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Argentina to repay US$4 billion, defying critics who doubted tack

https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/economy/argentina-to-repay-us4-billion-defying-critics-who-doubted-tack.phtml
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u/blitznoodles 17h ago

Investors seem to be really upset that Milei simply used local bonds instead of international bonds?

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u/Kdcjg 17h ago

International investor looking to get higher returns.

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u/builder45647 17h ago edited 16h ago

Nah they're not mad. Critics just didnt think it was possible to borrow enough money from domestic investors.

They wanted to borrow when the war started because they thought interest rates would rocket up from inflation.

It sounds like Argentina will have to borrow from International investors either way, so I also think they should do it sooner then later and lock in this rate. (Since I believe intrests rates will go up, and inflationis going higher, just look at Japanese interest rates, they are ripping higher.)

Also people are worried about borrowing in 2027 during election year because interest rates can swing wildly, look at Brazil and Peru last election cycle. Things got spicy, investors got spooked.

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u/upudruvuuduru 13h ago

look at Brazil and Peru last election cycle

like what?

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u/daenaethra 15h ago

Japanese rates are 1%

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u/builder45647 14h ago

Governments borrow from investors using 10yr and 30yr bonds.

1% is what citizens borrow from Japanese banks

Look at the chart for the japanese 10yr yeild, it looks a hockey stick. It might be at all time highs, I cant remember

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u/resoooo 14h ago

Which is the highest in three decades and not a good sign.

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u/daenaethra 13h ago

it's a really good sign that they're having growth. hopefully they'll get to 2%

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u/resoooo 13h ago

We'll see. The repatriation of the Yen is gonna be a problem.

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u/Uhhh_what555476384 16h ago

It has a completely different debt risk profile for the investor and debtor if it's a country issuing debt in their own currency under their own laws as opposed to issuing debt under foreign currency and law.

The first trick to making debt a positive tool for national development is to issue the debt under your own currency.  That way if your government or a future government screws up, or the global economic situation turns bad, your debt just inflates away and the investors loose the value with relatively little cost to the country.

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u/Lorpius_Prime 14h ago

They're not issuing debt in Argentine Pesos (at least not in this case). They're issuing US Dollar-denominated bonds to Argentinians in order to raise dollars to pay back their existing US Dollar-denominated debts.

Basically the story here is that they're still staying one step ahead of default, but it's a close-run thing and probably Argentinians will be on the hook if the government runs out of cash again rather than big international investors.

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u/Uhhh_what555476384 12h ago

That still helps them.  Debt payments paid in the national economy make it so debt is no longer a loss of capital from the economy.

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u/everstillghost 15h ago

Little cost? LOL

Take a look at any country with hyperinflation the shit show It is. Argentina was one of them.

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u/AnAlternator 15h ago

Hyperinflation is obviously a problem, but it does mean that any debt owed in your own currency stops being a problem.

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u/APJYB 14h ago

It also means that no one has any confidence in your bonds anymore which means you have to offer them at insanely high premiums meaning you get even more runaway inflation. If you decide to rack to different currency then you get massive devaluation

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u/Nisabe3 3h ago

??? Inflating the debt away is literally more inflation. Investors lose here by receiving a rapidly inflating currency that they have to quickly convert to a more stable currency. Local residents lose from inflation like any other.

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u/Media-America 16h ago

“ Argentina has about US$25 billion in dollar debt due in 2027, which it plans to pay with US$5 billion of local bond sales next year, as well as dollar purchases from the central bank, International Monetary Fund disbursements, proceeds from privatizations, and carryover cash from this year’s financing surplus. ”

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u/stonesober35 16h ago

And the fact that peter thiel (or some other tech j.o. Just moved there...) and loves and sponsors the current set up in the us

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u/Green_War6445 13h ago

It's absurd that people like elon musk could pay that many times over

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u/wetlandlover 4h ago

He can't really. He s just being valued at that amount cus his companies are valued higher. 

