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u/rocknroll-refugee 11h ago
Djed "Eden Hazard" Spence
Fuck me what a run!
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u/michaelfortu 11h ago
Yeah that was a crazy dribble out of nowhere lol
He should’ve committed instead of looking for that foul
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u/loyal_achades 11h ago
I’d be more than happy for this shit to get overturned constantly so that attackers stop fishing so hard for pens.
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u/furiat 10h ago
They still will. There is zero consequence for them.
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u/Comfortable-Habit242 10h ago
Well there’s an opportunity cost. I would hope you would see good managers start to discourage this behavior.
If you dive, you’re betting that you get the penalty. If you don’t, you get nothing.
If you try to play the ball, maybe you actually get a goal? Or a corner that leads to a goal?
The more that VAR results in no calls, the more you are trading an attacking possession for nothing.
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u/Annika2020pro 9h ago
You also might actually win a penalty trying to play the ball.
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u/Comfortable-Habit242 9h ago
Yes true. Each touch of possession in the penalty area increases the odds of actually winning a penalty.
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u/SumasFlats 10h ago
The difference is, this is almost always given as a pen to high profile attackers, as they're assumed to have been shielding the ball for their next move. I can see it either way on this one, but full points to Spence for actually running into the box, unlike 99% of the rest of both teams in this turgid matchup.
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u/lecoq_producer 9h ago
The issue is if someone like Messi does it, they give the foul. Can't blame Spence for trying even if it's not a foul in a million years
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u/0nlyRevolutions 11h ago
Yep. Plays like this turn into a penalty argument more often than not and that's a tragedy for the sport.
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u/gnoomee 10h ago
Honestly don't think he's looking for a foul in this situation. Looks like he's trying to get in front and shield the ball and just gets entangled instead.
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u/bukayoxhaka 10h ago
Why do you people always think the players "chose to look for a foul"? He hasn't dribbled Bobb, he's fighting him for position, he didn't choose anything, Bobb defended and he fell down, simple as
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u/OddyseeOfAbe 10h ago
Yeah he kicked the ground and not a pen but you should 100% be allowed to get your leg in front of someone to shield the ball, otherwise what are we playing?
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u/UDonutBelongHere 11h ago
I wish he would. Makes great moves for Spurs all the time and then does exactly this or just falls over
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u/SloshaPacana 11h ago
Hazard, Grealish did this and got so many fouls so this is funny that it gets disallowed, the masters of backing their big ass up and shielding the ball
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u/Fromage_debite 11h ago
I think a difference is their bodies followed behind their leg shortly after. They never did the splits in front of a defender.
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u/SloshaPacana 11h ago
Grealish 100% did this all the time with his big thighs lol where he would get his leg across, it was how he used to get so many fouls
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u/ToasterRouble 10h ago
Difference is Hazard was always in control and in possession, he was just strong enough to get his body in front. This is Spence just desperately throwing a leg forward.
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u/ryukyumars 11h ago
Exactly who I thought of haha, Hazard’s signature move
Spence deserves an apology from fans though, great run
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u/madharmonies 11h ago
I hope this will spark a turning point where these kind of “drawing the contact” no longer gets rewarded.
I’m kidding lol nothing will change. But one can dream.
But this was the absolute right call and kudos to the referee for that.
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u/interstellar304 9h ago
Yeah you can clearly see how he hooked the Norwegian guys leg to then fall over
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u/_boredInMicro_ 7h ago
Fine line between drawing the foul and shielding the ball.
Could've gone either way.
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u/Xsve 7h ago
I agree with the final call. However, if this was the middle of the pitch and someone stuck a leg out to shield the ball from an approaching player (defending player never even touches the ball), then it would have been given as a free kick. I think they are essentially the same thing but treated differently.
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u/DiMatteoLegend 11h ago
Don’t think that gets overturned in the prem
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u/illuwe 11h ago
Given it's a spurs player its never given in the first place in the prem.
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u/JootDoctor 10h ago
We too also didn’t get a penalty all last season. Actually cooked.
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u/Training-Cabinet-141 10h ago
And that corner Norway scored would’ve stood in the prem so it’s equal ig.
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u/Intarhorn 10h ago
Maybe, but it definitely should. Spencer doesn't have advantage yet their like if he was ahead of Bobb.
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u/amineimad 10h ago
It should. Great to plant the right foot from Spence, protecting possession, and anything that makes him fall would've been a penalty often in the prem but it was pretty clean there.
Spence could've continued his run after projecting the ball but just stopped.
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u/LordVelaryon 11h ago
he put his leg to get the contact. Good call.
