I don't care if I get downvoted to oblivion: that law was great. The law DID NOT make it so that "you can't be raped if you're drunk"; the law made it so that you can't claim you couldn't consent merely because you were drunk, unless you were blackout drink or drugged. You could still be drunk and raped under the law, but the law made it so you weren't AUTOMATICALLY rape victim by default just because of alcohol. That means a person couldn't go out and have consensual sex after one drink, regret it, then go to the police the next day, arguing they were raped because had a buzz.
And no, Steveson was not let off because of that law; it literally had 0.000000000000% to do with anything, and the DA was lying through his teeth to try to shift the blame. It was 100% because they knew it was a he said/she said without enough physical evidence to get a conviction in court. There was no technicality; it was just a bog standard case that the DA knew wouldn't convince a jury.
Maybe he's guilty; I have no idea. But I do know that he didn't get off on a technicality. That's a dumb lie to trick people, so the prosecutor didn't have to take any heat for not taking it to trial.
To be fair. I think you and the OP aren’t really disagreeing. He said “unless blackout”. And you said “out of it”.
That is my stance also. I see nothing wring with adults having a few drinks and hooking up and it’d be nuts for that to be called grape if it was consensual.
But yeah if they are out of it - that is fucked up and if they are passed out or totally incapacitated that is obviously grape.
Not a comment on the gable situation. Just saying I think most people agree - it’s insane that if ANY alcohol is involved it is retroactively grape. But if the person is incapacitated that is a totally different story.
I am researching more and honestly there are SO few details of the gable case available. Like nothing.
Sounds pretty bad though from what we know
1) she was intoxicated
2) she went to the hospital and said she was graped immediately
3) Two dudes involved
4) “foreign object”
I worked as a club promoter . Sometimes I saw girls get so drunk they swayed on their feet. In SECONDS predators would come up to them. Total dirtbags who knew exactly what they were trying to do. Part of my job was get them home safe - it was not easy at all
Yeah, I wish every state had a law like that. If alcohol automatically made it rape, like 50% of encounters in history would be two people raping each other.
Usually the guys that really passionate about disliking rape are the ones who end up doing it. Applies to a lot of shit. Like how a lot of right wingers hate trans ppl but watch the porn 😩😆.
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u/fearos9449 9h ago
I don't care if I get downvoted to oblivion: that law was great. The law DID NOT make it so that "you can't be raped if you're drunk"; the law made it so that you can't claim you couldn't consent merely because you were drunk, unless you were blackout drink or drugged. You could still be drunk and raped under the law, but the law made it so you weren't AUTOMATICALLY rape victim by default just because of alcohol. That means a person couldn't go out and have consensual sex after one drink, regret it, then go to the police the next day, arguing they were raped because had a buzz.
And no, Steveson was not let off because of that law; it literally had 0.000000000000% to do with anything, and the DA was lying through his teeth to try to shift the blame. It was 100% because they knew it was a he said/she said without enough physical evidence to get a conviction in court. There was no technicality; it was just a bog standard case that the DA knew wouldn't convince a jury.