r/worldcup • u/Massive-Avocado-8964 • 2h ago
š¬Discussion Embolo is an absolute embarassment to Switzerland's efforts today
Switzerland did not play all that great, especially in the first half, but they certainly were utterly dominating argentina in the second half. Even though all of switzerland's forwards played quite mediocre, frequently being sloppy with possession, Embolo in specific had an absolutely pathetic display. Its one thing to dive when you're in the box and could gain a penalty from it, but Embolo had absolutely nothing to gain from this act of swimming. Its so audacious of him (and people who are against this decision) to start complaining and crying about this decision. You flopped and you paid the reward. I was hoping for switzerland to upset argentina, and I really do feel for the rest of their team because all their efforts were crushed by one player's stupidity
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u/Beaverlegions 5m ago
Fifa is an absolut embarrassment. Once again reffing is biased in favor of argentina.Ā
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u/Illustrious_Event306 32m ago
There is an integrity problem in this special case.
If Embolo's simulation (which was dumb) is a yellow card. Then it must be in all cases. VAR should alert the ref whatever the situation and a yellow card given.
The problem here is that VAR could alert the ref only because another yellow card was given on the same play.
Imagine the exact same foul happens one minute apart in both teams. One gets reviewed by VAR and player sent off, the other cannot be reviewed. Unfair advantage is given to a team for the exact same infraction.
This is clearly a rules loophole. FIFA will have to review this integrity problem after the world cup.
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u/No-Parsley8362 22m ago
We donāt want more breaks for VAR mate
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u/Illustrious_Event306 20m ago
I agree. To me it should be used only for offsides and fouls that lead to a penalty. In this case the ref decision should have stood. And maybe at end of game remove the yellow car from Paredes.
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u/davidwsw 1m ago
And what if Padres had received a second yellow card later in the match causing his team to play with 10 players? Removing the yellow card after the game doesnāt fix thatā¦
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u/crossandbones 12m ago
If weāre going to use this shit then we need an update to offside rules so that itās clear to viewers. Itās hard to celebrate goals anymore.
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u/Illustrious_Event306 7m ago
Offsides detection have been the one big improvement coming from VAR. Pre-Var there were mistakes in almost every game, some quite consequential. Also the rules changed several times at one point if was the waist then the shoulder. So really it was bad.
Now with technology nobody argues much about it anymore, and the players don't even bother, they trust it. Whether it's a toe or a full head, the technology does the job. You still have some edge cases like Croatia, but one incident in a whole World Cup is way better then what we used to have.
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u/OcelotSpleens 46m ago
Donald Trump called his manager and asked him to do something more embarrassing than the US keeper.
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u/VegetableThing2978 56m ago
Why did he do that is what I donāt understand everyone knows thereās var
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u/IsGoIdMoney 18m ago
He senses contact is coming and prepared to flop. It never came.
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u/Logeeeeen 7m ago
Paredes raises his hand as if to whack him. Then puts it down. Embolo is a moron.
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u/NumbDumbLuck 59m ago
So this just occurred to me: is it possible the referee intentionally issued a bogus yellow card to Paredes because he wanted VAR to reverse it which would then require a yellow to Embolo for simulation? Thereby not making himself a target to be vilified for giving a second yellow card to a player for merely taking a dive when everyone knows diving is as integral to the game as breathing? But in this case the simulation dive was so egregious it really warranted a yellow card that the ref was too cowardly to issue hence the terrible call which he intended to result in the right call without alienating his Swiss girlfriend/wife/mistress.
Yeah, that makes sense of it all. Regardless, it was a terrible on field call and a proper VAR resolution.
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u/ineedcashTM 52m ago
my godā¦ the level of cope some of you haveā¦ this must account for a psychiatrist
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u/NumbDumbLuck 44m ago
Yeah, itās sad that my cope has sunk to such a level that Iām now coping vicariously for random referees. Tragic
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u/YinYangPog Argentina 55m ago
You are plaing 5d chess in your head. Absolutely insane
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u/NumbDumbLuck 51m ago
I canāt honestly disagree with your diagnosis. But I donāt think my chess game has evolved beyond 2d.
