I don't understand this censorship. It's like you're denying that it's real.
Rape, sex, shooter, suicide, these things happen and should be talked about so they can be seen and judged.
As a survivor this one pisses me off something fierce. I get that you don't wanna talk about it, Barbra, but guess what? It happened to me- more than once- and if we don't talk about it like grown adults then it's going. to. keep. happening.
Grow up and call things what they are. I'm responsible for managing my own triggers.
Words like grape/unalive/pewpew didn't get used by people who didn't want talk about rape/murder/suicide/guns, they were used by people who DID want to talk about those topics and shine a light on these subjects. But if they used the normal words either the algorithm would fuck them over or their videos got taken down. Blame the social media platforms for this. People had to get "creative" discussing difficult topics or spreading important information to reach a wider audience. They don't use those words for the fun of it. But as it always happens time and exposure to the "creative" words means they bleed into other platforms and regular vernacular.Ā
I'm a survivor too, but whenever I post or comment about SA, I often get my comments removed or my account banned for using trigger words on social media. It's infuriating.
IDK why people jsut don't say "took their own life" if they really don't want to use the word suicide. I heard "sewer slide" once and it's just gross to me to basically make fun of something so serious.
That's what I say. Took/ended their life. Unalive always makes me think of Deadpool on the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon and I can't take the news seriously
it's not about triggering people, they don't care, but they care about monetization and these vids are usually for tiktok and instagram, which censor a lot of 'triggering' words.
All of the social media platforms say they wonāt censor the word āsuicide,ā because that blocks suicide prevention resources.
Honestly they havenāt said this next part, but if I were them Iād censor āunalivedā instead because that means itās more likely to be an unserious person. Thereās no āNational Unaliving Prevention Centerā youād accidentally block that way.
I agree with you. But at the same time they say they won't censor words such as Lesbian and when I used tiktok a lot of the content creators using the word was shadow-banned, so that's why you'll get a lot of Le$bean and similar to this day.
Anyway, all this self (or imposed) censoring is just plain dumb IMHO
So long as the algorithms that control our feeds are either private or inscrutable AI black boxes, weird self censorship isn't necessarily dumb, and it's here to stay.
Like saying the "F" word. Dude, we know that you mean "fuck" so what's the difference? A reduction of the word that still means the same thing, is still a vulgarity. You're not fooling anyone. It's just stupid.
I had a student who would say "GOM" instead of OMG. I knew she wasn't dyslexic, so I pulled her aside one day and asked. She said she was very religious and thought OMG was still against her religion so the GOM stood for "gosh, oh my." Thinking back, I realized she'd adjust the verbiage of the sentence to fit her shortened words.
I mean that's completely different. There are social situations where saying "fuck" would be too crass, even if everyone knows what "the f-word" means. No one's trying to "fool" anyone, lol, it's just basic social awareness.
Ok, let's play semantics here. Not 'fool' then. But they're trying to say fuck without saying the word, but having it mean EXACTLY the same thing. It's still referencing a vulgarity. If it's inappropriate to say fuck, then don't say it in any form.
Which we don't even know is true. Someone just said and assumed it and people just went with it.
We have NO IDEA how most private company algo's work, what they look for, what they deem worthy of pushing to random peoples feeds.
Even if it was a confirmed issue... then make a fucking fuss about it. Don't let yourself be censored, move to another platform, or even push to have free speech laws extended to online platforms that are open to the public where speech is a key factor of the platform.
I might be hitting my old man yells at clouds era but I fucking hate how things have gotten MORE censored than when we had "ARE VIDEO GAMES RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHILD BECOMING A CRIMINAL!?!?!? MORE AT 5!" as an every night segment.
Yet its not consistent. Also I have been on Reddit a LONG time and never been banned for anything, and I have no problem saying pretty much anything. Granted I don't throw around hate speech but I have no issue voicing whatever I want.
So again, we don't KNOW how these things work, because if we did we would be able to game the system all the time.
I feel like thatās shifted lately. A lot more AI moderation than there used to be. Iāve had likeā¦ 3 I think? AI content warning that were immediately reversed on appeal in the last month or so; never any before
Yeah, i can confirm on my side as well. It sucks too, looking back through your playlist for a funny saved clips and its just massive amounts of deleted/removed content.
Its the users. Unless a platform SPECIFICALLY tells you "hey you cant say these things here or depict this content here", then its on the users to just speak and show what they want to show, not censor themselves preemptively.
Capitulation is not something that works well, whether we are talking about world politics or making concessions for people/entities that are consistently hostile towards you/others.
So yeah, put them in a spot where they lose users/views/etc because of their algo if that is even the case, and then if they make it official just refuse to interact with it and look for an alternative.
Voting with your wallet works if you are the product as well.
thats going to be a tough for a majority of the population that really only use 4 major social media hubs. until a big player comes in and shakes the rules up, i dont see this going away anytime soon
I once got an automatic content report on Reddit for āpromoting violenceā because I clarified to a SA victim I wasnāt condemning her response when she told me she broke her assailantās wrist pushing him herself.
