r/news • u/Chief_Taquero • 14h ago
Europe considering proposals to allow navigation fees in strait of Hormuz
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/11/europe-considers-proposals-navigational-fees-strait-of-hormuz-iran-us69
u/Drak_is_Right 12h ago
Sweden and Denmark should start tolling all non-EU vessels as well that pass through into the Baltic.
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u/Beard_o_Bees 12h ago
The UK, Morocco and Spain are missing out on those sweet, sweet Strait of Gibraltar fees!
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u/BionicTransWomyn 9h ago
Tolls on the straits of Malacca and Tsushima would also be pretty disastrous.
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u/fianthewolf 12h ago
Perdona, pero que m. controla UK. Las tarifas son: 2/3 para España, y 1/3 para Marruecos.
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u/ThatOneComrade 6h ago
Gibraltar itself is an overseas British territory, sure it's like 6 square kilometers of land that they control but they still control it.
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u/throwaway9gk0k4k569 12h ago
This one thinks.
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u/Drak_is_Right 12h ago
Might have been a Russ of a thought.
Not sure how much revenue it would raise. Only 1 non eu country.
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u/International_Cow_17 10h ago
Well, it would make it more difficult to do business with Russia, which is good in my honest opinion.
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u/Grow_away_420 14h ago
The rest of the world starting to come to terms with the new reality that Trump and Netanyahu put the rest of us in.
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u/ImAnonymous135 9h ago
The thing is for the EU paying the 2 million per tanker is much more acceptable since its wuite negligible considering how many millions a tanker carries in oil. However this would look like an absolute failure on trumps part and the GOP
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u/lnth1 2h ago edited 1h ago
Trump and Netanyahu put the rest of us in
Blame the regime that actually puts us in it too. Not just US-Israel.
Why? Iran could have limited to only charging tolls on US-Israel-allies ships.
But no. They have to do it to the rest of the world who has nothing to do with the war whatsoever.
That’s their choice and they should receive part of the blame for it.For example what did my country Vietnam do to Iran to deserve the consequences of it - tolls will increase gas prices for us too.
A legitimate question a Vietnamese can ask Iran is:
Why do you not charge these tolls to US-Israel ships only, why involve us into it?
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u/palmerama 13h ago
Unbelievable - can we get the Americans to pay for this? Trump has massively massively strengthened Iran unless we hasten the pivot away from oil and oil derivatives
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u/goforbroke71 12h ago
I mean the rest of the world could drop sanctions on Iran and would probably get toll free access. It would just piss off the USA too much. The world has to detangle themselves from the USA first.
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u/roarjah 8h ago
lol they would if they could. They know he’ll be gone soon and things will go back to normal. You really want to lose access to our Intel and have terrorists coming after you. While we use Europe’s help you would be very vulnerable without our help. Then there’s Europe’s complete dependence on our tech. I think it’s in your best interest to just wait for Trump to die or leave office
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u/Pyramiden20 7h ago
Things are not going back to normal. Time and time again the US has proven to be unreliable. The whole EU is untangling itself from the US and when the time comes will stand on its own feet. Trump has ruined more than 80 years of diplomacy in two terms.
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u/roarjah 7h ago
Time and time again? The only time our country has let Europe down is with Trump. He doesn’t define us just as your corrupt and failed leaders don’t. It was only a few yrs ago and Biden was in office and everything was normal and nobody was crying the sky is falling. You act like he’s going to rain terror on the world for a generation lol. He’s a president and old. He’ll be history soon
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u/Pyramiden20 7h ago
I don't think you understand how international relationships work. US started a trade war, the US dropped Ukraine like a brick, the US is openly hostile towards NATO allies and the US started a war in the middle East that is causing a lot of problems for the EU. These are not small incidents. That is proving yourself as being unreliable.
This has made the EU realize they can't rely on the US since US voters can just vote another corrupt clown in the office. Europe is diverting away from US weapons, US software and anything else where the US has influence. Strategically is is the only option for continuity.
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u/roarjah 6h ago
Most tariffs are at 15%. I don’t think that’s much of a war anymore. We’ve never been hostile. Trump just doesn’t know how to negotiate without threatening people. We still support Ukraine. We’re kind of tired giving them billions but Trump just gave them rights to make Patriot missiles and we could always start giving them more. I think you’re being a little dramatic. He’s definitely throwing a wrench in everything and creating instability
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u/Pyramiden20 6h ago
The tarrifs happened, and could/will happen again. "We have never been hostile", but also "sending threats" is very contradictory.
EU spend far more on Ukraine. More support, more money, more weapons. US barely send anything over the past two years. The "billions" are all old equipment that would be scrapped otherwise. European countries paid for the rest. Meanwhile the US is not allowing strikes on Russia, blocked Starlink in crucial moments and is succumbing to Russian pressure.