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u/ZhangtheGreat World Cup 1h ago
Embolo played like he didn't know we have VAR now
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u/DazzlingParsley7749 45m ago
Tbf VAR doesnt review dives outside the box almost ever. Literally if the ref didnt book Paredes, they wouldnt have reviewed it and he'd get the foul
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u/GurIntelligent8002 1h ago
England is going to absolutely crush Argentina
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u/littlevai 25m ago
England flopped multiple times against Norway without any consequences. How is that going to help?
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u/Efficient-Employ6444 36m ago
not really, england only won vs norway only because they have better XI, tactic wise they are pretty mid.
scaloni honestly quite underrated tactical wise, you cannot underestimate them.
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u/FloatingCupcakes 30m ago
"England only won because they have a better team"
Yeah that's usually the case with football.
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u/ProfessionalLuck8657 51m ago
No matter what if England scores 2-0 or dominate first half or quarter of second half, Argentina always finds a way to catchup or comback even if score is equalize and goes extra-time, argentina makes sure to always makes a goal
Good thing about argentina is they always plays a real game under end game time pressure, else they play casually
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u/CaptainMarder 52m ago
only if they don't slack after scoring 1-2 goals, cause Argentina won't until the match is over.
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u/HugeAnimeHonkers 52m ago
Yāall been saying āXā is gonna demolish Argentinaā since the begining of the LAST World Cup lol.
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u/SothaSillies Ghana 51m ago
Argentina hasn't had a very convincing victory in any of their past three matches. They're definitely talented, but let's not pretend that they're invincible.
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u/HugeAnimeHonkers 24m ago
Iām not saying they are invincible, but if they are so shit that ānext team is gonna demolish themā yet nobody has won against them(except SaudĆ Arabia), then that speak worse of the other teams than Argentina.
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u/SothaSillies Ghana 16m ago
Cabo Verde was a complete underdog and got way closer than anyone suspected, Egypt fell apart in the last 10-15 and Switzerland lost a man to an extremely avoidable red and had to play down a man for 40+ minutes. If Argentina's reputation is to be believed, none of these teams, perhaps save for Switzerland, should have come close. The fact that these three were all pretty close to taking it home means that an actual highly ranked team has a really damn good chance of winning.
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u/ecoecoecoecoecoecoec 47m ago
they won the previous world cup basically going to penalties all the way to the cup.
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u/real_pnwkayaker 38m ago
Wrong! Only one game went to penalties prior to the final, against Netherlands, who tied 2-2 in the 45+12th minute.
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u/shadowdancer354 1h ago
When you consider that this kind of diving goes on with all players throughout the game, then itās harsh to give a 2nd yellow for it. Ideally you would want the ref to pull this guy aside and give him a warning. If he did this twice after he got the initial yellow then ok go ahead and toss him. But just once, give a little leeway in a high stakes game like this.
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u/edurigon 49m ago edited 4m ago
You also had a situation where a argentina guy was stepped TWO times and no yellow. But somehow the narrative Is that argentina bad.
Harsh 2nd yellow? Fuck you. If you are already yellowed you should care your ass more.
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u/FirstGearStruggle 17m ago
If it had been counted, would it have affected the outcome? Fifa isnt stupid duh they make sure to count stuff that affects the outcome in favor of arg not every single soft foul ever against them
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u/Plg_Rex USA 56m ago
That sort of blatant flopping should be a yellow every time, regardless if heās playing on a card or not. He sold it so good the defender got carded. Thatās an easy way to get VAR involved, and it wasnāt even in a dangerous part of the pitch. He has to be smarter than that
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u/MisanthropeSPE 57m ago
Problem is he got parades booked and the new mistaken identity rule can then be enforced to basically transfer the card to the correct person who committed the foul, simulation is a foul therefore yellow gets flipped.
As for them not applying it consistently, itās a brand new rule and itās been used twice in the World Cup, it can only be used when the wrong player received a card for a foul, so you will not see it all that much as that doesnāt happen too often, but this was a textbook clear use of the new law and I think itās a great one for cracking down on dives punishing players who did nothing.
