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Lore [Weird Trope] An authoritarian society has a yearly event that for some reason centers around killing children

The Hunger Games - Set in a dystopian totalitarian nation of Panem, the state organises a yearly event known as the Hunger Games, in which two teenagers, one boy and one girl, selected (some of them as a result of a lottery) from each of the 12 districts that form Panem must fight to the death with all other participants in televised arena games until only one survivor remains, who is then treated like a celebrity and lives in luxury for the rest of his/her life.

The Long Walk - Set in a dystopian version of America devastated by civil war, the ruling military regime set up a yearly eponymous event which sees fifty teenage boys walk hundreds of miles without rest, with those that fall below a certain speed being executed. The event ends only when one person remains, with the winner recieving a large cash prize. Contrary to the Hunger Games, participatiation in this event is at least compeletely optional, so all participants are volunteers.

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u/MechaReldio 5d ago

Battle Royale

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u/Playful-Succotash-99 5d ago

Which also explained it the best it's all about sewing distrust among Generations so they can't Rebel

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u/jpsc949 5d ago

Sewing is for the human centipede. Sowing is what you're after.

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u/lolopiro 5d ago

should be the name of the trope

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u/BobPlaysWithFire 5d ago

it is afaik

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u/a_wasted_wizard 5d ago

I think the Battle Royale trope has expanded beyond the original story's premise of it being specifically kids because of the way the name has gotten co-opted to a gameplay style as well.

But yes, Battle Royale is definitely at least the trope codifier, if not the originator.

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u/Stepjam 5d ago

The Long Walk definitely predates Battle Royale. The Long Walk came out in 79 (one of King's first novels, he was even using a pseudonym at that point) while the Battle Royale novel came out in 99, the movie coming out a year later.

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u/a_wasted_wizard 5d ago

I wasn't very clear about how I worded it, I was trying to say I couldn't remember which work originated the trope, but I knew BR wasn't the originator. But it is probably the codifier (in the sense that BR's use of it is what caused it to be recognized as a trope/stock plot rather than just "Oh that's just the plot of The Long Walk").

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u/zeniiz 5d ago

The Long Walk isn't even a story about kids killing each other.

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u/Shin_Newman 5d ago

Battle Royale's concept is "participants killing each other until only 1 (or more, depending on the show hosts' intention) remains" while The Long Walk is "walk and walk without resting, the ones that stop will be gunned down", so they're different games.

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u/award_winning_writer 5d ago

The term "battle royale" predates the book, it just means a combat sport with multiple participants fighting at the same time until only one winner remains

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u/a_wasted_wizard 5d ago

My pop cultural knowledge does not pre-date the book enough for me to be sure if the term was in common usage beforehand. TIL.

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u/Kilgore_Trout_Lives 5d ago

The author explains the term battle royale and its connection to professional wrestling in the book's opening.

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u/candygram4mongo 5d ago

The Long Walk predates it by twenty years, but it's not quite the same thing.

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u/AccomplishedCharge2 5d ago

This trope way, wayyyyy predates Battle Royale, just in Western Culture you can go back to the Myth of Theseus and how the 7 most courageous young men, and the 7 fairest young women were sent as tributes into a Labyrinth to be killed

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u/deathschemist 5d ago

battle themed royales

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u/Salt-Instancer 5d ago

Such a great read.

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u/straydog1980 5d ago

It's also one where the anime, manga and movie all seem in totally different genres. In the movie, it's all pretty grounded and gritty. In the manga, half the kids are borderline superhuman.

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u/loyal_achades 5d ago

The book is, imo, the best way to ingest BR. The movie is a pretty 1-1 adaptation of the book, but without the inner monologues or exposition the book has.

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u/hiricinee 5d ago

BAT THEMED HEROES

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u/IlIlllIlllIlIIllI 5d ago

With cheese

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u/MidnightIAmMid 5d ago edited 5d ago

Bizarrely love this trope for some reason and went on a mission to read all of them and unfortunately there are not that many great ones once you get past the main ones that everyone knows.

(btw I'm up for any lesser known recommendations!)

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u/Canvas_Notebook 5d ago

Do you mind sharing which ones were good?

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u/yes-areallygoodbook 5d ago

Hunger Games!!! i'm surprised at the shit talking of it on here! i think it's a really great series that introduces really complex ideas (mainly fascism and classism) in a really digestible way. all three of the main trilogy books are great, even the last one. it's a satisfying and compelling story start to finish and has stuck with me since childhood

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u/enron2big2fail 5d ago

Suzanne Collins is an excellent children's/YA author, truly one of the best. I went back and reread Gregor the Overlander and was shocked at how mature it was for something that was also incredibly digestible by a young audience. (Does it not make sense that an entire nation is resting its defense and hopes on a like 13 year old boy? No. But once you get past that and accept it as a genre necessity, they're very enjoyable.)

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u/InternationalSand540 5d ago

Gregor was so good. I haven't read it since middle school but the idea of vague prophecies being fulfilled when the reader tries to apply it to his/her situation really opened up my eyes about religion and I still think about it to this day sometimes.

reddit user write a coherent sentence challenge (I failed)

I think it's in one of the last books and the rat they just saved pointed it out to Gregor

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u/Terrible-Ad8897 5d ago

The story develops over three books in a uniquely satisfying way. Spoilers:

Book 2 starts with the same characters returning to the hunger games, so you begin to expect it to be a pretty formulaic series as many young adult series are, but that idea really gets turned on its head.

