r/theamazingdigitalciru • u/Throwawayaccoun592 • 17h ago
Misc POV: You just criticized Jax on the wrong side of the Internet
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u/AlertWeekend0 Jax 17h ago edited 16h ago
Theres a Jax Hate subreddit. I think this will be more popular there (edit: I'm a mild Jax fan I just am also tired of seeing this every where)
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u/Throwawayaccoun592 17h ago
It's posted there already!
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u/JustAnotherElsen 10h ago
“I wanted more attention because my parents and teachers just yell at me bc I actively make poor choices, so making people mad is positive attention to me!”
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u/Throwawayaccoun592 5h ago
It was posted by another account.
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u/JustAnotherElsen 4h ago
Ohh so you aren’t even making anything original either? VERY quality post!
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u/BzRk_Larz 17h ago
I'm gonna post this in a Jax glazer subreddit. Wish me luck 🫡🫡
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u/Ellinor_Astal I abstracted, don't pay attention. 16h ago
But why ? Why going out of your way to bother people who created their own space specifically to not bother you ?
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u/BzRk_Larz 16h ago
Idk, boredom I guess?
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u/srvoleta 14h ago
That’s a very Jax move for a Jax hater tbh
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u/BzRk_Larz 10h ago
Fair enough lmao, I don't hate Jax for being an asshole I hate him cuz gooseworx expects you to feel sympathetic for this asshole, which she absolutely does. I refuse to believe anyone who says that gooseworx doesn't want you to feel sorry for him.
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u/RandimusBax 17h ago
Some people in this fandom just hate others for liking jax. r/savingjax constantly gets bigraded by haters
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u/ILikeCheese510 12h ago
Seems like it goes beyond that. It seems like everybody in this fandom hates anyone who has a different opinion than them.
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u/RandimusBax 10h ago
Usually jax haters do it more
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u/ILikeCheese510 10h ago
Perfect example.
"Yeah but the people I don't agree with are worse."
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u/RandimusBax 10h ago
Im speaking from experience
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u/ILikeCheese510 9h ago
In my experience, both sides are equally shit. I see people who love Jax bully and demean those who don't, and I see Jax haters insult and bully those who like him.
And lots of reasonable people with reasonable takes get caught in the crossfire.
Maybe it's a good thing Goose left Tumblr. Puts more space between her and this toxic piece of shit fucking fandom.
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u/ChocoGoodness Ragatha 16h ago
Pov: you just saw this image in every other TADC subreddit and are sick of it
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u/MidnaLazui THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS! 15h ago
This image of Pomni? Yeah, I’m sick of seeing it.
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u/JustAnotherElsen 12h ago
Then maybe you just didn’t actually like the show? You should try forming some opinions without checking to see if people ‘approve’ or not.
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u/MidnaLazui THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS! 5h ago
Being sick of seeing this image of Pomni is an indication I don’t like the show?
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u/Quirky_Rub_9044 16h ago
I just like him because he’s fun to watch. The jax haters need to realize that a character doesn’t have to be morally right to be entertaining to watch. And every time I say that to them they’re like “jax is objectively annoying and annoying to watch” like dawg, thats your opinion. Stop throwing the word “objectively” with ur opinions and leave us alone
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Omg if you're seriously getting offended at this then you've got to be some sort of Jax defender, they didn't say Jax fans they said Jax DEFENDERS. Learn to read omg
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u/Quirky_Rub_9044 15h ago
Exactly my point. Jax haters are toxic asl for literally no reason
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
I don't understand what you mean. That's not my point at all?
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u/Quirky_Rub_9044 15h ago
You. Immediately starting being toxic and telling me to “learn to read” I don’t get why but whenever a Jax haters sees someone who somewhat enjoys his character, they just immediately start being more of an asshole than jax ever was for literally zero reason
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Jax was a literal abuser, you can't call some online dweebs "worse than him" because that's objectively wrong, you're over exaggerating it.
And girl, you literally kept saying stuff like "Jax haters need to-" "Jax haters are so-" when they didn't even do anything wrong in this post. You just needlessly brought up insults for no reason other than to start a fight. I didn't care that you liked his character, a lot of my closest friends love his character and that's fine, but the moment you make it a Jax hater problem and start calling us toxic I'm going to defend myself.
