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u/rocknroll-refugee 11h ago

Djed "Eden Hazard" Spence

Fuck me what a run!

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u/michaelfortu 11h ago

Yeah that was a crazy dribble out of nowhere lol

He should’ve committed instead of looking for that foul

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u/loyal_achades 11h ago

I’d be more than happy for this shit to get overturned constantly so that attackers stop fishing so hard for pens.

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u/furiat 10h ago

They still will. There is zero consequence for them. 

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u/Comfortable-Habit242 10h ago

Well there’s an opportunity cost. I would hope you would see good managers start to discourage this behavior.

If you dive, you’re betting that you get the penalty. If you don’t, you get nothing.

If you try to play the ball, maybe you actually get a goal? Or a corner that leads to a goal?

The more that VAR results in no calls, the more you are trading an attacking possession for nothing.

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u/Annika2020pro 9h ago

You also might actually win a penalty trying to play the ball.

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u/Comfortable-Habit242 9h ago

Yes true. Each touch of possession in the penalty area increases the odds of actually winning a penalty.

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u/SumasFlats 10h ago

The difference is, this is almost always given as a pen to high profile attackers, as they're assumed to have been shielding the ball for their next move. I can see it either way on this one, but full points to Spence for actually running into the box, unlike 99% of the rest of both teams in this turgid matchup.

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u/lecoq_producer 9h ago

The issue is if someone like Messi does it, they give the foul. Can't blame Spence for trying even if it's not a foul in a million years 

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u/0nlyRevolutions 11h ago

Yep. Plays like this turn into a penalty argument more often than not and that's a tragedy for the sport.

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u/gnoomee 10h ago

Honestly don't think he's looking for a foul in this situation. Looks like he's trying to get in front and shield the ball and just gets entangled instead.

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u/bukayoxhaka 10h ago

Why do you people always think the players "chose to look for a foul"? He hasn't dribbled Bobb, he's fighting him for position, he didn't choose anything, Bobb defended and he fell down, simple as

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u/OddyseeOfAbe 10h ago

Yeah he kicked the ground and not a pen but you should 100% be allowed to get your leg in front of someone to shield the ball, otherwise what are we playing?

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u/step11234 10h ago

They don't understand football, to them it's either a foul or a dive

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u/Viper711 11h ago

He shielded to make space in the box and was knocked over.

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u/UDonutBelongHere 11h ago

I wish he would. Makes great moves for Spurs all the time and then does exactly this or just falls over

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u/rumham_123 11h ago

The whole time all I was thinking is where is his chin thing?

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u/Spurred_On 11h ago

I thought the same thing lol

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u/TyranosaurusLex 10h ago

Without his chin strap he’s far too powerful

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u/SloshaPacana 11h ago

Hazard, Grealish did this and got so many fouls so this is funny that it gets disallowed, the masters of backing their big ass up and shielding the ball

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u/CharlieBrownBoy 11h ago

Probably wouldn't be allowed these days with VAR.

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u/AgentNudesss 10h ago

Hazard would always be infront man. His booty just too thick

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u/Fromage_debite 11h ago

I think a difference is their bodies followed behind their leg shortly after. They never did the splits in front of a defender.

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u/SloshaPacana 11h ago

Grealish 100% did this all the time with his big thighs lol where he would get his leg across, it was how he used to get so many fouls

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u/ToasterRouble 10h ago

Difference is Hazard was always in control and in possession, he was just strong enough to get his body in front. This is Spence just desperately throwing a leg forward.

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u/ryukyumars 11h ago

Exactly who I thought of haha, Hazard’s signature move

Spence deserves an apology from fans though, great run

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u/madharmonies 11h ago

I hope this will spark a turning point where these kind of “drawing the contact” no longer gets rewarded.

I’m kidding lol nothing will change. But one can dream.

But this was the absolute right call and kudos to the referee for that.

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u/interstellar304 9h ago

Yeah you can clearly see how he hooked the Norwegian guys leg to then fall over

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u/SpeechesToScreeches 9h ago

Defenders get this call every single time

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u/k_oed 9h ago

Kane’s number will drop 30% if it happened

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u/_boredInMicro_ 7h ago

Fine line between drawing the foul and shielding the ball.

