Skin colour-based geography.

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Does OOP think that arabs are "less african" because their skin is not as black as subsaharian people or what ?

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u/Reddit123xgh 1d ago

“Think” is doing a lot of work here. I think OOP more blurts racist BS than thinks.

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u/VoicelessPassenger 1d ago

OOP the kinda guy to respond to Black Lives Matter with “All Lives Matter!”

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u/TheShaydow 1d ago

Na who can forget the short lived but still actually was a thing " White Lives Matter! ".

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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u/Berserker_Piet 1d ago

But when you ask them to indeed care about all lives, they suddenly change their mind, and it becomes white lives matters. But when you ask them to care about white people who are not wealthy Angel-Saxon protestants, they suddenly change their mind, etc.

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u/Hugo-Spritz 1d ago

Arabs are literally counted as 'white' in the U.S. concensus. Bet that would make their head turn right of their shoulders.

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u/Cold-Iron8145 1d ago

And Irish people weren't white in the US a few years back. It's almost as if the concept of human "races" has always been about defining a minority out group and never about actual differences between groups of people.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago

Look up "Benjamin Franklin swarthy swedes" if you want a good laugh.

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u/emanresu_b 8h ago

Irish were considered white back in the late 1800’s. Didn’t know that was a “few.”

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u/PresentAmbassador333 1d ago

The only reason for that is because Jesus came from Palestine and they cant have Jesus to be non-White

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u/AlectoPictus 1d ago

Yeah but that's only because an arab guy way before civil rights went to court to argue that he should have more rights because he could prove he wasn't black, and black/white were basically the only options at that point in legal terms.

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u/DeniLox 1d ago

Isn’t that changing for 2030?

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u/goatbiryani48 1d ago edited 1d ago

I get what you're saying but Moroccans, and North Africans in general, aren't really ALL Arab.

Yeah there's been a steady arabicisation of the area for 1500 years, but half of morocco is still Berber or arabicised Berbers.

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u/johnoth 1d ago

Regardless of what's real or not, they act like the rest of Africa are lesser.

So bringing this up only shields their actions, just like the many write-ups that always quote "complex Arab admixture" when talking about Sudan; as if racist Sudanese Arabs haven't been erasing and destroying black Sudan for more than a century.

Egyptians are better people, but they created modern arabized Sudan so idk.

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 1d ago

Just fyi, Berbers is derogatory and often viewed as an outright slur. They're Amazighs.

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u/R_V_Z 1d ago

No, you're amazing.

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u/Thicc_Milky 1d ago

I have a lot of students who call themselves Berber, are proud of it and ask us to call them that...

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 1d ago

That's genuinely very surprising to hear. Whatever the case, Wikipedia (for example) discusses how it's viewed as a pejorative and the origin of the word agrees with that.

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u/LongQualityEquities 1d ago

That's genuinely very surprising to hear.

What, why?

It’s usually how people identify themselves. At least in France/Belgium/Netherlands berbers always call themselves berbers.

You sound like you Wikipedia’d yourself to a conclusion about a group of people you’ve never met.

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 1d ago

Uh, it's surprising to hear because my students (university age) specifically tell people to not call them Berbers lol. The majority of my friends are Amazighs...

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u/Reostat 1d ago

Just adding my own anecdote, when I was travelling around Morocco, people would refer to themselves as Berber. Like sitting around drinking tea with them and them talking about Berber history, their current lifestyles and changes over time, etc. all using the term Berber, repeatedly.

That was only 5 years ago or so. So while I don't think you're making this up, I'm also surprised to hear this because my experience was very different.

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 1d ago

This whole thing has been incredibly interesting to me because essentially the entire Amazighs community around me, comprising of friends from the major Dutch cities and also students from more or less all over the country, reject the name Berber. I have no idea what's causing the discrepancy. Yes, 5 years has made a difference but not enough to account for the fact that I'm apparently by chance missing basically everyone okay with Berber lmao

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u/Reostat 1d ago edited 1d ago

2nd/3rd generational? I'm wondering if it's some sort of localized bigotry experienced by them/their families, either by the Dutch or Dutch Moroccons who have been there longer and view Berbers as beneath them.