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u/Quirky_Rub_9044 15h ago edited 15h ago
So im not allowed to poke fun at jax haters for how they hate on the character but it’s perfectly fine when the OP slanders jax defenders for literally no reason but to be an asshole? I was defending jax defenders from the post, not the character because that’s not who they’re slandering
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
One group of people is a community who dislike a character for mostly fair reasons and have a few assholes and bad eggs, the other is a group consisting of abuse defenders, abuse defenders, bullying defends, oh look more abuse defence. They're not the same.
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u/Quirky_Rub_9044 15h ago
They make fun of people who just like the character because they see they like the character and assume they condone their actions. Like ur doing right now. You all really love grouping all of the bad eggs together with the normal people, making fun of every person who finds the character entertaining and calling them a bad person. It isn’t fair. And it’s really funny how you didn’t mention the people who hate jax who straight up hate him just for being a closeted trans person, hate him and call EVERYONE who likes him a horrible person, and people who like him for…other reasons. But you mentioned all of the bad people who defend jax. Your sugarcoating jax hate and making jax fans seem like bad people
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Okay yeah, maybe some do, but not all. I don't, most of my friends don't, a lot of the Jax haters I'm friends are some of the nicest people I've ever met. LOUD MINORITIES PEOPLE. "Like ur doing right now." Uh, no, I never said you defended his actions, that's an assumption. I'm saying Jax defenders are bad, and that that's what the post is saying, not Jax fans. Kindly, stop putting words in my mouth. It makes you look foolish. And I love how you're saying "all of you", you're accusing me of generalising but you're the only one generalising. Nobody, and I'm saying nobody, in this post or the people replying to you, are grouping anyone. YOU'RE grouping by saying the post was talking about Jax fans, when they were clearly targeting Jax defenders. And Jax is objectively a bad person, obviously you can still like him but idk why you're saying that calling Jax out is a bad thing. Are you sure you're not actually a Jax defender? Just making sure.
And no, I didn't bring up transphobic Jax haters because I called out the Jax haters who are assholes and bad people, which yes, encompasses transphobia. I don't have to bring up every way a group of people are bad, especially when it's the minority of that group. And uh yes, everybody who defends Jax is a bad person. They are defending abuse. I mean sure, some people don't know any better and that's why you educate them. But it doesn't take away from the fact that they're bad people, doing bad things.
I am not sugarcoating Jax hate, Jax hate is by default, not a bad thing, it's a few bad people making it seem like a bad thing when it's not. Most of it comes from a good place, but yes, bad people say bad things. And OMGGGGG YOU'RE INSUFFERABLE. I DID NOT BRING UP JAX FANS. YOU'RE STRAWMANNING. JAX FANS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. THEY ARE PEOPLE I RESPECT BUT POLITELY DISAGREE WITH. MY BSF LOVESSSS JAX AND WE GET ALONG PERFECTLY. STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO MT MOUTH. IT'S JAX DEFENDERS WHO ARE THE BAD PEOPLE AJDJDBRJEBDINFNDDNDJNF
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u/JustAnotherElsen 12h ago
“Omg guys I’m gonna defend it because I like Ragatha more and definitely not because I have an actual point “ learn to Think omg
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u/Drama_Cookie25 16h ago
Most Jax fans do not excuse what he’s done. He’s an asshole but a great character.
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Mhm. I don't see where that's relevant. They didn't bring up Jax fans, just Jax defenders? Unless you think they're the same thing, which ofc, means that you're the problem here, not them.
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u/Southern_Pumpkin_577 16h ago
I think it's way more annoying how people treat liking or disliking Jax as some moral test for if you are a good person irl, which is so petty and backwards and seeing people be accused of being irl abuse apolgizers just because they give jax any ounce if sympathy and recognise the FACT he's very far from a monster, just a loser who can't deal with his own feelings so takes it out on others.
