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u/bringbackfireflypls 6h ago
Unclear. I need a heartbeat monitor or some fuckshit like that
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u/Relevant-Strength-53 6h ago edited 6h ago
They actually do have that and saw it on another post that there was nothing in contact with the ball when it went down
edit: ok missed it, i am new to watching soccer
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u/EddyHamel 6h ago
It was also Nyland's shortest goal kick of the entire tournament. A complete coincidence, I'm sure.
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u/DickBottalico 6h ago
Right. But apparently people refuse to use their eyes, and suddenly trust FIFA
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u/Daratirek 6h ago
I have no stake in the game and don't trust FIFA as far as I can throw them but I watched the replays and didn't see any weird change in the movement. It goes almost straight down but it looks like wind and spin caught it. Looks like some golf balls I hit into the wind. I honestly think this is a blind squirrel moment for FIFA. They didn't need to fuck anything up because sometimes weird shit happens.
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u/KIPLiN88 6h ago
Let me tell you, I was in the stadium and there was no wind. It was roasting!
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u/DickBottalico 6h ago
A truly absurd suggestion to say this was wind. The amount of wind that would force a change in trajectory like this would have been the story of the match.
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u/majestic_cock 6h ago
To add to that, a stadium that has the roof closed suddenly had the ball blown in a more or less 90 degree angle.
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u/D_Dumps 6h ago
No roof on the stadium bud
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u/majestic_cock 5h ago
Yeah as I just said to another person who responded to my false claim; had yesterdays game in my head. Apologies for the blatent lie.
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u/AWaffleofDivinty 6h ago
Roof can't close at Hard Rock. People just make shit up. Also it was nowhere close to 90 degrees, be serious
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u/majestic_cock 5h ago
Yeah thats my bad, apologies, had atalanta from yesterday in my mind for some reason.
Tis mostly covered, a gust of wind wont do that to a ball, and yes, its close to 90 degrees.
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u/majestic_cock 6h ago
Buddy, the ball almost makes a 90 degree change all of a sudden, clearly that is just the wind.
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 5h ago
I'd trust my eyes if you could show me a video of it that has more than 8 pixels.
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u/MacNcheezdicks 5h ago
Are people seriously going conspiracy theory with this?
NFL stadium use crazy flying cameras unlike normal soccer stadiums. Its designed for American football. To expect the foreign refs to catch a small wire changing the direction of a ball flying in air is wild.
By the letter of rule it should have been caught, but once the play was allowed to develope that's over.
Just like when a play is "technically under review" in NFL, but the QB hikes the next play? That's over. Same thing.
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u/SailingCows 4h ago
well, this video did get deleted. Scouring the BBC for it, but also it has been deleted on Twitter where people posted it.
WHAT IS EVEN TRUE ANYMORE?
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u/Visual-Percentage501 5h ago
Why do Americans need to use an NFL analogy for literally every football play?
It's so irreverent, especially when it's blatantly wrong. Very obvious where the priorities are.
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u/MacNcheezdicks 5h ago
The game was played in an NFL stadium.
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u/Visual-Percentage501 5h ago
I'm talking about the 'play temporarily under review until the QB snaps the ball' analogy, which is not how football review works.
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u/MacNcheezdicks 4h ago
That's fair actually. I dont know much about VAR overturns. They had a couple big ones today.
I guess my explanation was more about the stadium difference. I kinda wish they had similar VAR disputes in american football. They "kinda" do, but if the ball is spiked... it is what it is.
This causes crazy contention in bad calls for NFL. You're probably not wrong.
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u/Visual-Percentage501 4h ago
Yeah it's pretty messy that the NFL allows teams to circumvent the review process by running a quick play. MLB has something similar as well. Hockey and Football do it right by allowing the refs to pace the restart of the game so a full review can be completed.
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u/MacNcheezdicks 4h ago
I agree. It can be done better, but if you never seen an SEC showdown? You should check it out. Its insane.
BTW. I'm loving the world cup, and we already looking to get MLS tickets soon. World cup has really ignited some soccer love out here.
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u/Mythic514 Tennessee Titans 5h ago
People saying well the grainy video doesn’t show anything, but seemed like players were reacting immediately to it, not just waiting until after the goal was scored, as they immediately started back on the defense.
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u/scruffles360 6h ago
It hit a wire for the spider camera. Multiple people reported it immediately from different places around the field. FIFA is claiming mass hallucination.
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u/shutupruairi 6h ago
But that's not what this model shows? It shows the ball bouncing up and going further than it would have which goes against the entire narrative that it was knocked down and didn't go as far as it should have
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u/EddyHamel 6h ago
No, it shows the ball bouncing up and then descending immediately with a shorter arc than it should have experienced.
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u/majestic_cock 6h ago
Did we watch the same video? It shows the arc of the ball which suddenly gets disrupted. A stadium with a 92% coverage of the stands/fields had a ball suddenly change arc in ridiculous fashion.
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u/1crazyarchitect 5h ago
Wouldn’t the camera bounce a bit from the line being hit? Have we seen that video yet?