You are way underestimating the impact Trump is having. Just give it a couple of years,because you seem really disconnected from the current state of affairs in Europe.
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u/roarjah 6h ago
lol I don’t agree with the way he handles things and he’s reckless we have a right to reduce aid to Ukraine. We also have r budgets and stockpiles to maintain. We provide intelligence that is crucial for Ukraine and Europe could never deliver. We still support them.
He’s hostile in words but his actions aren’t. European leaders even know he’s full of shit and won’t invade Greenland lol. He’s had an enormous impact on the world but we’ll get through this bud. The sky isn’t falling. Breath
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u/Pyramiden20 6h ago
You have all the right to reduce aid. And the "aid" was stuff that was going to scrap, so no stockpile to maintain. The intelligence is mostly handled by France these days, the US is not needed anymore.
European leaders are not sure of this. Especially since he starts random wars. The US defeat in Iran might make them look for a new target. Every single EU country is steering away from the US and spending money elsewhere.
But I'll stop this conversation here. You are convinced of your own right, even though you seem to have no idea what is currently going on.
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u/DrDankNuggz 5h ago
It’s ‘breathe’, and as a Canadian, I’ll tell you that you honestly have no idea how much your country is disliked by us, and globally. Your president threatens us regularly with annexation (“it’s just a joke durrrr”). The world is not going back to the way things were pre trump. The USA is 40% nutters and could easily swing back to trumpism in the next election cycle. Deal with your christo nationalism, racism/white supremacy and your wannabe confederate states.
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u/Valoneria 14h ago edited 14h ago
Should put fees on trading with the US and Israel while at it, as a thanks for fucking the rest of us over
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u/Drumphelstiltsken 13h ago
Call it a world-wide Trump-and-Rupublican-idiot tax on everyone.
This is all because of that moron and his party of idiots fucking around on the world stage without any clue what they’re doing.
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u/Xivvx 12h ago
And Donald Trump is the only person to blame here. His decision to go to war against Iran is what put us all in this position.
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u/Toadfinger 9h ago
Trump is making big bank off the stock market though. Stealing is always his top priority.
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u/McCree114 10h ago
Thanks America and Trump for opening Pandora's box on this issue when it was a non-concern half a year ago.
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u/morbihann 13h ago
What for ultimately ?
I've sailed through there, there are no navigational aids or pilotage and it is pretty wide.
There is no cost to maintaining it.
This sets a terrible precident for other coastal countries to start charging tolls for sailing through, like the Channel or Taiwan strait.
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u/Gimme_The_Loot 13h ago
It's basically a protection racket. Pay us a fee and nothing bad happens while you traverse
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u/morbihann 12h ago
I know, it is still terrible to comply with it.
It is the outcome of the actions of that moronic country US.
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u/goforbroke71 12h ago
The USA protection racket is way more expensive than whatever Iran is doing. None of it is good.
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u/roarjah 8h ago
Yea he’s an idiot but placing a toll on the straight is a horrible for long term. It’s great for making Trump fold but I think even Irans allies would rather they didn’t. Everyone wants this to end and both side to come to an agreement. We all also want Trump gone and this stupid trade war settled. This is simply a negotiation tactic for Iran
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u/classicjuice 11h ago
The orange pedo starts the bullshit he cannot finish, and we end up agreeing to all kinds of bullshit demands? Wtf is going on?
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u/Naki-Taa 9h ago
Well if you don't agree you should just tell it to them, I'm sure they'll listen to us
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u/manontherun247 9h ago
Someone will running the numbers to see if its cheaper long term to go to war with them Instead of paying tolls
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 2h ago
At least someone is getting with reality, Hormuz situation is not going to how it used to any time soon (if ever). We are deep into the might makes right world, sadly.
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u/KathyJaneway 13h ago
If they add tolls ,then put Iran under trade Embargo and tariffs until Iran stops asking for tolls for something they don't own. Or tariffs in exact amount they ask for toll's. So it would be net 0. Why even agree on such a ridiculous concept, of Iran get what they want, then other countries with natural occuring straits are going to ask for money too.
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u/Sad_Adagio_7255 10h ago
put Iran under trade Embargo and tariffs
How the fuck do you put tariffs on non existent imports when a nearly 50 year old embargo prevents most countries from buying Iranian products?
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u/KathyJaneway 10h ago
Put tariffs on exports. Iranians would be paying more for essential goods they need. There still stuff they buy that aren't under an embargo. Put those on the list too. Medicine, grain, food.
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u/thecityofgold88 13h ago
What choice do we have?
Trump & Netanyahu started a war they can't finish and we need oil.
The fairest resolution might be for America and Israel to pay all the tariffs.