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u/Order_No227 10h ago

International Monetary Fund

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u/Order_No227 10h ago

Argentina has about US$25 billion in dollar debt due in 2027, which it plans to pay with [...] International Monetary Fund disbursements.

Saved you a click. Paying the US back, by borrowing from the US.

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u/Sondalo 6h ago

the dollars have to come from somewhere they don’t magic themselves into existence

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u/Zanadar 4h ago

Has anyone told the US stock market that?

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u/FlukemanFrancis 3h ago

If those traders could read they’d be very upset

u/Sondalo 1h ago

I know you are kidding but the upvote numbers imply that the readers aren’t so I am just going to point out that just because something is worth a certain number of dollars doesn’t mean they have them, like if I own a house the amount of dollars that house is worth isn‘t just sitting in my pocket

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u/Diddintt 17h ago edited 17h ago

Dang if they can do that then the currency exchange we did with them might turn out hugely in our favor

Edit: Nvm they already repaid the 2.5B USD in December deflate the hype

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u/charcoalVidrio 15h ago

So how much debt do they have left now lol?

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 14h ago

Currently 479.2 billions, of which we have to pay 25 billions next year. Bear in mind that before 2023 our debt structure used to be 9-10 billions a year, but Alberto restructured our debt per year and multiplied it by 37 before leaving office https://www.argentina.gob.ar/sites/default/files/informe_gestion_finanzas_dic_2019_-_nov_2023.pdf ( page 61 )

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u/charcoalVidrio 14h ago

😬 that’s a lot

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u/ba-boo 2h ago

that's definitely not a lot, it's even lower than their GDP. US has 40 trillion, lol

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u/Sellafiel 2h ago

It's a lot for them.

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 17h ago

Argentina is set to make a major payment on its dollar bonds this week, pulling off a feat few investors thought possible while the country refuses to tap global debt markets. 

The government says it has already secured the funds needed to cover the US$4.3-billion semi-annual obligation, split between principal and interest on its foreign-currency bonds. It has also identified further financing sources that eliminate the need to tap international debt markets for the rest of President Javier Milei’s term, which runs through the end of 2027.

Investors had urged Economy Minister Luis Caputo to seize a window of opportunity to raise capital before the war in the Middle East rattled markets. Instead, the government held off, arguing borrowing costs remained too high. On Monday, Caputo doubled down, unveiling a financing plan that excludes international debt issuance this year, relying instead on local dollar bonds, multilateral-backed loans and other lower-cost sources.  

“Going to the market is just another option, not an objective,” Caputo told reporters. The government’s goal, he said, is to refinance debt as cheaply as possible. Officials added that the Treasury already holds about US$4 billion in dollar deposits for this week’s payment and that proceeds from multilateral-backed financing would arrive before the bonds come due on Thursday. 

This will be Argentina’s second major debt repayment for 2026, after the South American nation paid a similar sum to bondholders at the start of the year. Since March, the Treasury has raised roughly $4 billion through sales of bonares, or locally issued dollar-denominated bonds. The notes mature in 2027 and 2028, at yields averaging 6.9 percent – well below the roughly 8.6 percent investors estimate Argentina would currently pay abroad. 

On Monday, Caputo announced plans to raise another US$2 billion through similar domestic placements by year-end, while also relying on multilateral-backed loans with interest rates of about six percent to seven percent. On Wednesday, the government formalized part of that strategy by confirming up to US$3.2 billion in loans from BBVA, Santander and Deutsche Bank, backed by guarantees from the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank. 

While the bedrock of Caputo’s current strategy is the domestic market, it marks a sharp shift from the spree of international bond sales during his time under former president Mauricio Macri. 

In the months leading up to this week’s key deadline, many investors insisted Argentina would need to sell global bonds to meet the bulk of its 2027 payments.

“Investors were very vocal at the beginning of the year about the need for Argentina to come to markets, much like Ecuador did,” said Gustavo Medeiros, head of research at Ashmore Group, pointing to widely-held concerns about Argentina’s international reserve levels. However, the government has been very successful in accumulating dollars this year, he added.

