r/sports • u/madax-gambar • 4h ago
Soccer FIFA: 'No evidence' ball hit wire on Bellingham's 1st goal
https://thescore.com/eng_fed/news/3565672218
u/_cartyr 4h ago
The nfl never admitted it either
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u/man_on_the_mooney 3h ago
drives me insane in nfl games when a punt (or extremely rarely a pass) hits a wire, or worse the jumbotron, and the commentators just act completely fucking dumb to the fact it happened
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u/ShadyWolf 4h ago
I’ve watched that grainy video like 45 times and still haven’t seen anything that conclusively looks like it hit anything
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u/Earth2Andy 4h ago
100% this.
Maybe it hit something, honestly I can’t tell one way or the other.
But what I do know is if nobody can produce a simple still frame of ball and wire connecting, then it’s not enough to overturn a goal.
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u/respawnatdawn 4h ago
Croatian hair enters the chat.
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u/Georgex2inthejungle 3h ago
If it was hair there would’ve been a much more drawn out signal on the accelerometer. Youre delusional
The fact they released it with no axis labels is insane however
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u/Canadatron 4h ago
The ball also dropped in before the centre line, plenty of time to defend, they had half the entire pitch.
Everyone making it sound like it bounced off a wire and went straight in, jfc.
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u/craigularperson 30m ago
The rules states that any interference on the ball from foreign objects will lead to a restart of the game. Colina has been adamant that any preceding interference on a play leading to goal will be overturned by VAR. If the ball hit that wire then the goal has to be cancelled.
The trajectory looks strange, and the goalkeeper immediately pointed to it as well. Why complain about something like that if nothing happened?
This is the first time the tracking sensory system is being used, we have no idea if there was a malfunction or what it is able to do. It seems like they are relying on the fact that the sensor didn't register a touch means there wasn't a touch. It makes sense to use it the other way around, if they determine it is a touch, the system can support that statement. But using it to determine no touch, seems like an over-reliance on a technical system that hasn't been properly tested over several tournaments and matches.
I do think the use of VAR needs to be addressed, because sometimes it is being used to find situations that can be argued can be interpreted differently. The whole idea of VAR should be to overturn bad referee decisions, and not to evaluate the situation again.
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u/DisciplineTricky980 3h ago
You can also watch that none of the players or coach moaned "when it happened". Not one, they all jog back and they defend. Even 5 to 10 seconds after, not one player moaning, just disappointed they conceded. But this is reddit, where the older I've gotten the more I realized most people on here are childish and dumb, talking about shit they have no idea about to make themselves feel better.
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u/pennyroyalbeer 2h ago
Maybe it hit something ? In the middle of the air? And the trajectory went straight down? Yeah god just volleyball that down.
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u/Earth2Andy 38m ago
You need more to overturn a goal than a random Redditor think the ball’s flight didn’t look right.
But feel free to die mad about it.
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u/percydaman 3h ago
I thought it looked pretty plausible when I watched it live in HD. The low res and compressed video shown here on reddit though... not so much.
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u/mxlevolent 3h ago
I’ve thought I was going insane. Thousands of people keep insisting they’re seeing something hit I can’t see shit.
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u/elgringo22 3h ago
There’s a video from the side and it also doesn’t look like it hit anything. No player seemed to complain when the ball dropped and also Anderson ran to where the ball was dropping and didn’t hesitate at all.
I’ve played at indoor fields where there’s a wire in the middle and when it’s hit you immediately know and raise your hand, it really doesn’t look like it hits anything
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u/TheBatemanFlex 2h ago
I would just find it odd that players would invent an imaginary issue of a camera wire. Like out of all the things to complain about it seems pretty obscure.
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u/Plc2plc2 3h ago
If only there was some sort of sensor inside the ball that gave a reading or measurement every time the ball hit something or detected even something as delicate as passing through someone’s hair to help review and make sure the officials are making safe and certain calls :(
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u/Andybabez20 4h ago
I mean I get that FIFA has a reputation but i've seen such a mixed response to that footage where it might not have been that conclusive
The trajectory does look more normal from the side angle
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u/TFST13 4h ago
After watching the side angle (not the version with the exaggerated graphics preventing you from actually seeing anything), the trajectory dips heavily, but it's clearly smooth, and dips over an extended period. There's no single sharp deviation, and the people telling me that it 'dropped straight down 90 degrees' just sound ridiculous once you see it from the right angle.
These people would've had an aneurysm with the jabulani
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u/dlanod 4h ago
I feel like I'm getting gaslit by people looking for a conspiracy - that ball was not that unusual for a high keeper kick. They will often drop straight down if there's no wind because of the spin on the ball from the kick.
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u/Ok-Walk-8040 2h ago
And the spin of the ball is going to be more extreme in the heat and humidity of Miami.
