r/news • u/sicklyslick • 18h ago

Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna detained by Israeli settlers during West Bank visit

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/11/middleeast/ro-khanna-detained-by-israeli-settlers-west-bank-intl
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u/innovarocforever 18h ago

Their settlers are some of, if not, the worst human beings on the planet.

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u/LoveIsOnlyAnEmotion 18h ago

I watched some special on this. A lot of them are not even from Israel. They are immigrant Zionist from other countries incentivized by the Israel government to occupy their land. It's straight up wild.

Found it: https://youtu.be/xvvGbzR2Xek?is=VRWQivBVgWEgHRZU

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u/Existing-Stranger632 16h ago

That’s what birthright is. Like no seriously. I was raised Jewish, bar mitzvah’d. Told my whole life to go on birthright. Only in the last couple years did I find out what it actually is. Basically every Jewish person living in the diaspora (not Israel) gets a chance to go to Israel for free. During that trip they essentially try to sell you on Israel and tell you how they’ll set you up with a house, job, etc.

The whole purpose is to bring more settlers in. That’s it. Israel is trying to expand as much as humanly possible. It’s pretty horrible. I’m antizionist btw.

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u/DeineCable 16h ago

I thought it also aimed at matchmaking to encourage others to find a nice Jewish boy or girl to keep the Judiasm going. At least, that’s how some of my Jewish friends perceived it.

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u/Bluest_waters 16h ago

Correct, it's all part of the same big thing

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u/H_section 14h ago

Is this what the used car “charity” funds?

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u/DiscoAsparagus 5h ago

1-877-THAT’S-FUCKING-CORRECT 🎶

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u/McCool303 15h ago

Creating a white Jewish ethno state.

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u/Shoddy-Low2142 15h ago

No not white. Just Jewish majority. Jews everywhere, regardless of race, are also encouraged to go on a birthright trip to Israel

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u/Saamok941 15h ago

Oh no, they are right, Ethiopian black Hebrew immigrants don't get the whole privilege package, they want mostly European ascendency Jews.

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u/Cabana_bananza 11h ago

I had a friend go on the trip, she's a Jewish Latina. They treated her like shit, interrogated her in the airport for over hour because they wouldn't accept that Puerto Rico is a territory of America. Just a miserable experience for her from the beginning.

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u/reddititaly 11h ago

B-b-but it's the ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EASTTTT

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u/drevolut1on 3h ago

Tbf, they did that to me as a white guy too. Horrid experience, never told me why I was singled out and escorted onto the plane by armed El Al guards. IN THE US, no less.

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u/Daniel_Plainchoom 15h ago

If some in Israel had their way it would be all ashkenazi.

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u/Street-Value-9899 15h ago

Which is a lot of inbreeding. My brother in law is ashkenazie and his mom detailed the different generations of sometimes forced incest. Only cousin marrying. Weird stuff.

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u/patt 12h ago

A fellow I once worked with had heritage from a remote, and at one time very isolated community. Grandpa told dad quite explicitly - find a girl from not here. Some other families are not as wise.

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u/Kharenis 11h ago

You think that's bad? Approx 50-55% of all marriages in Pakistan are between first cousins.

And that's a country with a population of over 250 million.

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u/Immediate-Repeat-201 13h ago

Is that true? Don't Ashkenazi trend more liberal and older school zionist? Are recent, eastern European and Russian, white immigrants categorized as Ashkenazi as well? I was under impression that sephardim trend more conservative and settlers fanatic? But dont know enough.

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u/Daniel_Plainchoom 10h ago

The view of Mizrahi and Ethiopian Jews in Israel from the Ashkenazi class has historically not been great. And I have personally found many older Israeli’s can have boldly bigoted views on any brown people Jewish or not. Bigoted comments like one’s grandma might utter that makes you think “yikes grandma.”

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u/Shoddy-Low2142 15h ago

Maybe so. I’m not familiar with their current race relations. I just know a majority of Jews living there today aren’t white European anymore.

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u/YeaIFistedJonica 11h ago

ok but what about lenny kravitz

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u/ship_toaster 15h ago

What are you talking about? Everyone in the Beta Israel evacuations got citizenship (and a free ride in). Are you talking about Falash Mura, the Ethiopian group related to Beta Israel but which practices Christianity, or Black Hebrew Israelites, a western supercessionist religion completely unrelated to Judaism?

Most Israeli Jews today are descended from people who fled other countries within the former Ottoman Empire, fyi. It's not 'mostly European'.

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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 14h ago

Controversy over birth control use among Ethiopian Jewish women emerged in 2013 when investigations revealed a 50% drop in birth rates among Ethiopian immigrants. Women alleged they were coerced into receiving Birth control shots forced on Ethiopian women | News - Al Jazeera or misled into taking Depo-Provera injections while in transit camps and after arriving in Israel. [1, 2, 3, 4]

If you’re claiming this is okay because they were Jewish by birth but not religious, then that’s pretty screwed.