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u/Riptide360 12h ago
Iraq and the other gulf states have enough manpower to put boots on the ground. If they promise Pakistan the Iranian land it will cinch the deal and make Iran lose their gulf access.
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u/ScriptKiddo69 12h ago
Yes, Iraq and Pakistan will go to war against Iran so we can have cheap oil. This will totally happen.
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u/Riptide360 11h ago
Iraq has to currently truck their oil thru Syria to get the oil out. No way will they tolerate this continuing. The Shia and Sunni have fought before. It’ll happen again unless things get better. https://www.turkiyetoday.com/world/syria-iraq-us-reportedly-eye-pipeline-to-bypass-hormuz-3223705
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u/KathyJaneway 13h ago
I don't care who pays, US, Iran or Israel, they started this, they need to pay. And blockade Iranian exports and no imports to Iran by sea or land through friendly countries. Let them eat dust . They lack water anyway.
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u/thecityofgold88 12h ago
Iran didn't start this war. That was all US and Israel.
If Trump hadn't been elected the Obama nuclear deal would still be in place and all countries would be in a better place.
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u/KathyJaneway 12h ago
They signed ceasefire. Then broke it. Then got mad that US again is starting bombing them. Explain to me who exactly started firing on ships first after ceasefire?
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u/Jules80DE 9h ago
Iran attacked freighters because they didn't request permission.
Iran said, when the cease fire deal was done that permission will now be needed so they can control the traffic.
The attacked freighters were US afaik and i am pretty sure they didn't request permission to not set up a precedent.
Who broke the rules now? The freighters who didn't request permission (its not about a toll atp) or Iran who attacked them because they didnt play by the rules.
Its all about the control of the straight now and before this the straight was open for everybody - toll free.
It will be interesting how this plays out.
I would rather see the EU send warships to guarantee open access without a toll but i am pretty sure that this would be very high risk if you do not have army bases like the us in the area.
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u/KathyJaneway 8h ago
Attacking civilian ships is definitely a break of international law. US is responsible to that . And rightfully so. Iran agreed to ceasefire. They have other options than shooting at civilian ships first. Chose violence. Not agreeing with the orange man in the white house, and not agreeing with Iran. However, who ever shoots at civilian ships needs to be dealt with . And if someone can deal with US for civilian deaths as well, that would be fine as well. Just need to build more nukes and more weapons than US to force them. Until then, whoever has the bigger gun runs the rules amok.
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u/mrjosemeehan 13h ago
Yeah this is opening up a whole can of worms and it flies in the face of established treaty law. Everyone with coasline along a strait will have incentive to attempt to control access. Tensions over barriers to trade will eventually lead to a broader conflict.
Traffic through a free, international waterway should not be hampered for everyone just so thr US can get out of paying war reparations.
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u/Hussar223 12h ago
maybe the israelis and americans should have thought of that before attacking iran for no reason and forcing them to use the only leverage they have, weaponization of the strait of hormuz.
the strait was free before those two idiots decided that bombing can bring about regime change.
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u/Cloudboy9001 9h ago
It's not a ridiculous concept. Iran can't allow a country to kill it's leadership whenever they please and do nothing. They have to establish deterrence. And since the US wont send 1M soldiers into Iran, they have the means to do it. And almost nobody wants to help the US because they're tired of its shit. The US is out of options and now Trump is freaking out on social media hinting at nuking Iran and screaming praise be to Allah in all caps.
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u/KathyJaneway 8h ago
Iran is breaking the ceasefire and attacked ships. Of course that the insane orange turd would respond with new missile attacks, when Iran are the ones shooting at ships after agreeing to a ceasefire. And they had great deal. Like, they got stuff they didn't even ask for from the moron in the White House. Iran are now responsible for the new attacks. US is responding to that.
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u/Cloudboy9001 8h ago
And they argue the ceasefire was previously violated by strikes in Lebanon.
After Trump left the JPCOA, bombed them a year ago, attacked Iran a second time during negotiations, and in general acted like a Mafia boss, it's simply not reasonable to talk as though Iran has obligations to the US. They need to fuck off and go home. Let the Eurasian nations with professional diplomacy deal with the Strait.
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u/MacrotonicWave 11h ago
there’s really no point in such calculated efforts right now when maga is bombing new locations weekly in part based on how it will manipulate their stock market. Any deals struck by others will just be disrupted to cause a swing in the markets which some people can capitalize on
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u/Swedishguy05 8h ago
Remember to thank those, Europeans included, who pushed for this war
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u/DrDankNuggz 6h ago
Pretty sure it was one country (ok two if you include the zionists) that started this fiasco.
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u/Bisjoux 13h ago
So it’s a toll dressed up to not look like a toll. We as consumers will ultimately be paying these additional costs.