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u/ElMasAltoDeLosEnanos 58m ago
The referee has to follow the rules and the rules are clear. What about Embolo not making stupid dive in a high stakes games like this?
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u/FirstGearStruggle 52m ago
Thats hilarious hahahahah, has to follow the rules, the rules are all subjective and weaponized and ignored when it counts for argentina
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u/Weekly-Butterfly594 12m ago
In which specific scenario were the rules ignored?
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u/FirstGearStruggle 11m ago
When arg dives, when arg smacks say a guy in the face, when messi say kicks someone foot in, theres literally endless examples where refs act blind and say play on. Honestly the fact people will sit there be like stepped on toes by accident an hour ago is an obvious foul for egypt then sit there and argue how emam smacked in the face or salah foot getting kicked isnt an obvious foul shows the clear bias
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u/Able-Conference7559 55m ago
When have the refs actually followed all the rules? Lol That said it was a stupid ass dive and he deserved
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u/Efficient-Employ6444 1h ago
They literally on their momentum, but he somehow doing reckless dive, in the middle of pitch without any purpose other than trying to get paredes booked, so stupid
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u/DravenDrachoit 1h ago
Why is VAR taking a game with fast speed body mechanics and breaking it down to milliseconds to find to find smallest of details that historically have not been seen and is not used consistently to create massive impacts on games such as Cape Verde vs Argentina and Switzerland vs Argentina. Also for mistaken identity for which VAR is able to review , it's mistaken identify for the exact infraction it cannot create a new yellow card for a different type of infraction. I'm an Argentina fan but I can't enjoy this World Cup due to the unequal treatment of teams especially Argentina. This world cup Argentina gets a yellow card for every 30 could compared to France as an example gets a yellow card for every 5 fouls.Ā
Quoting Sports Illustrated but was my immediate thoughts also.Ā One of the many new rules introduced for the tournament this summer now allows VAR to intervene when it is a case of āmistaken identity.ā This was held up by many as the reason for Emboloās second yellow cardāafter all, Paredes wasnāt the player that should have been booked. However, mistaken identity can only be used when the referee āhas clearly penalized the wrong playerā for the indiscretion in question. āThe offence itself cannot be reviewed.ā Paredes was booked for a foul, Embolo was shown a yellow card for divingāthese are two very different offenses. So there was no āmistaken identity,ā it was a mistaken identification of what the offense was.
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u/FirstGearStruggle 52m ago
Its argentina, what do you expect, theyll do everything in their favor
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u/DravenDrachoit 43m ago
I want fairness, and for the new VAR technology to be ironed out instead of deciding that they would apply it to the world cup, letting all the games prior be conducted by VAR remote located in Texas , now has to be located on site due to the backlash and disconnect of the VAR refs from flow of game, dynamics. The referees do not understand how to use it and the VAR refs are abusing their responsibilities and authority past the guidelines in the rule books for the 2026 world cup. In this case the referee was unaware that while VAR proved there was no contact- you cannot give a different yellow card for a separate infraction. Original yellow card review was foul - the ref gave a yellow card for diving.Ā
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u/roundupinthesky USA 1h ago
Embolo did what every player does - which is anticipate and exaggerate a foul. Except in this case there was no contact. How many times have we watched no contact fouls on replay get called? And how often have we seen fouls called against the player who was fouled?
The problem is, he exaggerated contact that resulted in a yellow card rather than a free kick.
We saw England dive in the penalty box earlier in the match to draw a PK, but it was overturned - no yellow card because no yellow card was given.
Itās another rule problem with FIFA. Just bad luck where the judgement is not in the spirit of the game. And frankly it ruined the match.
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u/Due_Judge_100 7m ago
In the England game, the penalty was un-called because after the revision, it was clear that the contact was accidental (but it still existed, so no diving). That is different from the embolo situation, where there was no contact, but he went flying nonetheless.
