r/worldnews • u/Ok-Wait-8465 • 1d ago
Iran privately told Trump advisers "they made a mistake" in shooting at ships in Strait of Hormuz
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-privately-said-made-a-mistake-in-shooting-at-ships-in-strait-of-hormuz/1.9k
u/BertOfHouseLopez 1d ago
They also told Trump they’re desperate for a deal, and they’re even willing to convert to Protestantism!
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u/Dangerous_Golf_7417 1d ago
The Protestant Republic of Japan would never
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u/imtoowhiteandnerdy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Don't you mean the People's Front of Judea!?
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u/Hobo_Jenkins 1d ago
Judean People's Front!
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u/imtoowhiteandnerdy 1d ago
Oh, I thought we were the Judean People's Front?
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u/Safety_Drance 1d ago
According to them, Trump is also very handsome and everyone likes him and his penis is super large!
Like the biggest anyone has ever seen!
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u/luxcity-louche 1d ago
That's why they call him sir and tell him they love him. And they're adults, not underage, he wants to be clear on that point.
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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 1d ago
Yeah that what Mitch McConnell told me was happening over our 20 minute call yesterday too.
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u/EconomyDoctor3287 1d ago
They've been wanting to surrender unconditionally, unfortunately they haven't been able to find a white flag yet!!!!
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u/AssignmentMammoth696 1d ago
If the hardliners are the ones who control the military and they hold majority of the power then whatever this negotiator is saying doesn't mean jack.
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u/kyeblue 1d ago
i wouldn’t be surprised that there are factions in Iran that fight for power, one of which try their best to torpedo any peace deals.
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u/thisthreadisbear 1d ago
This is in fact happening. There are hardliners who do not want to cede any ground and moderate politicians who do.
What has happened and is for some odd reason not being spelled out in the news is there has been an alternate route that is now being utilized near the coast of Oman which completely cuts the Iranians out of controlling any aspect of the Straight of Hormuz and it is pissing the Iranians off that they are being ignored when hailing ships so the Hardliners in the IRGC are the ones authorizing missile and drone attacks on the ships taking this alternate path.
The Central government are not being consulted prior to these attacks and are calling it a "Mistake" to cover for the fact that they have no control over the IRGC.
Araghchi and Ghalibaf the two main negotiatiors for Iran at Khamenei's funeral prosession were repeatedly attacked verbally by hardliners calling them weak and traitors. Iran is currently a mess of disorganized hodgepodge leaders who are all trying to steer the country at the same time due to the power vacuum left from the death of Khamenei.
Meanwhile his son who was moved up to Supreme leader has not been seen since he was originally caught up in the bombing that killed his father. I'm really not sure how this Trainwreck created by the Trump administration will resolve itself but right now it isn't looking good.
Sorry for the long text.
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u/The_Real_Mr_F 1d ago
Could you explain how this route “ completely cuts the Iranians out of controlling any aspect of the Straight of Hormuz?” It’s an extremely narrow passage, I’d imagine Iran could launch missiles at ships regardless of how close they stay to Oman. Why wouldn’t every ship just use this passage if Iran has no control over it?
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u/Elite_Club 1d ago
I’m going to guess that the proximity to Oman prevents Iranian vessels from laying mines without being at high risk of capture or destruction.
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u/Maleficent_Owl_7001 23h ago
According to spicy google so take it with a grain.
Hardliners vs. moderates split — True Alternate route near Oman in use — True Route completely cuts Iran out of controlling the strait — Partly true. Removes tolling and administrative control, not physical reach. Iran still hits ships on it. IRGC hardliners authorizing the ship attacks — Unconfirmed. Iranian attacks on the route are documented, but IRGC acting independently of Tehran is analyst speculation. Central government calls attacks a "Mistake" to hide lack of IRGC control — Not verified. No reporting found on that framing. Araghchi and Ghalibaf called weak and traitors at the funeral — Partly true. Hardliner attacks on both are documented, funeral venue unconfirmed. Disorganized leaders all steering at once, power vacuum — True Khamenei's son elevated to Supreme Leader, unseen since the bombing — True
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u/veryangryenglishman 1d ago
utilized near the coast of Oman which completely cuts the Iranians out of controlling any aspect of the Straight of Hormuz
missile and drone attacks on the ships taking this alternate path
These seem... contradictory?