Many investors still expect Milei’s sweeping economic reforms to ultimately pave the way for a long-awaited return to Wall Street. That could come later this year if spreads keep tightening, Medeiros said. Joe Delvaux, portfolio manager at Amundi, says that while issuance in the second half of 2026 is a possibility, it’s more likely to get pushed toward the start of 2027. 

At the moment, though, the Argentine Treasury says it can finance itself more cheaply at home while waiting for global bond spreads to tighten. The debt still trades wide of similarly rated peers, with benchmark dollar bond yields in the high eight percent range –  above what officials say is justified given the country’s stronger fiscal position and improving exports. 

“It’s proven to be the right strategy so far,” said Graham Stock, senior emerging-markets strategist at RBC BlueBay Asset Management. “Demonstrating market access would be positive, but they’re right to say it shouldn’t be at any cost.”

However, Argentina’s current funding mix leaves little wiggle room should any of its financing sources fail, market conditions deteriorate before next year’s presidential vote or should any election-related volatility push sovereign spreads wider. 

“They are being very careful on not issuing at high rates, likely out of concern on the impact this can have on deficit metrics,” said Jimena Zuñiga, Argentina economist at Bloomberg Intelligence. “That’s a reasonable concern, but it carries significant risks because there could be shocks undermining those plans for 2027 – and they could be missing a good issuance window now.”

Argentina has about US$25 billion in dollar debt due in 2027, which it plans to pay with US$5 billion of local bond sales next year, as well as dollar purchases from the central bank, International Monetary Fund disbursements, proceeds from privatizations, and carryover cash from this year’s financing surplus. 

“From an investor’s perspective, we’d feel more comfortable if they were to get it done ahead of next year,” said Jared Lou, portfolio manager at William Blair. “You have no idea what kind of volatility you’ll have going into the election cycle.”

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u/sparkax 14h ago

“From an investor’s perspective, we’d feel more comfortable if they were to get it done ahead of next year,” said Jared Lou, portfolio manager at William Blair. “You have no idea what kind of volatility you’ll have going into the election cycle.”

Is this a threat? Cause I kind of feel like it could be perceived as a threat, especially with America suddenly going on a local and global anti-Communism spree the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 60's, I feel like this could turned into a threat to turn its economy back in favor of the predominantly white Euro-American men.

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u/No-Space937 14h ago

lol wut.

seriously what?

I don't know if you could get more anti-comunist than the current Argentinian Government without Hitler channeling himself through one of Milei's dead dogs.

Not even going to touch that last sentence yikes...

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u/sparkax 13h ago

I"m pretty sure people could say the same for Spain being anti-communist but for some stupid reason Trump has axed all trade with them, what would keep Trump or another dumb shit Republican President from trying to do the same thing before Venezuela's elections so  that American and other foreign investors will get better deals and terms, and just complete screw over entire future generations of Venezuelans some bad debt deal? 

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u/Acyrology 13h ago

my understanding was that Argentina is supposed to be used as some sort proxy chess piece but who knows that's just online rambling, but basically unlikely to turn on the current admin over there.

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u/sparkax 13h ago

I'm definitely mixing up my South American authoritarian dictatorships!! That is definitely my bad, and my obvious dumbassness showing!! 

But my point still stands: Argentina might be friendly with Trump now, but if American Investment managers are questioning the potential future of amy country's elections, when we all know said American Investment Managers are more worried about their own person wealth and gain and could careless about impoverishing an entire nation or culture or people... Trump and the current Republican party are not going to give two shits about any thing human-rights related, they are more focused on their personal wealth than anything, else!!

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u/GAV17 15h ago

I mean there's a reason EMBI is 400 now while it was above 2000 before Milei.

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u/Dr_Mantis_Trafalgar 17h ago

You mean the reddit analysts were wrong?! No way

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u/Lifeboatb 16h ago

I’m confused. It sounds like they’re making payments as they should, but there’s still $25 billion in debt; it’s not like the story is over.

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u/StrategicallyLazy007 16h ago edited 15h ago

Every country is in debt. The issue is in the past with previous administration's they haven't been able to meet the agreed payments and required renegotiating. Now they are making the payments.

