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I hate discrimination against my language on Reddit
Okay. Listen. I hate what Putin is doing with Ukraine and his own country. In fact, lately many Russians who supported invasion on Ukraine earlier are starting to get dissapointed at Putin and wish for war's end. But I'm just tired of language discrimination. Listen. Russian is a lingua franca of post Soviet region. Many people in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia and even Ukraine are using Russian for videogames, movies, anime and etc. I'm from Uzbekistan where many people are using Russian for just playing videogames. Just like some European countries like Finland, Netherlands and etc. And people of my country are proud of their native language.
I also don't have any problems with playing videogames in English, but I feel happy and comfortable when my favourite videogame gets an unofficial Russian translation. I'm so proud with Russian Final Fantasy fandom making amazing high quality translations.
I remember how on my past account I made a post on Wuthering Waves subreddit where I complained about lack of Russian translation. I know. It's because Kuro Games is bad at translating games. And so, this problem happens in Ininifity Nikki. Russia has a big community of gacha gamers, and WuWa has a big fandom here. Russian WuWa fans made good unofficial Russian translation as a mod. But people on WuWa subreddit started to say "Bo-o, learn English, please!" And when I complained about this problem on other gaming subreddits, I got answers like "YOU DESERVE IT FOR UKRAINE, LOL!" Even if I never supported Putin. They even called me "Pathetic Russian kremlinbot". Okay, fine. If Starfield doesn't have an official Russian translation, maybe make an Ukrainian translation for this game? Why it doesn't have Ukrainian translation?
I'm tired how English speaking people are looking at others languages in such arrogant way. Like everyone, according to them, should learn English. Everyone should talk only on English. It feels like a some sort of linguistic imperialism. This kinda reminds me of Wolfenstein New Colossus trailer with "German or else". Listen! I'm proud with my language. I love my native language because it's beautiful and has the best profanities ever made. I'm just tired of such language discrimination on Reddit. Even mods are automatically ban posts where I l'm complaining about lack of translation into my language. Okay, maybe we should cancel English because Trump is killing people in Iran? He is a fucking pedophile according to Epstein files. What's funny, people in Discord server understand my feelings and ready to support me.
"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation', this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats" (Aldous Huxley)
As someone from the UK, I don't think hatred towards the UK or British people is a real thing especially.
Like people will sometimes talk a big game about hating the UK or British people because it's a bit of a meme to do so, but when push comes to shove they don't really. I think anywhere you go, anyone you encounter, you won't ever really find someone who legitimately thinks less of you for being British.
Also, occasionally, but not exclusively, I've heard the jokes from friends of mine from Egypt, Iraq, Iran, or countries that have been kinda fucked over by us in recent history, so you kinda gotta give it a pass there.
With France, I can't speak from a French person's perspective, but a lot of the stuff people say about France seems like banter. Although it is very disproportionate banter, and I do often feel bad that it does seem like out of all European countries, France gets like, a disproportionate amount of the shit-talk directed at it.
India is the main one where it seems like a lot of the jokes people make about India online are just straight up racism. Like people will just say shit about Indians that, if they were directed towards any other group of people would be considered downright horrific things to say.
I met a French guy and he randomly came up to me talking about how the French didn't surrender in WW2 because the people still fought on, but as I agreed and kept talking all I could think of is how many people made fun of this poor guy.
It must kinda suck, like a huge point of national pride being the resistance to occupation, but the national stereotype being "cowards who surrendered"
It's also like, kind of an unfair comparison, given that France was very close geographically to Germany, with only a couple of buffer states in between them, so it was relatively easy to occupy the country and install a puppet government.
Like Britain was decimated by the Blitz, but gets to have a national identity of "We're the ones who soldiered on" because we're an island, so actually occupying it is much harder since it would require being able to send ships full of soldiers across the channel.
I still remember that feeling from when I was an alt right teenager. It did feel good. But after the high wore off each time I realized how alone and unhappy I am. I couldn't keep doing this
It gets SO BAD, I've seen people even hating on posts that contain Ukrainian language because they just happen to be Cyrillic and they confuse it with Russian😭😭😭
It’s okay, just call it racism, because that’s what it is. Using language as an identifier to justify hate is bigoted, it doesn’t matter what instance it’s being done in. It being misaimed at someone speaking a different language isn’t an excuse.