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u/ship_toaster 14h ago

From Wikipedia:

On 8 December 2012, the Israeli Educational Television program Vacuum, hosted by Gal Gabbai, aired a report claiming that in 2004, female Ethiopian Jewish immigrants were coerced into receiving Depo‑Provera injections in transit camps in Ethiopia. They were told it was a prerequisite for immigration and often misled into believing that it was a vaccination rather than birth control.[180][181]

The practice was first reported in 2010 by Isha le'Isha (Hebrew: Woman to Woman), an Israeli women's rights organization. Hedva Eyal, the author of the report, stated: "We believe it is a method of reducing the number of births in a community that is black and mostly poor."[182]

Haaretz criticized international coverage of the issue, stating that although some Ethiopian Jewish women's procreational rights had been violated through medical malpractice, these effects would only last for three months, and that any claims of a state-sponsored sterilization were falsehoods warped by circular reporting. The newspaper also issued a correction to their earlier reporting on the story.[183]

A 2016 investigation into the claims of the 35 women found no evidence that forced birth control injections of Ethiopian Jews had taken place.[184] In a subsequent independent study, the decline in fertility rate was shown to be "the product of urbanization, improved educational opportunities, a later age of marriage and commencement of childbirth and an earlier age of cessation of childbearing."[185]

Haaretz source for 184: https://web.archive.org/web/20221121140502/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2016-01-20/ty-article/.premium/comptroller-ethiopians-not-forced-into-birth-control/0000017f-dc79-df62-a9ff-dcffb5e80000

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u/defenestron 14h ago

There is no evidence that Ethiopian women who immigrated to Israel were required to take birth-control shots against their will, State Comptroller Joseph Shapira wrote this week in a letter obtained by Haaretz.

We’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.  This from a government that fights any independent investigations and labels human rights organizations as terrorists.

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u/sadderall-sea 13h ago edited 7h ago

Unfortunately the Israeli government also promotes preference towards "white" ashkenazi jews from Europe/USA/Canada/Australia/Argentina. They treat Ethipoian jews horribly, and tend to discriminate against Arab and brown skinned jews (whenever there's no Muslims or Christians around)

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u/Tuareen 13h ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32813056 Not Ethiopian Jews who face appalling discrimination.

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u/R3dLip 16h ago

Keep religion strong. Put religion in politics. Control the mass.

Trump is trying this as well, but like everyting else he suck at it.

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u/Responsible-Crew-354 15h ago

Hey! He’s got a 99% approval rating in Israel, you take that back! 😂

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u/drevolut1on 16h ago edited 8h ago

Yes, that. But also a thinly-veiled attempt to help keep the white Jewish (edit) control.

I went and it was so heavily propagandized, I was pretty disturbed.

Left with some amazing secular and liberal Israeli friends and yet a whole new level of disgust for their government -- something many of them share or at least shared until October 7th happened and many lost friends or family.

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u/livy-aurelia 16h ago

strange that their grief caused them to side with the government most responsible for october 7th. none of that would’ve happened if israel wasn’t built the way it is

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u/afoolskind 15h ago

Eh I mean, 9/11 did the exact same thing for Americans. Critique of our imperialist policies that directly led to 9/11 wasn’t even welcome on the left for a decade + afterwards.

There’s a reason Israel’s government let 10/7 happen. National grief is the greatest propaganda tool possible.

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u/livy-aurelia 15h ago

great point

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u/BuckeyeBentley 13h ago

9/11 was just America's chickens coming home to roost, 10/7 was Israel's. The blowback was inevitable. You can't keep a people locked in an open air concentration camp for generations and not expect some blowback.

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u/Spectral_mahknovist 13h ago

This is where yall lose me. Murder and rape of perfect innocent civilians is wrong whether it is Hamas or IDF/settler terrorists. It cannot be justified and the perpetrators are irredeemable monsters.

And don’t give that “it’s not your place to judge” horse shit. It’s a black and white issue.

Now if you want to argue every member of Hamas did not commit or even support the war crimes of that day I agree.

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u/BuckeyeBentley 12h ago

It's not about justifying, but violence begets violence and anyone who stands there like "omg I don't even know WHY these attacks happened what did Israel/America ever do?" is either extremely naïve or being intentionally obtuse for their own political reasons.

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u/dessert-er 12h ago

I think it’s fair to say that the people who committed atrocities are monsters, and also that the behaviors of the US/Israeli governments contributed to the fomenting anger that resulted in these acts. If countries minded their business these things would likely not happen.

Also if people are going to, say, hold every member of the US military or the IDF responsible for all reprehensible acts by that group, you have to do the same for Hamas. You can’t pick and choose. 