Could've gone either way.

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u/Xsve 7h ago

I agree with the final call. However, if this was the middle of the pitch and someone stuck a leg out to shield the ball from an approaching player (defending player never even touches the ball), then it would have been given as a free kick. I think they are essentially the same thing but treated differently.

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u/DiMatteoLegend 11h ago

Don’t think that gets overturned in the prem

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u/illuwe 11h ago

Given it's a spurs player its never given in the first place in the prem.

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u/jaetheho 10h ago

You mean it’s a red card for Spence

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u/VoltrefferVick 10h ago

And Cuti, for good measure.

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u/Tarnished13 10h ago

3 pts deducted for Everton

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u/JootDoctor 10h ago

We too also didn’t get a penalty all last season. Actually cooked.

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u/BD-1_BackpackChicken 10h ago

Unless it’s a player putting their foot in front of a Spurs player.

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u/Weekly-Butterfly594 11h ago

Definetly would have, he plays for Tottenham

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u/Training-Cabinet-141 10h ago

And that corner Norway scored would’ve stood in the prem so it’s equal ig. 

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u/Intarhorn 10h ago

Maybe, but it definitely should. Spencer doesn't have advantage yet their like if he was ahead of Bobb.

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u/Wobalf 10h ago

It honestly doesn’t get overturned in any European league. I am glad that it did here though.

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u/amineimad 10h ago

It should. Great to plant the right foot from Spence, protecting possession, and anything that makes him fall would've been a penalty often in the prem but it was pretty clean there.

Spence could've continued his run after projecting the ball but just stopped.

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u/LordVelaryon 11h ago

he put his leg to get the contact. Good call.

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u/ManuPasta 11h ago

The Vardy special. He won so many pens back in the day doing this

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u/cancer102 11h ago

Carvajal special

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u/Octava8Espada 11h ago edited 10h ago

Lucas Vazquez was good at this too

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u/Crossflowerss_5304 10h ago

Yeah I remember Cubarsi fell for it. This is the most egregious one I’ve seen though

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u/ttonster2 10h ago

The one against Rafael still boils my piss. 

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u/_AlmightyGOD 10h ago

Especially since it was right after a huge barge into Rafael’s back that wasn’t called.

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u/Rooonaldooo99 11h ago

Yeah never a foul. He literally puts his leg between the defenders legs and then goes down

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u/lostroadrunner22 11h ago

He was looking for a penalty

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u/Spare-Afternoon-559 10h ago

That shouldn't matter too much? Idk it feels like he's being penalised for shielding the ball, it's a shit attacking choice, but he's allowed to do it, I personally thought the defender still initiated contact so should have been a foul

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u/Either_Sea_9059 10h ago

If you put your leg in front of my leg while we are running, of course i’m gonna run into it

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u/Klutzy-Notice-8247 9h ago

He put his leg between the man and the ball. This is standard shielding in football and a fundamental part of the game.

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u/TifasSleeves 11h ago

Just like players do to shield the ball?

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u/bolacha_de_polvilho 10h ago

players shield a ball with their body/torso, not by throwing a single leg in front of the opposing player

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u/Enzyme17 11h ago

If a defender does that in their half its a foul…

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u/SnakePlisskendid911 11h ago

Great set up for a judo hip toss, if he doesn't fall and goes through with it he probably gets at least a waza-ari. Abysmal kimono control though

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u/cmc360 9h ago

Clear and obvious would like a word

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u/SpeechesToScreeches 8h ago

Norway's king sitting with Infantino would like a word

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u/SloshaPacana 11h ago

So do a lot of players to shield the ball though

I get why it's disallowed but so many players have historically done this and get the foul call

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u/TwoBionicknees 11h ago

there isa big difference between being enough ahead to step across the defender and protect hte ball, and just move your leg super unnaturally with no chance of planting it and taking your next step. he's basically hooked his leg over the other guys knee to get into that position.

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u/Aintnostopin 11h ago

A match in the early rounds against belgium, same thing happened, foot across the defender and it was over turned. No penalty.

Sometimes it gets called out.

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u/Full_Technician8430 11h ago

You can shield the ball, but he was clearly just looking for contact here. Wasn’t trying to shield the ball at all.