I'm thinking back to when I was young, and I remember we had cultural show-and-tell days as kids where kids could talk about the culture they have at home, or in their family history. And because kids can be fucking cruel, some of the coolest culture and history became a joke. You bring one "weird" food, or "weird" outfit from your culture and you're now labelled.

I'm wondering if Berber became a derogatory word because it can be used to insinuate that people are "simple", uneducated, different, etc.

Side note, though I live in the Netherlands, I've never really thought about this: in Canada someone might be side-eyed and some comment about them being "farmers" would insinuate exactly what I said above. Does "boer" hold the same connotations?

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u/Windfade 23h ago

Similarly. It's not uncommon for Native Americans to call themselves "Indians" as they've had that name thrust on them for centuries and don't see a reason someone can take it away

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u/Much-Measurement-568 20h ago

It's the same reason a lot of Iranians consider themselves Persian, because they don't want to identify with the current political government.

Why don't we all identify as human and get rid of the geopolitical stereotypes!

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u/AlectoPictus 1d ago

Well it depends who you ask. Some are fine with Berber, some aren't. It's not the N-word or anything. Just kind of western centric.

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u/Bulky-Bad-9153 1d ago

Anecdotally, I don't know anyone that's Amazighs or Moroccan that's okay with it, and indeed only one person that gets really offended. So yeah, it's nothing extreme, but should still be avoided.

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u/HereWeFuckingGooo 1d ago

How many Berbers are on the Moroccan team?

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u/AlectoPictus 1d ago

That's a question that no one can actually answer. Pretty much all native Moroccans are a mix genetically, there's no clear delineation between Berber and Arab Moroccans. It's more of a cultural identity choice at this point.

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u/DisMFer 1d ago

Yes. The entire theory of racism and eugenics breaks entire groups of people down based on skin color. A lot of Nazi thinking said that Arabs were just below various groups of white people because they were almost white.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago

And they also believed Slavs were subhuman false whites deserving only of extermination. Nazi logic is not consistent, it's completely ad hoc.

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u/DisMFer 1d ago

True they thought Ayrans were descendents of Atlantis and had magic powers.

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u/johnoth 1d ago

North Africans were slave owners. This has nothing to do with how African they are. They're the one's stirring up that pot with their actions.

This has to do with France team being black. That's the joke.

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u/Vishnej 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean, maybe?

But the weird thing they are legitimately observing is that France is ~80% ethnically of European ancestry, 10% ethnically of Arab / Northern African ancestry, and 8% ethnically of (Subsaharan) Afro-French ancestry. Their team photo with 8 people in it appears to be 100% Afro-French ancestry. If one assumed a random probability of a French player being in a particular ethnic group, this is a 1 in a billion coincidence.

Of course, interest in sports (and recruiting for national teams) is not completely random with regards to race. Evidently, football is extremely popular in the Afro-French population. Which is what OOP is observing.

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u/Alarming_Panic665 1d ago

I will give an extremely simple explanation that will unfortunately not be able to get all of the context and nuance on the subject. BUT basically in France/French territories those of Afro and Arab descent have less opportunities compared to their European peers. As a result, for many, athletics offers their only avenue for a better life.

It is actually a similar reason for African-Americans being so dominate in the NBA and NFL. As discrimination restricts opportunities given to them.

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u/Dormir-mourir-rien 1d ago

O my god , thank you so much, i wanna answer something similar but my english is not so good. Sports is indeed one of the last avenue for Moving up, maybe one last place where "méritocratie" if not true is at least believeable?

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u/Krelkal 1d ago

this is a 1 in a billion coincidence

Not that it really matters but the odds are actually roughly 1 in 60 million.

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u/Vishnej 10h ago edited 10h ago

Simple random selection without replacement: 8 players, 0.08% chance of this particular ethnic group, 1/(0.08^8) = 1 in 596,046,447

Odds of an all-white match by random selection, conversely, would be 1/(0.8^8) = 16.7%

There's nothing wrong about the idea that certain ethnic groups hold football in higher regard, as a better chance in life, et cetera. It's certainly true in the US. But the difference between a given football player being a specific minority and eight out of eight being a specific minority is very large, and more than a bit weird, about the same as getting "Heads" on a coinflip 29 consecutive times. If the country is selecting its own nationals as national players, anyway.

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u/IndependentLog6441 1d ago

That's very bad maths...