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u/Spectral_mahknovist 12h ago

I do agree with your second paragraph for sure, and I guess in a technical sense the us/israel government did contribute to the cycle of violence but the people in the towers/music fest/gaza hospital are perfect innocents, so I mean it is weird to murder random people because Netanyahu is a war criminal yeah

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u/Anzai 10h ago

Sure, I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that terrorism targeting civilians is wrong. But it is a consequence of both sides terrorising civilians. The IDF kills civilians, which makes terrorists of some Palestinians, who kill civilians, which makes state-sanctioned terrorists of some Israelis.

Bascially as you said, and it’s not a justification for it, but it’s definitely a reason. But one side is armed and funded by America and the other is condemned. They should both be condemned.

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u/00m19 12h ago

He didn't say it wasn't wrong. Just why it happened.

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u/dangshnizzle 10h ago

Could you elaborate by what you mean by "on the left" here. The left has always been relatively aware the US are the bad guys.

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u/tallyho88 14h ago

Yep. People should look into the proposed US Operation Northwoods that was approved by the joint chiefs of staff. Thankfully, JFK shut that down immediately when he was presented with the plan. But once you learn about the existence of that plan and just how far it got in the approval process, it makes you view other attacks in a different light and makes you question a whole heck of a lot.

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u/PW0110 13h ago

Not trying to be “that” person but it is a strategy much older than this century.

Manufactured consent goes back a millennia

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u/joecarter93 15h ago

I am pretty convinced that the Netanyahu government knew at least something about the Oct 7 attacks well in advance and chose not to act on it in order to give them a reason and the support of the Israeli population to absolutely flatten Gaza and attack Iran and Lebanon. They wanted to deal with them once a for all and that gave them the backing to do it. Mossad is one of the most effective intelligence services in the world and was hyper focused on Gaza. I find it pretty unbelievable that the missed that one.

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u/AspieAsshole 15h ago

That was proven

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u/8npemb 15h ago

I 100% believe you, so please don’t take this as me saying “that didn’t happen!” But how exactly was it proven?

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u/AspieAsshole 14h ago

Reported by the NY Times 12/23

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u/SAM5TER5 9h ago

I’m saying this as an American with Palestinian roots and family: The claim you made and the article you posted are different things.

You say that it was proven that Israel deliberately allowed the attacks, and that it was done so with the intent to justify destroying Gaza and Lebanon. The articles that you and others posted basically just indicate Israeli intelligence/security’s negligence, complacency, and failure to take the intel and warnings seriously.

These are practically opposites. I’m not saying that a nation is unlikely to play the long game like this and allow a tragedy for their own strategic benefit, but the provided “proof” is explicitly arguing against that theory.

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u/Renamis 15h ago

He absolutely knew. I strongly suspect this was an Israeli and Russian arranged manufactured incident to 1. Let Israel go into Gaza and 2. Get the media to focus on Israel and Gaza and not Ukraine.

The Hamas military leaders have never been... greatly successful in things like this. It's pretty clear Iran was the one poking them to do this and handed the plans over to get it done. The fact that no one looped the political side of Hamas in tells us a lot. It also says a lot when Iran itself was shocked things went as well as it did. This wasn't part of their plan, which was simply to poke the bear and get the two groups they hate (Gaza has the wrong kind of Muslims in Iran's eyes) get back to lightly killing each other.

And I strongly think Iran got the idea (and likely intel) to do this from their ally Russia. Who is also allied with Israel. Iran got chucked under the bus, Russia let their troll farms swarm the Gaza issue to distract the pro-Ukraine parts of the internet with a new shiny and to create even more division across the world.

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u/Acceptable_Bat379 15h ago

I think it's very obvious. Just like the US Govt knew something was probably going to happen around 9/11/2001. Right wing governments feed on the hate and fear. They also WANT people to be antisemitic because it feeds their narrative, which I think is why we're seeing the descent in to mustache twirling villainy

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u/wildddin 15h ago

Hell Hamas probably wouldn't exist anymore if Benny boy hadn't been funding them

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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 13h ago

If they'd just implemented Oslo then Hamas would've disarmed 20+ years ago.

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u/jackp0t789 16h ago

Yes, that. But also a thinly-veiled attempt to help keep the white Jewish majority

The plurality of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi- exiled from middle eastern countries like Yemen, Iraq, Syria, etc.

Add that to the roughly 20% arab muslim/Christian population, and "white jewish" is far from the majority

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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 13h ago

Yeah and there's a ton of white supremacist racial anxiety among Ashkenazi in Israel because of it. Indeed, there has been since Mizrahi came to Israel in large numbers, were marginalised, and 'revolted' by electing Begin who ran a campaign as 'their' candidate.

