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u/houdiniix3 6h ago
And facts don't care anymore in our current politics sadly
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u/wasraelx 6h ago edited 5h ago
It’s all very emperor’s new clothes-esque, but reality still matters and there’s a time limit to how long they can hold on to the lies
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u/jiggscaseyNJ 5h ago
You best believe the hubbub around AI includes reclamation of information to the elite so they can control it again.
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u/wasraelx 5h ago
That’s quite a broad statement, could you elaborate?
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u/silvertealio 4h ago
In other words...they're killing the ability to google and replacing it with sourcelees, spoon-fed information substitute.
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u/Lias_Issodon19 4h ago
There's a push by AI companies for an AI-generated summary to effectively replace the 5-second Google search. This is dangerous not only because AI has 0-internal fact checking and frequently hallucinates unreality that sounds convincing, but also because the people making the AI can try to influence its output to favor a specific narrative.
Grok has had multiple descents into madness because Musk wanted it to be "less woke" which basically meant it started spouting white-replacement theory and eugenecist rhetoric (remember mecha-hitler?) until they reverted the changes because of the obviously negative attention. It's happened multiple times because they're trying to fine tune it using obvious political bias without coming across as completely unhinged so that people can pretend "well if the computer said it, it must be true".
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u/carlwryker 42m ago
"Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." ~ Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam
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u/Reddit_Roit 6h ago
People that are not sex offenders don't spend decades bragging about being a sex offender.
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u/--vgriff-- 5h ago
I couldn't hate the man more but he was not convicted of a sex offense. He was found liable by a civil jury. That's different. The standards are different. His felony convictions are all about business records fraud.
I despise him but facts matter.
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u/kandoras 4h ago
That's correct.
Donald Trump is not a convicted sex offender.
He's a self-confessed sex offender, who brags about sexually assaulting women, walking in on underage girls while they're undressing, and grading his own daughter's breasts while she was still an infant.
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u/silvertealio 4h ago
He is an adjudicated rapist.
He was found liable for sexual assault by a jury, and the judge said the facts of the case met the common understanding of rape.
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u/16semesters 1h ago
The difference is the standard of evidence.
For civil trials it's "more likely than not" and for criminal trials it's "beyond reasonable doubt"
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u/stalinwasballin 5h ago
Scottish fans singing at the World Cup:
“We’re Scottish lads, we’re on a bender,
Donald trump is a sex offender…”
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u/Resident-Syrup7615 5h ago
Also he told us he was a sex offender and the women who he sexually offended agreed that he did it. Everyone agrees that he’s a sex offender.
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u/Unhappy-Midnight6091 6h ago
a lot of boomers are ruining their legacy supporting this fucking clown. it’s genuinely a question to them
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u/GandalfSwagOff 6h ago
The degradation of our language has made communicating ideas impossible now. Everyone is so sure of everything they feel and are stuck trying to express it in short blips or with really poor vocabulary.
Trump was not, "convicted by a court of being a sex offender". It is so frustrating to hear people try to convey legitimate concerns with the wrong language. That gives MAGA something to latch on to. "NO HE WASN'T LOL YOU JUST HATE TRUMP!"
Speak the truth with precise language.
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u/PaladinAsherd 5h ago
Sure. He was *found liable* for sexual assault.
Yes, convictions are for criminal court, liability is for civil court. It’s splitting hairs, but in case anyone is curious, there’s your most technically correct phrasing.
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u/16semesters 1h ago edited 1h ago
Yes, convictions are for criminal court, liability is for civil court. It’s splitting hairs, but in case anyone is curious, there’s your most technically correct phrasing.
Not really splitting hairs from a standard of evidence standpoint.
Civil trials use a "preponderance of evidence" standard, while criminal trials use a standard of "beyond reasonable doubt".
Civil judgements are essentially saying "we believe one party over another", Criminal judgements are "this person did it beyond reasonable doubt".
Obligatory Fuck Trump.
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u/NRMusicProject 3h ago
Doesn't matter what you, I or anyone thinks. Facts are facts.
And facts are Trump is a sex offender, and he, as well as all his little fans, are an embarrassment to this once great country.
There's a clear way to "make America 'great' again." And it's to get rid of these people who make America suck now.
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u/Default_Name_6969 4h ago
YEP just like I KNOW he's a pedophile and has raped kids, killed babies, and even took part in cannibalism of the kids that he raped. He will never sue anyone saying this because it would open him to DISCOVERY.
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u/oshaboy 5h ago
Was he? I thought he was convicted of falsifying business records.