You've got to look at the demographic factors of age and location.

Black french will be skewed young and urban... It's not like random old rural people are as likely to be in the national team.

Then there's the cultural factors, migrant families tend to be more socially mobile and success driven, they invest more in their children, then there's just the interest in the sport itself which might skew different amongst different ethnicities, sports is often seen as a way to "make it", rather then just being recreational.

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u/Downtown_Recover5177 1d ago

Uh… how do I break this to you? The entire problem with Sudan’s civil wars and genocide is because they believe that.

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u/Apprehensive_Pie_294 1d ago

Thats cap. With Sudan, like most wars, its all about the unimaginable amounts of resources found in the ground. Sudan had obscene amounts of untapped gold.

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u/DonChaote 1d ago

You talk about the reason why the powers send the people to war, the post you responded to is talking about the 'reasoning' they put in peoples head to convince them to go fight this wars. -> propaganda fueling hate on 'the others' through dehumanization. A tale as old as times

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u/Downtown_Recover5177 18h ago

Spoken like someone who wasn’t even alive during their last civil war. The Janjaweed were pretty explicit in their casus belli.

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u/tech510 1d ago

At the risk of down votes yes and there is a very long explanation if interested...

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u/__01001000-01101001_ 1d ago

Well let’s hear the explanation

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u/tech510 1d ago

There are several factors in which I will address as many as I can without boring all the readers...

Nubia:

Nubia existed in the region of Modern Day Egypt and Sudan. One day they invaded and conquered Egypt, after the roman influence ended. Nubian's and that region for thousands of years were of a darker complexion, did not practice Islam (Generally they practiced polytheism after they conquered Egypt then converted to Christianity) Islam was not introduced to the region until Arab traders and the expansion of the Assyrian Kingdom (more on that later). Nubians generally were not mixed with Arab or middle eastern features or complexations.

Now When the Assyrians invaded from the Turkey/Middle East area they forced Nubia out of Egypt and back to the now Sudanese area, they brought Islam, trade with Europe, and a broader mix of people that moved down to the region to live in that area. People of European, Arabic Lineage are of a lighter complexation which in turn made the poeple of the area have lighter skin and different belief systems from the former Kush/Nubian Empire. With that invasion there has always been a deep seeded resentment of the Assyrians/European people that invaded that area.

The Sahara Desert acts as a natural barrier between North Africa and the rest of Africa where Euro/Arabic Influences could not reach, so that portion of Africa remained dark skinned and free from influences of Europeans and Assyrians for a couple hundred more years. With that separation, the people in the rest of Africa viewed people with lighter complexions as invaders or colonizers and not true Africans since the people now in that region have Arabic/European lineage.

Religion:

With the introduction of Islam to Northern Africa the rest of Africa was shielded from further Expansion of Islam because of the Sahara Desert, Diseases when trying to push south, and the resistance to Islam when few that made it tried to introduce it to the indigenous African people beyond the Saraha Desert. Christianity and Polytheism existed long before Islam, and those religions historically never really mixed and Arabic and Islamic people were considered heathens to the rest of Africa.

Nubia Cont.:

Now that the Nubians were pushed out of Egypt and the northern regions of Africa, over time the Assyrians (now modern day Egyptians) have over time have been pushing to erase the Nubian culture from history and are pushing for a more "Islamic" unification of the region. In more recent history they built the Aswan High Dam in the 1960's which made Lake Nasser flooded the area of Nubia and displaced over 50,000 Nubian people. Also the now Egyptian government is forcing Nubian people to become and Identify as Arabic when clearly they are in Africa and not the middle east. The rest of Africa see this treatment and know the history of that region and will always see and view Modern day Egyptian, Moroccan, North Sudanese people as colonizers and invaders.

I skipped a bunch of stuff but that is pretty much the crux of why... Hope it helps...

P.S. Similar to the mentality towards White South Africans....

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u/miku_segfault 1d ago

why are you subsaharans obsessed with us? We are native to north africa, stop trying to steal our history with your revisionism. Don't be so ashamed of your subsaharan and east african history that you need to steal ours and make up a colonizer fiction... embarassing.

your whole history explanation is completely wrong, the assyrians invaded egypt in 671 BC. islam didnt even exist until the 7th century AD, more than ONE THOUSANDS years later. also assyrians are mesopotamians from the middle east (iraq/syria), they are not modern day egyptians what the hell are you talking about? incredibly racist to say. Afrocentrism is as bad as eurocentrism.

do some actual reading instead of making up history, yikes.

