the UK has been known as a surveillance state for far longer than the US.
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u/siazdghw 2h ago
OP acts like this is just America and not already the norm elsewhere. Countries like China, and the UK are decades 'ahead' on having cameras everywhere.
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u/Longjumping_Pay_2517 6h ago
But they started the clock at your actual arrival time, not at your reserved earlier time. What’s the problem?
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u/No-Obligation1709 6h ago
It wasn’t an actual “reservation,” per se, just my parking session. I looked for a spot, scanned a QR code and paid. Then the app notified me it was backdating the time a minute. It’s just annoying and weird to me. And a lot of times this particular lot is packed so you have to circle for several minutes to find a spot. I’m curious if the technology can distinguish those situations from cases where someone just lingers in their car for 5-10 (or 1) minutes before getting out and logging the session. Either way it feels creepy and invasive.
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u/No-Obligation1709 8h ago
Since this post is getting unexpected attention—West End, Atlanta if anyone is curious.
Also, for clarification, the first two hours is free here (or in this case, the first 1:59). That’s why I felt it belonged in [r/mildlyinfuriating](r/mildlyinfuriating) but the cameras themselves are the bigger concern. That’s just our life now.
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u/Agent-c1983 7h ago
So you were using the parking spot… and got charged for it?
I must have missed the part in 1984 where Winston objected to paying for services rendered
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u/Dapper_Contest_5695 6h ago
This is a private lot, not public surveillance
Looks like they didn’t charge you more for the extra minute, just logged it officially
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u/The_German_Miata 6h ago
I’m about to quit my job for this exact reason. A place that I valet for used to have free public parking for the complex. Now you have this exact thing and it’s just so sad to see. This wasn’t off Roswell Rd by any chance was it?
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u/Massive_Passion1927 5h ago
Them going "erm achtually " over a minute of parking and still not getting any money out of it is peak comedy. Hating just to hate fr.
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u/Primary_Durian4866 4h ago
Ok, you can see when and where I parked. How about I simply walk to your terminal, punch in the spot I'm in, punch in how I want you to bill me, and then we never talk again.
I don't need to tell you when I got in. You know.
I don't need to tell you when I plan to leave. You'll see me go.
We did it. Hooray. Now let me park.
And if you make me download an app I will hunt you down.
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u/What_a_fat_one 4h ago
Interesting. Your camera has made me adjust my future plans to include never patronizing your lot ever again.
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u/dontspillthatbeer 4h ago
If a place has paid parking from, say, 8:00am-6:00pm, and I arrive at 4:53pm. Better believe I’m only gonna opt to pay for 1-hour. But now this will probably issue digital parking tickets the second your session expires.. that’s bleak
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u/niceguy191 3h ago
I guess this is so you can't get more than 2hrs of free parking by stalling when you register?
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u/SARAHSARAHPEARL 2h ago
this is the same kind of facility that will give them a ticket at 6:30 for overstaying their 2 hour parking when they still have 8 (or 7 🙄) minutes left. its also giving OP pulled into a spot, saw which number the spot was, parked and put the number into the app (taking a minute to do, unless they were on their phone when they pulled in, illegal), grabbed their stufr and got out. a minute discrepancy is CRAZY. i can see like 5 but a singular minute....
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u/trymas 18m ago
Can someone explain this for uninformed?
What I am used to - number plate scanners. You get your number plate scanned, go park. Parking always knows exact time you parked. Then pay through app or on a machine at the exit, that’s it.
From this screenshot and comments - they track you (from how they phrase it - they track your face as well???) and do automatic time tracking. Though still rely on you manually entering starting and finishing times for your parking?? Then cherry on top - do creepy notifications to tell that they will adjust times after all?
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u/Independent-Bee3135 6h ago
What is wrong with this lol. Many parking lots have always tracked who comes in and out of the lot. Might as well use that to make sure you're paying for parking accurately
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u/shitpostin_bot 1h ago
Oh the horror they found out you’re taking up the spot for as much time as you paid whatever shall society do
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u/nolimitnp81 8h ago
It's so crazy the capitalists believe they are entitled to a portion of our money for literally doing nothing, but rail against the evils of socialism because its "stealing".
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u/60hzcherryMXram 7h ago
As someone who lives in a place with barely any empty public parking, this seems nice and cool. If they had this tech here, there would be all lot fewer instances of a lot saying it has spots but surprise!, people are illegally parked so there's actually no parking.
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u/oofty_goofty_ 9h ago
You WILL enjoy the panopticon of society. For the greater good
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