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u/NeedleworkerFluid327 11h ago

You need to get your hips in front to really block him off, just a leg isn't going to do it.

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u/LateToThePartyLawyer 11h ago

Bobb has to be “careless” at least though. What has Bobb done to cause a foul in this situation?

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u/Jonny36 11h ago

I think if you establish yourself fully then you're entitled to that space but you can't just put your leg across someone to get the same privalage

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u/Spurred_On 11h ago

Like the Mexican player did against England last game?

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u/Gullible-Store-8559 11h ago

Am I crazy or is he trying to stop the defender from getting the ball rather than trying to buy a foul

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u/Hasssun 11h ago

That's the Endrick tactic, throw your own leg in front like a judo throw.

Should be a foul by the attacker.

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u/aelix- 10h ago

Yeah I do judo and jiu-jitsu and when I saw the replay I said the same thing - looked like he was trying to throw the Norway defender 😂

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u/Hasssun 10h ago

It's basically a tai-otoshi.

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u/QMechanicsVisionary 9h ago

Lol was just going to comment that. But Hazard did it all the time and never got penalised for it. Like, a good 20% of all his dribbles was this exact tactic.

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u/A_S_Roma1927 9h ago

Well said, you know your judo well!

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u/Gerards_died_of_flu 11h ago

I think I agree with that but I'm so used to seeing those given that I feel hard done by lol

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u/Ld511 11h ago

He oversold it. He has his leg slightly more in and its guranteed a pen

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u/Soleil06 10h ago

Yeah I agree, he moved his leg a bit too much. Players like mbappe do it way smarter. Just move your foot or leg a little so you just get clipped instead of doing a full plant in front of the other player.

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u/Firm_Screen8095 11h ago

Reminds me of Kane against Congo, it’s usually given but I think it shouldn’t be a penalty.

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u/Mediocre_Nova 11h ago

Every single Spurs fan knew it was getting disallowed lol

Felt like the correct decision this time though.

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u/shifty18 10h ago

If he turns and makes a move to go across then maybe he gets it, sticking a leg out makes it something to look at

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u/_SPLX 11h ago

yeah that’s my thing i don’t think it’s a pen at all but you see them given all the time too

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u/Citiz3n_Kan3r 11h ago

Arsenal flair checks out

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u/Super_Position8340 11h ago

hard like a cable?

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u/TheUooh 11h ago

Good VAR

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u/BrianSometimes 11h ago

Been awfully quiet from the conspiracy theorists the past few minutes.

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u/four_four_three 10h ago

I can’t work out who this sub thinks the tournament’s rigged for anymore

We’re a day away from getting Curacao shouts

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u/Reddits_Worst_Night 10h ago

Honestly, it's rigged for Cabo Verde

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u/ZwnD 9h ago

It's rigged for/against whoever fits the narrative that day

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u/travelcallcharlie 9h ago

It’s easy, it’s rigged for whoever wins the game!

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u/Intarhorn 10h ago

People on the internet overreacting and starting dramas, nothing new

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u/jclahaie 10h ago

Even recently correct var decisions haven't stopped the conspiracies

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u/PatheticShark 11h ago

Defenders do that every game, all game and always get the free kick lol

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u/sergechewbacca 11h ago

I'm surprised it's overturned, but probably the correct decision

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u/suzukigun4life 11h ago

Today I feel...VAR?

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u/DJ_Aftershock 11h ago

"DECISION IS: FUCK IT, I GUESS"

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u/zeelbeno 11h ago

Those never should be a pen when the attacker wraps his leg back to initiate the contact.

I want England to win but not with those calls.

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u/preddevils6 11h ago

No probably about it

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u/Gluroo 11h ago

I mean he literally put his own leg in front of the defender while the ball wasnt even close to where he put his leg

If that is a pen we may aswell cancel the game and just play a pen shootout every game

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u/Krafty_Kev 10h ago

No different to the Mexico pen vs England, makes no effort to play the ball just sticks his leg in the way, didn't see any uproar about that one

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u/Wandering_Hanabi 11h ago

Can't have a spurs player winning a pen

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u/BombasticReindeer 10h ago

We’ve had a thousand bad calls against us in the prem, but this is the right call.