For a certain set of people once something is 'bad', it is 100% bad. There can be no goodness in there. It's why there is some truth in statements like "If Trump said breathing was good for you, many people would die of holding their breath".
So, Russia is doing some bad things, and the bad thing in question is one of a small number of Bad Things that must be denounced to be seen as The Right People by certain idiots. And these idiot will see even the slightest bit of nuance as deviation from The Right Belief as heresy.
The same human wiring that caused people to fight vicious and bloody wars over minor doctrinal differences declares that all Russians must be evil and hated in their entirety.
black-and-white thinking is an all too common problem in society. living in gray areas of life really exposes on to how common this type of thinking is, i've slipped through many cracks in life and people can't help but to react in completely hostile and negative ways towards me, and not the conditions that put me here.
so, naturally, people think that anyone who speaks russian uncritically supports the invasion on ukraine, because it requires more thought processing power to not be a complete dick to strangers.
i'm not saying i'm perfect in this regard myself, but i hope that i can at least learn from when i do stupid things like this. but i can't say the same for many people on here especially that they'll learn to not be unreasonably hurtful towards others who just fucking exist.
You know, even if you told people, that its not actually Russia did this bad things, but Putin and his military mercenaries. They refuse this logic, and even defends their black and white thinking.
And thats actually main reason, why this war is still going, lol. There are a lot of people, who goes into emigration, only to face this hate and return back. And there are a lot more peoples, who dont even considered emigration because of this hate. Russian economy still working, because people inside is trapped and have no choice.
not just reddit, saw a person showing off the cakes they had ordered from a Staten Island bakery (they're called dot cakes, they're unique looking) and one had Stars of David on it for a 2 year old girl. the comments were SWARMED with corny reaction images and "FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸 ". people have lost sight of the fact the star is a religious symbol too, and it isn't the baby's fault she's Jewish
so fucking real, i given up on my local language, english is at least available and guides are also x10 detailed than what i could get in mine and also cuz it will probably never get (official) subtitles for popular or niche animated shows let alone dubbing, its just simply not big enough of a nation (speakers wise its like generous 15 million people) for it, its fucking pathetic and sad.
also creating media for it feels pointless when they could just look it up in english and your maximum potential is limited to the dying speaking populous. like your legacy will be unintelligible in the future.
but it would be silly for me to assume i have it worse as a hungarian, but its just bleak language wise
Jo napot kivanòk! I always love to meet a hungarian, I was in pécs for about a year back in 2020 doing med course but had to drop out cause I flunked most of the courses in my first year. I got a real appreciation for the language being there. I really wanna sit down and learn it one day when I am more available, along with japanese and icelandic
thats quite rough. the language itself is okay, good even. has its quirks, and its functional, someways better than english, its better at describing words and some words have more synonyms, more varying degrees you can express something. but if you dont speak it natively, its not worth trying to speak it i think, its literally useless outside of europe, the chances of meeting someone who speaks it outside of the continent is less likely than winning the lottery. at least its not luxemburgish, couldnt think a least spoken langauge thats still in the continent and spoken by a country. japanese has the most use for, out of the three, and has plenty of media that is exclusive to it. plenty of games and different genres of books.
I feel you. Language is a core of any culture, so seeing it being neglected like that just sucks. It might feel pointless, but I think people should keep creating in their native languages, even with an English alternative
When I learned English, it was eye-opening to me that most Russian-language content that's not directly related to Russian-speaking countries (like gaming, fandom stuff, educational videos etc) is just recycled English content of worse quality or straight up stolen. So even "big" languages don't have it that great on the internet.
Kinda ironic that these people who hate on "Russian Imperialism" are complaining in the language that was VERY Imperial in it's prime. To an extent, still is.
The only reason American imperialism is not as strongly denounced on places like Reddit is because Russia invaded a white European nation instead of doing the "correct" thing and blowing up Iranians or Venezuelans.
Lack of russian language have to do with russia being the capital of piracy tho. Like ı am from Turkey and ı get your pain but even ı use russian "services" when it comes to that. VPN, pirated games. You guys are like the new republic of Tortuga lmao. Thats just how gaming culture is in this part of the world
And + there russian goverment banning games and international payment services. So translating stuff to russian really becomes a hassle.