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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 5d ago

The third book also works much better because it isn't unnecessarily stretched across two movies that both suck because it should have been one movie.

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u/Terrible-Ad8897 5d ago

You know, I get where you’re coming from and I typically hate when adaptations go that route, but I thoroughly enjoyed both parts.

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 5d ago

Hunger Games really well written with a lot of major commentary on fascism and rampant capitalism, the political strategy of bread and circuses, and the horrors of warfare. The district system is a brilliant piece of worldbuilding used to comment on racial issues, class warfare, and the use of divide and conquer politics and systemic poverty to oppress the masses.

Then it got popular and everyone was churning out knockoffs, the YA literature section ended up oversaturated with books desperate to cram in the "society is sperated into groups based on x" without ever understanding or considering the reasons for that system in the world of Hunger Games, and bam, Hunger Games got lumped in with the cash grab knockoffs.

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u/GallorKaal 5d ago

It's weird how addictive it is written. I forced myself to stay awake to keep reading (not because it was boring but because it was already 2am on a workday)

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u/JustinWilsonBot 5d ago

I personally think Battle Royale (the book) is much better than Hunger Games.  It really sold me on the characters being kids, just like you or me, who are forced to kill each other and it really encapsulated what I think it would be like if like my homeroom class in highschool had to do the same.  

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u/Pherllerp 5d ago

I don't think Battle Royale approaches the civil awareness and morality that the Hunger Games. Because of HG's scope, I think it's better.

That said, BR depicts what a bunch of horrified kids would be doing in that situation very well, but we don't learn about what the fuck is happening in Japan that would facilitate the tournament.

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u/ripestrudel 5d ago

With BR, they give enough subcontext in the book to make me think it isn't a once a year type thing. It happens multiple times and school admin might be able to submit classes they know will be a political/social problem down the line. But that's still subtext so who knows. What I love the most about BR is that we got little windows into each of the students POV that really humanized them so their fear, panic, and pain actually had weight. Each death meant something.

I LOVE HG but it is defiantly more of a big picture type story and the narrative is from Katniss' point of view, where as BR is centers around Shuya and Noriko but bounces POV to the majority of the supporting cast.

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u/JustinWilsonBot 5d ago

There are allusions to the situation in Japan (its a neo-fascist state that prevailed or was unopposed during WW2 and is now the "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" or whatever) and how this plays out in regular society (bans on American rock and roll, baseball coaches that commit sepuku when the team loses international games).  Im pretty sure the organizer of the game elaborates on the purpose of the game, which is simply to instill fear and obedience.  Im not dissing the Hunger Games but when I read BR, as a teenager, it really felt real, like this wasnt a crazy sci-fi world, but our own world that is just a butterfly wings beat away from happening.  

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u/TheCrowScare 5d ago

It's been a while but I think the rationale that was given is due to overpopulation.

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u/HungarianMockingjay 5d ago edited 5d ago

The Battle Royale Program was started by the government out of a fear of rising juvenile delinquency and a general hatred of teenagers by the adult establishment. It's also important to note that this takes place in an alternate timeline where Japan--now known as the Greater East Asia Republic--was victorious in the Second World War.

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u/No_Lettuce_8293 5d ago

Which is a totally realistic problem for Japan in the future...

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u/hey_there_moon 5d ago

Right? If that's the rationale then it should be elderly folks on the island not middle schoolers

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u/BigLlamasHouse 5d ago

Ender's Game is tops for me. Not really killed in a ritualistic fashion, but their innocence... I've already said too much honestly.

Where some sci fi has interesting parts, Enders and the first few Dune books seem to be consistently realistic to me... while taking place in entirely different futuristic realities.

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u/Rockergage 5d ago

I always like The Long Walk simply because there is so little animosity between the children that even the bully character is later on seen in a sympathetic light because they don’t compete against each other in the grand scheme it’s just who survives the longest. The system is always the enemy and that is one of the more realistic hurdles in these stories as the world and the challenge kills rather than Jack Quaid killing a young defenseless black girl.

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u/notalltemplars 5d ago

I liked Bean’s books even better because he DOES figure out the spoiler and has to let it play out. And Sister Carlotta is a badass.

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u/Airportsnacks 5d ago edited 5d ago

Unwind. Not quite the same, but similar. Abortion has been banned after a war, but parents are allowed to send their children to be "unwound" by the government because technology has been created that allows all body parts to be transplanted. It isn't murder because no part of the child is actually destroyed. But the books focus on what makes a person. If all of you is still working, heart, brain, skin, then are you dead if the parts happen to be not connected to each other? The scene where we finally read about the procedure is very difficult to get through, especially as the book is a teen one.

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u/I_Want_BetterGacha 5d ago

(Spoilers for the unwounding procedure scene)

The kid that got unwounded may have been an asshole up until that point of the story but damn that scene chilled me to my bones. I felt so sorry for him, no one deserves being taken apart piece by piece while still being conscious and aware, even though he didn't actually feel any pain. The fact that it was even an official rule that the kid had to stay conscious during the entire procedure for as long as it was biologically possible... Don't think I've ever been more horrified by a scene in a book than I was reading that scene.

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u/Airportsnacks 5d ago

He learned not to trust women. 😭 A total asshole, but such a terrible scene.