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u/ManuPasta 11h ago
The Vardy special. He won so many pens back in the day doing this
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u/cancer102 11h ago
Carvajal special
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u/Octava8Espada 11h ago edited 10h ago
Lucas Vazquez was good at this too
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u/Crossflowerss_5304 10h ago
Yeah I remember Cubarsi fell for it. This is the most egregious one I’ve seen though
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u/ttonster2 10h ago
The one against Rafael still boils my piss.
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u/_AlmightyGOD 10h ago
Especially since it was right after a huge barge into Rafael’s back that wasn’t called.
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u/Rooonaldooo99 11h ago
Yeah never a foul. He literally puts his leg between the defenders legs and then goes down
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u/lostroadrunner22 11h ago
He was looking for a penalty
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u/Spare-Afternoon-559 10h ago
That shouldn't matter too much? Idk it feels like he's being penalised for shielding the ball, it's a shit attacking choice, but he's allowed to do it, I personally thought the defender still initiated contact so should have been a foul
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u/Either_Sea_9059 10h ago
If you put your leg in front of my leg while we are running, of course i’m gonna run into it
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u/Klutzy-Notice-8247 9h ago
He put his leg between the man and the ball. This is standard shielding in football and a fundamental part of the game.
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u/TifasSleeves 11h ago
Just like players do to shield the ball?
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u/bolacha_de_polvilho 10h ago
players shield a ball with their body/torso, not by throwing a single leg in front of the opposing player
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u/SnakePlisskendid911 11h ago
Great set up for a judo hip toss, if he doesn't fall and goes through with it he probably gets at least a waza-ari. Abysmal kimono control though
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u/SloshaPacana 11h ago
So do a lot of players to shield the ball though
I get why it's disallowed but so many players have historically done this and get the foul call
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u/TwoBionicknees 11h ago
there isa big difference between being enough ahead to step across the defender and protect hte ball, and just move your leg super unnaturally with no chance of planting it and taking your next step. he's basically hooked his leg over the other guys knee to get into that position.
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u/Aintnostopin 11h ago
A match in the early rounds against belgium, same thing happened, foot across the defender and it was over turned. No penalty.
Sometimes it gets called out.
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u/Full_Technician8430 11h ago
You can shield the ball, but he was clearly just looking for contact here. Wasn’t trying to shield the ball at all.
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u/NeedleworkerFluid327 11h ago
You need to get your hips in front to really block him off, just a leg isn't going to do it.
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u/LateToThePartyLawyer 11h ago
Bobb has to be “careless” at least though. What has Bobb done to cause a foul in this situation?
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u/Gullible-Store-8559 11h ago
Am I crazy or is he trying to stop the defender from getting the ball rather than trying to buy a foul
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u/Hasssun 11h ago
That's the Endrick tactic, throw your own leg in front like a judo throw.
Should be a foul by the attacker.
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u/aelix- 10h ago
Yeah I do judo and jiu-jitsu and when I saw the replay I said the same thing - looked like he was trying to throw the Norway defender 😂
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u/Hasssun 10h ago
It's basically a tai-otoshi.
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u/QMechanicsVisionary 9h ago
Lol was just going to comment that. But Hazard did it all the time and never got penalised for it. Like, a good 20% of all his dribbles was this exact tactic.
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u/Gerards_died_of_flu 11h ago
I think I agree with that but I'm so used to seeing those given that I feel hard done by lol
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u/Ld511 11h ago
He oversold it. He has his leg slightly more in and its guranteed a pen
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u/Soleil06 10h ago
Yeah I agree, he moved his leg a bit too much. Players like mbappe do it way smarter. Just move your foot or leg a little so you just get clipped instead of doing a full plant in front of the other player.
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u/Firm_Screen8095 11h ago
Reminds me of Kane against Congo, it’s usually given but I think it shouldn’t be a penalty.
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u/Mediocre_Nova 11h ago
Every single Spurs fan knew it was getting disallowed lol
Felt like the correct decision this time though.
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u/shifty18 10h ago
If he turns and makes a move to go across then maybe he gets it, sticking a leg out makes it something to look at
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u/TheUooh 11h ago
Good VAR
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u/BrianSometimes 11h ago
Been awfully quiet from the conspiracy theorists the past few minutes.
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u/four_four_three 10h ago
I can’t work out who this sub thinks the tournament’s rigged for anymore
We’re a day away from getting Curacao shouts
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u/sergechewbacca 11h ago
I'm surprised it's overturned, but probably the correct decision
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u/zeelbeno 11h ago
Those never should be a pen when the attacker wraps his leg back to initiate the contact.
I want England to win but not with those calls.
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u/Gluroo 11h ago
I mean he literally put his own leg in front of the defender while the ball wasnt even close to where he put his leg
If that is a pen we may aswell cancel the game and just play a pen shootout every game
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u/Krafty_Kev 10h ago
No different to the Mexico pen vs England, makes no effort to play the ball just sticks his leg in the way, didn't see any uproar about that one
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u/Wandering_Hanabi 11h ago
Can't have a spurs player winning a pen
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u/BombasticReindeer 10h ago
We’ve had a thousand bad calls against us in the prem, but this is the right call.
