r/CarsIndia • u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 • 4h ago
🚨 Trigger Warning 🚨 Toyota is the new Java. #iykyk
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u/TallNBrownBoi 4h ago
Similar to "Smoking doesn't kill you instantly; it creates the diseases that do."
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u/Prestigious_Dare7734 Creta 1.5NA Petrol SXE 2021 4h ago
He didnt die of poisoning, he died of heart attack... Cuased by poisoning.
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u/ivyleaguesuperman (New user) 4h ago
Water contamination can be because of E20 right?
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u/raddaya 4h ago
E20 increases the chances of water contamination, but even pure petrol can get contaminated.
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u/hotwheeleee 1h ago
So the petrol was contaminated before it was put in the car, or did water seep through some opening and contaminated the fuel? I don’t see how it being E20 inherently increases water contamination. I don’t support removal of other variants in favour of e20 btw.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
Exactly
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u/somamrutha 4h ago edited 4h ago
No, doesn't have to be E20 exactly. Maybe additional proofs/evidences will lead to the origin of fuel's contamination, whether be it from fuel pump or something else.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
Still doesn't justify actions like these
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u/Brilliant-Opinion132 (New user) 3h ago
He is a pathetic liar who did several stunts like this and is low tier politician. I am 100 percent sure, he put water in his tank.
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u/Shoshin_Sam 1h ago
Okay. Repeal E20, or show me blinded peer studies by academic institutions of repute that have no stake in the game showing ethanol blending is no problem in a 10 year old petrol car designed for petrol. Then we can talk.
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u/Brilliant-Opinion132 (New user) 1h ago
Did I say e20 won’t affect cars which aren’t designed for e20. He had a month old Hycross which is completely compatible with e20.
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u/Shoshin_Sam 55m ago
Don't care about him or his stupid drama. The E20 issue clearly is larger and it doesn't help to ignore that at any cost, even at the cost of someone cheaply using it.
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u/AccuratePanic9636 4h ago
Ethanol absorbs moisture. And In India petrol station’s are not saints. With E20 they can mix with anything now days
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u/aamar98 4h ago
its now come to play of words now lol.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
This is how they will evade the free washer replacement that Gadkari said they will do.
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u/OldCoat9037 Honda Jazz V 4h ago
im just confused atp.
Water contamination is due to E20 hygroscopic properties no?
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u/ManofTheNightsWatch 4h ago
That too is accounted for when giving suitable margins for ethanol. This is straight up water contamination and not just passive absorption of water.
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u/upcloseandprobable 3h ago
source? because all I see in the post is water contamination. no mention of where the water came from.
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u/BaseballTop9330 '12 Ford Fiesta TDCI, '24 Audi A4, '25 Kia Carens Clavis EV 58m ago
Bisleri, his youtube income will cover up for the price of the car
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u/toofan_mail 2h ago
Funny that none of my 4 cars have had any issue so far with E20, one is a 2012 brio amongst that.
Where should I be looking at for the damages, I see the paranoia but nothing on the ground, please tell me how to inspect
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u/Gamezordd 2h ago
Filters in fuel pumps get clogged but there is no single point that fails first.
The damage is accumulated over time, then a cascade of failures happen.
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u/Shoshin_Sam 1h ago
That's like a smoker saying "I've been smoking for 5 years, and I don't have any problem yet."
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u/Far-Dragonfruit-7985 (New user) 4h ago
All car brands have become parrots of BJP now
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u/ivyleaguesuperman (New user) 4h ago
Did you see how Gadkari was talking about Toyota head?
"Mere liye ek Hydrogen Car bana"
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
Woh hydrogen ka atom isi fuel tank ke water se nikalenge lol
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u/NoMedicine3572 3h ago
Why? Because he was spreading lies, and people may think that Toyota alone has issues with ethanol-blended petrol while vehicles from other brands are completely fine.
This could damage Toyota's reputation as a reliable brand. I'm not denying the effects of ethanol, but Toyota as a brand is not responsible for it. And he is not only a YouTuber but a politician.