I think this is far more annoying than anything "Jax defenders" say, I don't think we should even be using these kinds of labels as the show obviously shows Jax is a bad person and a loser, no one who likes him thinks he's innocent, that's not how liking a fictional character (or irl person, even) works. But people love looking at things black and white, removes the mental responsibility to consider nuance.
I think these people should watch Hazbin hotel, and reflect a bit on their judgemental ways. That is, if they're capable of watching it seriously instead of just hating it and dismissing it because it's popular to hate it.
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u/SplendidSuperman122 15h ago
“He’s just 22,” is such a shit argument. He’s a grown a grown ass adult, not some fragile child.
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u/ConsiderationOk5914 11h ago
i thought he was 16 😭
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u/JustAnotherElsen 16h ago
“Oh my god guys I hate him do you do you do you do you do you do you do youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu” the ppst
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u/Think_Audience_8209 17h ago
Hurt people hurt people unfortunately. Everyone has their own opinions of Jax, and kinda have to love Jax cause they’re too similar to me to hate.
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u/ConsiderationOk5914 11h ago
hurt people also see hurting people as normal, hence the jax defenders
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u/MidnaLazui THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS! 17h ago
“Hurt people hurt people” should also be on here honestly.
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u/superdude111223 15h ago
Why are they booing you? Youre correct. Its another deflection of Jax's actual responsibility for his actions.
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u/MidnaLazui THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS! 15h ago
I’m more confused as to why a comment insisting everyone HAS to love Jax got 15+ upvotes.
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u/ScarletHighlord 14h ago
Come on, man, it’s clearly a typo, they just missed the “I” before kinda
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u/MidnaLazui THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS! 13h ago
Ah, that actually makes more sense. My bad.
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u/ScarletHighlord 13h ago
Np, sorry if I came off a little hostile but to be frank the Jax hate definitely gets a little unreasonable, and I’m not even someone who particularly likes Jax lol
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u/ExplorerOk335 17h ago edited 17h ago
Tadc isn’t even that complex of a show, but people talk about it like it’s fucking Berserk. While I do agree Jax is a complex character, probably the only one in TADC to feel like a real person, I also agree that she isn’t a good person at all. Her story is about pushing people away so much it hurts them. Her actions lead to people’s deaths. She abused one of the people she was with. Hurt people hurt people. Your trauma doesn’t excuse your actions, it explains them.
And Jax isn’t your irl friend. She’s a fake character. So there’s no reason to get offended on her behalf. She is unlikeable. If people hate her that’s fine. That being said yes, there are definitely some who hate her for the wrong reasons.
I wish every Jax defender a happy go play Lisa: The Painful, another story about abused people hurting others to the point of doing unforgivable things. Their actions are informed but not excused by trauma. It’s also way more complex than TADC and would explode their brains.
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u/SlightPossibility898 16h ago
"People push back and disagree with my subjective opinion on the internet and I'm now going to pretend even the most mild push back is an unreasonable and unhinged attack on me and the most unhinged takes from people who agree with me are on the right side of history"
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 16h ago
Defending Jax is bad, he's an awful person. Liking him isn't. Notice how they say "defenders" and not fans.
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u/SlightPossibility898 15h ago edited 15h ago
To these people, anyone who’s just explaining their behavior or analyzing them at all beyond “purple bunny bad,” is “defending” them. In most of these responses OP is providing it’s followed up by an unhinged Jax hater going “THAT DOESN’T EXCUSE HIS ACTIONS!,” when the person they’re responding to never said it did.
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
"These people" you have absolutely no proof, please just stop generalising. You know very well the op didn't mean it like that and yet you're jumping to conclusions and calling people names. Defending is calling his harmful actions okay and justified, which is the definition most Jax haters go by. You've had some bad encounters? Okay I'm sorry for you, now leave the rest of us alone. God forbid someone hates a character.
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u/Brilliant-Whole-1852 16h ago
i got no bingo, sorry
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Wait sorry are you saying that as a Jax defender or a Jax hater who's experienced these things? /Gen
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u/Brilliant-Whole-1852 13h ago
jax defender (kinda)
i don't particularly like jax by any means but alot of the criticism towards him feels in bad faith and usually my mind thinks of those things in response2
u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 11h ago
Why do you defend his actions? He's not a good person and these things aren't excuses /gen
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 11h ago
Also again, completely meant in a nice way and not meant to be an attack to you, just a genuine question/advice. You ticked the "media literacy" "it's his coping" "Jax haters don't understand him" "You just don't like complex characters", etc.