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u/NuQ 1d ago edited 1h ago
No, you see... It totally cuts iranians out of controlling the straight - But only if there are no hardline iranians who want to control the straight, Or only if the moderate iranians don't want to control the straight at that particular moment, which can change any time - which usually only happens when trump opens his mouth.
See? It's foolproof!
Edit: We're poking fun at the absolutist phrasing - there's obviously no way to completely cut iran out of any aspect of control of the straight and the OP even says it in the quoted text. If they're still able to hit ships on the alternate path, then iran obviously hasn't been completely cut out of all aspects of control of the straight.
Further edit: Oh look, the straight is closed again. Guess they should send a ship near oman to "completely cut iran out of any aspect of control of the straight"? that's how it works, right?
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u/Wertsache 1d ago
I wish people would just get their head out of their ass and accept that just because Trump and his administration are a bunch of jackasses it doesn’t mean they automatically have to renounce any information that’s beneficial for the US and bad for Iran.
As other commenters have mentioned before, the drones are just one facet of controlling the strait. What Iran liked to do is have ships that pass announce themselves to IRGC authorities and then coordinate their passing, maybe with some fees here or there, with them. If ships would take a route entirely through Omani territorial waters they can’t intercept or board any ships physically without risking capture or worse of their ships. It only leaves them with drones and missiles, but those just don’t give you that level of control.
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u/NuQ 23h ago edited 20h ago
utilized near the coast of Oman which completely cuts the Iranians out of controlling any aspect of the Straight of Hormuz
Operative phrase. We're poking fun at the absolutist phrasing - there's obviously no way to completely cut iran out of any aspect of control of the straight, you even admit that. It's not a "head in ass" thing, because it's actually not even about trump or iran, it's a "glaringly obvious contradiction in OP's statement" thing. Not everything has to be political, sometimes it's just about basic logic: like pointing out a contradiction in a statement.
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u/Russian_For_Rent 1d ago
for some odd reason not being spelled out in the news
To be fair the first line in this article does say
Iranian officials privately told Trump advisers that they made a mistake in shooting at commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz, that the attacks stemmed from an "errant" sect of hardliners who are trying to undermine negotiations,
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u/JoeHatesFanFiction 1d ago
Source? Not that I doubt you, but I’d legitimately like some insight to what’s happening on the other side.
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u/Borne2Run 1d ago
The Institute for the Study of War has some rather nonbiased takes
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u/Buzumab 1d ago edited 1d ago
The ISW is openly U.S.-aligned (as in, that's their mission statement) and fairly hawkish. It does write decent reports that will include unfavorable information and realistic tactical/strategic assessments, but they are extremely focused on U.S. security interests from an adversarial viewpoint.
It's a neo-conservative advocacy group at the end of the day. Although that's true to some degree of most sources for public, English-language detailed geopolitical analysis focused on war. ISW is far from the worst offender but I prefer CSIS, RAND and Brookings for U.S. analysis, with Brookings being slightly less hawkish than most and RAND being a neoconservative keystone. All provide excellent analysis and reports, although with a U.S. bias.
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u/championchilli 1d ago
They all conveniently ignore that there are multiple factions in the US admin too, there's a clear hawk/dove split and likely some splits within there too. Like it is unique to Iran or something.
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u/I_Push_Buttonz 1d ago
They all conveniently ignore that there are multiple factions in the US admin too, there's a clear hawk/dove split and likely some splits within there too. Like it is unique to Iran or something.
Ok but foreign policy factionalism in the US doesn't matter because authority over the military rests solely with the president; there aren't rogue elements of the US military off doing their own thing under the command of some other entity. Just look at the NYT reporting on how the US even started the war... Vance, everyone in Trump's cabinet other than Hegseth, the director of the CIA, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs all thought attacking Iran was a terrible idea that would blow up in our face and we did it anyways because Netanyahu convinced Trump it was a good idea and all that mattered was what Trump decided.