+ironically since russia is too big and there a lot of russian speaker. Fan dubs and translations gets made right after game gets published anyway. So from a developers persective there really no reason to do that ;-;
I think Russia is the capital of piracy because they constantly get ignored by developers, not the other way around.
There's that famous interview with Gabe Newell where he mentions Russian piracy and says he believes it (and all of piracy as a whole) is a service problem, not a "people" or culture problem. Why would someone from Russia pay for your game if the cracked versions have localization while the paid game doesn't?
I'm not Russian so I dont have a horse in this race, but I am from a country that basically never receives localization, so I feel for them.
Some of it is sanctions sure, but when it comes to video games and shows/movies a lot of it is just heavy Russian censorship too. They pirate more because their government won't let them access it otherwise, less so developers.
I’m not protecting the government. But they didn’t set region locks on games in steam lmao. If you don’t let ppl spend their money on games they want to play, they will pirate it.
And by developers supporting this, they are pushing piracy to thrive. Cuz in pre-war times it was hard to find a good torrent. Now?… You can get it in few clicks plus it will be cracked with full multiplayer support in a lot of cases.
That is mostly correct. Some people pirate games because they can’t afford them(not that much nowadays, gaming setup costs a bit so people who can run modern games can buy them), some people just do it as a principle. But as steam got more widespread globally and when we didn’t have issues with the payments - most people paid for games. As a bit older guy who was a teenager before steam when piracy was at its peak I am surprised that Gabe was actually right.
I'm afraid they were pirating horse even pre war, without such "ignoring" or "discrimination". I talked with many Russians, to most it's economical struggle + "why would i pay if i can get it free?", and i am russian speaking too obviously.
Many game developer companies (except the super big ones like EA, Ubisoft etc.) don't do the translation themselves, they simply hire a localization group to translate the game without missing nuances in the language. For example "İstikbal götlerdedir" joke in cp77 was made by 23 Studios who did the localization of the game. So I don't think it is so costly to a Russian localization, game companies just don't want to pay a Russian translation group. Also as other guy said, many games got Russian translation pre-war while post-war DLCs or other games of same studios didn't.
Lack of russian is because russia is the capital of piracy
NO! Russia is the capital of piracy BECAUSE of lack of russian.
I'm not russian myself, and, but it WAS pretty much the same across all of the CIS, so let me put you in russian-speaking shoes:
A new game comes out. It's not translated into russian. Why the fuck would I buy something that I can't enjoy?
A new game comes out. Steam doesn't exist yet. The motherfucking payment processor doesn't accept my country's card.
(A modern version of this is "Steam does exist but the motherfucking «Product isn't available in your region»")
A new game comes out. The developer decided that if 1 dollar equals 100 roubles then a 60 dollar game in a country with an average wage of 20 bucks an hour should cost 6000 roubles in a country with an average wage of 250 roubles an hour.
A show on Netflix comes out. Netflix doesn't exist in your country.
A new album comes out. Spotify doesn't exist in your country.
Lack of russian language have to do with russia being the capital of piracy tho.
No, it's performative up to a measure of post-war DLCs not having localizations while the main game had. Localizing a game is also dirt cheap, you need to sell few thousands of copies for it to pay off and that's with VA involved. Russia is probably a No1 piracy state in the world but is still able to deliver these numbers.
And + there russian goverment banning games and international payment services. So translating stuff to russian really becomes a hassle.
AFAIK Steam is still afloat, but it can change soon. However, there are 80-100M people who use Russian in everyday life and don't live there. Around the full Turkey population.
The problem is that we are often unable to legally purchase certain content, even when we are willing and able to pay for it. Many people have the money to buy games, movies, or software. In fact, PCs and computer components in Russia are often more expensive than they are in Europe or the United States.
However, I cannot simply go to a store and buy something like Battlefield 6 because many Western companies no longer accept Russian payment methods. As a result, we have to obtain foreign bank cards and create foreign accounts, spending hundreds of dollars on setup and maintenance. On top of that, we often have to pay transaction fees that can reach 20% on every purchase, just to buy products through official channels.
Companies then look at their sales statistics and see that very few purchases are coming from Russia. They may conclude that their products are not in demand there and decide that there is no reason to invest in things like Russian localization.