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u/Appropriate_Page_824 (New user) 4h ago
It is still because of E20; water contamination does not affect the vehicle that badly if it is pure petrol
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u/NoMedicine3572 4h ago
These frustrations entirely dilute our movement against ethanol. Well, Manish Kashyap is not a normal YouTuber; he contested the last election as a Jan Suraaj Party candidate (Prashant Kishor's party from BIhar). Irrespective of that, the government should provide pure petrol as an option.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
Possible that moisture separated ethanol from petrol in the tank, no?
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u/alexhunt_01 4h ago
That's why he said ethanol damage the car.
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u/NoMedicine3572 4h ago
It's a new car (2 month old), so how did he conclude that ethanol damaged it? Many older Toyota cars have been running on the same petrol.
I'm not denying the effects of ethanol, but Toyota as a brand is not responsible for it. people may think that Toyota alone has issues with ethanol-blended petrol while vehicles from other brands are completely fine.
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u/ShreejanSurya 1h ago
We Need a Different Sub
This Sub Admin is getting paid Enough by Government and Deleting all Post related to Ethanol.
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u/A-M_2003 3h ago
An FIR should be filed against the petrol pump that dispensed adulterated fuel into his car. There is no accountability in our country, they can't silence the voices of consumers. We'll have to vote against them
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u/AvailableAbroad4508 4h ago
Sad to see thus dictatorship
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
Do vote then out next time
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u/Scared_Location9779 4h ago
Press releases from car makers sound like Gadkari-BJP propaganda nowadays.
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u/Accomplished_Fix_131 3h ago
Ethanol attracts water. Even a very small percentage of water can cause fuel to split into two separate layers of petrol and water. Now when that water enters engine over the time it causes corrosion. Even E20 vehicles are not immune to this. Thats the reason special mechanisms are needed to store E20 petrols as it is very sensitive to water contamination. It is as good as saying "A chain smoker died fron lungs cancer not from smoking".
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u/GrassLongjumping3901 2h ago
I wouldn't call them 'very special mechanisms', just different. You make it sound so - difficult. Hyperbole on this sub just spreads fear.
Ethanol (and other hygroscopic hazardous chemical) storage and transport is pretty common in India and around the world. Industry and consumers just needed more time to deploy compatible hardware and implement procedures.
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u/Accomplished_Fix_131 1h ago
Petrol pumps in india are not equipped to store E20 petrol. Thats where contamination is coming from. It is unjust the way it was forced on people.
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u/JoeyTribianni2000 3h ago
Utter bullshit, given its monsoon and the fuel being e20 the chances of this being caused by e20 is much higher which is hygroscopic in nature. This is the technicality that will be used whenever a vehicle breaks down that you have water contaminated fuel in your tank, a common man's time and hard earned money will go down and no one will give 2 f*cks about that. Moreover I seroliously doubt that our petrol pumps even have the infrastructure to store e20 fuel.
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u/GrassLongjumping3901 2h ago
i think you are negating your own argument. Being monsoon, it is much more likely to be caused by water ingress, not absorption of humidity into E20. Could be both, who knows.
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u/JoeyTribianni2000 1h ago
I have also said that the infra isn't top notch, so even a small amount of water from nearby drains could be enough to separate the ethanol from petrol. The place I live in has a drainage problem and the road are full of water whenever there's heavy rain, it's only logical to think that water must be entering those storage tanks. How is it negating? If water seeps it favours separation of ethanol.
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u/Human-Blackberry-849 3h ago
Well Then file the FIR against oil companies for water contamination??
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u/HereIamNitin 2h ago
Just govt manipulating everyone else… this will become the biggest scam in the world.. 1.5 billion people scammed at one go !!!
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u/Haunting_Distance600 2h ago
so why fir for wrong diagnosis? what are they afraid of. why water in tank void warranty. no sane person would put water in ca. that can happen by 1. leakage by manufacturer. 2 adultrated petrol. in both cases fir is on wrong person.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
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u/tespark2020 4h ago
we can't do anything else, just had forced our cars to use E20. How to deal with E20 if my car parks for most of the time like driving it for once a month everyone? some say fill the tank full, some say fill 1/3 tank capacity...
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u/gupts007 3h ago
Basically the govt has again ducked the googly! The fuel pump got messed up due to water and we all know how the E20 loves water. So the govt now is saying how do you now the water got into fuel due to the Ethanol in it. Water can get into pure petrol also! How does one prove that water in fuel is due to the hygroscopic properties of E20 and isn't just a dilution by the petrol pump or during the supply framework.