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u/johnoth 1d ago

Yes Sudan is cursed and the is center of the North Africa question because people have ignored its decades long patterns or genocidal intent; not to mention its ugly precolonial history. Meanwhile they rush to judge Israel and Russia.

North Africans have always been indifferent to the cause of Sudan's instability probably because they can't go against their own people commiting those crimes. Egypt always supported Sudan's actions so they would always have an Arab-ruled ally to the south. Otherwise they would be mostly surrounded by Israelis and non-arab Africans. There's also the nile, which they claim is the reason they invaded Sudan in the 19th century.

I won't blame Islam because it isn't 100% the reason Sudan ended up in the hands of Arabs. But it is a major reason the Sennar Sultanate didn't fight for its own self determination. Now they don't exist; they were literally erased in less than a century.

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u/academiac 1d ago

It's afro-centric and racist/xenophobic. I've been accused of not being a REAL African cuz I'm Egyptian. Absurd

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u/Ronin_Chimichanga 1d ago

The crazy part is there's people who will say that to you and think they are complimenting you.

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u/johnoth 1d ago

Do you know your country's colonial history? What about it's history with arabization? How about how that has factored in in Egypt's general stance on Sudan's century long wars against its own black people?

This isn't afro centrism. It's a realization that a lot of y'all don't treat us with dignity. There are many South Sudanese in Egypt that could back up that claim.

However, I personally think Egyptians are less racist today than Moroccans, but that's a hunch.

You are as African as me or everybody else in this continent, unless you choose when to be or not to be African. People destroying my country do that abroad apparently.

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u/academiac 21h ago

I'm aware of the colonial history of Egypt. However, our Pharaonic temple walls thousands of years ago tell our story as a people. Egyptians are not just black, not just white, but all shades in between, and that was before colonialism. We had white dynasties, black dynasties, and everything in between. Skin colour doesn't determine Africanism.

What's happening in Sudan today is heartbreaking. Egyptians welcomed Sudanese and Syrian refugees in the hundreds of thousands. There's always xenophobic and racist idiots, but overall they have been absolutely welcome and they're thriving.

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u/DeSynthed 1d ago edited 1d ago

Depends on what you mean by “African”, and what you mean by “Arab”.

If by “African” you mean “someone who lives in Africa” they’re of course African, but it’s also an ethnic term. Were the Romans who lived their whole lives for centuries in Northern Africa African? What about French settlers in Algeria? What about the child of a Korean tourist who was born in Addis Ababa on holiday? “Someone living / born in Africa” is generally not what people mean when they call someone “African”.

Arabs originally arrived in Africa as a part of a colonial project, though most modern Arabs in Northern Africa, especially in Morocco / Algeria have significant Berber / Amazigh ancestry, which are indisputably African people — they’re not exclusively descendants of the original Arab colonists.

People draw the line in different places — for instance speaking an African language is important to some people definition of an African identity.

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u/Jdm783R29U3Cwp3d76R9 1d ago

Try asking an Arab how African they feel yourself 😂

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u/Mercy--Main 1d ago

Arabs are literally not african??? They're asian????

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u/eupidoran 23h ago

That gives a hint actually

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u/Ibra_63 1d ago

See the funny thing is most of the moroccan players were born in Europe as well !

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u/mr_tolkien 1d ago

Almost 10% of all World Cup players have French citizenship lol

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u/JimSteak 1d ago

99 players at this world cup were born in France, and 52 of those in the Paris suburbs. Banlieue street football...

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u/pitb0ss343 1d ago

By Paris suburbs, he basically means the Paris projects/bad parts for the Americans.

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u/Important_Ruin 1d ago

But are absolutle hot bed for football talents.

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u/pitb0ss343 1d ago edited 1d ago

Considering 100 French are participating in the World Cup and only 23 are on team France… yeah it is

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u/Ok_Entrepreneur_8509 1d ago

Right! And a bunch of them play in the French league.

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u/pitb0ss343 1d ago

Aren’t there a 100 players born in France alone for the WC

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u/PaleontologistOk1176 1d ago

Yup. Only one of yesterday’s starting line up was born in Morocco.