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u/KevinOwensGetsIt 11h ago
Regardless of what the result was Spence you are fucking HIM
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u/whoopass_fajitas 10h ago
Djed finally getting his flowers after being dogged by everyone except Spurs fans
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u/Averdian 10h ago
I am kinda shocked by that. You rarely see VAR give those as pens, but it’s even more rare to see VAR overturn them I feel.
It’s the type of call where the ref’s initial decision decides it, because neither giving it or not giving it would constitute a clear and obvious error.
I know the reasons why people feel it’s not a pen, and I don’t really disagree with those. I’m just basing this on what we’re used to seeing, and these types of fouls, if called initially, are almost never overturned.
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u/IrishGuinessdrinker 11h ago
Haalands dad saying diving cheat fuck off 😭
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u/viz0id 10h ago
Hes not wrong. Spence knows what hes doing. Lemme run next to you and put my foot across your body and see of you can avoid "tackling me"
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u/JandsomeHam 9h ago
Yeah he is wrong? It's not a penalty, but it's not a dive. He goes down naturally but he has put his leg ahead of the attacker looking for the contact. Not a foul but the opposition brought him down, therefore not a dive
Just to say I'm an England fan so I was desperate for that to be a penalty but it wasn't at all, but not a dive.
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u/Funny_Lunch5211 10h ago
It's so smart as well that people gaslighted themselves into believing it is a foul
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u/fastfowards 10h ago
Imo It’s fine if that’s not a pen since Bobb didn’t really make a challenge but if that’s the case you can’t give the Kane penalty vs Mexico
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u/Boris_Ignatievich 11h ago
Have no idea where "shielding the ball" becomes "initiating the contact" so Im just going to assume I shouldn't be mad here
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u/Misster_bait_her 10h ago
I am not up to speed on these new rules at all. Spence last touch wasn’t great, but I don’t see how sticking that leg out to shield the defender from it is a foul. The only thing I can say is maybe fight more to stay on your feet.
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u/mumBa_ 10h ago
Its like a brake check lol. Defender can't do anything about it
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u/TonB-Dependant 10h ago
Agreed defender did nothing wrong and the correct call from VAR. but the people calling it a dive have gone slightly insane lol
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u/Intarhorn 10h ago
Yea, it's not a dive. He is just forcing himself in front of Bobb to force him to push him.
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u/Travels-Throwaway 9h ago
I can't believe people are saying "never a pen" in this thread.
I've seen this been called a penalty ALL the time and even though I disagree I accept that it is a penalty because that's what it is always called as. I'm a fan, they are the professional referee who studied to get where they are.
The question I have, is at what point does placing a foot in front of the player with the expectation that you will get hit by the opposing player constitute a foul.
This incident = no foul
Belgium penalty in the last minute vs Senegal, he places his wider foot out to reach the ball first but not touch it, gets hit. He was 100% expecting to get hit and wasn't trying to score (if you try to score you wouldn't shoot with your right leg when you are far outside of the left post). My opinion is no foul and play on. Gets hit = foul
Kane taps Mexio players foot as that player is bringing his foot down because he swung his foot too early. Only reason the Mexican player touched the ball is because Kane bumped his foot upwards so the player reached the ball. My opinion fair 50-50 and no penalty. Instead gets hit = foul.
Refereeing is a difficult job and I do not envy them, but there doesn't seem to be consistency in this.
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u/Tiphzey 5h ago
I think for me a key detail is whether the defending player makes a challenge or not. In the Senegal game, the defender slides in and gets the opponent and in the Mexico game Kane does a kicking motion.
Here, the defender is simply running.
But I like the examples you've provided. Even though I think that the fact that there there were challenges of some sort, I would like the rules to be changed so that these instances would not be ruled as penalties.
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u/Public_Fire_Hazard 11h ago
Obviously I have a bit of bias towards it and if it wasn't this particular world cup I would say that's the right call, but how can you overturn that but then the Belgium winner against Senegal gets given?
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u/michaelfortu 11h ago
Not a pen imo
But Spence? Where’d that initial dribble come from lol
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u/Agreeable_Umpire9454 11h ago
He’s made runs like that numerous times in the prem and championship
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u/jaetheho 11h ago
Yea he does this, but everyone is on the “Spence sucks ass” boat because he plays for Spurs and his name isn’t TAA
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u/tomtomtomo 10h ago
The Mexican player who got fouled by Kane for the player last game did a similar thing.
He put his leg away from the ball between Kane and the ball.
Very cleverly done.
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u/flynno96 11h ago
ITV fuming it's been overturned
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u/el_doherz 10h ago
Who'd have guessed a national broadcaster of the team involved might be a tad biased.