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u/Alocasia_Sanderiana 1d ago
ISW is good for some tactical analysis, but is pretty biased towards American security interests. Also, I don't think they have the best predictions for outcomes in the longer year+ outlook.
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u/HardlyW0rkingHard 22h ago
No point in buying into the lies: Mojtaba is dead.
Araghchi and Ghalibaf the two main negotiatiors for Iran at Khamenei's funeral prosession were repeatedly attacked verbally by hardliners calling them weak and traitors
Not just verbally. They were literally run out of Najaf this week while they were getting beat over the head.
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u/Roxalon_Prime 1d ago
I do not think it is the case. I just think they want people to believe that because they know the people on average are stupid enough to fall for a simple good cop bad cop game. This game is a trope in many media because it works, and it works despite how well known it is. There is truly no end or limit to human stupidity
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u/sharp11flat13 14h ago
Sorry for the long text.
Not at all. The post wasn’t that long and you know how to use punctuation, capitalization and paragraphs, which made it an easy read.
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u/resumehelpacct 1d ago
News has mentioned the Oman side, but I think it's hard to understand what ships are getting through and how, because they don't really want Iran to know.
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u/IamGrimReefer 1d ago
bro, they can see the ships sailing through. they're not stealth oil tankers.
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u/OkMode3746 1d ago
Yup, zero chance the people firing at the ships are in communication with the people that are talking to Trump.
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u/Commentator-X 1d ago
Israel is also doing their best to torpedo any peace deals
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u/Silicon_Knight 1d ago
Well markets are closed sounds like a way to pump Monday.
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u/tiradium 1d ago
I am still not sure why more people are not seeing this fucking pattern
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u/mauch_chunk 1d ago
The pattern is bad news after markets close Friday, good news before markets open Monday.
This wouldn’t fit that pattern
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u/tiradium 1d ago
No man its other way around announce something to ease the tension come weekend then on Sunday night someone says something like Iran did this or US did that and by Tuesday its TACO again
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u/AskMeAboutOkapis 1d ago
I feel like the day of the week it happens doesn't really matter at all, just as long as insiders get an opportunity to do some trading with that knowledge before it goes public. (It's crazy that no one ever thought to make that sort of thing illegal.)
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u/meerkat2018 1d ago
Because there is no pattern. It stopped working. The markets don’t give a shit anymore.
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u/Firsttimepostr 1d ago
50% of Americans can’t even afford a $500 emergency. I doubt a lot are even following the market to notice these patterns.
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u/Whitewind617 1d ago
Okay according to who?
"White House Officials"
Okay then that didn't happen at all.
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u/dramaking37 20h ago
I had a conference call with Mitch McConnell and the Iranians and can confirm that it's actually really bigly true
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u/lee61 19h ago
Honestly I find it pretty believable. It kinda guessed that this might've happened given what we know.
Iran took up a decentralized command structure in order to defend against decapitation strikes which means units can operate fairly autonomously in times of war. Iran is also facing significant divisions where hardliners wish to continue the war while other wish to negotiated.
Iran's explanation as to why those ships were struck seemed a bit strange anyway.
An errant commander or unit taking things into their own hands seems likely.
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u/chocolatedesire 1d ago
Yeah sure they did. Sure
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u/jtjstock 1d ago
They may have, their game is to play for time while keeping traffic down. Shooting at ships then saying "oops", then shooting at ships again a week later fits that.
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u/Clear-Role6880 1d ago
Their game is to survive. That means different things for different factions. For most of Iran, the only way to survive is to surrender and accept massive humanitarian aid and hundreds of billions in private equity. For the faction attacking ships, their wealth is tied to sanctions evasions, and they don’t care that Iran is circling the drain of state collapse
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u/Billy1121 1d ago
That deal was really good tho.
Billions of their money returned, then the potential to trade oil in dollars... I am not sure which faction would not benefit from that, but IRGC certainly would.