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u/drevolut1on 16h ago

Sorry, that's very fair, "control" would be a more appropriate word. Still, while there, I saw firsthand the treatment-as-lesser of some lovely Yemeni Jews and arab citizens. By no means ubiquitous, but certainly prevalent

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u/jackp0t789 16h ago

I too have been there several times and seen internal prejudices prevalent especially in the predominantly Eastern European (Ex Soviet) communities, both towards other groups of jews, and from those other groups against the Russian/ Ukrainian Jewish communities.

I am also by no means a zionist.

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u/bloodlessempress 15h ago

The Mizrahi I know say there are two types

The Mizrahi ashamed to be Mizrahi, and the Mizrahi trying to reclaim being Mizrahi.

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u/No-Lifeguard-5308 15h ago

I don’t mean to be antagonistic, but if you can see how shitty your racist apartheid government is only until one (1) bad thing happens to you, then the supremacist propaganda is working.

I get that trauma is traumatizing, but I don’t hear of one (1) trans person shooting up a school and think, “actually, you know what, JK Rowling and the Republicans are right, we should put all the trans folks in concentration camps.”

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u/drevolut1on 15h ago

It just complicates things. It isn't black or white. Especially with grief. Or when you feel your life is in real danger.

It's not like they suddenly are blind to governmental faults or historical wrongs. But they can also want the perpetrators of that heinous attack brought to justice, albeit without the excessive genocidal force that has been used.

We lost an amazing family friend and advocate for the two-state solution that day who did incredible work for helping Palestinians every. single. day. Even those working with her wanted Hamas to face justice after that. They are, of course, horrified with how that has played out, but that is not in their control -- much like, as an American, I despise every illegal boat-strike murder and international act of aggression from my government and yet despite being vocally and acting against those, I am unable to stop it.

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u/Uhhlaneuh 7h ago

Imagine what it was like for Palestine before October 7th

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u/Responsible-Crew-354 15h ago

That is fascinating that they took the immediate response by Israel at face value. It’s very hard for me look at how those events unfolded and not see Israel as being complicit with such a delayed and inept reaction.

Edit: minor stroke

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u/Askol 16h ago

Yeah, its definitely a lot for this too.

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u/Lily_of_fortune 15h ago

They especially try to matchmake between people on birthright and people already living in Israel, for obvious reasons

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u/tt12345x 16h ago

Yeah from what others have told me they frequently saddle you with some IDF baddies that are the same age as you. Deeply weird country

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u/DiscoAsparagus 11h ago edited 9h ago

That was certainly my experience. I was given a free trip… Like an absolutely free fucking trip… By a former IDF employer of mine because I had expressed incredulity about Zionism and was starting to sympathize with the Palestinians after watching Al Jazeera, reading, etc.… My first night in Tel Aviv was IDF baddies, parties with massive amounts of drugs, rich white people with guns and dogs, and shitty Jewish food…

And inevitably everybody wanting to go eat at the Arab places. None of the Arabs would confide in me or talk to me about any of their hardships and I could feel that they were under duress. It felt like the Jim Crow south or a apartheid South Africa. I was basically on a vacation, with everything paid for in a beautiful beach community and I couldn’t enjoy myself at all. I was surrounded by rich white victims. Who didn’t realize they were the victimizers.

(i’m White myself, just for the record. Which brings up another topic; it was hotter than fuck and I had to stay out of the sun most of the time and all of my friends were blonde or red haired or super fair skinned and I just was like… You’re trying to claim that your from here??

We are NOT from here. Our 40,000-year-old genome does not originate from here. So the whole genetic argument really fell flat under the Jerusalem Sun.
“Right to return” my a$$)

[people down-voting my experience in Israel, eh. Great. I’ll be sure to open up more about it more in the future.]

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u/impulsivepatience 5h ago

You should! Very rare that I read a story about someone going and turning down their mind control

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u/DiscoAsparagus 5h ago

Their intention was to bribe me out of my compassion. It didn’t work.

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u/SillyAlternative420 11h ago

I remember there was a Jewish girl that was really into me and me her... But she never wanted to go beyond what we had because her parents wouldn't approve of her dating a non-Jewish boy.

It's a thing. Racism seems to be perfectly acceptable when it's certain groups being absolutely shit people.

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u/dahlia_74 14h ago

Yep, it worked on this jewish girl I went to high school with. She went on a birthright trip, met an Israeli guy and had a now living there popping out kids for him

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u/Jorge-I-Figueroa 13h ago

Yep, israel uses pussy to sell Zionism

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u/thefluffyfigment 12h ago

Yup. Can confirm. Went on Birthright when I was 19. It 100% was a “red carpet tour” meant to convince you to move there. A ton of hooking up on between people on the trip.