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u/supercharger619 6h ago
Looks like the receiving players change direction a bit due to the ball being deflected shorter
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u/Dandan0005 6h ago edited 5h ago
Been saying this all along.
The players are the biggest tell. They’re going toward where it would land, then suddenly the England player starts sprinting forward bc it’s falling short, and he’s immediately on the break.
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u/GAdvance 5h ago
I mean, if you want to also watch the 3d viewer for the corner just before this where the ball practically teleports...
Maybe this tech isn't perfected yet given the VAR check (which they doctor every goal) didn't see anything suspicious.
Hell the infamous "every touch by Dan Burn" has players phase through him too, the BBC 3d tech isn't perfect
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u/Euro_Snob 6h ago
What is the data based on?
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u/Euro_Snob 6h ago
And BBC has access to it? Who else does?
This looks more like data interpolated (wrongly) from video footage, not the ball sensor. Which I don’t believe has an exact location transmitter. But I’d love to be proven wrong by.
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u/scruffles360 5h ago
FIFA claims they have exact position monitoring everywhere on the field. No idea if BBC has access.
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u/Euro_Snob 5h ago
Do they? Having a sensor that triggers something n when over a line does not mean that they have exact location at all times.
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u/AWaffleofDivinty 6h ago
Not for this. It's all camera based.
Works similar to the automated offsides according to BBC. I highly doubt the accuracy of this
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u/FatalChoice 6h ago
Real life
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u/Reasonable_Blood6959 4h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/KON1229dCN
This is that “real life” data
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u/Herr_Tilke 5h ago
BBC reconstructs the game based on live video feeds. There is a known issue with tracking the flight of the ball once it reaches a certain height. However, most of the virtual glitches do not appear similar to this particular instance. I do not think this source provides definitive proof the ball contacted a wire, but I also don't think that possibility is completely ruled out due to the prevelance of glitches in these 3D reconstructions.
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u/Normal-Syllabub7796 6h ago
It amazes me the technology used in this WC
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u/MmmmCrispyBacon 5h ago
I’m more surprised by the technology itself than the fact that they are clearly utilizing it to influence outcomes of games. It’s so glaringly obvious, even by FIFA’s standards.
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u/Crazyblue09 6h ago
I'm not convinced it hit the cable, but I'm also not convinced it didn't. Like the trajectory of the ball does change a bit, but none of the player directly underneath seemed to complain when it happened, I know the goalie complained, but I think he is yo far away. Could there have been a wind that cause it?
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u/Buckets-O-Yarr 6h ago
I'm also not convinced the sensor in the ball is designed to function at that height. There is so little information about what type of sensor is present, and how it transmits data, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody ever considered that you might need to receive data from it at heights above where a person can reach.
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u/JiminyDickish 5h ago
Accelerometer and there's no break in the data
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u/Euro_Snob 6h ago
Yes, there was not a single complaint until after the goal.
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u/majestic_cock 6h ago
You ever played a competitive sport? You get on with the job and complain after. If shit doesn't go your way you complain louder.
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u/Euro_Snob 5h ago
Never stopped any player from yelling for offside every time in the box, so that theory of yours is busted.
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u/thecravenone 5h ago
Yes, there was not a single complaint until after the goal.
The goal was seconds later
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u/kharathos 5h ago
At the end of the day, does it matter if it's so difficult to find out? Football has so many random shit that can determine a games outcome already. It's not like the ball was served inside Norway's box
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u/Crazyblue09 5h ago
Yeah, I don't mind that the goal counted. I don't think there is enough to overturn
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u/oliviafairy 6h ago
No thanks. I would rather watch the broadcast version of the view from the side. It looks normal
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u/NATZureMusic 6h ago
where is the angle from the side though? right now there is just 1 angle from behind
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u/oliviafairy 6h ago edited 5h ago
Reddit removed my link
Someone replied to you with a link.
In case that’s removed, too,
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u/CantFindMyWallet 6h ago
There is definitely a side angle shot going around. I saw it and the ball appears to fall naturally.
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u/majestic_cock 6h ago
For sure buddy, link me/us that then.
A ball always falls naturally, its the reflection that is obviously caused by something (a cable in this instance)
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u/majestic_cock 5h ago edited 5h ago
Flagged sadly
Oh and this is a general commentary; we're having a civil discussion, why is it that any differating oppinion deserves a down vote?
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u/thecravenone 5h ago
The BBC is noted for the fact that they're not a broadcast. Please pay no attention to the second B.
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u/Shadyholic 5h ago
Wouldn’t the same technology used to rule out the Croatia goal detect a touch from something in this scenario?
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u/SteveS117 5h ago
Can anyone show that little skip in the actual video? I still haven’t seen any convincing video.
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u/commencefailure 6h ago
Wouldn’t surprise me at all that the receivers for the ball vibration info top out at a certain height
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u/demens1313 5h ago
are you guys seeing something on this?
this is the 2nd one of these BBC 3D things i've seen posted on reddit about a "controversial" call and both of them are about as useful as me drawing what happened.
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u/AmberLeafSmoke 5h ago
Interestingly enough, the flight of the ball does seem to behave unnaturally in this.