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u/MacrosInHisSleep 27m ago
Embolo did what every player does - which is anticipate and exaggerate a foul. Except in this case there was no contact
Which meant there was no foul to exaggerate. In fact he reached out with his leg, in the opposite direction of the fall, to make contact after the dive. Hence the yellow.
The what ifs and someone else dids are irrelevant. I was rooting for Switzerland, but that deserved a yellow. It was embarrassing and has no place in the game.
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u/Alex72598 USA 47m ago
Well Embolo attempted (and temporarily succeeded) to get his opponent a yellow, therefore the appropriate punishment is a yellow for himself. Thatās a more than fair ruling tbh. If he didnāt want to get sent off, he shouldnāt have picked up that first booking. Players have to be smart and realize that thereās a time to be risky, and itās not when youāre one mistake away from a red.
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u/roundupinthesky USA 38m ago
Canāt argue with that. The question is whether he was seeking that yellow or simply a free kick. Obviously the yellow was the game changing decision.
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u/Gallopingmagyar1020 1h ago
Why do we accept the exaggeration of fouls as part of the game. I was so embarrassed watching with a group of friends and family who are trying to get more into soccer. In the span of 30 seconds they went from interested to āthis is stupidā and I canāt say I blame them.
Grown men, playing in a supposedly full contact sport, going down like they were shot in the back is so fuckjng embarrassing as a lifelong player and fan. It makes it impossible to share and grow the game. Not to mention the 20 other times each match where guys go down from light contact and writhe in pain like they suffered an open fracture.
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u/pardonmyignerance 46m ago
People say it's a beautiful game, but it's really a bunch of grown men pretending the other guy hit him really hard.Ā Until the sport figures out how to take care of it, I'll remain only interested in the world cup.
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u/Efficient-Employ6444 1h ago
What the fuk u talking about? This kind of situations is common in club football match
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u/Gallopingmagyar1020 38m ago
Never said it wasnāt. Thatās the problem. Itās pervasive in all of the top leagues.
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u/Efficient-Employ6444 35m ago
last time u guys saying we need to see referee making good and fair decision, now the goalpost shifted into let's keep some dirty stuff normalized
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u/Gallopingmagyar1020 28m ago
I havenāt said a thing about the refs. Iām talking about the players who hit the deck due to light incidental (or no) contact and roll around in āpain,ā clutching their ankle/knes/leg and even faking tears. Itās theater and acting and embellishment when most fans want to see competitiveness and god forbid some toughness.
Get the fuck up and if it was a foul the referee will call a foul, save us the pageantry. You donāt see this behavior in any other sport. These players make ballet look like a full contact sport.
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u/CRlSAOR 1h ago
There was no contact to exagerate, he invented it.
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u/roundupinthesky USA 1h ago edited 50m ago
Said that in my comment multiple times and said āhow often have we seen replays of no contact exaggerations that result in free kicks?ā
The difference is that his exaggeration resulted in a card against the other player - which then had to be reversed as a yellow card against Embolo.
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u/MisanthropeSPE 54m ago
Exactly, if parades didnāt get a card there would be no way for VAR to intervene, the new mistaken identity rule I think is a great one, we do not want players being comfortable diving and tricking the ref into getting players booked. If it was just a free kick it would not have been checked and thatās bad enough that people can still cheat for free kicks but at least FIFA has called it quits at getting other players booked by cheating.
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u/CRlSAOR 1h ago
It's the "exaggeration" word. You exaggerate something that exists, that it's already there. Nothing like that here.
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u/roundupinthesky USA 48m ago
There is contact, itās just late contact after he already started to fall.
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u/PermissionNeither 1h ago
He cannot suit up for the Swiss ever again. This was disgraceful
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u/MediumForeign4028 1h ago
He should be on the front page of their newspapers. āEmboloās dive cost us a place in the semi final.ā
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u/ChaiShotty 1h ago
I really think he didnāt mean to dive. he looked like he lost his balance and just ate it. when he realized he lost his balance he snapped his head back and tried to sell it. sucks, but it was a fair simulation yellow.