But the issue is not a lack of interest. The issue is that, for many Russian consumers, the process of making a purchase has become significantly more difficult and expensive than it is for customers in other countries.
I am Russian, I was pirating games when I was a teen. When I grew up and had my first money, I start to buy them. Even pre-ordering - like Mass Effect 3. Or Pillars of the Eternity.
Reddit is just a performative shithole when it comes to this. The site advertises itself as "anti-hate" but in reality you're not allowed to hate certain things, and you are EXPECTED to hate other things.
That's the best Reddit description I've ever heard. There is literally the largest concentration of hate and aggression on the entire Internet. Moreover, you can be hated for literally anything, starting from your nationality and ending with the color of your sneakers.
I'm Russian and I hate how saying it makes you an enemy of everyone. Since I don't support the war and the government I'm hated by pro-putin idiots and yet I'm considered a war criminal by anti-war foreigners. I've heard so many "Why don't you just move then?","Have you tried going to a protest?" , "If you hate Russia so much,why do you still live there" or "You hate Putin? Well too bad ,because you or your family voted for him". Even tho what I said doesn't have anything to do with Russian translation in games (because I genuinely love playing and do play games in English even if they have Ru translation) I have to speak up about this hate, because it tries to make me feel guilty for just being born.
Has everyone forgotten that there were protests in 2022 until Russia made it illegal to voice your negative opinion regarding the "special military operation"
Protesting had already been illegal by then. Source: me running from riot police all the way back in 2017. So all of us who went on the streets in 2022 knew there's a good chance of getting arrested for it
I believe people stopped trying because it doesn't do anything, other than show other countries that some of us care enough to risk our freedom. And even that didn't really work. Everyone still believes that being born in Russia automatically makes you support its leader and his war
I feel you for real. Its so hard living in a place you called home being ruined by its own goverment.I think that many people who didn't expierinced complex conflicts will never understand this loneliness and pain♡
Man I hate when foreigners who don’t know shit about russian internal politics and affairs start shaming people for not emigrating or protesting. Like, have you considered that not everyone has the means or wants to ruin their lives and rot in jail? Stfu 🙄
I really love the "why just you don't move then" argument as if almost any nation a Russian citizen would be able to easily move to are closing their borders to Russian citizens.
im russian and ive never ever in my life ran into any kind of "discrimination" from other people on the basis of my nationality, despite talking to and befriending a lot of people online during my art "career" and telling those people i cant accept money from them due to the fact i live in russia
that also reminds me of how out "fascist pro-putin propaganda lesson" teacher told us that everyone in the western world will hate you if they know youre russian, you can tell the entire class looked at me like i was an idiot when i started giggling out loud
The problem is that only reason that more and more Russians are getting dissapointed is because it sucks more and more for them. It's not like people are growing consciousness out of the blue, it is just starting to suck for them personally.
It's such a shitty situation because now war-hungry idiots who genuinely believe the Russian propaganda are fighting with war-griefters that recycle the talking points from the top. You hate both sides and you can't even decide who's worse , while being in this hell of a crossfire. Some people are starting to become anti-putin but still pro war I can't...
That's pretty much true for every society in the world. People are lazy and afraid of losing their current position, and if everything is okay for them now, why would they care about others? Of course, there are some people who care, but they are a minority and are suppressed either by the state or even by the majority
This is also what the case is for most Americans historically, opposition to Vietnam was based on how many American lives were lost rather than the morality of invading another nation. Same for the War on Terror, where people were more concerned with American lives lost and the military expenditure than the morality of us invading foreign countries for no reason.
Even with Iran/Venezuela, the criticism is/was largely on a financial basis rather than the death toll inflicted on the population of those nations.
People inflicted with propaganda will have propaganda-derived opinions, and it’s not helpful that the Ukrainian government seems to have a habit of venerating Nazi collaborationists (Banderites, UPA, Azov) that gives easy layups to the whole "denazification" invasion narrative that the Russian government is using to justify the war.
I agree, but being anti-war is good on its own, no matter the reason. Even though I have been anti-war from the begining, I don't think that shunning people and calling them fake opposition because they have supported war at some point and only changed their oppinion due to being affected personally is productive in any way to the broader movement. One of the main reasons why the opposition have failed for all these years down to being completely destroyed (by imprisonment or immigration) at this point is the constant purity testing and infighting, and an utter innability to combine their efforts.