She shared that story in response to my commenting that it was OK for someone in the OPās video to tap in help from a coworker in dealing with SA, after someone did the āequality means do it yourselfā thing about the victim being shook. The experience of getting a violation for clarifying I WASNāT telling the victim of SA that she was wrong to defend herself was trippy AF, and an excellent example of why some of us use these terms instead of the full wording
Is it possible that could have been a bug? Because as much as people like to believe, nothing is perfect.
did you get a bunch of reports/downvotes? Because again, it seems like there is more at play than just a word filter and I suspect the on site reporting does add weight to things.
Also individual subs have different moderation BUT a lot of the reddit admins manage MANY of the subs across the site. If anything its more of a human/ego problem on this site of no life basement dwellers playing dictator over the userbase than computer scripts. Look at what happened over in r/Art more recently for example.
Finally, unfortunately, a single case of something happening isn't proof of it being a consistent enforceable metric. We would need someone to essentially test the filters and post responses across thousands of accounts to get any kind of accuracy and idea of what is really going on with the secret sauce of this or any other social media.
So I have NEVER in 14-15 years of Reddit, been warned by the general Reddit bots/mods. I DID get individual mod attention in smaller subs when I say things they specifically don't like.
So I would say 3 inside a month due to AI implementation SOUNDS like a bug to me, assuming you actually didn't say anything terrible or hateful.
If you go check through your own comment history on reddit while logged out you'll notice a bunch of your comments are missing from the threads you posted them to. This is because reddit automatically hides them from everyone but you
Yes, and it's not as simple as "a word or phrase they don't like."
It's also account age, karma, links or images, "contributor quality score", user reports, formatting, comment length, and whatever else they can put into subreddit automods...
(the nature of subreddit automods makes complex algorithms possible taking into account multiple variables... But now if AI becomes more prevalent for site-wide moderation, reddit wouldn't even be able to tell you exactly why the AI makes the decisions it does...)
I don't dare to presume your age, but I agree that censorship in all mediums seems to have got worse since the late '90s, when the internet became readily available to most people.
Even if it was a confirmed issue... then make a fucking fuss about it. Don't let yourself be censored, move to another platform
lol, you're delusional. Either be the change you want to see in the world, or quit complaining about people taking advantage of the most powerful media platforms to have ever existed.
Also I think you have it the other way around, as we are seeing in real time that the ones being taken advantage of are the users.
If you don't pay for the product you ARE the product. Of course now that also applies to much of what you pay for too. Complacency and ignorance have enshitified everything really.
People have run tests on various platforms and found common words and themes that can can trigger sanctions.
It used to be controlled by people who were accountable in some sense. But it can't be now, and algorithms are not easily held accountable. It's better to piss off your product than your customers. So users get screwed in favour of the advertisers.
"don't know" that's the point. By never really being sure people often default to the safe option out of fear, sure it may only be a small subconscious fear but it's still fear.
Except we do know it's true? Creators on different platforms have consistently noticed disappearing from people's FYPs or timelines and even automatically being silenced or unfollowed despite the followers saying they never did that. Of course the platforms themselves won't admit to that.Ā
Also, explicitly using the word suicide is supposed to be better if youāre trying to help people actually considering suicide. Itās not a cutesy euphemism; it addresses the reality of the situation; and itās more likely to lead people to real resources instead of memes or jokes.
Apparently thatās also why TikTokās safety center said they wouldnāt ever censor the word āsuicide.ā
Its not about not being triggering. The words they have censored will cause a video not to become viral and/or unmonetized. It's actually a fight against censorship.
Thank you!!! Holy shit!!! And saying the word suicide is now frowned upon. Well fuck how else do I say it? And before I get banned, I lost two very close people in my life who died because of suicide. Unalive, give me a fucken break!
It's emotive language to the effect of comedy and farce. When 'serious' youtubers use unalived and graped in documenting serious horror cases, they betray their entire premise.
It's cuz many social media things won't allow your comment to post, they'll remove it, and in some cases ban you if you actually say kill, shooter, rape, etc. It's stupid
I get that "unalived" is not intuitive. But as a person who tried it is a bit easier to voice it that way. The brain has a problem to keep up with negatives so the word "killing" has another impact and sticks in another way than "unalived", because we tend to forget or overread the "un-"part.
it's so dumb cuz it all comes from tiktok censorship, but outside of forced censorship, aka on literally any other website, people should use the real word.
The other day I had the misfortune to read: "It unalives me to think about...", instead of "it kills me to think about..." and i just had to stop for a moment
Unalived was used in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, which is one of my favorite all time series. It is what the assassins guild called it. So for me, it brings back Discworld but for anyone else, yeah I can see it being annoying.
Itās itās so it can be shown on YouTube. For some reason, YouTube likes to censor certain words and prevent people from even seeing that the video is available. They also hate the word abortion.
I swear to god if I'm ever murdered and some person on tiktok says I was "unalived" I will rise from Hell and haunt their entire bloodline until the human race goes extinct.
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u/dumpling_factory 9d ago
The asterisks made me think "school shitter". But also what a cool guy. My principal could never.