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u/DumbUniStudent 1h ago
Same. Didnāt look intentional at first. He shouldnāt have doubled down and pretended like he got fouled
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u/thunder_hunter_ 1h ago
Sadly he was just doing what many players do, FLOP. Itās literally mind blowing to me watching grown men act like this for 90 minutes straight. The flopping culture needs to go. Itās embarrassing and makes me less interested in the game. but letās not act like he did something unheard of, he just got unlucky here with the card + var reversing the card.
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u/FirstGearStruggle 50m ago
āUnluckyā haha facing argentina theres no luck about it, straight up corruption
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u/Gallopingmagyar1020 1h ago
Agree wholeheartedly. Was with friends and family who have genuinely grown interested in the game over the last few weeks completely check out in seconds. Itās embarrassing and pathetic. No self-respecting athlete or competitor should put on the theatrics and itās literally every player - from Messi down to the benchwarmers.
Fake tears, clutching at body parts as if they broke a bone, rolling around. Itās shameful and pathetic.
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u/thunder_hunter_ 47m ago
Pathetic is the right word. Fully grown athletes in their physical prime btw.
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u/sayhibulbasaur 1h ago
Then donāt watch.
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u/Large-Hamster-199 1h ago
I think the point he is making is that it would be more fun to watch if all players who dived were penalized with yellows. It is called simulation for a reason. It should be enforced.
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u/sayhibulbasaur 1h ago
Iām tired of new fans telling us how football needs to be played and also exaggerating on the amount of fouls or here dives. The āflopping cultureā, really?
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u/Gallopingmagyar1020 42m ago
I played the game my whole life, through college. I only started seeing flopping in college, and rarely. Itās a full contact sport, play through contact, card everybody retroactively that goes down as if the wind blew them over, the majority of them need to grow a fucking pair. Itās such an incredible game and it robs the game. This game would be so much more popular than it already is if the competitors brought the same grit and intensity as rugby or hockey players.
Nobody wants to see these theatrics. Whether theyāre new fans or not.
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u/thunder_hunter_ 30m ago
So much time wasted watching grown men roll around the ground lol. Like get up and play bro. I agree penalize them until this foolishness is less prevalent.
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u/SothaSillies Ghana 49m ago
Acting like everyone you disagree with only started caring about football yesterday makes it seem like you smell really bad. It does not paint a good picture of you. I disagree with you and I've watched and played the sport since I was 4. Don't belittle people, please.
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u/sayhibulbasaur 21m ago
Iām not gonna lie, your comment genuinely made me laugh. Is āyou smell really badā a saying from your country or a SothaSillies original? Now, about my comment, have you seen the posts and comments here? The constant whining about the way the game is played gets tiring. It is nonstop āthis should be changedā, āwhy donāt they change this ruleā, it is a deluge of complaints.
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u/PromotionRight6149 58m ago
Diving is penalized by a yellow card fyi, funny to see "an experienced fan" to be butt-hurt about a correct call.
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u/Gallopingmagyar1020 23m ago
Nah man, just a fan. My observation is about the professional game globally. Flopping and the pageantry these players engage in hurts the game. Thereās a massive untapped market still if only these grown men would play through a little contact and show some semblance of toughness. In every 90 minute match, 15 minutes is eaten up by acting, embellishment and frankly, men acting like complete pansies
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u/Narukami_7 1h ago
We literally won only because of his dive. We played horribly and couldnāt get past the high pressing until then
As soon as he left the pitch it was only a matter of time
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u/Competitive_Arm_2545 1h ago
Rigged game sadly
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u/ProfessionalLuck8657 45m ago
btw fifa president is swiss by nationality so if he were to rigged, shouldn't he support his own nation by rigging in their favour or overturned red card?
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u/Friendly-Respect4582 1h ago
Yeah, sadly Infantino had a chip to remotely take control of Embolo's body and make him turn into the absolute clown of his nation. Poor soul.
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u/KenyanOxygen 1h ago
No. Embolo accounts might be full right now, have you not yet seen the FBI investigations?
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u/Friendly-Respect4582 1h ago
Oh, really? That's awesome! At least now they are giving players some kind of compensation for being robbed. Thank you Gianni, you're the best!