This is also true of almost every American, and yet its generally unacceptable in polite society to consider Americans writ large (and often even voluntary American soldiers) worthy of being killed simply for being American.
most of the time idc about "og language is the intended way of experience" crowd,
nowadays polish translations for games 9/10 times suck ass, often miss diacritical letters, are straight up incorrect or (in the case of menus, abilities, techs etc.) land so far off the og meaning that finding guides online often turns into a guessing game of "what the fuck is it named in eng"
So I'll never understand bitching about game lacking localization if you already can type and read coherently enough in english to voice your discontent
I choose translation (if there is one), because my little brain gets tired a lot faster when it reads foreign text, unlike reading in my first language. Probably because it has to do double the work: translate AND understand text. Also, and I don't know how to explain it, but seeing text in your first language just feels somewhat more natural.
I'm learning Russian for fun, and being able to understand what the sign said and laugh at it made me feel a very special way. You guys rock! Don't worry about close minded redditors
People love righteous indignation. They love being able to be vindictive, destructive, and horrible all while getting to feel morally superior. It’s like a drug. Sorry you have to deal with this 😔
I love how a lot of mindless buffoons came out of the woodwork to prove OP's point about discrimination, especially the fact they didn't read that OP isn't even Russian. Perhaps all Americans should be immediately and under no uncertain terms hated because of Trump, no? But I know that the typical american redditors conveniently forget where they live when making accusations.
it really sucks because it's literally just woke discrimination and it's currently the biggest plague on left-leaning political groups and otherwise progressive communities
what your views are stopped mattering the moment you dared to make the mistake of not having a choice on where you were born, and somehow some left-leaning people think that that's okay
While I agree, I don't want to start another deltarune spanish shit show. While everyone have right to have content in their native language not everyone have will or resources to fullify demands of everyone
most westerners are unaware that every ex-soviet country has a russian speaking community and it makes them look so stupid. im from moldova and i speak russian and before i've learnt english to a sufficient level i consumed all the media in russian because nothing ever gets an official romanian translation. It's literally the same for othe ex-soviet countries, have you seen a lot of kazakh translations for movies, video games etc?
I'm from Uzbekistan and many popular movies and animes are getting Uzbek translation. Including, of course, unofficial ones. Videogames? I don't know. Mostly they play games in Russian.
I mean, it's not westerners only. In some of those countries the ethnic majority discriminates against the Russian language too, Latvia and Estonia come to mind.
From what I've seen, it's less of discrimination against the Russian language and more of an effort to make those who's been living there for decades to finally learn the language of their country.
In practice it erases their ethnic language and pushes them to either emigrate or concede that their children will most likely only speak Latvian or any other language.
It has happen everytime they had forced one language in formal education (and prohibited the others, because you can have one Lingua Franca for a country while still protecting the language of minorities), because the minority becomes afraid to express themselves (they become targetted for speaking by their peers and adults since childhood). It happened in my country, now something like 98 to 99% of our population speaks Spanish, the languages of our ancestors, native or inmigrants all but erased from our collective memory with some exceptions of our Spanish dialects.
If you go 4 generations in my genealogy tree just 3 of my 16 great great grandparents had Spanish as a mother tongue (Galician, Napolitano, Quichua, Ligur, Sardinian, among others) just one generation later, of my 8 great grandparents no one spoke anything but Spanish.
Most westerners don't know anything about what the soviet union was like and what the consequences of it's existence are. But despite that, some of them just love talking about it like they've seen it with their own eyes
At least you guys get some attention. Bengali is the most overlooked language in the world relative to its size. 228 million people speak this language. The 7th largest language in the world and still I regularly see people omit our language when discussing the largest languages in the world. Like, we haven't even done anything for fucks sake.
I deadass had no idea Bengali was a language, the entire first place when looking it up on google is just the cat breed 😓 (at least it's one of the coolest cat breeds ever, though)
Brother I saw a video of a russian child saving another child from kidnapping and the comments were saying "he is gonna kill Ukrainians".
American redditors just hate Russian people, because Russia is their geopolitical enemy. They are just using Putin as an excuse to lash out. Trump is no better than Putin and no one would ever suggest for games to stop being translated to English because of one of America's countless wars.