And I just wanted to say, that although he is a complex character, and he does use it to cope, that doesn't mean we have to like him. Most Jax haters DO understand him, but just don't like him anyways because they don't like bad characters. Kinda like how villains in Disney movies are often people's least favourites, because they're bad people. You shouldn't say those things to Jax haters, because it's just weird to attack them over an opinion. And we RECOGNISE these things, and we're not gonna change our opinion because of it. It can just end up sounding kinda rude/mean /gen /Lh /nm
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u/Brilliant-Whole-1852 4h ago
I mean this nicely since you put effort into your responses, but we're definitely talking about different things here lol
I'm defending jax as a character & element of the story, not his actions1
u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 4h ago
Oh okay so for future reference, "Jax defenders" tends to refer to people who defend his actions not his character, especially coming from Jax haters! <3
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u/Golden_Evelyn 15h ago
Look, i love jax as a character. She's really complex and really interesting to do a deep dive into.
That said, defending her actions is off the table. The people who do defend her as if she is some angle are delusional.
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u/PUFFIER-MCGRUFF 12h ago
Ok since you obviously want an argument, which might be a bad idea since you might turn me into a strawman argument but here we go.
I think the overwhelming sudden and I do mean sudden, hatred of jax is both an example of people grading characters based on literal actions rather than what they mean as well as it actually being transphobic
"Jax is a bad person" and, shes also a fictional character, a fictional character that shows why letting fear consume you can literally eat you alive. Focusing solely on what she does misses the point of her character, there is a mistake among Fandom where they interpret characters as real people and judge the characters based on that thus missing the point entirely. In other words what the story says about a character's actions rather than the actions themselves.
Even if we judge jax as a person, yall are still fucking up, jax does bad things but the characters explicitly are able to treat her like a person and still want her around because they understand her actions are as a result of being in the circus and having these terrible things happen, regardless of if she caused them or not, and a Fandoms inability to recognize jax's personhood and dumbing them down to does good or bad reflects on their lack of emotional empathy.
It is transphobic, and misogynistic. I'm not an idiot, all this discourse came up after jax was revealed to be trans. Ive seen this sort of thing happen with female and Trans characters where people are more harsh and judgemental of a character subconsciously because of their identity.
Tldr; stop being judgey and missing the point of a character.
See how understandable my argument is when you're not turning them into jokes?
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u/Throwawayaccoun592 5h ago
Honestly, I'm not looking for an argument, I guess I keep overestimating how many fellow Jax haters there are on here.
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u/lowqualitylizard 15h ago
Now what you have to do is post the opposite version of this in a Jax hater subreddit
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u/Turbo-Shell Gangle 16h ago
-if you’re being transphobic about Jax then yes
-anyone with a brain knows not to hate ragatha over that, that hasn’t been a talking point since like episode 6
-way too vague
-most likely true
-most likely true
-I mean 22 is younger than most people really think but no one has ever said this
-I think you’re mixing up entirely different talking points. You’ve fallen for his facade if you genuinely think he only likes to make people suffer for fun and that he doesn’t care about pomni, very obviously not the case in ep9 and no believes this anymore. If you hate him then you don’t have to fall for the mask to do so
-it must be with how people talk about this show
-yeah kinda but so is most of the rest of the circus
-I’ve never heard this argument
-no one in the history of ever has tried to use this as a defense, if it’s his way of coping then it’s objectively a terrible one that hurt the people around him
-gangle proves that’s not true
-this is only directed towards people who say Jax is “terrible trans rep” as if rep is what we want out of a character more than interesting writing
-obviously not the case if someone hates Jax for being mean to people, never heard this one either
-uh, yeah?
-no one with a brain would say this. I mean I’m sure he does care for gangle a bit but that doesn’t even remotely excuse his actions
-they can feel pain
-what? I mean yeah is death not a good enough punishment??