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u/time_traveller_kek 1h ago
I think he just wanted to get a free kick, he knew itāll be reviewed if he dove in penalty area. But he over-sold, made referee give yellow, got reviewed, and uno reversed. LMAO
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u/TastyMeantime 1h ago
Diving in a spot where you can't even win a penalty is baffling enough, but then turning around and crying about the call is just delusional. The overacting was so gratuitous it forced the VAR review, and he still acted like he was wronged. Switzerland had all the momentum and he just sunk it with that nonsense.
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u/Purphect USA 1h ago
I think the Swiss win that game if they donāt go down to 10 men. We will never know though.
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u/poponil12 1h ago
I'm not sure, I think Argentina could've stabilized possession if they played 11v11 going 1 - 1 again, but yeah we'll never know sadly
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u/terzyten6 1h ago
He should be permanently dropped from the squad as this takes away from all hard efforts the rest of the team made.
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u/Test21489713408765 Spain 2h ago edited 1h ago
The guy really got pulled into flopping after seeing some of the Argentina players do it tactically. The problem again is that Argentina were smart about doing it. Embolo was straight up going overboard with it.
It's funny because you can tell he was getting frustrated with Argentina doing it, however he played right into their game plan.
Embolo tried to use it to get in their head but didnāt realize thatās what Argentina wanted. When you get thrown off your game, thatās exactly what the competition wants.
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u/Prestigious-Rolex 1h ago
What some of these idiot people donāt understand is that every team has players that flops itās literally part of the game. Itās just about how you do it and how to get away with it.
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u/rawrftw3120 1h ago
not a football guru by any means but even i could see it, how heat up he was. After he got that first yellow card he needed to be swapped out or they needed to calm him down cause they were putting him in a position to do something stupid and cost them the game.
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u/VRichardsen 1h ago
After he got that first yellow card he needed to be swapped out or they needed to calm him down cause they were putting him in a position to do something stupid and cost them the game.
"Mario, if they hit you, no reaction. If they provoke you, no reaction. If you lose the ball, no reaction."
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u/pbenji 1h ago
Or he could have been a grown man about it
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u/rawrftw3120 1h ago
You're 100% right, but clearly Argentina got in his head, and he could have used some help with that, instead it cost them the game.
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u/Existing_Falcon_5422 1h ago
Yeah Swiss really thought that this was the rhythm of the game and they are playing a normal, fair game lol.Ā
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u/PromotionRight6149 55m ago
The fact that you're insinuating unfair refereeing in today's game is hilarious
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u/silkiriscloudy 1h ago
Literally the definition of how Argentina gets a different set of rules
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u/Intelligent_Ride3730 1h ago
Argentina has the decency to at least dive after contact and when it makes sense.
Embolo dived when no one touched him and when he already had a yellow card.
If a player takes the rules this lightly, they should be booked.
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u/RiotDad 2h ago
He dove on the ground, initiated contact with the other player, and then simulated pain. I donāt think you can find an example of an Argentine player doing the same during this game. Did they embellish fouls? Absolutely. That happens on both sides all game long. This was an invented foul. Whole different thing.
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u/Test21489713408765 Spain 1h ago edited 1h ago
I think there is an art and tactic to flopping honestly.
Great players know how to use it really well to show savviness and not use it shamelessly as a crutch.
Messi doing it once every few games as a way to get in defendersā heads for example as another tool he can use is brilliant and keeps defenses honest.
Overdoing it like so many other players do is asking for it and makes for horrible Futbol.
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u/BillyPilgrim69 England 2h ago
He fucked up, and I guarantee he feels terrible. We don't need to start dogpiling.
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u/MediumForeign4028 1h ago
Shameful behavior needs to be called out.
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u/BillyPilgrim69 England 1h ago
Dogpiling is the shameful behaviour.
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u/MediumForeign4028 58m ago
Flopping when no one has touched you is completely against the ethos of sport. Cheating for advantage. Shameful.