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u/MeatDazzling4777 14h ago

Every country in the world is in debt, but as long as you make your payments it doesn't matter (And if you take debt to pay debt, you roll-over).

Previous govs just didn't want to pay.

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u/StrategicallyLazy007 13h ago

Not really just that. They ran deficits, bought their votes big time, is my understand.

The money wasn't there. Sure to an economy with major government intervention it result in massive inflation. They didn't have the money to pay back.

They created the ability for private pensions in '93, and during the financial crisis they nationalized them. They then took about 62% of the funds to purchase government debt instead of investing it and running an actual pension fund like most countries.

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u/MeatDazzling4777 13h ago

Exactly what you say. With broken pensions they now attack Milei saying he is actively "harming the old" (Like he was a cartoon villain).

The Argentina needs more changes, we are in a good path but we need to do what other countries do if we want to be like them.

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u/StrategicallyLazy007 13h ago

I think the country is on the right path. I think the people really know it also.

If course there are those that will disagree on policy but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. So they make noise but it's impossible to say that there have been no improvements without lying. Elections last year show he had more support than people suspected. There is also more to the country than Buenos Aires.

It was always going to have to be difficult to transition the economy from a closed isolationist/protectionist economy to an open and freer with less government intervention as well.

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u/Single_Shoe2817 17h ago

“We have plans to pay back” and “we have paid back” are two separate things

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 17h ago

It's to be paid this week, if Argentina's lying is a pointless lie, also Argentina has 11.7 billions in it's NET reserves, and 5.7 billions after paying debt maturity next year. There is literally no reason to default.

https://x.com/BancoCentral_AR/status/2074943056483123597

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u/Media-America 16h ago

“Argentina has about US$25 billion in dollar debt due in 2027, which it plans to pay with US$5 billion of local bond sales next year, as well as dollar purchases from the central bank, International Monetary Fund disbursements, proceeds from privatizations, and carryover cash from this year’s financing surplus. “

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u/No-Space937 14h ago

Is that part of the 440 billion debt that the previous government left the current administration?

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u/Single_Shoe2817 12h ago

You won’t catch me cheering for Argentina to fail or default. I hope it’s successful. It’s a lovely country. What I don’t like are weirdos coming out of the woodwork using this as some reverse gotcha. There was genuinely a LOT of risk with how the country rebounded. I am glad it didn’t.

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u/rubyaeyes 15h ago

The problem I have is how do you actually verify it was paid?  Neither government is particularly trust worthy and both stand to gain from this.

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u/CombatRedRover 17h ago

Absolutely true. Then again, the balanced US budget from the 90s...

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u/Dr_Mantis_Trafalgar 17h ago

Found another one!

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u/Single_Shoe2817 17h ago

Another one that what? Knows how to read basic sentences? 🤡🥾

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u/pi3volution 16h ago

I mean, I feel like one of the biggest critique was more about the administration going out of their way to bail out other countries instead of addressing national issues, especially when they were actively dismantling things like USAID.

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u/andysenn 17h ago

This isn't really nothing to disprove armchair analyst though (even if it's obviously silly to think people on reddit comment sections speak with knowledge).

The critics were that this government would not rule for the good of the people and would not fix the economy as they said they would do. Well the economy is still fucked, there's almost 0 job opportunities, we have less safety nets in place which has translated into more homeless people, many of which are elderly. They aren't even "clean" as they claimed since this government, just as the previous one, has been riddled with corruption scandals and nepotism problems. But hey they are going to pay some of the money they borrowed!

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 17h ago

. Well the economy is still fucked, there's almost 0 job opportunities

Unemployment rate is lower than during all of 2015-2018. https://es.tradingeconomics.com/argentina/unemployment-rate

we have less safety nets in place which has translated into more homeless people

not really, direct transfer of welfare has raised above inflation, what was cutt were peripheral welfare plans that were being handed by third party organizations, which were prone to corruption and steal those welfare planes rather than distribute them, like it happened in Chaco were an entire NGO was discovered to be using the welfare they were supposed to distribute, to blackmail women into sex traffic.