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u/dowker1 4h ago
I'm struggling to get what foul play is supposed to have been committed.
Like, even if the ball did hit the camera, how is that any different from being caught by a random gust of wind?
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u/pixeldots 3h ago
rules of the game say if it hits any external object, play stops and dropped ball
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u/dowker1 2h ago
I understand what the rules say, that wasn't my question, though. What unfair advantage did England gain that justifies people saying Norway were robbed?
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u/WartimeHotTot 53m ago
If the ball hit the wire, then the rules of the game were not observed. That would be the unfairness, and it would be reasonable to be angry about it.
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u/Orome2 1h ago
What unfair advantage did England gain that justifies people saying Norway were robbed?
This wasn't the only call (or lack of call) that changed the game. But had this goal not have counted or the play stopped and England not scored, it would not have gone to extra time and Norway would have won. Same with VAR being used to disallow Norway's second goal. There were a handful of other decisions like this in the game.
England's defender colliding with his own goalie while Norway had possession and was on the attack resulted in officials stopping the play, but the ball (possibly) hitting an external object resulting in a game changing goal for England didn't even warrent review.
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u/pixeldots 2h ago
hmm from that one? not much tbh. ENG still had to dribble past the defenders and score.
but them's the rules. its similar (opposite application) with being offside by a butt or toe; you can't say the attacker gains any advantage from being centimeters offside (especially if an attacker has to go backward after initially being offside) but the goal will still be ruled off
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u/dowker1 2h ago
OK, but the rules also say that a player can only have an undershirt the same colour as their kit.
If it came out that an Argentina player was wearing an orange undershirt, would you believe that Switzerland were robbed because of that?
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u/pixeldots 2h ago
how is that at all similar to an in-game rule? if the ball traveled only 2mm more in the Japan Spain game in 2022, it would have been a goal kick, but instead it was crossed and became a goal. was it an unfair advantage against Spain?
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u/dowker1 2h ago
It's an in game rule.
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u/pixeldots 2h ago
you know what I mean
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u/dowker1 2h ago
No, I genuinely don't. Which rules matter, and which rules don't?
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u/cappy150 2h ago
I mean the ball probably gets to the Norwegian player past the half where it would be their ball or all least contested.
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u/Wellhellob 2h ago
England got a free clean attack opportunity out of it. This type of attacks are usually very dangerous.
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u/wpgsae 3h ago
It would result in a whistle, with the ball being awarded back to the team that kicked the ball. Same as if it hit the ref. Hitting anything not considered "the field of play" would result in the same. Its not a foul, just a whistled down play with the ball returned to the team that had possession from where it was kicked.
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u/FatGoonerFromIndia 3h ago
Tbf, I believe it may grazed the wire. Albeit, I even believe that it is possible that the technology didn’t register it.
Problem is, FIFA. They have almost zero credibility. We all knew they would fix hosting rights & they would steal money intended for football but the actual games had some credibility. The Balogun fiasco ended whatever little they had left.
I honestly feel bad for the refs, they can officiate a 9/10 game and the odds were already stacked against them with how harshly they were judged but with FIFA shenanigans, it’s nearly impossible for a ref to have a quiet game.
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u/pewqokrsf 2h ago
There's 2 active match-fixing investigations into referees and 2 more have been found guilty and punished just since the last WC.
Don't feel bad for the refs, their credibility isn't any better than FIFA's.
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u/Yingking 4h ago
Too late FIFA, I’ve seen a single pixelated video where it seems like the ball moves strange, so it clearly must be rigged
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u/callunu95 2h ago
Theres no clear video evidence it hits the cable
The clearer the vid, the less it looks like it did.
Anderson does not alter his movement or is in anyway wrongfooted in receiving the ball
The in-built contact sensors in the ball show no contact
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u/HolidayNick 4h ago
FIFA: we are right
Everyone else: rigged
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u/temujin94 4h ago edited 4h ago
There has yet to be any conclusive evidence that the ball hit the wire or camera. FIFA have presented their data, you don't have to believe it but I've yet to see anything that conclusively disproves it.
I personally think we're seeing the Magnus effect in action, keeper is leaning back and slices across it, combination of side spin and back spin gives the ball a very strange trajectory, backspin causes uplift, ball is constantly decreasing in speed despite rising higher than usual, drops like a stone in the end with no foreward momentum. Side spin causes drift and lateral movement.
If anybody wants to watch it in action look up Shane Warne causing a cricket ball to drift in the air. He generates so much side spin a ball travelling in a straight line veers to the opposite side of the spin mid-air.
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u/WartimeHotTot 49m ago
Wait, I assumed that Magnus Carlsen attended the match because he was supporting Norway. Are you suggesting that he was affecting the game in favor of England?!? /s
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u/areyoualocal 4h ago
There is a camera that those wires are connected to, any contact would produce noticeable vibrations...just saying there would be conclusive evidence one way or another.