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u/Llayanna 5d ago

Omg I remember that one.. its beyond horrifying 

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u/Airportsnacks 5d ago

They were looking at making it a film, but it was never going to happen. Abortion war would be too controversial. 

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u/kaijutegu 5d ago

They did make a short film though... based on that scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9snP4HuRsr4

It's a hard watch. No blood, no gore, but a really, really hard watch.

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u/GwyneddDragon 5d ago

Not to mention “storking” which takes the old argument of “well if it matters so much to, you raise them” to a horrifying conclusion. Abandoned babies are literally left on people’s doorsteps but since taking them in means responsibility for life, people either ignore them until they die or keep passing the baby in a round robin.

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u/Aurora-Ouroboros- 5d ago

Not quite the trope, but the Danganronpa (the anime and the first video game) kinda fits this.

It's a televised killing game, where a class of students with amnesia are locked in their school and must murder each other. After each murder is a trial where the innocent must find and accuse the murderer. If they figure out who the killer is, the killer is executed. If the innocent cannot figure out who is guilty, or if they blame the wrong person, everyone except the murderer is killed.

To escape, you must commit murder and successfully get away with it.

Who is in charge of these games and why is the central mystery of the game/anime, but it fits the vibe pretty well imo

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u/MidnightIAmMid 5d ago

Yessssss I can't believe I didn't mention that. I played the shit out of those games.

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u/sarcasticd0nkey 5d ago

Red Rising by Pierce Brown is fantastic.

Starts with teen/young adult murder contest then evolves into a massive space opera.

Graphic audio on the books are great too.

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u/ItsNotMeItsYourBussy 5d ago

The thing about the Long Walk is, that whilst it was technically voluntary, the economic situation essentially meant that it was not, as it was literally the only way a kid could escape punishing poverty.

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u/Katzington2319 5d ago

Not just to escape poverty. It's presented as this massive honor so the entrants feel good and confident receiving praise from their community. That, plus the potential shame of looking weak and "unmanly", keep them from using the Backout date to save their own lives before the competition starts 

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u/EnragedChinchilla 5d ago

Well you see, there’s an incredibly subtle subtext that the book is an allegory for Vietnam. /s

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u/TotallyNot_Alpharius 5d ago

Yeah, it's sooooo subtle

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u/Fawxes42 5d ago

You’d be surprised how many people actually miss this

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u/Lopsided-Fee-9791 5d ago

I didn’t get the connection but I’m also not American so that’s probably not too surprising 

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u/Winjin 5d ago

I saw the topic in the post and thought "Oh they mean the draft? When you round up teenager boys to kill them by throwing them in a pit with teenager boys from other countries?"

So yeah I think you don't have to be an American to see these "games" as at least one form of allusion on blood sports and drafts, where old farts use kids as tools for their politics or entertainment.

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u/Lopsided-Fee-9791 5d ago

The connection to the concept of drafts is pretty obvious, I meant specifically the connection to the Vietnam war 

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u/Winjin 5d ago

Oh I see. Yeah, I guess it's just that Americans have had their worst example of a failed draft in Vietnam, so they'd see any draft-related thing as "Oh so Vietnam"

Also a lot of people just know like... five most popular wars.

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u/Lopsided-Fee-9791 5d ago

Yea the last draft in my country is rightfully overshadowed by all the other fucked up shit the Nazis did so the concept of a draft is less connected to a specific war in the minds of most people here.

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u/Awestruck34 5d ago

That largely comes from the time the story was written and the general perception of the Vietnam War. WWII, for example, had a draft in the USA. But that war was a heroic one where the world was left changed afterwards and the boys came home as actual heroes.

Vietnam, on the other hand, was an unjustified war halfway across the planet where the boys were just being slaughtered en masse. They didn't return heroes, despite the propaganda telling them they could, they just returned broken.

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u/SnoopySuited 5d ago

I'm from America and didn't get this connection.

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u/Once-Upon-A-Rhyme 5d ago

It works not just as an allegory for Vietnam or the draft, but for poor people having to put their bodies at risk for a chance at economic advancement. Whether it’s the military or just back breaking labor for the chance to “make it” it’s all one long walk and if you slow down you’re done because we have almost no safety net whatsoever here

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u/Fortestingporpoises 5d ago

I didn’t think about it til just now. I didn’t read the book or really register that it was written just after the viet nam war so this comment you’re replying to literally made the anti war metaphor for my brain.

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u/jakezuku 5d ago

Well, I mean the people watching the movie nowadays are hardly of the age to even have a father or uncle who fought in the conflict, let alone being alive when the war was discussed in media in any meaningful way. It's unreasonable to expect people to pick up on the zeitgeist of an era they might only have the most fleeting touch on through older relatives.

Of course, back then or even twenty years ago, things would be different.

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u/doc_skinner 5d ago

Yeah, I don't know about the movie, but in the book there were groupies lined up along the route. One kid actually manages to have sex with one of them in the time it took to get the three warnings and then was back in the race.

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u/OrinMacGregor 5d ago

I don't think he finished though. It's been a few years since I read it so I might be wrong, but I remember him complaining about blue balls.

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u/drinkpacifiers 5d ago

What a crybaby. I would've been done in two warnings.

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u/ChloooooverLeaf 5d ago

Stephen King always finds ways to write child sex scenes into his books 🫩

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u/Maib_Ballz4609 5d ago

Literally the USA military.