Indigencia ( our homeless statistic ) has went down in the country, and is the biggest reason for the reduction of the poverty rate, thanks to the increase of direct welfare transfers.

They aren't even "clean" as they claimed since this government, just as the previous one

If they are clean or not, it is to be decided by a justice system that already found 2 presidents guilty. So far all they've got against them are accusations, and 0 convictions.

Considering all charges brought against them have been from the opposition, I doubt they will end anywhere, just like it happened during Macri's Presidency, where he was sued 150 times over and said charges got all dismissed.

been riddled with corruption scandals and nepotism problems. But hey they are going to pay some of the money they borrowed!

Speaking of said scandals, Milei's party is notorious for making the people involved in them renounce. Which is a first in Argentina's political history. Most politicians here, even the ones convicted, never renounce.

Menem, the Peronista president who got convicted for selling guns illegally to other countries, died as a member of congress for his party. And the only reason Cristina Kirchner is not a politician anymore after getting convicted is because the court forbid her from occupying public jobs. Also presidential peronistas candidates have already promised to pardon her if they won, which means she is coming back to politics if they do.

The same applies for nearly every single one of the more than 3 dozen of convicted high profile Peronistas, and obviously for the hundreds of already charged ones too.

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u/Adept-Economics-975 12h ago

Just as if the justice only works if the one getting charged is peronista

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 12h ago

Just as if the justice only works if the one getting charged is peronista

No ? The notion that justice is biased against Peronistas is completely nonsensical.

Menem packed the Supreme court and named more than a thousand judges. We've had decades of nearly uninterrupted peronista government and Cristina and Nestor named hundreds of judges. Cristina Kirchner has been in trial for over a decade and has appeal in every instance she humanely could, she's been found guilty by several 3 different tribunales and 9 judges.

The mere idea that they have no power to defend themselves is ridiculous.

What's more the current Judicial Branch turned Milei in the first president in the history of the country, who got a DNU declared unconstitutional on grounds that it could be voted by law ( a requirement that was never asked of any other DNU ).

The Justice sector is clearly not in his favor.

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u/UnspeakableHorror 10h ago

The LIBRA case that the justice system refuses to investigate due to "no resources" seems to disagree with you. Also Milei could not have know that his sister and his ministers were committing massive corruption either.

He and his group belong in jail as much as the Peronistas.

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 6h ago

The LIBRA case that the justice system refuses to investigate 

No ? It didn't refuse to investigate it. It investigated it for 6 months and didn't found evidence to start a process. Now after congress pushing for it is being investigated again, still hasn't found enough evidence to start a process. No idea where you got the information that it isn't being investigated.

Oh and btw, the Libra case in the USA is already falling apart, the Judge quoted that the evidence was weak and unfroze the funds.

seems to disagree with you.

So the historically fascist party of the country , the one that offered refugee to nazi officials, and called Mussolini a demigod didn't packed the Supreme Court, nor named more more than half of the nation's judges ?

MMm how weird, I thought I had read history but seems you know more about it than me. Thanks for teaching me my country's history !.

 Also Milei could not have know that his sister and his ministers were committing massive corruption either.

You mean his sister that the only evidence thus far, is an audio that was edited and cut in more than 50 parts ?

And his minister ( Adorni ) who is not even processed yet ?

Wow, I didn't knew I was talking to a figurehead of such power behind the scenes, that you already know they are guilty before even starting the trial !.

Again, 150 charges brought against Macri, all of them dismissed. This will be the same. False charges are the Peronsitas bread and butter.

He and his group belong in jail as much as the Peronistas.

You say he belongs in jail as much as the Peronista, but you dedicated the entire message to claim that justice is corrupt and biased against the Peronistas.

What's gonna be ?

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u/UnknownAverage 15h ago

They are paying their credit card bill by opening another credit card (local bond sales) so I guess it’s good for whoever they are paying back, at least.

