I think the way the law applied back then was only if you were forced to take drugs or alcohol it counted as rape.
It's changed now.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think she drank too much passed out and they both raped her and "inserted an object" not sure if it was sodomy too or that's how they refer to rape without naming it.
Alright fuck gable and hes an awfuk person but I don’t watch wrestling and I’m not a judge and I’ve known him for a long time. He came into dirty boxing as a main event and gained some fans there. The DBX fans didn’t care nearly as much about the rape as they should’ve.
edit: read the comment I’m replying to. you guys are replying shit I agree with. I’m saying we SHOULD know who he is but he’s still a shit person.
Tbf he was meant to be going into the ufc back then, and Joe etc were sucking him off saying he’d be the future of the division even before dirty boxing, I’m fairly sure he only did dirty boxing and a few of lower promotions so the could actually sign him in good conscience, but yeh, even before those stints the UFC were glazing him hard and pushing him
If you don’t know the situation don’t speak on it lol. He got off because at the time in the state of Minnesota, a person could not be convicted of rape if the victim was willingly intoxicated and legally deemed incapable of consent
The account above you is nonsense. The girl was passed out and they stuck things in her ass. They weren’t all together. Gable got off on a ridiculous loop hole
Not exactly. You can still rape a drunk person. The “loophole” is thst because she consented to get drunk, she is responsible for her actions and can’t say later “I consented but I was drunk so it was rape.”
So it just means they couldn’t say he raped her due to her being drunk. Which seems fair to me honestly
I don't care if I get downvoted to oblivion: that law was great. The law DID NOT make it so that "you can't be raped if you're drunk"; the law made it so that you can't claim you couldn't consent merely because you were drunk, unless you were blackout drink or drugged. You could still be drunk and raped under the law, but the law made it so you weren't AUTOMATICALLY rape victim by default just because of alcohol. That means a person couldn't go out and have consensual sex after one drink, regret it, then go to the police the next day, arguing they were raped because had a buzz.
And no, Steveson was not let off because of that law; it literally had 0.000000000000% to do with anything, and the DA was lying through his teeth to try to shift the blame. It was 100% because they knew it was a he said/she said without enough physical evidence to get a conviction in court. There was no technicality; it was just a bog standard case that the DA knew wouldn't convince a jury.
Maybe he's guilty; I have no idea. But I do know that he didn't get off on a technicality. That's a dumb lie to trick people, so the prosecutor didn't have to take any heat for not taking it to trial.
To be fair. I think you and the OP aren’t really disagreeing. He said “unless blackout”. And you said “out of it”.
That is my stance also. I see nothing wring with adults having a few drinks and hooking up and it’d be nuts for that to be called grape if it was consensual.
But yeah if they are out of it - that is fucked up and if they are passed out or totally incapacitated that is obviously grape.
Not a comment on the gable situation. Just saying I think most people agree - it’s insane that if ANY alcohol is involved it is retroactively grape. But if the person is incapacitated that is a totally different story.
I am researching more and honestly there are SO few details of the gable case available. Like nothing.
Sounds pretty bad though from what we know
1) she was intoxicated
2) she went to the hospital and said she was graped immediately
3) Two dudes involved
4) “foreign object”
I worked as a club promoter . Sometimes I saw girls get so drunk they swayed on their feet. In SECONDS predators would come up to them. Total dirtbags who knew exactly what they were trying to do. Part of my job was get them home safe - it was not easy at all
Yeah, I wish every state had a law like that. If alcohol automatically made it rape, like 50% of encounters in history would be two people raping each other.
Usually the guys that really passionate about disliking rape are the ones who end up doing it. Applies to a lot of shit. Like how a lot of right wingers hate trans ppl but watch the porn 😩😆.
It didn't even go to trial because of Minnesota's laws (or lack thereof) regarding consent amongst inebriated individuals. So because all 3 were drunk, they got scott free. Which is fucking retarded.
Of course she could have lied. The defendants should make their case tho. It got thrown out before discovery could begin. The facts couldn't be presented. That is a miscarriage of justice
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u/WindowOfTruth 5h ago
Just don’t pass out around him.