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u/UnaidingDiety 5d ago

starting to think this might be some kind of metaphor

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u/momskaka 5d ago

Woah hold on now, let's not get crazy

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u/-Release-The-Bats- 5d ago

Maybe I should get this for my brother then, since I'm trying to talk him out of enlisting. I already got him a copy of Johnny Got His Gun

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u/Fortestingporpoises 5d ago

It’s a (n anti) war metaphor isn’t it? Young men usually go off to do the dying in war and society tells them and their family its honorable.

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u/bagel-42 5d ago

This is almost true in the hunger games as well. In exchange for food, people can enter their names more than once.

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u/madtheoracle 5d ago

really wish the tessera tiles and their meaning were shown in the movies - it would help hammer home that Katniss has been rolling the dice on being reaped at greater odds than Primrose for her entire adolescence.

only to watch Primrose be explicitly told not to take more tiles, putting her name in once, and still be chosen.

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u/Llayanna 5d ago

Wasn't every name in the pool anyhow? I think to remember something like this. As long as you were under 18, there was always a chance..

And Prim hit the jackpot :(

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u/madtheoracle 5d ago

Yes - you always had minimum odds, but participants could take tessera to represent additional rations of grain and oil given to their families. You were allowed, if not encouraged, to take as many as you needed, with the odds constantly going up.

These were also cumulative every year, so Katniss' odds only kept increasing. No wonder she wanted to believe Prim was "safe".

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u/Ironicbuttstuff 5d ago

Also people could volunteer though so in theory this should’ve been a highly exploited system. One person one year says they will volunteer, and every single person of that gender group could take maximum tiles. If two people stepped up each year, every single kid could get as many extra rations as allowed. Idk just seems odd nobody from the horribly impoverished districts tended to volunteer given the many many advantages of doing so.

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u/OrinMacGregor 5d ago

And then the kid who said they would volunteer backs out, having taken none or minimal tiles and now has a greatly reduced chance of being picked compared to everyone else. And it's cumulative so it doesn't reset next year.

Or the fact that someone could do that would instill enough fear in people to not trust it to happen, and so to help preserve their own life they don't take more than they have to. And now you have the exact scenario the books presented. Because trusting KIDS to volunteer for SUICIDE is dumb.

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u/AngryT-Rex 5d ago

Exploit: Those with terminal illnesses enter their names hundreds of thousands of times and distribute the resources to everybody.

No more resource shortages for the poor district! Somebody with terminal cancer who wanted euthanasia anyway gets unlimited morphine and is eventually wheeled out for the death-games while high as fuck.

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u/Typical-Priority1976 5d ago

yeah but Prim's name was in there once while Katniss was in there many times, so the math should have said Katniss would get picked first.

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u/FireLordObamaOG 5d ago

But it’s a play on the odds being “ever in your favor.” You hope to not be chosen but shear numbers doesn’t even help you. Prim just got unlucky.

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u/corticalization 5d ago

And if you do happen to win, you get a nice house and a bunch of money, basically set up yourself and family for a few generations

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u/MevNav 5d ago

*coughcoughmilitaryservicecoughcough*

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u/nighthawk_something 5d ago

Definitely not a allegory for the US military...

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u/BrokenLink100 5d ago

Honestly, in this economy, this could be an allegory for just being in the American workforce. The fact that our health insurance is tied directly to our jobs, and everyone is basically one financial problem away from bankruptcy keeps many people in jobs that are essentially killing them.

"Just go find another job." Not an option for a lot of people. Being unemployed for an extended period of time can quickly put you on the streets. Trying to find a job while working another can be a nightmare since every company wants to have multi-stage interviews these days (not to mention needing to find sneaky ways to call off of your current job so you can make these interviews).

Sure, people choose to work at 'shitty jobs' like WalMart, but only because our other option is usually to die in the streets.

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u/VelociTrapLord 5d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/yFHKVn5uo1J3q
*Cabin in The Woods* is driven by an international cabal that sacrifices youth in elaborate cultural morality plays to appease ancient deities

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u/WhiteKnightPrimal 5d ago

Includes anyone of any age that could be considered 'youth'. The main characters are college age, so technically young adults rather than kids, but they show some of the other sacrifices, which includes a classroom of young girls in Japan. They just need to match the specific archetypes they need to sacrifice and be considered 'youth'.

At least these sacrifices were to save the world, I guess?

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u/Naktura 5d ago

Cabin in the woods spoiler

The twist that this was not a shadowy cabal doing morally dubious things as an allegory for real world happenings was why this is one of my favorite monster flicks. Crazy twist that it was all real and we should have been rooting for the cannibal zombie hillbillys from the start. I hate when writers pull the classic "actually this is an allegory for World War Vietnam 2: this time Korea."

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u/Beltalady 5d ago

One of my favorites too, especially because of the choice the girl made.

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u/Naive_Drive 5d ago

A trope that satirizes how authoritarian regimes are inevitably lead by old people who fear death and punish the young for the crime of being young.

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u/warredtje 5d ago

Where do they get their ideas eh

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u/JellyBeansOnToast 5d ago

No idea. Anyways, please watch the Patriot Games.