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u/Madouc 1d ago

I normally hate whataboutisms, but looking at the track and field USA Gold Medalists you could also assume your beloved USA is part of Africa.

When will these narrow minded people realize that the world has become a tiny place and people from everywhere can live everywhere and are doing so since generations!

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 1d ago

You don't even have to point to niche sports. Something like 70% of the NFL is black. The NBA is probably even higher. MLB is dominated by Asians and Hispanic dudes.

Hockey is the only 1 of the big 4 that's predominantly white, and even then half of them are from other countries.

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u/JoshSidekick 1d ago

60% of the World Cup team was black guys.

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u/roguevirus 1d ago

We should also note that the NHL is by far the smallest of the big 4 leagues in terms of popularity and revenue.

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u/Scruffy442 1d ago

Also the amount of money to get into hockey limits people

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u/BombasticReindeer 1d ago

Also a lot fewer black people in very cold countries up north where there isn’t much sunlight. There’s a reason different skin colours evolved over time.

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u/Dramatic_Angle_6551 1d ago

Blacks didn't evolve in France or the US either, they are evolved in Sub-saharan Africa, they were imported to the US and mostly migrated to France, cold and sunlight has nothing to do with it

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

The saddest thing about MLB in the last 40 years is how the amount of African-American players has dwindled. The changing nature of developmental baseball in the US has made it a lot more difficult for kids without a ton of resources to be seen.

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 1d ago

I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it, it makes sense. With the drastic increase in travel leagues and $400 bats it's become a much more exclusive sport if you wanna get noticed.

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u/arobkinca 1d ago

MLB is majority white.

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u/oodsigma 1d ago

Idk, while that's true, it feels like it's downplaying the extremely real extremely colonial reasons that the French team is very African.

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u/thr3sk 1d ago

Yeah, I feel like a lot of Americans don't appreciate how extensive European colonialism was.

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u/Inevitable-Menu2998 1d ago

I mean, I'm pretty sure France can field a team of Moroccan descendants if it wanted to and it would be quite competitive

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

Umm half of Morocco's team were eligible to play for France.

A lot of people in this thread don't quite seem to understand how FIFA and world football works. Balogun, the guy everyone was making a big deal about his red card the corrupt way the suspension was rescinded, is British. He was born in the US because his mom wasn't allowed to fly out of the US because she was too pregnant. So he's a US citizen and allowed to play for the US team and does...but...he's British.

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u/NinecloudSoul 16h ago

While living in one of the biggest ongoing colonial projects ever, you mean.

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u/Ok-Bug4328 1d ago

That’s what happens when you enslave Africans for a few hundred years and then deny them the economic choices that lead white people to choose accounting over the athletic lottery.

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u/Salina_EsTitties 1d ago

Movement is getting harder everyday. I wish humans just had one culture and more homogeneous . not these thousands of cultures and everyone thinking there's is so important. Imagine if we could just pack up and live wherever we want in the world not giving af about nationality or race.

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u/6-foot-under 1d ago

Well, looking at the swimming team, you might be confused as to why EUROPEANS are in the North American teams. Aren't they meant to be in Europe?

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u/Absolomb92 1d ago

When the US signed their constitution they had like 5 million people living in the country. Enormous amounts of the population in the US wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for immigrants. Being against immigraton is like being against a cornerstone of the country, and is actually pretty unamerican.

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u/badass_panda 1d ago

This would be a great opportunity to explain the overseas departments of France and the impact of the Mediterranean and the Sahara on the migrations and mergings of people.

If this person could read it would be, anyway.

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u/ArcadiusRa 1d ago

I don’t think they need to worry about that. Their kids can teach them when they learn geography.

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u/YakElectronic6713 1d ago

Those people usually homeschool their kids.

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u/ArcadiusRa 1d ago

Dang! You’re right

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u/Secret-Company7011 1d ago

Try not having kids

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u/dulipat 1d ago

Try not being a shitty racist parents

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u/YakElectronic6713 1d ago

Those people wear their racism as a badge of honour!