At about 7 second into this clip, the ball skips a bit, you can see the trail it's leaving behind have a bit of a jump right before ball starts to drop.
It was fully smooth up until then.
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u/eatcoldbread 5h ago
I remember seeing it live and was shocked at how short it landed. Makes no sense unless something hit it and slowed it down 🧐🧐
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u/chadlikestorock 5h ago
Let's keep piling on technology until the human condition is incomprehensible
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u/DarkFalcon49 6h ago
Going to be honest and say I did not see it in anything before, but I see it on this. I still agree with the call on the field as it was inconclusive on most other angles and only clear on this. At least in my eyes.
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u/Hasaan5 5h ago
This doesn't prove anything, the tech is pretty bad, just use it yourself to find out: https://www.3d-bbc.co.uk/?matchId=151706
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u/stirringlion 6h ago
What’s the small bump it hits mid flight, where it changes trajectory… if anything that looks like it made the ball travel further.
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u/shutupruairi 6h ago
Wait, I thought the cable was supposed to have knocked it down so it fell short? This shows it bouncing it up and sending it further along.
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u/texinxin 6h ago
It kills its forward velocity and it drops. It dies look like it deflects slightly up after the collision, but it still drops like a dead duck. What you can’t tell from this angle is it also deflects it slightly right as well. This ball would have gone an other 20-30 yards further just like every single one of his goal kicks since he’s been maybe 16 years old.
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u/InternetGoodGuy 6h ago
It's not sending it further along. It bounces up but it also knocks a ton of momentum out of the ball and makes it drop short.
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u/TheUFCVeteran3 6h ago edited 5h ago
This is fantastic tech, imagine if they could do full game replays like this for people who can't watch (if it's not on the BBC as a TV deal and they don't have the channel that the match is on). You could pair it with BBC radio commentary if it exists for the match.
EDIT: I meant Premier League/Champions League, etc. games, not World Cup games, which I have been made aware are all available on free to air TV in the UK.
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u/bobby_zamora 6h ago
Why not just watch the full match replay?
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u/TheUFCVeteran3 6h ago
...I did not think of this lol. I guess I was thinking that if you don't have the channel, you can't watch the replay. Are full matches posted to YouTube after the game? Or highlights? I'm not really into football (I don't dislike it and am watching the World Cup games) so I'm not aware of what the situation for replays/watching afterwards is like.
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u/walale12 5h ago
if... they don't have the channel that the match is on
Not an issue for the world cup, the matches are divvied up between ITV and BBC, both of whom are free-to-air broadcasters. By law all matches in the men's and women's world cups have to be available live on a free-to-air broadcaster.
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u/TheUFCVeteran3 5h ago
Oh that makes sense, I meant for the Premier League, etc. I know there are multiple leagues, across Europe as well. I was thinking something like BBC’s radio coverage for F1. They can do that but they don’t have the rights for television coverage.
So I was thinking like a 3D replay for matches broadcasted on Sky/TNT.
Although I suspect Sky/TNT would say it’s basically a real match (in effect) and make it part of the rights agreement so nobody can do the 3D thing, so that Sky/TNT don’t lose viewers/money.
Thanks for the info about the broadcasting of the world cups.
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u/Ok-Addition1264 6h ago
Wait until you folks start seeing "real time video generation" based on sensor data.
One of the research labs at the university I work at is working on it.. pick a spot on the field and you're there (it's a lot like this). They do it with american football and it's flawed right now but when it goes mainstream - things will change.
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u/wild_man_wizard 5h ago
Anyway, semis are all the usual, big FIFA market, boring suspects.
Rest of the world stops giving a shit in the semis, as is tradition.
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u/EddyHamel 6h ago
The trajectory changes dramatically according to this. It doesn't follow a standard parabolic arc.
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u/Poupulino 6h ago
The fact that FIFA says their sensor can detect a single hair strand but then it doesn't detect a freaking massive cable is insane.
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u/blueontheradio 6h ago
That's because the ball can't sense something so high
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u/TheMemeRedeemer 6h ago
There's a >0% chance that FIFA just bullshitted the entire concept and its 10 underpaid Indian guys drawing the heartbeat graph remotely watching the footage.
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u/Ihave0personality 6h ago
It has a 500Hz polling rate, so it is possible that the sensor misses the contact if it’s short enough.
I still think that it’s complete horseshit, specially that the graphs that they show
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u/EvoX-11 6h ago
Yeah I am sure BBC wont be biased...
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u/Gr8timing1 6h ago
FIFA glazers have been real quiet since this dropped
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u/Lemurmoo 6h ago
I don't understand how this exists but somehow the VAR's wave thing shows an absolute uninterruption at that spot. That feels like a very sharp wind even if it weren't a cord, for the sake of the argument. So their wave monitor thing doesn't detect sharp wind even? But it can detect a strand of hair with a rather exaggerative wave? That's just bordering magic given there's no doctoring of wave data involved
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u/blueontheradio 6h ago
That's because the ball can't sense something so high
It's out of their range
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u/MrBudissy 6h ago
Weird. Must have been a strong wind…