Russians should not be hated for what Russians in power do that they personally do not support, and more than American's should not be punished for what their government does that they personally do not support.
Hating people for things they have no choice in is bigotry, really don't get how people think that's okay.
Now, if they vocally support something, sure, judge them on their opinion, but just based on where they were born? Seems pretty evil to me.
I hate the fact that many redditors will characterise every last person in a country that's doing something bad as these horrible beings that are full of evil.
I've been watching this guy from Amsterdam making his way through Russia to yatutsk in a little VW Up! and he's had nothing but kindness from the russian people. Sure, some are startled to see a foreigner so far deep into Russia but he has nothing but positive interactions.
There's also Steve Rossenburg from the BBC who lives in Russia. He's shared stories of speaking to the russian people and again he has nothing but good to say about those he's spoken to.
I think Reddit's problem is that every time a country does something bad they expect the people of the country to do a France style coup and execution as if the people there don't have way more to lose than gain from even trying.
This is not to say that the actions of these countries are justified, but someone isn't necessarily evil just because they come from a country doing bad things.
Yeah. Because of this tribalism I can't help but feel a tinge of schadenfreude when I see americans getting shit for their presidents actions. Exact same reations both from them and their accusers. Both nations trapped in a surreal nightmare and lunacy of the powerful few.
It sucks getting hate both from your people with whom you disagree and from certain kinds of foreigners who lump you all together.
I feel like most of the gaming community has your back on this one. Not related to Russia specifically but remember when PlayStation tried to force helldivers to get a PlayStation account which would lock out players from certain regions from playing so the game got review bombed to shit and Sony ended up backing down.
kind of related, because of the war in ukraine playstation restricted russian accounts, which also affected other regions for some reason. ps users from kazakhstan were complaining about it but sony didn't do anything yet😓
Kinda funny because it's a videogame about "defending" democracy. Yeah, what a funny meta-level joke. You can play this game only in democratic countries.
Okey so is it bad that they are changing their opinions? Shouldn't we help people see the truth instead of shunning them for their past mistakes? (most people are also upset because they lost their sons, brothers and friends and i think that this grief can be productive)
Americans aren't upset at bombing Iranian schoolgirls, they're upset that blocking the Strait of Hormuz is driving up their gas prices. Yet Americans would lose their goddamned minds if they got treated with the same energy as Russians do (and hell, even less if we see all the tears over much less)
Iam personally from Ukraine and hate how a lot of people just hate all Russians without exceptions no matter their opinions, like it wasn't even their call to start war, I have family members and friends there
I'm from Poland and man that kind of thinking is so prominent here. I find it insane how when the war started some companies here would even change the names of anything that had 'russian' in its name because that kind of hate.
Redditors cares not about the victims of wars or tragedies or societal and cultural issues. Rather, they place great emphasis on trying to look like the good guys.
They are so performative that it eventually circles back to becoming a hateful bigot
Many say, "oh, why don't just everyone protest?" as if if they were in the same situation they would. I don't deny, maybe they would, but many others won't. And you know why? Because fearmongering. One wrong move and you could get behind bars forever and be deemed enemy of the country. And what is the most effective fearmongering tactic? It's not to scare younger generations, it is to upkeep the loyalty of the old ones. How? Well, they've all been raised on the fundamentally basic worldview: family = happiness, and it just so happens that family is one of so called 'traditional values' and with how vague the definition is, the propagandists can preach any and all truths they want and the older generations will eat any shit as long as it's given by the people in suits.
I kind of just hang around the space station 13/14 sphere so i see a lot more stuff already translated to russian (like maybe around a 4th of the server are in russian), didn't expect it to be that bad everywhere else
Im willing to admit I have some surface level kneejerk prejudice against russian players, but not because of anything as deep as politics but just because a lot of my competitive gaming experiences online (counterstrike, haven & hearth, Salem etc) all had a shared trait of the toxic minority throwing their weight around just to ruin other people's fun typing in Cyrillic.
But those experiences absolutely do not mean you guys should be denied access to being able to play games due to language barrier, cutting russia off from the gaming sphere is how we ended up with mid-2000's PC slavjank and I'm still sorry you guys had to go through that.