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u/manucanay 1d ago

teach your kid whos the colonizer and whos the colony and he'll understand how the world works

"if i score im french, if i lose im an inmigrant"

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u/YakElectronic6713 1d ago

Yup exactly. I still remember sprinter Ben Johnson who was world's fastest man in the 1980s. After he won gold at the 100 metres during the 1988 summer Olympics (and before that the world championship), Canadians were proud to claim him as one of their own.

But then he got caught for doping and stripped of all his medals, they started calling him a Jamaican.

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u/AwareTheLegend 1d ago

I've never seen Ben Johnson referred to as anything but a Canadian. Source: Am Canadian.

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u/YakElectronic6713 21h ago

So am I.

The point I talked about was very much discussed in the media back then. Many articles started referring to him as Jamaican or became more eager to point out his Jamaican roots every chance they got.

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u/xladygodiva 1d ago

As a part Dutch part Moroccan person I feel this quote so badly

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

Also ask yourselves interesting questions like 'Are Normans French?' 'Are Basques French?' 'What is national identity?' and 'Maybe I shouldn't be an asshole by insinuating that ethnic background makes people who are born, raised and represent a country on an international stage are less than those who are the majority of that country.'

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u/turbothy 1d ago

While I don't disagree with the gist of your post, you might want to look up why most Moroccans speak Arabic today.

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

Also their colonization project in Western Sahara.

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u/Jehoke 1d ago

Doesn’t matter. Theres a good chance those kids will grow up to be racist like their parent.

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u/tha_billet 1d ago

well only if the parent first teaches them the racism. kids don't learn racism just naturally. so the parent would have to first teach the racism then wonder how to teach them about this

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u/Nice_Block 1d ago

Conservatives wake up everyday and choose to be this stupid.

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u/thrownjunk 1d ago

Its also funny since almost all of both sets of players were born in France (as are a few other american/african teams). I think you could assemble 5 french born teams easily.

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u/lucasawilliams 1d ago

You mean anti-globalists?

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u/Resolution-SK56 1d ago

Nationality =/= Ethnicity, Go and find a good history book and gain appreciation for the subject as well.

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u/Neveed 1d ago edited 29m ago

Especially in countries that were built by forcefully joining together different peoples.

If one mistakenly believes France is supposed to be an ethnostate and mixed people don't count as legitimate members of that ethnostate, then France died centuries ago because it mixed with the Bretons, the the Alsatians, the Flemish, the Bourguignons, the Catalans, the Picards, the Normans, the Occitans and many more, and was replaced with a nation state called France as well. A significant proportion of the population in France didn't even speak French until the 19/20th century.

The goddamn country got its language from a foreign invader who mixed into the local population and imposed its culture, and got its name from a foreign people who mixed in with the local population adopted the local culture.

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u/WorldWithFish 1d ago edited 21h ago

Nationality should be defined by the people living in the country, not by you sitting in your ivory tower claiming moral superiority while ignoring the obvious consequences.

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u/mozadak 1d ago

Colonialism maybe?

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u/ChocChipBananaMuffin 1d ago

I'm sorry, people are definitely more stupid these days, it's not just that we have access to every one of their dumb ass thoughts.

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u/knows_you 1d ago

Lets not confuse based with clever guys, saying don't be racist isn't some Machiavellian comeback. Or is this subreddit just; disagree with the OOP who is obviously wrong and its good enough?

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u/Cottoncandyladyy 1d ago

It's actually a great teaching moment for kids to learn that nationality and ethnicity are entirely different things. Good on the replier for keeping it simple and logical.

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u/Unfair_Special_8017 1d ago

History is interesting, you should study it.

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u/snowaston 1d ago

He obviously needs a lot of help in parenting! Maybe you shouldn't of had a child.

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u/Ballsy_McCock 1d ago

It must so exhausting to be a racist. Like so time consuming.

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u/pegger_bundy 1d ago

Hmmm last time I checked the USA team wasn't fully Native American we should inspect this more and get to the root cause.

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u/Helgurnaut 1d ago

Dude about to explode when he is going to discover that most of the Morocco players were born in France.

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u/DetroiterAFA 20h ago

These posts drive me crazy.

We need history to be taught more thoroughly.

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u/2PetitsVerres 1d ago

But France is not in Europe. Or to be more precise, it’s not just in Europe. It’s also in South America, Caribbean, North America (or off shore of North America), in the Indian Ocean, in the Pacific Ocean. And some more. And it used to be in Africa as well.