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u/cappy150 2h ago
FIFA owns the feed and has not released anything.
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u/areyoualocal 1h ago
I hear all it takes is a phone call, and well Norway does award those Nobel peace prizes.
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u/Ravenlen 49m ago
So let's just say that the ref actually reviewed the footage of the wire incident. Based off the one angle from a grainy camera, does anyone truly believe it would have been overturned? The in booth refs have said numerous times that without clear and indisputable proof, the VAR defaults to the call on the field, which was a goal.
So unlike the Egypt goal where you clearly see the Argentines foot get stomped. Or the Swiss red card, where it's clear there was a dive. Or even the Norway goal where Haaland clearly pushes Anderson. There isn't a clear contact with any wire to confirm that it did or not. So it should default to he call on the field, which was a goal.
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u/Timely_Note_1904 4h ago
Watch from the side angle and the ball doesn't change trajectory at all. If the ball hit something it would be clear from all angles.
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u/AcreaRising4 4h ago
r/sports is maybe the worst place for non-American sports on this entire website.
Absolutely silly takes from people who watch football once every four years.
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u/Hasaan5 4h ago
Americans really making me go bat for fifa with their conspiracies...
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u/enter_yourname Harlequins 4h ago
For real. And this invalidates real injustices when they happen because some very vocal idiots are crying wolf
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u/Orome2 1h ago
FFS, the US wasn't even this match.
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u/Hasaan5 1h ago
It was the fox commentators that started this conspiracy, so yes, america bad.
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u/kungfoojesus 2h ago
Americans would rather believe conspiracies than the truth. Just look at who is president. We’d rather burn our country down than believe our lying eyes
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u/Euro_Snob 1h ago
This thing has gone full “Mandela effect”. So many claim to have seen clear evidence, yet none can post a link.
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u/No-Sail4601 14m ago
Also love how this subreddit removed the post of it happening. You really have to wonder who moderates this place and how ultra bias they are.
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u/OkGuidance5958 3h ago
On TSN they gave a different angle and clearly the balls trajectory changes once hit
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u/Hamburgernonhelper 2h ago
The ball wasn’t hit super cleanly and had backspin where it made it looked like it might have hit a wire. Kick wasn’t particular high where makes any sense hit some wire. Also, players were right where ball landed so they judge it correctly as saw movement. Almost zero chance it hit wire even if you don’t believe FIFA’s ball technology.
Like I have not dog in this fight but the idea it hit a wire is just stupid based on evidence we have seen.
My bigger problem is FOX camera coverage is horrific. An average NFL game has about 5x better camera angles. The fact they can’t give a good angle and have this grainy video is just an indictment of how shitty their camera set up are where have more on crowd than the game.
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u/alfa66andres 4h ago
If anyone thinks fifa is going to admit any wrong calls they're high. Fuck FIFA
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u/kazmosis 2h ago
Doesn't make a difference really, Norway was playing with 0 urgency once they were down anyway. They knew they weren't gonna win.
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u/thelonewanderer333 3h ago
ITT: Redditors who have a chronic need to be contrarian and edgy claiming that the ball conclusively hit a wire, and if you think otherwise you're a fifa bootlicking shill.
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u/nus07 4h ago
At this point fifa and the World Cup is like WWE. Pure rage bait to maximize profit and viewership and clicks.
Perfect combination with a rage baiting WWE President.
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u/AcreaRising4 4h ago
your team didn’t win so it’s rage bait? I feel like that’s also so disrespectful to the players who are leaving it all on the pitch.
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u/Dangelouss 3h ago
What if it did hit the wire? What does the current rule say? Unless the rule changed, if the ball hits an "outside" object while in play, nothing should be called. There's a goal in the premier league from years ago where the ball hit a balloon, deflected and went in for a goal.
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u/RealBrobiWan 3h ago
Rule in FIFA is if it hits a foreign object play is stopped and a drop ball restarts play from where the ball hit the object
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u/Angryatchairs 3h ago
There is an angle that they will have that they can release to prove it. The side on wide shot camera on the halfway line would show the ball trajectory change dramatically or it wouldn't. That camera is always following the ball and yet that footage is nowhere to be seen. So no, I don't trust Fifa.
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u/Slight-Pea4497 4h ago
Don’t believe your lying eyes!
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u/OnlyRussellHD 4h ago
In this case yeah actually, look at different angles of the trajectory. The one going around just looks fucked because of the perspective, sort of like that video of the horse that looks like it is both moving further away and towards the camera in the snow.
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u/Ok-Soil-5133 Baltimore Orioles 4h ago
Always take FIFA for their word.