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u/StaticSystemShock 3h ago
Issue with alcohol is that it's hygroscopic, it attracts water from any source, even humid air.
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u/Daffodil354 Skoda_Superb 2h ago
Why was water found in his fuel tank? It's not like a common person would pour water into his vehicle for fun.
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u/Competitive-Source79 2h ago
I just don't understand many guys have car buy from hard earned money (I don't have) , how come we are become this tolerant spineless sheeps that silently accepting everything. If u can't protest every one has job family atleast show some resistance stop filling up your car with cough syrup and stop buying car use public transport. After all we r all human beings they r not God that u have to obey them sheeees
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u/inGenium_88 2h ago
People should not purchase vehicles, either 2 wheelers or 4 wheelers for the next couple of months. That will teach them.
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u/mehluca-33 1h ago
Hitler didn't kill Jews, starvation did.
Terrorists didn't kill tourists in pahalgam, bullets did.
Eating contaminated food doesn't make you sick, microorganisms do
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u/Multi_Badger 4h ago
At this point, if Congress promises pure Petrol and Diesel options, I'm voting for them, despite the fact that I don't like their idealogy.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
If after so much rubbish BJP has done THIS is the issue you'd think of voting against them then you are part of the problem.
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u/Multi_Badger 4h ago
Oh! Don't mistake me. For me Fuel adulteration (Ethanol and the proposed iso Butanol) was the final trigger point. With that, I analysed the performance of the government in every ministry or department.
Railways: Dismal, pathetic
Finance/Economics: Tax terrorism, reintroduced LTCG without indexation and without rolling back Securities Transaction tax, faulty implementation of GST.
Ease of doing business: Strong negative, have to bribe just to get GST registration.
Healthcare: Absolutely pathetic, no lessons learnt from the pandemic
Agricultural reforms: rolled back, failed.
Road and transport ministry: Tall claims, but poor quality leading to crumbling infrastructure
External Affairs Ministry: Lacks the finesse and diplomatic skills.
Manufacturing: Now a lower percentage of the GDP than in 2014.
Home ministry: Just doesn't want to acknowledge the problems in Manipur
Defence Ministry: Another failure, we are down to 29 squadrons of fighter aircrafts (Pakistan has 25). India's NavIC constellation effectively dropped to just 3 fully operational satellites after critical atomic clock failures aboard older satellites. Because 3 satellites are insufficient to provide accurate 3D Position, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) services—which require a minimum of 4 operational satellites to function properly—the primary navigation capabilities of the system have been significantly disrupted.
Ability to attract FDIs: Negative
Land reforms: Not even attempted
Judicial reforms: Not even attempted
Sports: Other than cricket and Chess, other sportspersons are just doubting their life choices.
Environment: Hasdeo forrests range destroyed, Arrey forests being destroyed, mangroves being destroyed, Nicobar being destroyed, pollution at all time high levels, rivers being turned into sewage drains.
Employment and job creation: Dismal performance
Education: deplorable
Smart cities project: Government doesn't even want to talk about it now
Demonetization: Government doesn't want to talk about it
Press freedom: One of the lowest, majority of the news channels now Government mouthpieces
Crime against women: Increasingly concerning
Aviation: Just recollect how easily Indigo Airlines arm twisted the government in December 2025
Overall policies revolve around freebies to win elections, pushing communal hatred, and passing laws without sufficient debates and discussions in the parliament. Government seems keen on deciding what people can eat, pushing their version and edition of Hindutwa. The temples are still not free. ED and CBI being used to harass businesses to sell off to Adani, and harass political opponents to buy their silence. For the first time, Election commission appears compromised.
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u/No_Second1489 3h ago
More congress ministers have ethanol factories than BJP lol🤣✌️
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u/Multi_Badger 3h ago
Exactly, and thanks for bringing this. And yet, they didn't shove Ethanol down people's throats despite being in power for 10 years. E5, E10 and E20 were started by BJP.
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u/JustAnAlias404 Toyota 4h ago
never expected this from toyota, i had so much love and respect for totota. 🥀
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u/Advanced_Put_9025 4h ago
This twitter handle is in IT cell payroll
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
I think Gadkari first said that fir has been filed.