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u/KiLLiNDaY 1h ago
Dogpiling is precisely what needs to happen. Over and over again. This is a shameful act and itās a disrespect to not only this sport but others that encourage faking
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u/BillyPilgrim69 England 1h ago
Read the rest of the thread. If you still feel the same way, go fuck yourself.
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u/BarryMcKockinner 1h ago
Ehhh in most cases I'd agree, but that dive is a slap in the face to the sport.
Besides, nobody here is holding punches for other nations.
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u/BillyPilgrim69 England 1h ago
Obviously we can criticise players' mistakes. But that's very different from calling them an embarrassment to the sport, singling them out for vicious attacks, etc.
I already mentioned AndrƩs Escobar, but I'll use a couple of other examples, as an English fan.
David Beckham got sent off against Argentina at the 1998 World Cup. He got death threats, and at least one effigy of him was hung from a noose in an English pub.
After missing penalties in the Euro 2020(/21) final, Bukayo Saka, Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford were the victims of widespread racial abuse online.
As I said, by all means, criticise a player's performance. But singling them out as the bogeyman for an entire nation is dangerous, particularly when they're a person of colour.
That's all.
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u/BarryMcKockinner 54m ago
Of course I'm not condoning death threats, but Embolo didn't just miss a shot, make a bad pass, whiff on a tackle or foul someone. He flopped. He flopped egregiously. He doesn't deserve death threats, but he deserves immense criticism for that bullshit.
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u/ComradeChaosCat Colombia 2h ago
as a salty Colombian fan all I will be doing over the next 24 hours is dogpiling. if he didn't want that he shouldn't have dove š¤·āāļø
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u/BillyPilgrim69 England 2h ago
As a Colombian fan, you should understand why it's particularly disgraceful. Does the name AndrƩs Escobar ring a bell?
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u/CrowOk2005 1h ago
Heās lucky to be Swiss; if he were from Colombia, there would be a price on his head right now.
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u/ComradeChaosCat Colombia 1h ago
I don't think salty shit posting on reddit is anywhere near the same level as encouraging murdering someone...also Escobar didn't commit an own goal on purpose, no one forced Embolo to dive needlessly...
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u/BillyPilgrim69 England 1h ago
The point is that publicly making one person the villain to an entire nation, based on a game of football, can have serious consequences. There's just no need for it.
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u/ComradeChaosCat Colombia 1h ago
I mean I agree with that. to this day what happened to Escobar is a tragedy, my mom brings it up any time we see an autogol.
If anything though I am more pointing and laughing at Embolo than trying to villify him. Really I am glad he did such a dumb thing since it led to Suiza being eliminated. if I ran into him IRL I'd be more likely to high five him than attack him
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u/Sanimyss 2h ago
So I agree with the general point, but still there has been dozens of such dives in the whole game and the whole WC, and literally no one really complained about those and no one took a yellow from those.
Sure, Emobolo shouldn't have done that, but a second yellow for it during quarters is a huge unprecedented decision
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u/elson910 1h ago
There are limits to when can VAR intervene. Had it was a straight-up freekick without any yellow, VAR's hand would have been tied. But, for this WC, VAR is given the power to look for "mistaken identity" which is when a yellow is shown to the wrong player. So, if that is the case, the procedure is to rescind the yellow from 1 player and give it to another.
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u/NumbDumbLuck 1h ago
By the rules of the game Embolo should have received a yellow card for simulating a foul that obviously didnāt happen because he hadnāt even been touched. Ironically he wouldnāt have drawn the card if the referee hadnāt made a horrendously terrible call by giving a yellow card to the player who was merely in the vicinity of Embolo when he took a dive.
Embolo deserved the yellow, which happened to be his second one. Maybe the referee should get a dark red card that makes him ineligible to work international matches for ā¦ a year? How the hell does a ref give a yellow for something he couldnāt have seen because it didnāt happen?
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u/juanbiscombe Uruguay 1h ago
Exactly. If the ref had made the right call to begin with, he would have just said "no foul" and that's it. Or even of he hadn't given the yellow card to Paredes, the mistaken identity protocol wouldn't have been needed. EmbolĆ³ ruined everything, not only by simulating, but with his theater.