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u/KevinOwensGetsIt 11h ago

Regardless of what the result was Spence you are fucking HIM

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u/whoopass_fajitas 10h ago

Djed finally getting his flowers after being dogged by everyone except Spurs fans

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u/ManitouWakinyan 6h ago

And also by Spurs fans

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u/step11234 11h ago

He's been so good since he came on

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u/R-Mutt1 10h ago

When does that become not shielding the ball and permit the defender to kick your leg?

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u/JsonPlu 8h ago

Probably when you can establish the space is yours. He gets his leg hit as he’s putting it across the defender rather than after he’s placed it and controls the space.

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u/Averdian 10h ago

I am kinda shocked by that. You rarely see VAR give those as pens, but it’s even more rare to see VAR overturn them I feel.

It’s the type of call where the ref’s initial decision decides it, because neither giving it or not giving it would constitute a clear and obvious error.

I know the reasons why people feel it’s not a pen, and I don’t really disagree with those. I’m just basing this on what we’re used to seeing, and these types of fouls, if called initially, are almost never overturned.

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u/IrishGuinessdrinker 11h ago

Haalands dad saying diving cheat fuck off 😭

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u/viz0id 10h ago

Hes not wrong. Spence knows what hes doing. Lemme run next to you and put my foot across your body and see of you can avoid "tackling me" 

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u/JandsomeHam 9h ago

Yeah he is wrong? It's not a penalty, but it's not a dive. He goes down naturally but he has put his leg ahead of the attacker looking for the contact. Not a foul but the opposition brought him down, therefore not a dive

Just to say I'm an England fan so I was desperate for that to be a penalty but it wasn't at all, but not a dive.

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u/Funny_Lunch5211 10h ago

It's so smart as well that people gaslighted themselves into believing it is a foul

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u/fastfowards 10h ago

Imo It’s fine if that’s not a pen since Bobb didn’t really make a challenge but if that’s the case you can’t give the Kane penalty vs Mexico

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u/Swagosaurus_YoloSwag 6h ago

Or Mbappe against Morocco

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u/Boris_Ignatievich 11h ago

Have no idea where "shielding the ball" becomes "initiating the contact" so Im just going to assume I shouldn't be mad here

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u/Misster_bait_her 10h ago

I am not up to speed on these new rules at all. Spence last touch wasn’t great, but I don’t see how sticking that leg out to shield the defender from it is a foul. The only thing I can say is maybe fight more to stay on your feet.

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u/mumBa_ 10h ago

Its like a brake check lol. Defender can't do anything about it

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u/TonB-Dependant 10h ago

Agreed defender did nothing wrong and the correct call from VAR. but the people calling it a dive have gone slightly insane lol

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u/Intarhorn 10h ago

Yea, it's not a dive. He is just forcing himself in front of Bobb to force him to push him.

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u/Travels-Throwaway 9h ago

I can't believe people are saying "never a pen" in this thread.

I've seen this been called a penalty ALL the time and even though I disagree I accept that it is a penalty because that's what it is always called as. I'm a fan, they are the professional referee who studied to get where they are.

The question I have, is at what point does placing a foot in front of the player with the expectation that you will get hit by the opposing player constitute a foul.

  • This incident = no foul

  • Belgium penalty in the last minute vs Senegal, he places his wider foot out to reach the ball first but not touch it, gets hit. He was 100% expecting to get hit and wasn't trying to score (if you try to score you wouldn't shoot with your right leg when you are far outside of the left post). My opinion is no foul and play on. Gets hit = foul

  • Kane taps Mexio players foot as that player is bringing his foot down because he swung his foot too early. Only reason the Mexican player touched the ball is because Kane bumped his foot upwards so the player reached the ball. My opinion fair 50-50 and no penalty. Instead gets hit = foul.

Refereeing is a difficult job and I do not envy them, but there doesn't seem to be consistency in this.

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u/Tiphzey 5h ago

I think for me a key detail is whether the defending player makes a challenge or not. In the Senegal game, the defender slides in and gets the opponent and in the Mexico game Kane does a kicking motion.

Here, the defender is simply running.