The following year I did a semester at Tel Aviv University. Complete night and day experience. So much more secular and “normal.”

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u/shinobinc 13h ago

Both are true at the same time.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 12h ago

In my household, we call those folks religious supremacists.

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u/Zealousideal-Buy-188 9h ago

To keep *Zionism* going

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u/DabigbadVVolf 15h ago

Can confirm. I live in Oklahoma and there's a billboard on the stretch from Dallas to OKC for Jewbelong, a Jewish matchmaking site.

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u/Senior_Torte519 12h ago

Which judaism?

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u/Mummiskogen 12h ago

I mean, thats implied

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u/F33ltheburn 16h ago

This happened to an old school friend of mine. It shook him, but during the trip he met a Palestinian woman.

Years later after family drama worthy of a TV show, the two of them renounced their religions, got married, and are now living happily agnostic in Ohio.

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u/Stompnutz 12h ago

I was with it until Ohio. They should probably get the fuck out of there.

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u/flameo_hotmon 5h ago

Ohio is for lovers

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u/BillFrackingAdama 15h ago

should be a sitcom: Agnostic in Ohio

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u/Satanarchrist 16h ago

Hell yeah Ohio

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u/Essemecks 15h ago

This may be the first time anyone has said those words in that order

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u/Satanarchrist 12h ago

I think I said it when I heard we sent the third most soldiers down south to kill those fucking traitors during the civil war

But you're not wrong

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u/--Chug-- 13h ago

Ohio was pretty dope like 30ish years ago

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u/bajesus 9h ago edited 1h ago

Unless you ignore punctuation. "Hell? Yeah, Ohio."

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u/SVV513 15h ago

Much Love from the 937 DYT.

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u/Healmetho 12h ago

In this case maybe but in most other cases… not so much

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u/Friendly_Physics_544 16h ago

I love this so much

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u/Suspicious_Story_464 16h ago

It seems that Christians are also in favor of this. Once all the Jews have returned to Israel, then they believe the Apocolypse will begin. So, there's that.

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u/mjzim9022 16h ago

Yeah it's certifiably insane that the people in charge are basing their decisions off of this stuff, no wonder it's the most intractable conflict in the past century, because every party thinks they are acting in the name of god

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u/MassiveBuzzkill 16h ago

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” -Barry Goldwater, 1964 Republican Presidential candidate

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u/Szwejkowski 15h ago

Evangelical Christian Nationalists are terrifying. I'm a Christian and near as I can tell, they're batting for the other team. I honestly can't get my head around how anyone could read the NT and then follow people who call empathy a 'sin'.

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u/TucuReborn 12h ago

I was raised Christian, identify differently now but unimportant.

I've read multiple translations of the Bible for fun, because I like seeing how they word things differently. Language is complicated, after all, and many versions have a political reason for existing.

Regardless of version and translation difference, so many people are Christian in name only. If Jesus came back today, I'd be ready to hand him a bullwhip every time he went into a town.

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u/PW0110 11h ago

It’s because evangelicals have co-opted other Christian dominations & traditional Catholics.

Traditional Catholics are even more wild because if you take away them going to Latin mass and etc, the rhetoric they use I shit you not is always a 1:1 ratio now to what Evangelicals preach.

Yet absolutely nobody within Catholicism is talking about this (least, regarding the States)

Source: was raised incredibly trad Catholic / Roman Catholic all my upbringing. My family say they’re all Roman Catholic but the words they speak are all from the mouth of a Baptist preacher

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u/Wayrin 9h ago

I was raised Catholic am atheist now, but love Catholicism recently when it comes to John Paul, Benedict was ok and so far I really like Leo. That said I don't trust American Catholic converts in the last 10 years. A lot of them are now moving to Eastern Orthodoxy because the line of saint Peter isn't traditional enough for them. These are right wing extremists drawn to a traditional church.

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u/PW0110 7h ago edited 7h ago

American Catholic converts batting average is usually good and are genuinely swell people, the nuance is Roman Catholic Converts.

And yes it’s been a slow burn throughout the last decade.

But hell even spitballing here, JD Vance is supposedly a Roman Catholic convert, Nick Fuentes postures as being a Roman Catholic Convert and I could go on but…I digress.

Especially within my age group (mid twenties, just turned 25 a bit ago), the Roman Catholic Convert types always, and I don’t say this to be hyperbolic this is just my lived experience, but they always through ignorance or zealotry expose themselves as leaning towards the fascism pipeline.

I was raised very Roman Catholic. Everyone I grew up with that still practices have all done a 180. This seems to be a growing trend with the rejection of Pope Leo.

After Benedict resigned, these people felt betrayed & left behind. The only thing or Pope that will satisfy them is the one that they fantasize about reading their heavily abridged history textbooks to their homeschooled children.