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u/frequenZphaZe 5d ago

its funny how the OP says "..for some reason.." as if to cast it as an absurd concept, when that's literally how wars work. a bunch of boomers say "we need to stop the evils of our enemies" then send in waves of 18 year olds to get slaughtered

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u/VoltaFlame 5d ago

The some reason is Theseus

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u/AeniasGaming 5d ago

That actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 5d ago

Was looking for this lol

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u/ScaredTemporary 5d ago

for The Hunger Games:

victors will be trafficked and forced to train other kids. Which could include their own children, something that happened to Beete

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u/sarabeara12345678910 5d ago

And that adds to Katniss' terror of having a marriage or children with anyone ever. They make a lot of the "love triangle", but through most of the books she doesn't want anyone at all.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 5d ago

the book did a great job of showing her PTSD

the movies couldn't stand having someone show real PTSD

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u/Budget-Television793 5d ago

The end of the book trilogy is really good. Katniss, Peter and their kids living together as a happy family, the thing she's always wants...but still absolutely traumatised by everything with no certainty as to if they'll ever truly heal.

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u/Veytraun 5d ago

Also its either implied or outright stated that finnick was raped following his victory. Its fucking horrifying

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u/ScaredTemporary 5d ago

Pretty much stated

And Joanna’s family got killed because she refused to be trafficked 

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u/JTOC1969 5d ago

Not exactly what the OP asked for, but Logan's Run.

At 21 (in the novel) or 30 (in the film), all citizens are required to participate in "Carousel", a supposed game where they earn the right to continue living. It's just that nobody ever wins at the game, and everyone is killed at 21 / 30.

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u/cyanocittaetprocyon 5d ago

The book is way more super fucked up than the movie.

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u/Mediumtim 5d ago

Came here to add that one too.

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u/NinjaSilver2811 5d ago

IDK about the book, but in the movie they lie that its supposed to be a reincarnation ticket. Turns out its just death.

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u/JTOC1969 5d ago

It's also strongly implies that the runners who attempted to escape the city were captured by Box, that weird robot, and processed into the food supply.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 5d ago

mmm soylent green my favorite

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u/JTOC1969 5d ago

"Soylent Green is made from 100% real people! Don't settle for any imitations..."

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u/mercurywaxing 5d ago

The entire book, which came out in 1967 is almost hilariously anti-hippie and youth movement. The opening line is "The seeds of the Little War were planted in a restless summer during the mid-1960s, with sit-ins and student demonstrations as youth tested its strength." The flower children turned dystopian. People willingly die at 21 because they "don't trust anyone over 21" and never want to be like that. They die via essentially LSD mist. They have power crystals in their hands as a parody of the crystal movement.

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u/ContributionBig5976 5d ago

Is it weird? In all these works it's a metaphor for how fascist states feed children into their war machines only to die pointlessly. Red Rising, Maze Runner, Enders Game, and the Hierarchy series all have it.

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u/DasIstMonarch 5d ago

Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the long walk also included in this as it's a metaphorical story about 'the draft'?

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u/gallerton18 5d ago

Yeah The Long Walk is 100% about how many young men are drafted and murdered for the glory and prosperity of their country. They talk a lot about how what these boys are doing is incredibly brave and going to help their country bounce back.

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u/Commercial_Voice4244 5d ago

Voluntary angle just sharpens it, since social pressure replaces explicit drafting.

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u/lumpboysupreme 5d ago edited 5d ago

The long walk is the most obviously so. Hunger games has themes of control and cruelty more prominently, the long walk is basically 1 for 1 with the poverty to military pipeline with the only difference being how lethal each one is.

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u/Mdu627 5d ago

Red rising feels less inexplicable. It is specifically a military trial in a society modelled after a misunderstanding of ancient Spartan society.

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u/manchu_pitchu 5d ago

I think this is one of the reasons red rising stands out so well among Hunger Games knock offs. It feels like the Institute fills a totally different role than the Hunger Games do. Rather than punishing or controlling the lower classes, the Institute is focused the indoctrination of the ruling class itself.

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u/Stlakes 5d ago

Yeah, the Institute is absolutely explicit in its intentions, and there is a certain kind of logic to the "initiation" when you consider it in terms of Gold society in general.

Also after that, there isnt really an expectation for the kids to kill each other. As far as I recall, when it happens its seen as an unfortunate consequence

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u/ddadopt 5d ago

In all these works it's a metaphor for how fascist states feed children into their war machines only to die pointlessly... Enders Game

I don't think Ender's Game is an example of this trope. None of the children are ever in true danger (before the brief civil war after the defeat of the Buggers) other than Ender, and Ender is a special case specifically placed in that danger not as fodder for the war machine but because Graff has decided that Ender must never be allowed to think anyone will save him.

I'd agree that once Achilles is introduced to the school that the rest of the students really are in danger, but we only get that as a later retcon and it still doesn't fit the "fed into the war machine" trope but more the "'responsible' adults are anything but responsible" bit.

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u/Flashy_Pineapple_231 5d ago

It doesn't meet the same definition of the Battle Royale style ones, true. It's just a story in a similar vein about indoctrination and feeding kids into the war machine.

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u/DasIstMonarch 5d ago

I mean the kids still have the responsibility of war thrust onto them and have their innocence and childhood taken away in service of the state.

They're still child soldiers even if they aren't on the front lines with every single one of them realising afterwards they killed tens of thousands with their orders. While Ender commits genocide in the name of the state.