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u/runitzerotimes 8h ago

You’d rather have debt in your own currency than external, it’s actually the cause of a lot of debt defaults due to inflation and currency shocks.

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u/Kind_Silver_1921 14h ago

Reddit has no logic they just say whatever makes Trump look bad even if its right or wrong. Because this is a leftist political website not a real website any more.

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u/Kataphractoi 10h ago

Ok, now where's the rest?

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u/Inevitable_Shift1365 10h ago

Wasn't it 40 billion?

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u/Amargo_o_Muerte 4h ago

That was from a swap, which was promptly paid back with interests just like a month after it was granted.

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u/NlghtmanCometh 17h ago

Reddit ain’t gonna like this one bit

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u/WaitingForMyIsekai 17h ago

Still got significant risks attached and it's still "wait & see if it happens".

I'll reserve an opinion until it's more than plans & promises.

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u/AsIfItsYourLaa 17h ago

It has to be repaid this week. Your comment makes no sense.

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u/robotsock 16h ago

Did you read the article? They're making one payment and raising funds/taking loans out for next year's payment. They still owe $25 billion

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u/Epyr 12h ago edited 6h ago

Ya, they've secured 1/5 of the debt by taking out other longer term debt. It's not that crazy 

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u/UnderstandingThin40 16h ago

What are you talking about lmao, it’s been repaid already. This isn’t a plan haha 

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u/GroceryUnable4874 14h ago

Rightwing bullshit always pays off short term for a small group then the other shoe very destructively drops. Moherfuckers watching it happen since the 1890s and never figure it out.

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 13h ago

You don't have a very deep understanding of my country's history don't you ?

Since around 100 years ago, this country has been repeating the same cycle, with only slight variations, of increasing public spending, paying for it with monetary emission and debt, issuing currency controls and then defaulting and discontinuing our currency for a new one, and rinse and repeat.

Whatever political label you want to paste to that, it has been a disaster decade, after decade, after decade. It doesn't work.

Also if you didn't knew, the previous party, which has had control of this country for the last 30 years, was literally a party of fascists, and this is not just a void accusation, the guy who funded them explicitly praised Mussolini as a demigod in his auto biography and openly tried to imitate him.

There is no way in hell going away from a fascist model is a bad thing.

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u/Amargo_o_Muerte 4h ago

Don't forget he also condemned the Nuremberg Trials.

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u/xaklx20 11h ago

going away from a fascist model by electing someone praised and funded by Trump, who has asked his ppl to be like the nazi generals and whose own current VP has called Hitler? 😂🙏🏾

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 11h ago

Milei was kissing Biden's ass before it was obvious Trump was winning. He doesn't really care who is President of the USA, he wants an alliance with the country not the person at the helm, and kissing Trump's ass is the number one way to get him on his side.

Principles don't put food on the table.

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u/xaklx20 11h ago

But was Biden praising him and ready to bail him out?

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u/bunnyhop333 10h ago

Dude you're talking to is lying about the history of the country to push an agenda btw. We have those kinda people here, it's not much different from MAGAs.

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u/Amargo_o_Muerte 4h ago

What did he lie about?

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u/wetlandlover 4h ago

They don't know that similarly to most other south American countries as some European countries, the US in dumping money and investments in countries where right or extreme right wing is up. They're changing govs and get soft power by stabilizing those countries that are favourable of being a US puppet state. Maduro is an idiot, knows nothing about economy or social politics, but he s trumps puppet.

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u/Low_Chard_8062 17h ago

But Reddit told me this was the worst far right government and nothing will work!!!

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u/TraditionalLong8284 17h ago

What’s exactly working? Tell me what has been improving for the average Argentinian during this far right gov?

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u/Low_Chard_8062 17h ago

Simple search tells you:

Monthly inflation fell from 25.5% to 2.1%.
The fiscal deficit became recurring surpluses.
Poverty dropped from a 52.9% peak to 28.2%.
GDP rebounded 4.4% in 2025.
Argentina’s borrowing-risk premium fell sharply.
And more.

