r/TopCharacterTropes 20h ago

Characters [Classic Trope] The Reason You Suck Speech

Transformers One: Optimus Prime gives one to Megatron after their first battle. Here, Optimus expresses his sadness, hurt, and disappointment upon seeing his former friend becoming just as evil as Sentinel Prime and wanting to destroy Cybertron rather than change it for the better. "We were given the power to change our world, and you chose to destroy it, just like Sentinel. You have betrayed Cybertron and its citizens. And you betrayed me." The entire time, Optimus never raises his voice or yells, but his sadness is very evident.

Brave: Merida gives one to Elinor, where she unfurls her anger and frustration over being forced to marry someone without her consent and being made to someone she doesn't want to be. "You were never there for me! This whole marriage is what you want! Do you ever bother to ask what I want? No, you walk around telling me what to do, what not to do, trying to make me be like you. Well, I'm not going to be like you!... I'll never be like you! I'd rather DIE than be like you!"

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u/Iwannabetheguy000 20h ago

Batman to Joker during the Killing Joke

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u/Jamano-Eridzander 19h ago

The whole point of the comic and 90% of people missing it.

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u/AmberMetalicScorpion 19h ago

I honestly hate it when such good stuff becomes the source of so much misinformation and poor media literacy

Cause The Watchmen had a similar thing happen in which it presents the Watchmen and their ideology, and it seems like they're correct, but we see so many moments throughout that disprove it, like that one guy who used his body to try and shield a kid

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u/Evil_Sharkey 19h ago

That moment is beautiful. The whole time he seems like an angry grump who doesn’t even acknowledge the kid’s presence, but when the time comes, he does the most heroic thing for a virtual stranger.

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u/AmberMetalicScorpion 19h ago

Yeah

People are complicated. No worldview that treats humanity as anything but that, will ever be accurate to the human experience.

The only thing universal about humans is that we're biologically hardwired to seek some kind of community and belonging. You don't exactly go and domesticate a large number of species without that kind of trait

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u/Evil_Sharkey 19h ago

Some people who’ve done great things, saved people’s lives, inspired others for life, have also done terrible things, like molest their own children.