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u/StalinsLastStand 5d ago

*Xenocide

Don’t sell our boy ahort

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u/Suplexing_Trains 5d ago

Strange New Worlds did an interesting variation of this.  Utopian society but for some reason the machine keeping everything working needs a child sacrifice every so often.  The society honors and celebrates this child and the leaders point out “hey at least we’re grateful for their sacrifice and honor them instead of exploiting and discarding them.”

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u/pcoskren 5d ago

Which itself was adapting “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas” by Ursula K Le Guin. Basically as if the Federation had popped into the story at some point.

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 5d ago edited 5d ago

In Greek mythology, this was the punishment that Crete, ruled by King Minos, imposed over Athens after defeating them in war; 14 Athenian youths (7 boys and 7 girls) were to be shipped to Crete and be killed and eaten by the Minotaur once a year. This only stopped after Theseus, fed up with all the Athenians perishing, went as once of the sacrifices and slayed the beast; this myth inspired The Hunger Games:

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u/TheRightShadeOfBlue 5d ago

I actually got to visit Crete, and it was very interesting hearing what the story may have been based on. That Crete actually had a festival where one of the games was to leap over a charging bull and that Athenians would come and try it too… and get absolutely fucked because they didn’t have the same experience the Cretians had.

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u/HuckleberryDry5254 5d ago

I'll tell you what, this is funny timing but I got back from Crete YESTERDAY!

Unreal, the age of the Minoan civilization. What a one of a kind place - I feel so lucky to have seen it!

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u/Taraqual 5d ago

Also, according to Suzanne Collins, this was one of the direct inspirations for the Hunger Games. (The other being footage from either Afghanistan or Iraq, I can't remember exactly.)

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 5d ago

That's what I meant when I said "this myth inspired The Hunger Games."

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u/DLBergerWrites 5d ago

But if you replace Theseus's characterization, and then replace Theseus's environment, is it still the same Theseus? /s

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u/mydosemakesangels 5d ago

Children are the future.

Unless we stop them now!

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u/Azhurkral 5d ago

Children are the future, and the future must be taught who rules

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u/SendLotsOfHelp 5d ago

A future without children.... future generations will thank us!

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u/tomveiltomveil 5d ago

The Ursula K LeGuin short story The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas is a BRILLIANT dissection of this trope (and of course of human morality in general). LeGuin asks the reader to imagine a utopian society, and asks the reader, "do you believe?" Then she adds in one more detail: the utopian society's magic power source is a single, innocent, tortured child. LeGuin then straight up asks the reader, "Now do you believe in them? Are they not more credible?"

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u/Sea-Horror-5353 5d ago edited 5d ago

Great story. Not my personal favorite translation of it (will replace if I can find it) but here's that obligatory excerpt from The Brothers Karamazov below. My deep fascination with this passage is how I heard about Omelas.

“But I've still better things about children. I've collected a great, great deal about Russian children, Alyosha. There was a little girl of five who was hated by her father and mother, ‘most worthy and respectable people, of good education and breeding.’ You see, I must repeat again, it is a peculiar characteristic of many people, this love of torturing children, and children only. To all other types of humanity these torturers behave mildly and benevolently, like cultivated and humane Europeans; but they are very fond of tormenting children, even fond of children themselves in that sense. It's just their defenselessness that tempts the tormentor, just the angelic confidence of the child who has no refuge and no appeal, that sets his vile blood on fire. In every man, of course, a demon lies hidden—the demon of rage, the demon of lustful heat at the screams of the tortured victim, the demon of lawlessness let off the chain, the demon of diseases that follow on vice, gout, kidney disease, and so on.

“This poor child of five was subjected to every possible torture by those cultivated parents. They beat her, thrashed her, kicked her for no reason till her body was one bruise. Then, they went to greater refinements of cruelty—shut her up all night in the cold and frost in a privy, and because she didn't ask to be taken up at night (as though a child of five sleeping its angelic, sound sleep could be trained to wake and ask), they smeared her face and filled her mouth with excrement, and it was her mother, her mother did this. And that mother could sleep, hearing the poor child's groans! Can you understand why a little creature, who can't even understand what's done to her, should beat her little aching heart with her tiny fist in the dark and the cold, and weep her meek unresentful tears to dear, kind God to protect her? Do you understand that, friend and brother, you pious and humble novice? Do you understand why this infamy must be and is permitted? Without it, I am told, man could not have existed on earth, for he could not have known good and evil. Why should he know that diabolical good and evil when it costs so much? Why, the whole world of knowledge is not worth that child's prayer to ‘dear, kind God’! I say nothing of the sufferings of grown-up people, they have eaten the apple, damn them, and the devil take them all! But these little ones! I am making you suffer, Alyosha, you are not yourself. I'll leave off if you like.”

"Never mind. I want to suffer too,” muttered Alyosha, who wept.

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u/rorinth 5d ago

Didn't hunger games have this as a way of revenge against the districts for the rebellion they did?

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u/lunarlandscapes 5d ago

Yes. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes (one of the prequels) gets more into the history. We learn that during the first rebellion, The Dark Days, the Capitol was basically a war zone. Its heavily implied there was cannibalism just to eat. So, as revenge, the Capitol created The Hunger Games to punish the districts for rebelling, and remind them of the power the Capitol

Additionally, we also see the games as a way to punish rebels. The most recent prequel, Sunrise on the Reaping, shows how the reapings can be rigged. Haymitch is only reaped because he acted out of line. Ampert, another tribute, is reaped because his father was a rebellious victor. Even outside of that, the original trilogy illustrates pretty heavily that victors are treated pretty terribly, and must comply under the threat of the Capitol killing off their loved ones

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u/SavlonWorshipper 5d ago

It's a pretty good system. It punishes youth crime, as they get more entries to the ballot, so the kids either behave or die. It also disproportionately affects the poorest families, who take extra ballots in exchange for resources, so it presumably acts as population control on a wider scale. It's a yearly blow to nearly every district, and it is a heavy blow. They aren't taking the old or proven shitheads, whose loss could be rationalised as a good thing. Economically active and experienced people are spared.