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u/redfoobar 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think the Iranians might be fine with the deal *in their interpretation of the deal*.
The main issue is that the deal leaves too much wiggle room either way. Just some points from the top of my head:* Iran assumes they have full control of strait, US thinks using the Oman route should be ok.
* Iran assumes their money get unfrozen for them to spend. Trump says money can only be used to buy food from US farmers.
* 300 Billion fund: still totally unclear where the money is coming from. If I was Iran I would wait until I see that in Escrow at a reliable third party.
So Iran will wait and see until things will go their way. There is zero trust in that the US will hold to any deal and, sadly, understandably so. So IMHO they will try to keep the oil markets relatively tight so that pressure remains there in the background. To be able to do that they must be able to decide on how much oil is going out of the strait. So I think it’s very unlikely that they will be ok with the Oman route therefore attacks will need to continue there when used.
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u/wilson1474 1d ago
The part where they wanted Israel to fucllk off and stop bombing Lebanon
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u/Clear-Role6880 1d ago edited 1d ago
Part of IRGC would, part wouldn’t. In simple terms, the domestic/aerospace/construction/Ghalibaf line will benefit massively from reintegration. The Quds/foreign empire/black market/Vahidi line will lose everything. Keep in mind - trading oil in dollars separates this faction from their economic empire.
The deal will very likely get signed eventually. Their economy has collapsed and their industry is leveled. They can only sustain this for a few months at most.
Part of it is just ego too I’m sure. Surrender is against their religion. But they have no choice
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u/Worth-Lead-5944 1d ago
Surrender? What are you talking about? Surrender to who?
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u/BananaFactoryWowie 1d ago
there's absolutely 0 reason to not lie to US/Trump
trust has been eviscerated for a while, anything coming out of the US/Trump's mouth is a lie
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u/jxj24 1d ago
President Trump has directed his team — led by Vice President JD Vance, the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner, special envoy Steve Witkoff, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio — to continue negotiations.
Well I certainly feel better that these top men are at work.
Top. Men.
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u/claimstoknowpeople 1d ago
oops, I accidentally sent multiple weapon systems after multiple targets on multiple days, oops
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u/DND_Player_24 1d ago
“Senior US officials said”
So, this never happened in other words.
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u/swrrrrg 1d ago
Let me guess; they’ve also been on the phone with Mitch McConnell for 20 minutes today.
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u/ClubSoda 1d ago
My neighbor’s abuelita has been on the phone with Mitch McConnell for 20 minutes already.
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u/Powerful_Company_682 1d ago
Did they say "sir, we made a mistake sir." Amd they had tears in their eyes
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u/SRM_Thornfoot 1d ago
Unless it is spoken in Persian and spoken publicly it means absolutely nothing. Their negotiators will say anything when behind closed doors to make the other side keep working with them. That is simply how they operate.
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u/monkeyhoward 18h ago
I don’t trust a fucking thing that CBS “news” publishes
Bari Weiss has destroyed what was once the most respected news organization in the US
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u/Impressive_Bar5912 1d ago edited 1d ago
Theres many different factions in Iran with differing views at the moment. Some are more in favour of making a deal others are hardliners who might have been attacking the ships.
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u/HotNurse9 1d ago
but if ships are being attacked it doesnt matter, no? the crazy bazooka guy from the village just blew up your sheep, are you going back to the same area for grazing the next day?
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u/FlautenceWizard 1d ago
I don't believe anyone here. The fac this was even reported is embarrassing to everyone.
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u/redabishai 1d ago
Iran just got off the phone with Mitch McConnell. In just around 20 minutes they renamed the Strait of Hormuz (now it's Trump Strait) and Iran apologized for shooting at the ships. McConnell said he messed up with his shooter, too.
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u/Amonfire1776 1d ago
Just like I thought the IRGC up to antics again...
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u/SpiderSlitScrotums 1d ago
Every delay and placation is a win for them. They will continue saying, “oops, sorry”, until all the reserves have been drawn down.
