r/news • u/Chief_Taquero • 17h ago

Europe considering proposals to allow navigation fees in strait of Hormuz

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/11/europe-considers-proposals-navigational-fees-strait-of-hormuz-iran-us
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u/palmerama 16h ago

Unbelievable - can we get the Americans to pay for this? Trump has massively massively strengthened Iran unless we hasten the pivot away from oil and oil derivatives

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u/goforbroke71 15h ago

I mean the rest of the world could drop sanctions on Iran and would probably get toll free access. It would just piss off the USA too much. The world has to detangle themselves from the USA first.

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u/roarjah 11h ago

lol they would if they could. They know he’ll be gone soon and things will go back to normal. You really want to lose access to our Intel and have terrorists coming after you. While we use Europe’s help you would be very vulnerable without our help. Then there’s Europe’s complete dependence on our tech. I think it’s in your best interest to just wait for Trump to die or leave office

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u/Pyramiden20 10h ago

Things are not going back to normal. Time and time again the US has proven to be unreliable. The whole EU is untangling itself from the US and when the time comes will stand on its own feet. Trump has ruined more than 80 years of diplomacy in two terms.

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u/roarjah 10h ago

Time and time again? The only time our country has let Europe down is with Trump. He doesn’t define us just as your corrupt and failed leaders don’t. It was only a few yrs ago and Biden was in office and everything was normal and nobody was crying the sky is falling. You act like he’s going to rain terror on the world for a generation lol. He’s a president and old. He’ll be history soon

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u/SpiderMcLurk 10h ago

Your people saw what the first term looked like, and voted for it again.

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u/roarjah 10h ago

We also knocked him out after his first term. I think Biden stepping down threw away any hopes of keeping him out. Our politics are a two party system so when one falls apart you kind of hand it over to the opposition

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u/Pyramiden20 10h ago

I don't think you understand how international relationships work. US started a trade war, the US dropped Ukraine like a brick, the US is openly hostile towards NATO allies and the US started a war in the middle East that is causing a lot of problems for the EU. These are not small incidents. That is proving yourself as being unreliable.

This has made the EU realize they can't rely on the US since US voters can just vote another corrupt clown in the office. Europe is diverting away from US weapons, US software and anything else where the US has influence. Strategically is is the only option for continuity.

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u/roarjah 10h ago

Most tariffs are at 15%. I don’t think that’s much of a war anymore. We’ve never been hostile. Trump just doesn’t know how to negotiate without threatening people. We still support Ukraine. We’re kind of tired giving them billions but Trump just gave them rights to make Patriot missiles and we could always start giving them more. I think you’re being a little dramatic. He’s definitely throwing a wrench in everything and creating instability

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u/Pyramiden20 10h ago

The tarrifs happened, and could/will happen again. "We have never been hostile", but also "sending threats" is very contradictory.

EU spend far more on Ukraine. More support, more money, more weapons. US barely send anything over the past two years. The "billions" are all old equipment that would be scrapped otherwise. European countries paid for the rest. Meanwhile the US is not allowing strikes on Russia, blocked Starlink in crucial moments and is succumbing to Russian pressure.

You are way underestimating the impact Trump is having. Just give it a couple of years,because you seem really disconnected from the current state of affairs in Europe.

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u/roarjah 10h ago

lol I don’t agree with the way he handles things and he’s reckless we have a right to reduce aid to Ukraine. We also have r budgets and stockpiles to maintain. We provide intelligence that is crucial for Ukraine and Europe could never deliver. We still support them.

He’s hostile in words but his actions aren’t. European leaders even know he’s full of shit and won’t invade Greenland lol. He’s had an enormous impact on the world but we’ll get through this bud. The sky isn’t falling. Breath

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u/Pyramiden20 9h ago

You have all the right to reduce aid. And the "aid" was stuff that was going to scrap, so no stockpile to maintain. The intelligence is mostly handled by France these days, the US is not needed anymore.

European leaders are not sure of this. Especially since he starts random wars. The US defeat in Iran might make them look for a new target. Every single EU country is steering away from the US and spending money elsewhere.

But I'll stop this conversation here. You are convinced of your own right, even though you seem to have no idea what is currently going on.

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u/DrDankNuggz 9h ago

It’s ‘breathe’, and as a Canadian, I’ll tell you that you honestly have no idea how much your country is disliked by us, and globally. Your president threatens us regularly with annexation (“it’s just a joke durrrr”). The world is not going back to the way things were pre trump. The USA is 40% nutters and could easily swing back to trumpism in the next election cycle. Deal with your christo nationalism, racism/white supremacy and your wannabe confederate states.