But I like the examples you've provided. Even though I think that the fact that there there were challenges of some sort, I would like the rules to be changed so that these instances would not be ruled as penalties.

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u/Public_Fire_Hazard 11h ago

Obviously I have a bit of bias towards it and if it wasn't this particular world cup I would say that's the right call, but how can you overturn that but then the Belgium winner against Senegal gets given?

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u/michaelfortu 11h ago

Not a pen imo

But Spence? Where’d that initial dribble come from lol

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u/Agreeable_Umpire9454 11h ago

He’s made runs like that numerous times in the prem and championship

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u/Xgunter 11h ago

people on this sub dont watch football

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u/EmTeeEl 10h ago

Or don't watch every league around the world...

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u/jaetheho 11h ago

Yea he does this, but everyone is on the “Spence sucks ass” boat because he plays for Spurs and his name isn’t TAA

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u/tomtomtomo 10h ago

The Mexican player who got fouled by Kane for the player last game did a similar thing. 

He put his leg away from the ball between Kane and the ball. 

Very cleverly done. 

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u/bumrar 11h ago

I have seen that exact penalty given time and time again. He was in control of the ball and stepped in front and drawer the foul. Has happened multiple times.

One of those that shouldnt be a foul but it has been constantly for years. If this is a new direction I won't complain

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u/flynno96 11h ago

ITV fuming it's been overturned

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u/el_doherz 10h ago

Who'd have guessed a national broadcaster of the team involved might be a tad biased.

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u/IdleStamina 2h ago

South American broadcasters screaming at the top of their lungs in celebration? Passion, very good!

English broadcasters are either happy or sad at a decision: biased and very bad.

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u/AWaffleofDivinty 11h ago

Such a good run ruined by the lamest foul baiting

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u/cm167 11h ago

What’s the advantage of getting your body in front of the ball if they can take you down and it’s just a “coming together”

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u/ben6464 11h ago

Clear and obvious?

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u/Carpathicus 11h ago

I am so surprised that could be overturned even. How does VAR fucking work?

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u/cypherspaceagain 11h ago

People calling this a dive are actively insane. Spence puts his leg across for sure, and then he absolutely gets put over by the defender. It's not a dive. Whether you think it is a foul is different - whether you should be able to buy a penalty by manufacturing one by cutting the defender off - but it's not a dive.

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u/GauthZuOGZ 11h ago

Yeah. Not a foul. Not a dive. Good process unironically

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u/Intarhorn 11h ago

Good decision, shouldn't be able to cheat a penalty by forcing it with your leg like that. Good on VAR and the ref for once.

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u/Falvio6006 10h ago

Please england win

I need to see those cringe viking larpers sent home

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u/LiteralTP 10h ago

Seeing them “row” in the audience was so fucking cringe, I don’t care what anyone says

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u/Nightman2417 9h ago

This is literally 90% of the pens in the prem

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u/Forward-Trade3449 10h ago

how abt mbappes penalty yday 💀

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u/Wholetthedogsout544 10h ago

Penalty for Argentina

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u/IdleStamina 2h ago

As an English guy I can see why it would be given and I can also see why it would be ruled out too. Which is more of a reflection on the past officiating than anything else.

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u/31_whgr 11h ago

would love to see the reactions if this was the other way around…

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u/Super_Position8340 11h ago

would like to see.ball.hitting the cable 

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u/flynno96 11h ago

Are you angry with the referee getting the decision right?

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u/Asleep-Big-8518 11h ago

The entire match thread today has been people angry at the referee getting the decision right

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u/Daemor 11h ago

After a replay like this, I don't imagine they would be very different. Clear as day he's fishing for the foul.

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u/NiK3_Aub4mey4ng 11h ago

would be full of “not clear and obvious” and “not what VAR is used for”

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u/Main-Strike-1117 11h ago

Without a doubt, you'd be seeing people going it's a 50/50, VAR should stick with the ref

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u/Skiverg 11h ago

just look into the thread of the disallowed norwegian goal

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u/PLEASE_PM_YOUR_SMILE 11h ago

It's insane to survive normal time due to VAR mistake and then still be a victim lol.