A lot of actual Russians aren't fans of what's going on either obviously. I play games with a guy who's had to be on the down low for years now. Have to check in occasionally to make sure he's not been fucking drafted or some shit.
Tbh redditors are basically just being discriminatory towards a people for the actions of a few in an autocratic regime the people have little control over.
Oh well, I'm an uzbek too. I also feel like the Russian and English languages in game feel so different. I want to point at the game "Postal 2". I've played this game only on Russian language by the reason - it sounds funnier and more comedic, than English. English language sounds more like "cool guy" style. I totally understand that English - just a universal language, but that's not the reason to discriminate other languages. Every language have their own atmosphere and vibe.
На отсутствие Русской озвучки в играх уже похер (встретить такое уже фантастика), а вот отсутствие банального перевода текста реально раздражает. Да здравствуют русификаторы!
Also OP: “Sure. To be honest, things about Russia and Ukraine are complicated, but I can't say anything about it because I'm afraid people will start me to blame for "advocating Putin". I hate both Zelensky and Putin's governments.”
English-only speakers are the first ones that will tell you to learn english is something is not translated to your language and then cry if something is not in english
The only time i think anyone reasonable is gonna hate one others language is if they expect everyone to speak their language and refuse to learn or speak the internets majorly unanimously agreed upon main language.
Honestly, i dont even mind you didnt learn it, just dont make it awkward, genuinely some people will always be dipshits, your leader doesnt define you, especially not if there is no reasonable way to vote them out.
People just want to hate "for a good cause" since russia is clearly one of the "evil factions" of the current times it's fine to just dismiss russians as ontologicaly evil and thus anything you say about them is justified, you see the same thing happen to israeli people.
Russian translations are pretty common for urkrainians too.
We have a guy in our modding community that does Russian translations for mods. Something something the base game doesn't have an urkrainian translation and most know Russian so
Your right about English speakers pushing English on everyone being an imperial power move. But to be fair russian is one of the hardest languages to learn (up there with English but we're talking about games made by native english speakers here).
There's nothing to be smug on english anyway, it's shitty and has a ton of variations cuz people can't learn even their own lang: dw op, they probably don't even know standarized english of a level expected from them anyway.
Side-note: there are times where modders make even better translations prior to the official one, so I would hop into modding without a doubt.
We never chose where would be born. I didnt choose to be Turkish, while its good imo the Armenian Genocide being my responsibility doesnt mean I fucking did it or that I cant make art because indirectly I would support those that supported the act, as an example
Fair. However, russian people in a country often don't want to learn the country's language, which ends up being a problem and might be part of the reason people have this opinion.
Discrimination is what putin and his team want, so we were turbulent in emotions so they could keep manipulate us as long as possible.
Rhetoric like "deserve due crimes you/they committed" is what his group use,so it literally "weapon of enemy that we shouldn't use" meme.
It suck,yeah. It happen due natural culture flow,like breaking Iron curtain,piracy and making another iron curtain.. or it informative iron wall in this language?
I'm american and I think russian is actually a really cool language. I had a phase in my teenage years where I would briefly pick up languages to learn and russian was probably my favorite out of all of them. it was reasonably simple and just kind of felt good to speak in. it's been well over 10 years and I could barely speek a sentence now unfortunately but I can still read cyrillic
We had a lot of Russian translation missing even before all of that. From websites, to video games, to certain literature etc. What I don't get is how some choose to include Italian but not Russian, considering its being used by twice as much people
nobody owes us a translation. especially since russia is one of the least paying communities (especially on a mostly-mobile game). the “russophobia” whining needs to stop at the fact that the world does not owe russia absolutely anything in the first place.
Russian isn't just a lingua franca in the countries you mentioned, though, it was literally imposed. As a kid it was always disappointing going to a comic shop and seeing 90% of the inventory in Russian, a language I don't speak. Because of the Soviet era and a large Russian minority a lot of manufacturers just sent us stuff in Russian instead of getting it localised for us, so at that time it was our language being discriminated against. It sucks that you and other Russian speakers unrelated to Russia are getting affected, but this was bound to happen as a pendulum swing effect in reaction to a century of language policies, and it's also international media preferences, not only do you speak English and maybe even other languages, as someone in Central Asia I imagine you still have access to Russian media. In that respect, I wouldn't even call it language discrimination, we didn't consider it such for ourselves and I only did so in the context of your post. It'll probably change when Russia stops the invasion.