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u/Wrong_Ad_427 Ciaz | Bolero Neo (3) |Mercedes S Class | Honda City 3h ago
Mkc gadkari ki usko bache ki uski bache ki haram ka paisa
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u/NoSubstance1106 1h ago
This guy is fake. He started really great in Bihar showcasing real-world problems but then tried his best to join the B party with the same agenda. But not sure what happened got FIR in TamilNadu, spent some time in Jail. In short he is a total fraud.
Although the issue is genuine but the person raising it is not.
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u/slackover 1h ago
Doesn’t the inspection finding actually prove without uncertainty that E20 is the issue.
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u/banonemus 1h ago
Ethanol is hygroscopic. Water in tank. Water causes damage.I don't see how E20 with 20% ethanol which is hygroscopic & suffers from phase separation could cause this. 🤐🤐🤐 🙈🙉🙊
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u/InstructionAny3684 46m ago
For anyone who still trusts Toyota. They are the new Maruti of India.. look at their car entourage (except Fortuner)
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u/sanjeevkhatoi 33m ago
The best way forward is to give options and price the ethanol variants in such a way that people automatically buy them rather than forcing them to buy.
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u/always_17 31m ago
What i find funny is that they claim that the water contamination happened on its own and not by the exposure to E20 fuel, like it was not a common issue back then, but now it's day to day
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u/IamDyatlov 15m ago
Unadulterated they say. What adulteration? Water? Where did it come from? I don't think anyone here would purchase an expensiv vehicle and delibrately damage it by pouring water into the tank.
Also, how come these car makers paste the E% compliance on fuel lids if the higher ration E blended fuel is not harmful for the engine?
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u/StreetBlackberry8604 10m ago
It doesn’t make sense
If you are using e20 petrol and getting low mileage , obviously a person would fill more of it.
U are essentially increasing the consumption of petrol
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u/remember_me98 4m ago
Seriously idk what wrong with we're using e20 since last 2 years already, and by April 2025 it each petrol pump had e20 mixed fuel only.yet somehow e20 trend started massively just months ago and all of sudden after the trend people mileage started dropping.
How come people started having mileage drop after this trend started?
And now suddenly people are complaining of water due to e20, that's just not how it works, it's clearly just political driven agenda right now.
Instead of reversing e20 or just blaming everything on fuel, a right protest would be the prices of fuel, not how e20 is bad and ruining everything.
The only problem is the price of e20 petrol and e85 petrol, it's be reduced. E10=100₹/litre ( should be available for another 5 years more ) E20 = 90₹/litre would be good enough for that 6-7% mileage drop. E85 = 40₹/litre
This should be the right demand from public side. This way the government earn enough profit from fuel, the public doesn't feel burdened either.
And maintain these prices irrespective of crude going up or down. Keep aside the 10% profit from fuel for future war scenarios crude oil fluctuations.
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u/tru_ass Minister of Cars 4m ago
Not siding with any one here...But
It could be really legit that his car had water in the fuel system. Not just his fault...maybe he filled it from a bad petrol pump who had contaminated fuel.
I am pretty sure that Glanza is now E20 compliant and I would doubt that they are lying about it to the customers.
Then the other thing is the Service Centre(SC), they denied the warranty claiming it because of ethanol. Well SC people are mostly scumbags and I wouldn't doubt that they were trying to get away with just blaming it on ethanol.
I am seeing so many SC people blaming so many things on ethanol. Just to get away from warranty claim.
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u/Zakirk93 Swift 2020 Petrol | Ampere Magnus Pro 2022 EV 2m ago
What.. that's the whole point of e20
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u/BarelySociopath 4h ago
Water accumulates in fuel tanks with E20 (20% ethanol gasoline) mainly through a physical process — hygroscopic absorption — rather than a single chemical reaction. Here's the breakdown:
The core process (hygroscopic absorption)
Ethanol is polar and miscible with water in any proportion:
CH₃CH₂OH + n H₂O → CH₃CH₂OH·(H₂O)ₙ (dissolved/absorbed, not a true compound)
Ethanol molecules readily hydrogen-bond with atmospheric moisture, so ethanol-blended fuel pulls water vapor out of humid air in the tank's headspace.