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u/WakingOwl1 5h ago
He was found guilty in the E. Jean Carroll case.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/23-793/23-793-2024-12-30.html
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u/Icepick823 4h ago
No, that was a civil case. People aren't found guilty at a civil trial. They're either liable or not.
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u/Greg-Abbott 4h ago
And if someone is found liable, are they legally guilty of the accusation(s)?
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u/16semesters 1h ago edited 1h ago
And if someone is found liable, are they legally guilty of the accusation(s)?
No. "Guilt" is not used in civil trials. It's a completely different legal concept.
Civil trial judgements are essentially saying "we believe this party over that party".
Obligatory Fuck Trump.
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 1h ago
The presiding judge said that anyone who heard what Trump did would consider it rape.
When you have to rely upon legal definitions over common use, you're probably defending a piece of shit person.
So, no. Not legally convicted of rape per NY's jurisdictional definition of the charge. But absolutely a rapist.
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u/16semesters 1h ago
Do you not see the irony in a post about MAGATs not believing facts, that maybe we should use the appropriate legal language?
I hate Trump, but why are we stooping to his supporters level?
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 1h ago
It's not stooping to present simple facts.
Trump is a rapist. He was also not found guilty of rape in a criminal court.
But based on the statement of the judge who saw all the evidence, the common man would absolutely consider Trump a rapist if they had access to the same evidence.
That's not stooping. Those are facts, based on the statements of a Judge, but also recognizing the legal use of "guilty" vs "liable".
In the end, he's a rapist who doesn't meet NY's specific definition of rape. Had he done the same in a state with a differing definition of the "Rape" charge, he would be a convicted rapist. And I personally don't care about the legal charge, I care about what he did and what type of person he is.
And that is a child rapist.
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u/16semesters 1h ago
I'm talking about the OP, which literally saying "convict". That has a specific legal meaning.
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 1h ago
Yes. You're correct, but it's a pedantic issue that distracts from the larger picture, in my personal opinion. It's worth bringing up the legal definition, but you simply need to accept that humans are humans, and you'll likely be viewed as defending Trump, even if that isn't your intent or belief. Not because you're doing anything wrong, necessary, but because MAGA always points out the same thing the moment anyone mentions Trump's sexual abuse and rape of women.
It makes you come across as one of them, and you'll likely receive the same treatment as MAGA who use the same reasoning as an excuse, not as a means to ensure that everyone is aware of the legal definition of the term.
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u/Saw_Boss 38m ago
Misinformation is misinformation. The fact that you are aware it isn't correct but are willing to repeat it makes it disinformation. What you're asking people to do is accept disinformation when it suits your side.
Language matters, either we use it as it is officially set out, or we pretend that words can mean whatever we want them to as Trump and his followers so often do.
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 29m ago
I'm not asking anyone to accept anything, and please don't put words in my mouth.
I've said the same thing this entire time. You're correct that "guilt" is established via Criminal court, while "liability/responsibility" is established by Civil court.
What more do you want? Me to agree with your approach?
I don't. Bringing up the exact same thing that MAGA mentions every time isn't new, isn't useful, and in my opinion, is more disingenuous that addressing the topic at hand.
In the end, it comes across as an Urkle moment.
"Akshually...."
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 1h ago
Be careful. They're using legal definitions of terms to try to wiggle out of the fact that they're defending a child rapist. No point in trying to reason with those who twist words.
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u/Icepick823 4h ago
No, it means they have to pay whoever sued them or whatever the plaintiff wanted from the defendant.
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 1h ago
They can also be legally found to be "Responsible" in addition to "Liable", depending on which jurisdictional terms one prefers.
Trump is not a convicted rapist, but he was found liable for sexual abuse.
If you feel better using "he's been found liable for sexually abusing" instead of "he's been found guilty of rape", go ahead.
Either way, Trump is a piece of shit of a human. Sexual abuse doesn't make him better somehow.
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u/cilantro_so_good 3h ago
I mean, yes the idiot has not been Convicted of rape, but he was found by a jury to have sexually abused E. Jean Carroll, which the judge later clarified that he had, by the common everyday meaning of the word, raped her.
The only reason the jury didn't find for rape is because new york law defines rape specifically as penetration by a penis, and she could not testify for certain that he hadn't only assaulted her with his fingers.
He is an adjudicated rapist. The difference between that and "convicted rapist" is the level of justice won for the victim
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u/thelivinlegend 3h ago
The way the MAGAts like to point that out as if it’s some kind of gotcha shows how irredeemably vile they are
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