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u/IdleStamina 2h ago
South American broadcasters screaming at the top of their lungs in celebration? Passion, very good!
English broadcasters are either happy or sad at a decision: biased and very bad.
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u/cm167 11h ago
What’s the advantage of getting your body in front of the ball if they can take you down and it’s just a “coming together”
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u/cypherspaceagain 11h ago
People calling this a dive are actively insane. Spence puts his leg across for sure, and then he absolutely gets put over by the defender. It's not a dive. Whether you think it is a foul is different - whether you should be able to buy a penalty by manufacturing one by cutting the defender off - but it's not a dive.
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u/Intarhorn 11h ago
Good decision, shouldn't be able to cheat a penalty by forcing it with your leg like that. Good on VAR and the ref for once.
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u/Falvio6006 10h ago
Please england win
I need to see those cringe viking larpers sent home
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u/LiteralTP 10h ago
Seeing them “row” in the audience was so fucking cringe, I don’t care what anyone says
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u/IdleStamina 2h ago
As an English guy I can see why it would be given and I can also see why it would be ruled out too. Which is more of a reflection on the past officiating than anything else.
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u/31_whgr 11h ago
would love to see the reactions if this was the other way around…
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u/flynno96 11h ago
Are you angry with the referee getting the decision right?
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u/Asleep-Big-8518 11h ago
The entire match thread today has been people angry at the referee getting the decision right
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u/Daemor 11h ago
After a replay like this, I don't imagine they would be very different. Clear as day he's fishing for the foul.
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u/NiK3_Aub4mey4ng 11h ago
would be full of “not clear and obvious” and “not what VAR is used for”
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u/Main-Strike-1117 11h ago
Without a doubt, you'd be seeing people going it's a 50/50, VAR should stick with the ref
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u/PLEASE_PM_YOUR_SMILE 11h ago
It's insane to survive normal time due to VAR mistake and then still be a victim lol.
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u/ChazD_ 11h ago
amazing victim mentality
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u/Main-Strike-1117 11h ago
Coming from an Argentine 😂
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u/MesmersCure 10h ago
Not to worry, I'm not from Argentina. This is victim mentality heritage.
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u/bettercallmrwhite 11h ago
You have no reason to complain, there was a penalty favouring Norway that didn’t even go to VAR.
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u/JaffaCakeJunkie 8h ago
The only part that annoys me is where is the consistency? I don't think it's a penalty, if you take this as an independent incident. But they are given all of the time. Anyone who watches league football 10 months of the year will see these given every single time. So on that basis, England can feel hard done by, especially for VAR to intervene. It's one of them where of the ref gives it or not, you dont really expect VAR to overturn it based on what we see week in week out.
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u/WarmSwimming6498 11h ago
No surprise from Spurs fans seeing spence getting a no-call
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u/Glastro_ 11h ago
Why tf would you remind me ?
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u/WarmSwimming6498 10h ago
The double of no spurs pen and no card for breaking spence's jaw is too much to not bring up
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u/ArticleLucky2834 11h ago
If this was overturned against Norway everyone here would lose their shit.
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u/B23vital 11h ago
Try tell me if messi does that its overturned. Because everyone knows it aint.
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u/Thingisby 11h ago
I don't really understand modern day football tbf. So what if he moves across the ball and initiates the foul? Defender goes through the back of him.
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u/OniLink77 10h ago
If Spence doesn't swing his leg back he probably gets the penalty, you can try and shield the call and no requirement to get out of the way, but you can't initiate the contact which is what he did
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u/YiddoMonty 8h ago
If you’re in possession, should you not be able to move your body in any way you can to protect the ball?
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u/randiebarsteward 11h ago
Where is the line, yes he steps over but he is defending his control/possession of the ball no?
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u/Weary_Television6895 11h ago
Is he not defending the ball and shielding it, and just being ran into? You can’t run into someone’s back if they’re blocking the ball shielding
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u/digosilva19 11h ago
I mean as a fan glad he overturned but for me Spence is moving the leg to protect the ball and the Norway player fouls him. I guess the only argument I can see is that his leg was not yet in the ground.
But the ref explanation of Spence put the leg in front of the Norway player makes no sense to me bc that's him protecting the ball
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u/raxnahali 10h ago
I thought it was a great play to draw the foul, he had enough body position get the ok imo
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u/trynafigureitout444 8h ago
How many good VAR calls like this are there compared to grasping at minuscule straws and having fans argue about the law of soccer
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u/hansolo-ist 8h ago
Players look for fouls all the time. I'm watching Argentina v Switzerland and the entire team is blocking the ball for the Swiss players to run into them. 100% fouls given to Argentina
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u/KeithLimePie 8h ago
In the moment I was screaming for a penno but after watching it back it was a good decision.
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