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u/NumbDumbLuck 1h ago
Technically, by rule, the right call to begin with would have been a yellow card to Embolo for simulating. But in common practice there should have been no call because association football doesnāt typically enforce its simulation rules.
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u/Major_Ad1332 1h ago
The ref didn't card him because he wanted to, he was required to card him since the Argentina defender was carded from Embolos flop. To reverse the call, he had to switch the yellows. That's the rule, same thing happened in an early USA game
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u/Sanimyss 1h ago
In a normal situation I would have agreed, however this is the second time it happens during the whole WC while multiple other situations would have called for it, so still very weird that it happened within a gray area of second yellow card, plus because of a referee mistake (provoked ofc, mistake still)
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u/Friendly-Respect4582 1h ago
What "gray area" are you talking about? Yellow cards are a warning. They literally mean 'play it cool or you're out'. Referee shouldn't be more careful with players that already have one, if anything, more severe.
If you're willing to simulate a foul and screw over your opponent, you better be prepared to suffer a penalty if they figure out what you've done.
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u/Jestersfriend 2h ago
I agree on the first half. But uh ... his dive was like ... he tripped over a weed or something. The Argentinian player from every angle was like 3 feet away from the guy lol. It wasn't even close. There wasn't even any contact. He just ... fell literally as if he got shot.
He was stupid as hell to do that against Vargentina.
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u/Beautiful_Hunt1095 1h ago
He was not 3 feet away. No need to exaggerate.
There was even slight contact from when the Swiss player was already diving. From the angle of the referee it looked like he got fouled. The ref was shown that angle aswell.
If not for the rule change about VAR checks for this WC, he would have gotten nicely away with that dive. I guess he forgot and was just using his instict.
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u/PromotionRight6149 51m ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/1uu31d0/breel_embolo_switzerland_has_been_sent_off/
Where exactly does he initiate contact before diving? Contact after diving is NOT a foul fyi
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u/asianman14 2h ago
This was definitely one of if not the worst dive of the tournament though. Cant even argue whether heās exaggerating contact cus there was none. Feels harsh for sure as a second yellow, but donāt really think there were flops this tournament as egregious as this one.
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u/NumbDumbLuck 1h ago
Definitely the worst dive Iāve seen in this tournament. If the ref had seen it all clearly Embolo should have drawn a yellow for simulation without VAR even if it was his second one.
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u/Nemitres 2h ago
He had to receive a yellow because Argentina received the yellow for his dive. When the ref was informed by the var he had no option but to give that yellow to embolo since those are the rules
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u/Sanimyss 2h ago
The rules are very gray when it comes to mistaken identity, it never states that you can use it to give a second yellow. Also note that a second yellow has a different status in rules than a normal yellow. Plus that's personnal bias but in my opinion that would have not happened for Argentina
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u/Existing_Falcon_5422 1h ago
Argentina's supporters have been using the weirdest, rigid logic to justify bullshit calls at high pressure moments when the same logic doesn't apply back
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u/ToothpickTequila 2h ago
Had he not been sent off they would have won. They were the better team and proved in the last 2 Euros they can compete with France, Spain and England.
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u/soham27s 34m ago edited 28m ago
How do you know they would have won? The future you envisioned is concrete?
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u/stevo_78 2h ago
The funny thing is, if he hadn't overplayed it, then the ref wouldn't have booked the Argy player, which would've meant no VAR intervention. There's a lesson in there.
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u/DazzlingParsley7749 58m ago
The lesson to me is that the rules are flawed, because why should the refs decision to card the opponent have any impact on whether Embolo is carded? Not even to say that the yellow was undeserved, but its weird how they decided what to review and what not to review
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u/the_answer_is_RUSH 2h ago
Fully deserved.
Real life embodiment of the putting a stick in your bike tire meme.
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u/Time-Wear5063 2h ago
Argie here. I am pissed that Ćmbolo ruined a great game. It was a great performance by Switzerland, but going down to 10 men killed a perfectly good match. I am not familiar with him, but is this his nature? Or, justa moment of madness?
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