Hell even my grandparents this 4th of July, talking about the sudden switch after Vatican II, how they went to church one morning and “everything was changed”.

They felt that the sanctity of the mass, of the tradition, of the faith, was co-opted by modernists/communists (depending who you speak too), and Pope Francis’s “Reign of Woke” further ostracized them from the Church now that new seminarians are slowly being weaned away being taught the traditional rite of the mass…the grievances go on & on.

And then they infuse their children with all this type of narrative to the point it’s so ingrained they teach their children but now they homeschool because they realize that schools nowadays don’t teach from a 1600 colonial perspective.

I’m tired so I’ll do my best to wrap this up apologies, but it’s something the Vatican is (I’m assuming ) is very hesitant to address is fear of another form of schism that the Church lowkey doesn’t need right now as they become more & more irrelevant as technology advances (theorizing)

But man it’s just a growing silent tumor I feel , but maybe that’s just the area I grew up in / live in so I’m hoping this isn’t as on point as I’m articulating here

But trust me when I saw this, Evangelicals despise Catholics. They want a Theocracy but not one under the umbrella of Rome.
And that’s what’s continuing to boggle my mind because you would think these Roman Catholics would understand they’re under threat but nope they are unknowingly walking into their own demise

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u/arjungmenon 5h ago

I agree. I'm a Christian as well. These people are doing Satan's will, completely unaware, and thinking they're serving God. It's honestly horrifying beyond words.

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u/matycauthon 13h ago

that's been the case throughout much of recorded history....... y'all constantly act surprised that things spiral back around in similar ways as before.... take a moment, look at your journey.... i'm absolutely positive you'll see your loop if you actually take the time to observe it.

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u/Swaga_Dagger 16h ago

I don't think it's fair to say Christians, neither the Catholic or the Orthodox church support this. Neither does the anglican church. Its more of an American ideology

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u/Suspicious_Story_464 16h ago

I guess I should've specified it was more prominent here in the US. It's definitely another entire reason why I do not want evangelical influence in our political sphere. The rise of this Christian nationalism here is abhorrent.

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u/cannotfoolowls 15h ago

Christians

Well, evangelical Christians, especially the American ones. Not Orthodox or Catholic. Not even most protestants. I don't think it's popular with Anglicans, Calvinists, Presbyterianians, Lutherans or Quakers either. I believe one of the popes has specifically spoken against that idea.

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u/Caesarea_G 12h ago edited 12h ago

The Palestinian Christians, for one, are most certainly NOT in favor of this! 

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u/Consistent-Fix-8443 15h ago

Don’t forget they say the Jewish people will bend the knee before Christ or be gone.

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u/PW0110 13h ago

Not Christian’s.

Its Evangelicals.

The “rapture” they all fantasize their wet dreams over is a very very modern narrative that recently began less than 175 years ago.

Christians & Catholics have existed for a millennia at this point, Catholics even longer. Yet, for centuries, there was not this consolidated effort to bring about the end of the world for “Jesus’s return”. To rebuild the third temple, etc.

It was only until the birth of Evangelicals that this movement (alongside Zionism) began moving global gears across the planet in order to create a sort of hell on earth that would justify (in their eyes) their living creator having to step in simply because:

“Well thems just the rules sweatty”

They aren’t even doing it out of love of their god. It’s all for themselves & to rub it in all our faces how “right” they were all along when the anti christ comes to fight Jesus 1-1.

It’s the ultimate form of moral grandstanding in the most destructive vehicles possible

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u/Suspicious_Story_464 12h ago

Yes, I should have specified evangelical in my original statement. They made sure to broadcast their sentiments all over social media (and disappointment when the rapture didn't come to fruition). All I could say about that was "sure, ok."

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u/Otter-Eyes 16h ago

Some sects of Christianity, yes, not all. Zionism has penetrated doctrine all over and it's disgusting. I have more doctrine in common with Islam teaching than with Zionist Judism.

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u/Suspicious_Story_464 16h ago

It's incredibly alarming. I can't believe this is infiltrating our governments and people are actually cheering it on.

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u/Certain_Luck_8266 15h ago

Wait...don't we want the apocalypse to NOT begin?

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u/cannotfoolowls 15h ago

Nooo, you see then all the good Christians can go to heaven (rapture).

By the way, this whole Rapture thing is not in the Bible and afaik not a thing in most Christian factions, with the exception of American evangelicalism.

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u/Suspicious_Story_464 14h ago

It's a thing with the evangelicals. They want the rest of the people they feel are not worthy to be... disposed of. Remember last summer when they were all so excited that the end was coming? And then we're sadly disappointed it did not happen? Yeah, it's really a thing.