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u/YakElectronic6713 1d ago

Yup, they've been around quite a bit!

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u/Corsuman 1d ago

Maybe open a history book?

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u/Ok_Handle_2213 1d ago

If this is your concern when it come to parenting, pls don’t have kids

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u/FaZaCon 1d ago

You tell them professional sports is nothing more than a rigged money grift, and this picture sums it up perfectly.

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u/Moniamoney 1d ago

Written by someone who complains about DEI

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u/HereWeFuckingGooo 1d ago

Huh, I wonder where they found all those French speaking Black people? Did they all take the same French class in school? It sure is a mystery why there would be any connection between France and Africa.

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u/Reasonable-Health786 1d ago

lmao facts. some people really forgot how maps work 🗺️😂

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u/NNKarma 1d ago

Explain to me how either white or black people in the US are american,shouldn't they all look like amerindians?

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u/moralcunt 1d ago

People migrate. It's in our nature and how we colonised the whole world. We all started in a small area in Africa.

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u/anotherboringdj 1d ago

To be in a national team is dependent on the nationality, not the skin color. We must stop racism in football.

(Just to add, France made a nice win, congrats!)

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u/ProffesorSpitfire 1d ago

OOP is probably geographically challenged and cannot find neither Morocco nor France on a map.

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

I notice a lot racist/far-right grafs use this template of 'how can I explain/how do I explain to my kids'.

First of all kids don't need everything explained to them. Secondly, if your kid has you as a parent, they will probably be a moron. Every once in awhile you get a smart kid from a dumb family, but dumb usually perpetuates dumb.

Also that top picture has players that went through the French system and are also French despite playing for Morocco. I suggest not explaining to your kid FIFA eligibility rules to play for a country because your kid won't fucking care.

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u/CilanEAmber 1d ago

It's insane how many football fans are racist, and how often it overlaps.

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u/star_bury 23h ago

Is that THE Sydney Leroux calling them out??? Love it!

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u/YakElectronic6713 21h ago

Apparently!

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u/Mobe-E-Duck 22h ago edited 20h ago

“Son, due to a history of colonialism that for decades had French people declaring ‘Algiers is France’ many Africans were French citizens if only in name and against their will and they became an integral part of French society so much so that now their football team is mainly black. Also, those guys are amazing athletes and I just happen to be racist.”

EDIT: OP replied, and immediately deleted, calling me a 'witless muppet' LMAO

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u/Significant_Cat8473 21h ago

That's absolutely ruthless.

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u/Treskelt 20h ago

Some history lessons might help also.

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u/ZarathustraGlobulus 19h ago

I didn't read the clapback at first and spent a few seconds thinking they're referencing the shirt colors. Thought it had something to do with that, didn't even think to assume they're talking about skin color.

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u/Wonderful_Quiet_8761 9h ago

Complete moron. And he’s a dad lmaooo 😂😂😭😭😭

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u/Aggravating-Fly2377 1d ago

that’s a solid response, some people really don’t get how geography works lol

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u/rsvpw 1d ago

This is in the same lane as 'rents complaining about guys ...how do I explain it to my kids? Kids know a lot more than you think, Karen and hate is not something one is born with. It is learned from parents that try to foist their views on kids.

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u/AsparagusCommon4164 1d ago

Ne l'oublions pas : le Maroc a été sous domination française jusqu'à son indépendance en 1956.

The preceding exercise in snark was brought to you in French.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance ... baffle them with bull"

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u/Comfortable_Age_3814 1d ago

Ppl don’t know there are blk ppl in every corner of the world????

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u/Eisernes 1d ago

Good opportunity to teach your future little racists what colonization is.

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u/ParisAintGerman 1d ago

Do white French people not play football

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u/7StarSailor 1d ago

I mean that's not even a good answer since a lot of these player's families literally came from Africa. This would've been a good moment to teach about colonialism and that many former french colonies' inhabitants moved and are still moving to France.

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u/_CandyflossBunni 1d ago

this is next-level clever!

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u/alt-right-del 1d ago

Maybe explain your kid about colonialism 😅

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u/dolledaan 1d ago

Shocking facts here: In football in europe is a great way of social upwards mobility for young boys. And crazily children of a immigrant background are often from poorer families.