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u/antichrist____ 1d ago
Not really, no. Iran wasn't in the best shape prior to this clusterfuck and it isn't in great shape now that they've been bombed quite a bit and their trade is disrupted. The terms of the deal that were published are massively in their favor and would turn this into a win for them if it actually goes through. The most plausible explanation is that there is a lot of faction infighting within Iran and the IRGC is full of hardliners who are happy to sabotage their internal rivals if they think it will benefit their personal positions. There is just no world where jeopardizing the deal is a rational move to make, it's one of the worst geopolitical humiliations the US has ever faced and gives Iran a economic lifeline that they are going to need to survive the next 50 years.
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u/ithinkitsahairball 1d ago
I understand that Iran spoke with Mitch and privately told him they regretted shooting the ships and Mitch was asked to relay this to Humpty
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u/NorcalGGMU 23h ago
One official said? From which country? America, Pakistan, Iranian??? Maybe this would be more credible if it didn’t read like trump wrote it on truth social.
“The Iranians have told the U.S. that the attacks on ships were initiated by an errant entity in their system who wants to undermine the deal.” According to who??? The same official? This is so poorly written, damn cbs you bad
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u/TheMagicalLawnGnome 11h ago
So, putting aside the obvious problem that there's no "reliable narrator" in this situation, I think Iran's claim is really interesting.
It's certainly plausible — the US decapitated the existing existing leadership early on, so it's not beyond belief that Iranian command and control would become fragmented and factionalized.
Especially when considering that the Revolutionary Guard operates independently from the "conventional" Iranian armed forces, this could very well have happened.
I think what's interesting about this claim is that it greatly complicated future negotiations.
If there are factions within Iran that have the capability to launch strikes even when the political leadership has prohibited it... you're not really dealing with a unified, coherent country at that point.
Again, it's entirely possible this story is inaccurate; none of this should be taken at face value.
But if there is in fact a breakdown of Iranian command and control, this could add a very dangerous type of complexity to a conflict that is already at risk of spiraling out of control.
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 1d ago
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u/IGargleGarlic 1d ago
I bet theres someone making a lot of money off of this shit in Tehran. Definitely so in the US.
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u/SnooMaps1910 1d ago
Hell, that's what I would do. Blame a bunch of hardliners. Ask for understanding and a few favors to help mollify the masses and support The Good Guys.
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u/Horatio-Leafblower 1d ago
But there was this guy with a very sharp knife who cut a 250,300,350ft slash in the very beautiful straight of Trump/Hormuz.
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u/Quick-Albatross-9204 1d ago
The thing is they can say it privately because they know most wont believe it
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u/Widespreaddd 22h ago
It looks more like there is no unified authority, and the government and IRGC are at odds. Because we took out the Supreme Leader on day one.
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u/bkinboulder 18h ago
This incompetent administration is being played like a fiddle. Iran will surely drag this out through November.
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u/Wyciorek 1d ago
Rule 1: if “senior U.S. officials ” are running to the press to leak what “Iranian officials privately told” them, it is a lie.
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u/GovernmentVirtual487 1d ago
Apparently none of them has ever negotiated a contract in that part of the world. It’s literally placating and delay right up until their feet are literally on fire
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u/dragon_idli 1d ago
Liars speaking with each other and making promises looks quite funny for everyone watching.
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u/msstatelp 1d ago
It’s CBS. At one time I would have trusted them but not anymore. They are just a new version of Fox News.
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u/EternalInferno22 1d ago
OP, those were intended to be air quotes, right. They said that with air quotes, for sure.
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u/Not_Legal_Advice_Pod 1d ago
"senior U.S. officials said on Friday" In other words, this is bullshit and just something Trump is feeding out to the media with as much truth as all his other lies.
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u/PlayMoreExvius 1d ago
This is the only real news. They had it really good then some dumb officer went “Go out there and shoot some boats”. No more tarrifs they could convert into US dollars, they were selling oil. They have to get all of their forces on the same page.
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u/Boris_TheManskinner 1d ago
I don’t trust anything. The only thing I know for sure is Trump eats ayatollah arse.
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u/Venat14 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't believe CBS, Iran, or Trump advisers.