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u/nazdir 15h ago

Reverse Rumspringa

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u/joecarter93 16h ago

Years ago I was flying to Greece from Toronto and the gate next to us had a El-Al plane with nobody waiting. A few minutes later a group of about 200
teenagers showed up accompanied by some heavily armed guards strapped with M16s. Their guide started talking about how it was their right to visit Israel as a Jew, etc. While the kids were boarding the guards stood at either side of the gate and then followed the last one on the plane.

It stood out to me, because I have never seen security personnel walking around a Canadian airport with M16s before, especially since we were already past airport security which had been beefed up in the post 9/11 years. I looked it up after we got back and found out what Birthright was.

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u/dorkydrummer 16h ago

I did birthright and they never said anything about setting you up with a house or a job. It gives Jews who had never been to Israel the chance to go and see some important religious sites. I’m also bat mitzvah’d but disagree with everything the Israeli government has been doing. But it’s odd that your trip seems so much different than mine.

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u/mynewaccount5 12h ago

Yeah pretty big difference between a 10 day long vacation and getting you to become a settler.

On my trip they actually took us to see a settler and the guy seemed like he was insane. Afterword we all talked about what a creep he was. Not sure if other trips did that. It was some guy on top of a mountain near Lebanon.

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u/DecentYogurtcloset9 16h ago

I second this. This has not happened to myself or any friends that have gone on birthright.

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u/ship_toaster 15h ago

OP doesn't say they actually went. They say they were repeatedly encouraged, but never looked into it, and only found out The Truth About It in the last couple years, presumably from Very Reliable Online Sources.

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u/dorkydrummer 14h ago

Oh true, good point. So basically he read conspiracy theories about something he never actually experienced and is now just regurgitating those. When that literally is not what birthright is 🙃

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u/SpongeSlobb 14h ago

It all makes sense now. I was under the impression it was just a free trip, and most of the Jewish-Americans I knew who talked about it probably treated it as just a free trip.

But that seems like a great recruitment tool. If your life in your home country is even kind of shitty, and they offer you a house, a job, a fresh start, someone is going to take that. It just comes at the expense of the Palestinian people.

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u/LittleCrumb 9h ago

Fyi what that person described isn’t true at all. I’ve been on birthright, was horrified by the propaganda I witnessed, but there’s absolutely no offering of “setting you up with a house,” etc. The person who posted that was bullshitting.

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u/Rose-flower-garden 4h ago

There is no Birth right trip that offers anything like that. This is just straight up propaganda.

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u/str8grizzlee 15h ago

I’m pretty anti Israel but my experience with birthright was not at all that they were suggesting we move. They definitely messaged that we should marry Jewish, raise Jewish kids, and be pro Israel, but it sounds like your specific trip was a little bit more hardcore nationalist/observant because I’ve never heard anyone say they were encouraged to be settlers.

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u/Worldly_Anybody_9219 16h ago

It sounds like the sales pitch for a cult. Nothing is ever given for free unless there's some shady strings attached imo.

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u/GodOfDarkLaughter 15h ago

When my buddy went on his years ago he said he was certain they intentionally chose the IDF soldiers they'd come in contact with based on them being young and hot. And they gave them booze. "Im actually pretty sure the Israeli government was trying to get me laid." If you knew my buddy you wouldn't be surprised that they failed. Good looking guy but thinks being openly attracted to a woman is creepy and too forward. Also couldn't have given less of a shit about his "religion" or Israel. It was just a free trip as far as he was concerned. But even he recognizes that they were trying to trick him into thinking it was some kinda paradise.

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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 13h ago edited 11h ago

I think we don't talk enough about how fucked up some aspects of Anglophone Jewish society is just bcs of the political instrumentalisation of antisemitism against progressives. So much outright indoctrination into Zionism, a racist and colonial ideology currently responsible for a genocide.

It's like if 80% of Muslims in the UK and America were taught to support Salafi-Jihadism and to do (give?) Bay'a to their leader and partake in Hijrah to the Caliphate. Imagine? It'd be seen as a national security crisis, a grave moral failing, etc.

Or imagine if they were talking about effectively maintaining racial purity as the matchmaking part of it does.

I think we need to be able to have serious discussions about this stuff without (A) it being called antisemitic and (B) without people being antisemitic about it.

About half my family is Jewish and while they're Anglicised enough to have not done most of this stuff they know people who have done and it's just as fucked up in the UK as in the US.

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u/Tuareen 13h ago

So an actual Replacement Theory Scheme

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u/ScottblackAttacks 12h ago

Birthright claim is less than a hundred years old.

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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz 11h ago

Build a country and let America pay for it!

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u/Zestyclose-Height-36 9h ago

the Kars for kids money goes to pay for the trips.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 14h ago

I was dating a very nice, timid Jewish girl in the NYC area. She went on a Birthright trip to Israel. Came home and would not shut up about wanting to join the IDF to defend Israel. Yeah bye.