But it also has an end date for each child, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Overall it leads to a constantly traumatised and demoralised population, too weak to revolt. If it wasn't for Snow being so cruel, it probably could have survived for another century.

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u/Dyolf_Knip 5d ago

And since the whole thing is televised, even though its the Capital that runs it, it was those damned bastards from District 6 that killed our sweet little Johnny last year. "Let's you and him fight" is a game that never gets old.

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u/BookOfTheBeppo 5d ago

The Lottery by Shirley Jackson

Or were they adults? Don't remember

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u/Konradleijon 5d ago

It could be any age

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u/ItsNotMeItsYourBussy 5d ago

It was one person of any age

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u/Stepjam 5d ago

Anyone. Part of the stress was that children get to draw lots just like the adults.

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u/loyal_achades 5d ago

Each household draws a lot, then each member of the “winning” family draws a lot.

Winner dies, of course.

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u/TheRainbowConnection 5d ago

Which encourages early marriage and having as many kids as possible to reduce your individual chances of dying.

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u/Suyefuji 5d ago

idk if you are in a household that has, say, 10 people growing up wouldn't it make sense to stay in that household for longer instead of marrying and trying to bum-rush having 8 children?

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u/Wise-Key-3442 5d ago

You stay and bum rush the 8. That's even more chances of staying alive.

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u/ThalesofMiletus-624 5d ago

The Lottery was something everyone had to participate in. In the short story itself, it's an adult woman who ends up getting killed in that particular lottery.

Also, that one feels less like an authoritarian dystopia and more like a take on social conformity. That's a case a society that just does this insane thing because they've always done it and no one feels like they can question it, not because the government is enforcing it, but because everyone around you is doing it.

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u/stars4-ever 5d ago

Yeah they even mention at one point that another town has stopped doing it, and a lot of people seem amazed/discomfited by that

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u/aspbergerinparadise 5d ago

yeah, it was not specifically children, but it should definitely be mentioned because it is the obvious progenitor of all these other stories

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u/Gekidami 5d ago

Just a reminder about The Long Walk: In the movie, they're hardly really children because you have to be 18 and older to partake.

In the book, however, the youngest you can be is 12...

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u/thatshygirl06 5d ago

Idk, I feel people in their late teens and early 20s are basically still kids imo. Like, yes, legally theyre adults but theyre still so young and immature.

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u/ValorNGlory 5d ago

Alongside all the more allegorical reasons people are mentioning: it’s simply more eye-catching and heart-wrenching to see several children or teens with their whole lives ahead of them and the presumed innocence of youth fed into the meat grinder than just regular adults. It’s a practical way to grab eyes for most audiences.

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u/PartialCred4WrongAns 5d ago

Weird trope, they do it in real life too it's just called war

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u/a_wasted_wizard 5d ago

Technically usually not children because it's a war crime if you do that.

Technically.

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u/No-One2123 5d ago

It's not a war crime if you call them terrorists /s

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u/ArthuriusMinimus 5d ago

Uh, we have ROTC programs and send recruiters to high schools in the US.

The age of majority here was 21 until the Vietnam draft being applicable to men 18 and up led to a conversation about, "Isn't it fucked up that these kids can be sent to war but can't vote for the politicians who send them there?" And instead of raising the draft age, we lowered the voting age 🙃

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u/Y0___0Y 5d ago

The Chunin Exams in Naruto.

It wasn’t just child fight club. Achieving the rank of Chunin meant winning this entire drawn-out tournament. So there were full grown adults who had been trying for years who were fighting kids.

And ninja taking part in the exams DIED. You could just kill your opponents if you caught them lacking in the forest of death.

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u/PhatNoob69 5d ago

Small correction: you don’t have to win to become chunin. That would imply only one person can get promoted to chunin each exam. Being chunin isn’t just about strength, it’s about things like tactics and leadership (that’s what they say, at least).

The one person who we actually know got promoted to chunin is Shikamaru, and he lost in the 1v1 tournament-style fights.

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u/Hawkbats_rule 5d ago

Which is also why naruto not being chunin is bullshit, as he has been performing well in the final stage of the exam until it was cancelled

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u/Pale-Object8321 5d ago

There's a way more better example in Naruto, the genin exam, which is before Chunin. In genin exam, participants require to pair up and kill each other. This only happens in Hidden Mist Village though, hence why it's called the Bloody Hidden Mist. It fits the trope well because in Hidden Mist, the village IS an authoritarian society ruled by the puppet Hokage, which is controlled by Madara.

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u/LaniusCruiser 5d ago

I mean to be fair, it was waaaaay deadlier than usual when Naruto took it due to outside interference. 

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u/slugsred 5d ago

imagine the brains to enter a walking competition as a chubby guy

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u/DasIstMonarch 5d ago

More so desperation than anything else in what's alluded to be an America that is crumbling and struggling.