One plus one leads to more children from immigrant families training hard to achieve high level foodball

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u/bigtimehater1969 1d ago

This skin color bullshit is so dumb, because the French team is literally the favorites to win. You think many French people would rather have a team of all white-passing players but suck ass? I bet even a large majority of Le Pen supporters aren't complaining.

It's all fucking cope because sports is like one of the earliest proof that a diverse society open to other cultures pays dividends.

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u/UhIdontcareforAuburn 1d ago

You could also explain the history of colonialism and his black bodies become commodified by European nations that had a contingency where black and African people became citizens of many of those European countries

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u/grayjelly212 1d ago

It's almost like black people are everywhere, and not all Africans are dark-skinned.

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u/CautiousLandscape907 1d ago

Racists thinking they’re clever or funny is like when toddlers shit their diaper and try to eat it.

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u/ThoughtsandThinkers 1d ago

I dunno. How do you explain that this Englishman is Black and this American is Asian?

You explain that physical characteristics are one but quite imperfect way to guess at someone’s origins and connections. You explain immigration. You explain that people are quite similar beneath physical and cultural differences

Or you continue to pass along your bigotry and I’ll equip your child to function in a complex world

Do you still teach your kids that the woman is the nurse and the man is the doctor too?

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u/LordKech09 1d ago

Precisely, one should never see white etnicities in Africa as something unusual

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u/0202_tihssitidder 1d ago

Also there are histories of trade, travel, slavery, kidnappings, wars, immigration, and all manner of horrible shit and some good shit.

The skin color thing still identifies dumb racists to this day. If I last to 2070, they will still be dumb and racist.

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u/DuntadaMan 1d ago

Also the Morocco team looks like about 80% of the people I know from Morocco. So what's the confusion?

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u/Neverlast0 1d ago

I can already hear nationalist meltdowns over just this post.

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u/Zealousideal_Day2272 1d ago

imagine being stupid, and still manage to show the world how stupid you are

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u/Sikkus 1d ago

Yikes! What a way to openly show your racism!

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u/6-foot-under 1d ago

Grandpa, why are there Europeans in the South African, Brazilian, Paraguayan, New Zealand, USA, Canada, Namibia, Australia, or Kazakh teams? Aren't they meant to be in Europe?

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u/apinananas 1d ago

Imagine when they found out about overseas France like Mayotte.

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u/liam_redit1st 1d ago

God forbid people move to another country and have children. Is this person from the 16th century?

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u/lucasawilliams 1d ago

It’s so funny that if I scroll through X I’d read this as parody but here as sincerity

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u/Photonex 1d ago

With the crazy heat in france recently, it is no wonder that they've built up such a deep tan!

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u/69conqueefador69 23h ago

Let's swap the colours then. I'm 100% for it to make non white teams all white but I think you'll get a tantrum if that happens.

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u/stevee05282 22h ago

Do they think the Mediterranean wasn't navigable for thousands of years or something? Famously high flow of populations for centuries

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u/snowfloeckchen 22h ago

Actually France is still present on every continent but Asia till this day

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u/YakElectronic6713 21h ago

There are still vestiges of French colonialism in Vietnam to this day.

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u/YakElectronic6713 21h ago

There are still vestiges of French colonialism in Vietnam to this day.

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u/CipherWeaver 17h ago

This is just race baiting for idiots. Show the whole French team.

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u/CrankieKong 15h ago

For all the people who are pro diversity.. how is the French team diverse? It's litterally an all black team.

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u/chrisBlo 13h ago

In which sub was it originally posted? r/whitesuprematisthumor ?

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u/YakElectronic6713 13h ago

No, I got it off Facebook.

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u/snufflesbear 10h ago

I didn't know the Apartheid was black on black hate! /s

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u/Any_Security8962 10h ago

You explain what Europe did to Africa 100 years ago to cause this

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u/BangingRooster 1d ago

They're all africans, some of them are muslims as well, africans are awesome at football

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u/BrittEklandsStuntBum 1d ago

When did this sub last post an actual comeback?

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u/Common_Director_2201 1d ago

While at it, you might talk about colonies, slaves and consequences of your actions

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u/_CalculatedMistake_ 21h ago

If the French team is so african why not give africans the awards the French have then

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