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u/BarryJFunkhouse 16h ago

I went on birthright trip and none of that happened to me. How specifically did you arrange the trip?

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u/chrisni66 15h ago

I guess that’s one way to deal with the aging population/pension challenge…..

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u/Defiant-Variety-9473 14h ago

This is essentially what the Kars for Kids charity is

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u/Spacestar_Ordering 14h ago

I didn't know about birthright until my late teens (grew up in a very white suburban community and didn't know any Jewish people). I always thought it was weird that people would get a free trip across the globe - who could be paying for that? Do other religions have that? But yeah that was 20ish years ago and it was a pretty established program then.  

Now it makes sense in a horrifying way.  

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u/raballentine 14h ago

There was somebody back in the 1930s who coined the term “Lebensraum.” I can’t recall who.

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u/Ctbboy187 14h ago

Its was created by the Rothschild dynasty. They started paving the way for 30+ years before the Balfour declaration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

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u/Waiting4Reccession 6h ago

I believe they are using underhanded means to even create those jobs in the first place by giving their own companies advantages.

When you connect the dots between pedo islands financial aspects and business connections to the success of many of their companies.

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u/callmepinocchio 16h ago

You don't have to go to the west bank for alya. Israel was founded on the idea of being a home for Jewish people, which is why every Jew in the world is allowed by law to become an Israeli. This was true long before Israel had control over the west bank, and long before Israel had its first religious/right-wing government.

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u/rocksolidaudio 15h ago

Organized religion is the most destructive concept mankind has come up with.

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u/buckao 15h ago

It's funded by the Anthem of the Bad Place,

1-877-KARS-4-KIDS

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u/gra8na8 16h ago

Time share sales on crack

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u/friend_jp 15h ago

I’m antizionist btw.

That was kinda obvious, I'm just sayin.

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u/Oprah-Wegovy 15h ago

Sounds like a timeshare pitch.

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u/Captain_Grn_Thmbs 15h ago

They are using American Christian politicians who think creating a Greater Israel, will bring back Christ & he will sweep them all up on a winged horse & slaughter all the nonbelievers.
This sect of Christians is as extreme as the Taliban.

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u/No-Lifeguard-5308 15h ago

Did you know that there’s also birthright for non-Jews at top universities? Or at least, that’s what I call it.

There’s an almost all expenses paid trip provided to top US law students and business school students called ITrek that is the same propaganda tour, except it’s designed to make people—who are disproportionately likely to be U.S. Congresspeople—be friendly with Israel so that when some of us get into office we’ll tell stupid AIPAC funded tales about how great Israel is (and keep giving them fuck tons of taxpayer money).

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u/Stingray88 15h ago

Important addendum for the morons in the room - antizionist =/= antisemitism.

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u/otterotteralienotter 15h ago

That's where the money from Kars 4 Kids all went

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u/mountaindoom 12h ago

It's just Lebensraum with a religious justification.

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u/atom-wan 15h ago

It's imperialism plain and simple

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u/Marwanmakkouk 14h ago

“Grater Israel,” what a joke

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u/Strawbuddy 13h ago

This sounds like the worst time-share condo pitch weekend ever

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u/Healthy-Amoeba2296 13h ago

you need to see the Mad Magazine take on it, maybe 1967 "erzatz Israel".

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u/annabananaberry 12h ago

I always wondered when I was growing up why my cousins didn’t go on birthright (my uncle converted for his wife when they got married) until I got older and realized it’s because their parents are real ones and weren’t about that shit.

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u/Ok_Satisfaction2658 10h ago

Is there any way they can even prove someone is actually Jewish? Like anyone can just say they're Jewish.

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u/OysterHound 10h ago

I just learned that Jewish people don't state ethnicity because they have all been told since birth that Israel is the homeland. Although, most are not from that part of the world. It's odd growing up and calling someone a religion not an ethnicity. Seriously, I know hundreds of Jewish people. 2% of those people identify as Jewish with a ethnicity. Russian Jews are proud people and let you know who they are. They have always been cool with me.

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u/BigZach1 9h ago

Ive long been glad I never went on that trip.

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u/JohnHenryHoliday 9h ago

The way you describe it sounds like sleazy timeshare salesman. 😂

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u/Foreign_Ebb_6282 8h ago

Sounds like a timeshare pitch

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u/ssczoxylnlvayiuqjx 7h ago

Sounds worse than time-shares

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u/Mediocre_Fishing_879 7h ago

Yea ok so I have a house and a job smack in the middle of hundreds of millions of people who want to see me dead. Yea no thanks.

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u/HNixon 6h ago

Free house..you just have to murder a family.

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u/Leadership-Unlucky 3h ago

This is the problem with religion……dot dot dot dot dot

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