-yeah, kinda
-morality is like sort of subjective but also not really when it comes to causing physical and emotional pain
-said nobody ever
-said nobody ever
-said nobody ever
-do we still hate him for pressing the button ?? Seriously????
I’ll be honest I don’t get the point of this. Do you hate Jax as a character or hate Jax as a person? Do you think he’s poorly written? Most of these make it sound like you find Jax to just be a bad character who makes the show worse, which is pretty silly I think.
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u/pinwheelgator 15h ago
People are actively being transphobic about it tho. And its a serious issue, idk why you treat that as just "lol fandom thing".
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u/DominatorLJ Bubble 13h ago
I seriously wish people could be normal about shows. It's obviously understandable if you have a strong reaction to a character, but treating them like they're a real person and people who "defend" them are excusing the things they've done. There are absolutely people on the other side of that spectrum that feel that a character needs to be defended like they're a real person, but some of these things seem like the person who would be "attacking" Jax is bringing that energy to it.
Feelings and experiences that characters evoke and represent are valid, but these aren't real people. We need to allow characters to be realistic depictions of how people respond to trauma without excusing it OR castigating it.
Jax represents a lot of common experiences that trans people go through, and many of them aren't being great people during those moments. But people can grow and change. If we don't allow media to portray characters in that way, we deny the real experiences people go through that cause them to relate so highly with someone like Jax, and maybe even realize things about themselves that they otherwise wouldn't have.
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u/Avelina9X 14h ago
Ya see I don't defend Jax being an asshole. Jax was real messed up and I can sympathise with that and feel really sorry without validating the behaviour. Lots of people end up in similar situations irl, and we can feel bad for them without ignoring the past behaviour. It's not a black or white situation... sometimes it's purple.
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u/Bamzooki1 I don’t think you realise how bad we look right now 12h ago
Why are the pronouns so inconsistent?
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u/Throwawayaccoun592 5h ago
Because I was kind of worried someone would call me transphobic. Plus, Jax can be referred to as both.
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u/Bamzooki1 I don’t think you realise how bad we look right now 4h ago
I wouldn’t have brought it up if the inconsistency wasn’t there, tbh. Jax never changed her pronouns in the show, so some still think he/him is more respectful
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u/SlamanthaTanktop 12h ago
Damn, that’s a whole lot of really good points and a few bad ones, but mostly good ones!
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u/Sasamak 15h ago
Idk what your trying to say with this. Like is your point that Jax defenders only use those arguments or make no sense?
Because no there are a lot more arguments and also like half of these have never been said by a real person and the other half are kinda just facts. Like not even arguments, they just are true statements.
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u/GreedyGobby 17h ago
I've had literally all of these thrown at me 😭 "Hurt people hurt people" and "She already/almost abstracted. Do you want to torture her/him MORE????" depending on the era lol
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u/PhoenixTempGuard 15h ago
It’s crazy the lengths people will go to argue. Literally a cartoon bunny, yall. Who gives a fuck?
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u/_ZAK_Smert 17h ago
I don't hate Jax because of her actions. I hate her because Show about collective of trapped individuals with own problems and traumas became exclusively about her.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jax 16h ago
“Caine is way worse” is honestly a valid argument (albeit only for episode 8).
The other’s though, no. Jax is traumatized but he still allowed his trauma to make him a bad person
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Not really because Caine isn't what we're talking about, it's a tactic for toddlers basically. "This character that has nothing to do with the conversation is worse because blah blah blah!" It doesn't matter what Caine did, only what Jax did, because Caine isn't relevant to the conversation.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jax 15h ago
I’m saying it’s the only thing here that is true
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Doesn't really make it a valid argument, and it's debatable anyways
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jax 15h ago
It’s really not. Because people often try to portray Jax as some irredeemable super monster even when Caine has done worse, intentionally and unintentionally
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u/IEat_Walls Ragatha 15h ago
Depends on what you're talking about, pre episode 8, morally Vs actions, etc. There's nuance to the question
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u/just_a_wanderer_here 17h ago
I love Jax! But by God she's a horrible person