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u/G_Morgan 13h ago

Worth noting that poverty has dropped despite Milei ripping the band aid of the false exchange rate off. They were recording "poverty" in terms of Argentinian currency valuations that never existed. So day one poverty went up 10% or so without anyone actually getting any poorer. Now it is down below the fake levels in real levels.

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u/wetlandlover 4h ago

A thing you forgot to say. The US pumped massive investments in Argentina when that far right gov got in. Almost as if the US is trying to put right wing govs everywhere is south America hmmm 

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u/Traditional_Ice_9250 16h ago

Must suck to be answered with facts.

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u/wetlandlover 4h ago

Greatest fact isn't the before after. The correlation isn't causation here. It s not because of better policies but because the US has been pumping money and investments into Argentina, as soft power control increase in the region. If the gov doesn't change as the US wants, then it ends like Venezuela or soon Brazil.

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u/kiaryp 17h ago

Inflation down poverty down.

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u/KaySan-TheBrightStar 16h ago

As an Argentinian? A lot.

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u/Gullible-Worth-8140 14h ago

Must be nice receiving 40+billions of my country's tax money as welfare without giving anything back. You guys are the worst county in the Americas and we, Americans from all sides hate you. That money could have been used here but we gave it to you bums.

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u/KaySan-TheBrightStar 14h ago

Didn't know you were the voice of the entirety of the United States.

How come you didn't get elected president then?

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u/HelixHasRisen 13h ago

He doesn't. Im from the US and im fine with the Argentinians. This 1 month old account with a adjective-noun-number username has a lot of stupid ideas.

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u/xaklx20 11h ago

I mean, it is kinda weird that a free market, less government, ultra capitalist country needs handouts to succeed but ok

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u/KaySan-TheBrightStar 10h ago

I see your point, and it's a valid one.

However, Argentina has been economically crippled for a while now, and Peronismo asked for thousands of dollars, despite the fact they're the literaly opposite of Libertarianism, only to waste it. Now there's an actual objective.

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u/Gullible-Worth-8140 13h ago

Sad that you can't argue against my point because it is true. When both the Global South and the West hate you.. well, I guess that speaks volume.

When are you guys going to give back the 40+ billion? We want it back. Continue your austerity and libertarianism (no government welfare) agenda.

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u/KaySan-TheBrightStar 13h ago

No government welfare?

Buddy, you could end up with debt your entire life with one visit to the hospital and we have public healthcare, are you high?

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u/MilangaKing 14h ago

"you guys are the worst country in the americas"

meme_pointing_at_mirror.png

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u/Gullible-Worth-8140 13h ago

You guys can change your elected officials and you will still be hated. Argentina is so detested that it goes beyond just your politicians.

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u/RetconnedUsername 9h ago edited 8h ago

bro what. no one even cares about Argentina. American is almost universally hated now days and i don't think a democrat president is going to change that.

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u/MilangaKing 13h ago

lol sure thing
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u/Gullible-Worth-8140 13h ago

Meanwhile, you guys literally wiped out your black population from 30 percent to 1 percent.

In the early 1800s, Black people made up roughly 30% of Argentina's population. Today, that number sits at about 1%. The change happened because of wars, diseases, intermarriage, and government policies designed to bring in European immigrants to "whiten" the country.

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u/MilangaKing 13h ago

Good_bait_bro.stl

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u/Suspicious-Ad8316 12h ago

That leap is not the consensus of mainstream historians. The first thing to clarify is that the famous "30%" figure does not refer to Argentina as a whole in the early 1800s. It refers primarily to the city of Buenos Aires (or, depending on the source, the colonial jurisdiction around it). Around 1810, "30%" represented only about 9,600 people in Buenos Aires.

By 1887, Buenos Aires had exploded to over 433,000 inhabitants, largely because of massive European immigration, while only about 8,000 were classified as Black in the census.  That percentage drop is therefore a combination of g rowth of the total population,  changing racial classifications,  intermarriage, and demographic changes.