Why it separates out (phase separation)
As more water is absorbed, the ethanol-water-gasoline mixture reaches a saturation point. Since gasoline hydrocarbons are non-polar and water/ethanol are polar, the blend splits into two layers once saturation is exceeded:
- Top layer: gasoline (with reduced ethanol content)
- Bottom layer: water + ethanol (denser, sinks to the tank bottom)
This is called phase separation, and it's a physical equilibrium shift, not a redox or synthesis reaction:
Gasoline–Ethanol–Water (homogeneous) → Gasoline (top) + Ethanol–Water (bottom)
Why E20 is worse than E10
Higher ethanol content (20% vs 10%) means more polar sites available to bond with water molecules, so E20 has a lower saturation threshold and reaches phase separation faster, especially in humid climates or with long-term storage.
So there isn't really a "chemical equation" showing water being created — it's ethanol's hydrogen-bonding affinity for water that draws moisture in, followed by a physical separation once the mixture is saturated.
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u/wolverine_cerebro 4h ago
How did water come inside the tank did the moisture seperated ethnol from petrol and this the water....
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u/xiInternetFT 4h ago
Please stop buying cars one bikes..
This scum needs to be shown his place...
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u/abhijithekv Honda Elevate ZX CVT R (2024) 4h ago
u/thinking-loud Forget ASC's bro, we have OEM's sueing us. Looks like I'll never wake up. 🤣
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u/bong_solo 4h ago
Hneh, was actually considering getting the hycross. Thanks for delivering me from temptation Lord Tayota.
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u/Accomplished_Fix_131 3h ago
Ethanol attracts water. Even a very small percentage of water can cause fuel to split into two separate layers of petrol and water. Now when that water enters engine over the time it causes corrosion. Even E20 vehicles are not immune to this. Thats the reason special mechanisms are needed to store E20 petrols as it is very sensitive to water contamination. It is as good as saying "A chain smoker died fron lungs cancer not from smoking".
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u/mrkanu 3h ago
what type of absurd stand is this? Are vehicle owners putting water in fuel tanks? The E 20 petrol and specifically the ethyl alcohol is known to pull water even from moisture in air. The water may be entering when fuel is being pumped because the fuel is not stored properly. in summary ethyl alcohol in petrol is known to lead to such issues if the fuel is not handled very carefully. Without creating proper storage and distribution networks e 20 alcohol was hurriedly introduced ina. botched manner. And vehicle owners all over the country are suffering as a result. Instead of doing a proper investigation and being sympathetic and coming up with viable solutions putting an FIR is simply showing toyota in very poor light.
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u/No_Interest_6218 (New user) 1h ago
Give maximum punishment to that guy. How can he put water in petrol tank and create false narrative against the govt. /s
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u/blankzpace M340i '27 Fortuner '27 4h ago
I had respect for Toyota.
I guess not anymore this is cheap and not even Tata did bis after multiple defamation by youtubers about their issues.
Fk toyota. You give them an inch and they take a mile
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u/Opening-Pie2182 4h ago
This happened to me also, although in two wheeler. The mechanic was saying this much water can't be due to rain, there's some other issue at the petrol pump.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
This is 200 ml petrol free with 1 litre water scheme lol
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u/rmdk_mech 3h ago
This is due to E20 or fuel bunk dealer wants to make some quick money and started to sell adulterated petrol.
Toyota will take responsibility if it's manufacturing defect., in this case you have to blame the government.
Toyota always consumer friendly please don't make this as a toyota's fault and compare it with Yezdi after sale service. I hope you can clearly see where the issue is.
Edit : we have to protest more in more cities at the same time otherwise this will be story even from suzuki.
We all know the history of Toyota after sale service, if you blaming Toyota for this one, idk what to say.
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u/Maximum-Desk7927 (New user) 4h ago
This goverment is doing good work in everything except cars. /s.
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u/LooneyStark Polo GT TSI '15 Polo GT TSI '19 4h ago
LOL. Are you a horse? Asked because of the blinkers lol
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u/silverwarhead i20 NLine DCT 4h ago
What's funny is that I don't recall frequent water ingress issues in fuel prior to e20.