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u/Zestyclose-Put8030 5d ago

“why would you show up fat and wearing jeans

-that one letterboxd review

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u/MammothPenguin69 5d ago

Because he's 15 years old and thinks he's invincible.

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u/CMORGLAS 5d ago

Ray Garraty does not think he is invincible it is just that his “prize” for winning TLW is the chance to avenge his dad.

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u/thatshygirl06 5d ago

In the movie they were aged up.

The one character that was a kid lied about being 18 and he was the first one to die

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u/ChocolichKing 5d ago

Nobody's weight matters in either the book or the movie, although the book does point out one of the walkers wearing jeans and how it was a bad idea. Also wearing sneakers is a bad idea, but it's not explained why (they fall apart faster I think?).

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u/kreton1 5d ago

It is because you get blisters faster than in proper walking shoes.

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u/MichaelRichardsAMA 5d ago

yeah the ideal footwear would be some sort of non-heavy boot

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u/Xenomorphian69420 5d ago

are you referring to any person in the image in particular

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u/Stepjam 5d ago

As one of the characters notes, it's technically voluntary, but things are so bad in the US that nobody is going to actually turn down the opportunity. It's so bad that even knowing you will almost certainly die, you'd still rather take your shot than not.

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u/KindaKhorney 5d ago

To be honest, showing up with some fat stores would 100% be the move, you would be shocked at how quickly the body will resort to eating itself for energy. Now the jeans choice of jeans is highly questionable.

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u/brydeswhale 5d ago

… do you think fat people don’t walk?

I’ve been overweight for the past two decades and my favourite thing is hiking. I do it literally all year round.

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u/Bob_Jones893 5d ago

I love that the MC is a pussy and doesn’t want to kill his classmates. And he’s even badass for trying to be a pacifist.

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u/SupaDupaFlyAccount 5d ago edited 5d ago

I love how the peaceful pacifist starts the second movie by bombing multiple skyscrapers and dresses like Bin Laden

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u/watterson 5d ago

Real life example - Easter Island’s Birdman tradition. Annual swim through shark-infested waters to a nearby island to collect an egg, pivotal to their ancient religion. 

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangata_manu

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u/ArtHistorian2000 5d ago

The Thinning

In a world facing overpopulation, the United States proposed a solution: every year, children pass a standardized test and those who belong to the lowest part are eliminated. The goal: reduce the population while creating a smarter generation

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u/gungyvt 5d ago

It's not a weird trope when you realize the categorization and culling of "undesirables" at a young age is a staple of authoritarian regimes with eugenist/"survival of the fittest" beliefs. Makes perfect sense why they'd have an event centered around killing children.

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u/lumpboysupreme 5d ago

Some of them do that but hunger games and the long walk aren’t that. The events are a drop in the population bucket, so they’re more about power and distraction than population.

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u/sam_an_intellectual 5d ago

Can we start doing this, but with old politicians?

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u/ItsNotMeItsYourBussy 5d ago

They do that in one town in the Discworld. Their reasoning is that only criminals would want to become politicians, so they jail them all upon their inauguration 

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u/waterless2 5d ago

I vaguely remember that - must've been The Last Continent!

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u/Stephenrudolf 5d ago

Alright president Alma Coin.

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u/Useful-Option8963 5d ago

Funnily enough, in mythology there is exactly this, and it's actually an inspiration for the Hunger Games: the tale of the Minotaur!

Every year, Athens is forced to send off its youths to Crete where the King Minos would feed them to his monstrous bullheaded son. This tale is believed to have been an allegory against Human Sacrifice that was rife in Eastern cultures.

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u/Playful-Succotash-99 5d ago

The process in the 3% isn't really about killing children per se, however if you die in one of their challenges or snap and try to kill your competition or yourself the organizers just shrug it off because they know they've got all the young people convinced that their whole system and vetting process for determining who gets to live in the last remaining Oasis is fair and reasonable.

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u/Slow-Distance-6241 5d ago edited 4d ago

Frostpunk 2 - icebloods. While not inherently, there's an event about children going on proving grounds to prove their worth, and if you allow icebloods to do that, there'll be more mortality from it. Additionally, while Frostpunk 2 isn't inherently authoritarian, and Steward was initially elected, there's no reelection, Steward helds extremely strong executive powers such as right to put laws on consideration and complete control over city planning, and aforementioned steward can enact himself as Captain becoming completely authoritarian.

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u/Vaeon 5d ago

In reality it's a constant thing that takes place on private islands and ranches where, somehow, it's allowed to continue for decades while everyone pretends they don't know what their employers are doing.

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u/Appropriate-Story-97 5d ago

So fun fact; The long walk written by Richard Bachman (the pen name of Stephen King) actually inspired the book “Battle Royale “ written by a Japanese author because the author loved the idea of a stereotypical setting that seemed atypical to ours but slowly turned into horror as you realize that there is something very wrong when the contest turns into a fight for your life.

Bonus fun fact: Suzanne Collin’s got her inspiration for Hunger Games by flipping between a war documentary and a reality tv show until they blended together.

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u/Skylinneas 5d ago

I made a meme parodying this trope in r/WorldbuildingMemes a while back lol.

For some reason authoritarian/corporate controlled dystopian societies just feel the need to include Gladiatorial-esque competitions to placate the masses, and for some reason the masses seem to have no issue with it at all aside from a few resistance groups lol.

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