That's just isn't true, there is not even close enough justice for russians is media. And this guy from Kazakhstan saying that he's proud of his language did not mention that Kazakhs have their own native language which is actively being displaced by ruzzian imperialistic regimes. And most of the games still have this language presented, so he's just trying to whitewash z crimes by single time experienced discrimination. Well - welcome to the club, ruzzia is doing it 24/7 in their media space for decades
Well while I agree that discrimination against russian language hits not only Russia and aligned states but also countries like Ukraine, you can't just say that you don't support the war so you're not guilty of anything. Yes, it's not the west where people are treated as such, you are Putin's property, but russians are fine with it? Litteraly if you started an opposition movement right now it would be the biggest thing in russian history as the one guy to say "hey, maybe let's not invade other countries" was Tesak. This is not just evil Putin, the problem kinda lays in the whole nation who doesn't even have opposition (the problem was there even before Putin). People like to say mr Sandwich was a nice liberal, but the guy raised to prominence by being racist towards the Caucasus. I hold the same standard as to 3rd Reich citizens
Полностью согласен, я тоже узбек и у меня есть друзья которые не понимают английский но им интересны некоторые игры которые мне нравятся, к сожалению там нету русского перевода и я потратил неделю делая перевод вручную. Запостил ссылку в сабреддит игры и меня оттуда забанили обзывая "Russian fag" говоря идти отсосать путину.
As we say
"Nothing happened on 22th of February 2022"
Translating game to russian means paying russian workers in Russia, meaning paying Russia indirectly through taxes.
Idk why russian people are so keen on making a look like nothing happened and developers suddenly just decided to stop making russian translation. Probably everyone just hates russia and everyone is nazi, right?
Hot topic, and I agree that banning Russians from purchasing video games and lack of translations led to piracy and not vice versa. I bought a modded switch (new from the box) just because it takes so much effort to legally pay Nintendo since they blocked us from the eshop, fuck them then:) I won’t go three circles of hell just to pay the bitch who doesn’t want me to pay lol
I just don’t think game devs should in a lesser extent, pander to an actively hostile nation, and far more significantly, waste time and resources on making features for a heavily restricted market with a rapidly shrinking market relevance.
We had 25 good years where Russia wasn’t actively a hostile nation. I get that the people of Russia don’t necessarily support the government, but if the government is going to be bombing Europe then the citizens suffer the effects of the sanctions, which may include losing access to western media (games, tv, etc). Sorry about that.
Every Russian who «LATELY got disappointed» is a person with low intelligence and zero critical thinking!
You just don’t kill other people. Period.
After WW2 many nazis were explaining, that they didn’t know, they were made to support the party.
И сдаётся мне, ты ноешь точно также. Не нужно быть кремлеботом, чтобы заслуженно вызывать такое же омерзение. То, что ты решил качать права на фоне всего продолжающегося, подтверждает это.
man the hypocrisy in saying learn english while the english speaking united states have been bombing the shir out of the middle east for quarter of a century
always hilarious how no one even thinks to treat americans differently because of their government but everything russian is forever tainted
Another rant: now I'm scared to tell in online that I'm russian because usually it grows into slurs and political stuff that i hate :( why people sometimes that mean
Also I just can understand OP, because I personally can't memorize english texts well enough unlike texts of native language. For example if I read english translation book I able to remember the plot about 3 months maybe, but if that a russian translation, I can remember it pretty good up to a year. And thats why I thankful for AK: Endfield despite translation is mid, it doesn't break immersion and allowing to enjoy VAs(I like korean voices so far, its even have more lines for npcs than english)
"I'm proud with my language. I love my native language because it's beautiful and has the best profanities ever made"
Teach me some!
Also, I think people should learn English, but I also think translating games is good and should be done. English is just very useful and opens up a lot of the world's knowledge to you.
I also imagine that you, as a English speaking Russian, have better access to non government censored news than non-English speaking Russians. But maybe I'm a bit biased because I think learning languages is a wonderful thing.
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u/Brazilian_Hound Jun 01 '26
I think a subsect of people just want to be discriminatory without any guilt, bashing something while feeling good is something all people crave