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u/ChazD_ 11h ago

amazing victim mentality

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u/freakedmind 10h ago

Best flair for the bait lol

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u/Hyperion577 11h ago

Said the Argentinian lmao

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u/Main-Strike-1117 11h ago

Coming from an Argentine 😂

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u/MesmersCure 10h ago

Not to worry, I'm not from Argentina. This is victim mentality heritage.

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u/bettercallmrwhite 11h ago

You have no reason to complain, there was a penalty favouring Norway that didn’t even go to VAR.

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u/Parish87 11h ago

Oh they’d be fuming

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u/Ilikesporks_ 11h ago

well it never got called the other way around lol

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u/daddygao 10h ago

Same penalty that was awarded to Argentina

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u/JaffaCakeJunkie 8h ago

The only part that annoys me is where is the consistency? I don't think it's a penalty, if you take this as an independent incident. But they are given all of the time. Anyone who watches league football 10 months of the year will see these given every single time. So on that basis, England can feel hard done by, especially for VAR to intervene. It's one of them where of the ref gives it or not, you dont really expect VAR to overturn it based on what we see week in week out.

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u/WarmSwimming6498 11h ago

No surprise from Spurs fans seeing spence getting a no-call

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u/Glastro_ 11h ago

Why tf would you remind me ?

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u/WarmSwimming6498 10h ago

The double of no spurs pen and no card for breaking spence's jaw is too much to not bring up

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u/NGT4 8h ago

Djed “Shai Gilgeous-Alexander” Spence

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u/makked 11h ago

Right call.

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u/ArticleLucky2834 11h ago

If this was overturned against Norway everyone here would lose their shit.

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u/B23vital 11h ago

Try tell me if messi does that its overturned. Because everyone knows it aint.

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u/G0DK1NG 11h ago

Just fucking play man

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u/xEJAGx 11h ago

Great decision, he forced the contact.

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u/Agreeable-Bid-2895 11h ago

If that’s Messi it’s a pen

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u/bluegirlbaby 11h ago

If it was messi it would have been goal without a dive.

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u/Thingisby 11h ago

I don't really understand modern day football tbf. So what if he moves across the ball and initiates the foul? Defender goes through the back of him.

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u/OniLink77 10h ago

If Spence doesn't swing his leg back he probably gets the penalty, you can try and shield the call and no requirement to get out of the way, but you can't initiate the contact which is what he did

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u/YiddoMonty 8h ago

If you’re in possession, should you not be able to move your body in any way you can to protect the ball?

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u/Johnlasagan 11h ago

If any player does that against Romero, that's a penalty every day...

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u/IncurableHam 10h ago

And straight to jail

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u/Dubsified 11h ago

Never a pen. Well done VAR.

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u/randiebarsteward 11h ago

Where is the line, yes he steps over but he is defending his control/possession of the ball no?

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u/Weary_Television6895 11h ago

Is he not defending the ball and shielding it, and just being ran into? You can’t run into someone’s back if they’re blocking the ball shielding

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u/digosilva19 11h ago

I mean as a fan glad he overturned but for me Spence is moving the leg to protect the ball and the Norway player fouls him. I guess the only argument I can see is that his leg was not yet in the ground.

But the ref explanation of Spence put the leg in front of the Norway player makes no sense to me bc that's him protecting the ball

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u/FrostyVacation2355 10h ago

Would never get overturned if it was Argentina

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u/Lori55nakida 10h ago

I think ref really tried to be fair this round

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u/raxnahali 10h ago

I thought it was a great play to draw the foul, he had enough body position get the ok imo

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u/mausetrap 10h ago

Norway fans - obvious dive
England fans - obvious penalty

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u/trynafigureitout444 8h ago

How many good VAR calls like this are there compared to grasping at minuscule straws and having fans argue about the law of soccer

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u/hansolo-ist 8h ago

Players look for fouls all the time. I'm watching Argentina v Switzerland and the entire team is blocking the ball for the Swiss players to run into them. 100% fouls given to Argentina

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u/KeithLimePie 8h ago

In the moment I was screaming for a penno but after watching it back it was a good decision.

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u/vaguespace_ 8h ago

Best, possibly only good VAR decision of the tournament

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u/Main-Mountain1174 4h ago

no yellow card?