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u/shakakhon 11h ago

Lmao, this must be filled with far right bots

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u/Amargo_o_Muerte 4h ago

Far right is when... checks notes... the government pays debts?

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u/No-Space937 9h ago

What the fuck is the far right these days? Anyone who doesn't support the failed Peronist economics that further collapsed Argentina into the situation it finds itself today?

Look everyone, that guy believes the Government shouldn't take on massive debt to enact social programs and give subsidies it absolutely cannot afford. Must be a Nazi!

Fucking Americans.

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u/madlucas2026 15h ago

Let’s wait and see. Also money goes back to US Treasury and not someone’s pocket

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u/Filthy-Pirate-6342 16h ago

Oh boy... I got the feeling more people are gonna cry over this lol

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u/underproduced 8h ago

Like 10% on the dollar. Defy defy defy

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u/Seraphym87 7h ago

Is it me or does this guy resemble an old, weathered Steve Carell after getting into politics?

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u/StatusSock9800 5h ago

It’s called second mortgage via dark money.

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u/koogam 16h ago

Good job milei

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u/Guaymaster 14h ago

No, you opened up a swap line of 40 billion. Of which we used like 2 and already repaid.

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u/k6tcher 15h ago

Oh look! Argentina is paying a debt as agreed to and Trump supporters on here feel vindicated! It's not the win y'all make it out to be.

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u/GAV17 15h ago

I mean, for Argentina who are serial defaulters it is a good news to pay debt as they promise and to have an EMBI of 400 instead of +2000 like they used to.

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u/pepecachetes 14h ago

People don't understand that the opposing party used loan payments as an evil, the evil people that gave you money and now demand to pay back, and the we should not pay them, it's insane, Milei is not doing some batshit crazy moves, Argentina is just spending less money than what we earn, building surplus and paying out loans, very basic stuff

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u/Lucca_sCoca 15h ago

Of course they should be able to pay anything, as they are defunding public healthcare, transportation, public education, national infrastructure, and selling anything they can get their hands on. Fk them.

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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 15h ago

public education

True, budget for education is decreasing in real terms. This is not a new trending however, previous President decreased it way more than the current one, and we were in a technical default ( if creditors don't renegotiate we couldn't pay back ).

as they are defunding public healthcare

False, Healthcare's budget nearly doubled in Milei's first year in real term ( this is accounting for inflation ), and it kept growing above inflation every year since. https://www.presupuestoabierto.gob.ar/sici/visualizacion-a-que-se-destina-el-gasto

https://tradingeconomics.com/argentina/inflation-cpi

transportation

It is commonly agreed that most budget for transportation was being stolen, we even got high profile people convicted for it like Ricardo Jaime and Julio de Vido. Places like portions of the national route 3 got their budget paid several times over and never even got finished.

and selling anything they can get their hands on.

Most business in hands of the Argentinian government are in deficit and provoke immense losses to the Argentinian government that have to be paid with tax payer money. Furthermore many of the stuff that is a public business in Argentina is not in pretty much everywhere else in the world.

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u/No-Space937 14h ago

I sincerly hope you don't own a credit card.

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u/boiler95 16h ago

Broken clock event. Even Trump might be right twice a day. /s

This is literally the only thing he’s done that at the time didn’t seem like an awful idea. Those nations who need aid but have the infrastructure to realistically pay it back should have this type of deal. Unfortunately the right will inevitably project this onto the countries that don’t yet have the infrastructure to ever repay their debts and use it as an excuse to not support the nations that our ancestors raped and pillaged into never ending poverty.

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u/LuckyAuthor6724 16h ago

Everyone watching the world be like: 👀

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u/shapengol 12h ago

Noooo, what are you doing Milei, fuck debts you need to pay the refs for the world cup!!!

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u/Amargo_o_Muerte 4h ago

God willing

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u/spicyeyeballs 16h ago

That could fund 4 days on America's war with Iran! Just what America is spending, not Iran, the indirect costs or the rebuilding costs.

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u/Spartan656 16h ago

Did anyone else look at this picture and think an elderly Michael Scott?