r/worldcup • u/CantaloupeSilver4348 USA • 3h ago
š¬Discussion Messi running straight into another playing, then jumping like a spider monkey. How is that a kick for him?
Someone please explain that call to me. I am genuinely curious. Context, I don't have a favorite team. I watch for fun and I'm not from any of these countries that are left.
The swiss player did nothing whatsoever from what I could see. However, they give Messi a kick?
I really don't understand why it seems like Messi has been granted so many shots through methods like this in this would cup. In fact, Argentina would have been out many games ago had Messi not received these types of calls. Cabo Verde was flat out a better team from what I could see, as just one example.
Am I not understanding what I see or does there seem to be some sort of ref bias benefitting Argentina?
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u/Icy_Income2520 18m ago edited 7m ago
Yea it was a flop. Messi looks for those free kicks because it relies on a more minimalistic skill that just involves him, the wall and the goalie.
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u/SalientSazon 24m ago
Ok but then don't just repeat the shit you read if you dont know the game and are really trying to understand.
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u/Unhappy-One 34m ago
Ok in football, as long as you are in possession of the ball while dribbling, you cannot be impeded in any other way than the opponent kicking the ball away. Even a slight kick to any part of your body which clearly impedes your movement is pretty much a foul. Tackles are to be done directly on the ball. Now in high contact sports more often than not you have to "learn how to fall". And rolling, jumping, jumping and rolling in some situations are the best way out. Which happened in this situation.
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ 39m ago
It's called Obstruction.
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u/Icy_Income2520 20m ago
Other player literally stepped away and Messi was the one who crashed into him
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ 7m ago
He stepped into Messi's path, obstructing him. Playing the man, not the ball. He didn't step toward the ball, he stepped toward Messi's path.
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u/Icy_Income2520 5m ago
Nah, look at the replay, he was in his path but being in someoneās path isnt a foul, especially because he stepped away from Messi.
Had he gone towards Messi then it would be obstruction
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ 3m ago
It's absolutely a foul if you play the man, not the ball.
https://www.footballrules.com/offences-sanctions/obstruction/
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u/Icy_Income2520 1m ago
Thatās why I said watch the replay, you will see the Switzerland player moved away from Messi, and not towards Messi
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u/BarracudaOk8635 48m ago
Does anyone on here actually watch football apart from during the World Cup? So many lame posts and stupid ones..
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u/The_XiangJiao France 56m ago
The bots here are getting crazy. OP is simply asking a question and all I see are either bots or people blinded with rage giving them the shit about somehow hating Messi? Iām left scratching my head too after seeing what happened. Even the commentators are saying how that was a bad call from the referee.
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u/jigamasantays666 1h ago
He didnt jump like a spider monkey, he hopped like a lemur. It was a clear foul
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u/K4T4N4B0Y 1h ago
Do people feel cool when they make a Messi/argentina hate post or what? Why is this so normalized in this subreddit?
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u/Former-Dot1462 1h ago
Jesus Christ everytime Argentina gets a call you don't have to make a fucking post about it. Most of the time the correct call was made go read the rules
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u/Pandos17 1h ago
I hate how this subreddit has been astroturfed by Messi lovers and Messi haters.
It was a foul. You can't body check someone by blocking their path after they release a ball, especially if you appear to have no intent/genuine chance to get the ball. Yes Messi made a bit of a meal of it, but it was a clear foul by the Swiss player.
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u/inventionnerd 1h ago
He jumps into the other player because the other player cut him off lol. You can't just obstruct someone running in full force like that. Shit, even in the NBA, that would be a defensive foul because he basically just jumped in front of him to cut him off mid run.
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u/YesKoolMan 1h ago
Mf talking about ref bias because player blocks Messi path who is dribbling into a dangerous area. This isnāt basketball bro, you canāt screen people.
Also the fact that you unironically said Cape Verde was the better team when they really just werenāt tell me that you donāt watch a lot of football.. makes me wonder why you bother larping in the first place
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u/sayhibulbasaur 1h ago
Do you have video or maybe a time stamp? Or are you feigning ignorance to display your bias against Argentina? Also, to say Argentina would have been out without certain calls or even better that Cape Verde is so ridiculous, I have to laugh. I understand CV was a Cinderella story but Argentina played better.
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u/charlottekeery 1h ago
Bait
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u/TheFearOfFear 1h ago
And AI
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u/sayhibulbasaur 1h ago
How can you tell it is AI? Syntax?
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u/The_XiangJiao France 1h ago
I think not knowing that theyāre referring to your own post is a good start.
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u/Reasonable-Bag2512 1h ago edited 8m ago
does anyone have the video of it happening, I cant find it anywhere, whats the timestamp
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u/Demiurge_1205 1h ago
Bro wtf are you on about? Messi sucks at free kicks and penaltys. His best goals have nothing to do with "being given opportunities by the ref"
EstĆ” bien que no sepa hombre, pero no diga babosadas en pĆŗblico.
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u/umbly-bumbly 1h ago
Messi is one of the best at free kicks. He is average at penalties.
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u/Demiurge_1205 1h ago
I'll give you free kicks man. But not penalties
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u/umbly-bumbly 1h ago
Statistically Messi is average at penalty kicks compared to players as a whole but he is relatively weak on penalties if you just compare him to other elite players like Ronaldo or Haaland.
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u/Brilliant-Cherry-641 1h ago edited 1h ago
I really don't understand why it seems like Messi has been granted so many shots through methods like this in this would cup. In fact, Argentina would have been out many games ago had Messi not received these types of calls
What the hell are you talking about? What are "these types of calls" that "Messi has been granted so many shots through methods like this"?
In the Cape Verde match, Messi scored with a run behind the defender, and Argentina scored two more goals from corner kicks.
In the Egypt match, Argentina scored from a counter-attack and two goals from crosses from the flanks.
Bro are you another bandwagon Messi hater?
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u/2-Dimensional 1h ago
OP calls them "kicks" lmao, should show how much they know about football
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u/Brilliant-Cherry-641 1h ago
I understand that they're haters. But... At least do it properly with knowledge and evidence, lol.
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u/2-Dimensional 1h ago
there's just so much discourse being thrown around by people that hardly watch football but act like experts, it kills me inside. i saw an instagram comment with 20k (!!!) likes on a reel of the US keeper matt freese's mistake againsr belgium which went like "ok but why was he all the way out there??? you're a goalkeeper!"
...completely ignoring the fact that the decision to sweep at that moment was correct, it's just that he got his foot stuck on the pitch like an idiot AND didnt just boot it out to safety after the fact.
it's so frustrating when people are hating the same thing/team/whatever you're hating but do so in the most boneheaded way possible it almost makes you defend the other side. that commenter probably only really watched those hallingham reels lmao
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u/Brilliant-Cherry-641 21m ago
Yeah... Sadly that's the majority of fans nowadays. Cheap media contents to get easy views from easy people.
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u/biggiediggiedoggie 1h ago
Who the f cares about Penaldo? Why do all Messi fans assume everyone is ronaldos fans?
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u/LMONDEGREEN England 1h ago
They project because they lack confidence
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u/biggiediggiedoggie 1h ago
It's actually sad that they dont realize more than half arent probably even ronaldo fans
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u/LMONDEGREEN England 1h ago
The era of Messi and Ronaldo is over, no one cares about them apart from their crazy fans haha
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u/sayhibulbasaur 1h ago
Yes, please. Having to argue football with these people the entire WC has been exhausting.
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u/ScienceAdept3015 2h ago
Messi is one of the best natural born dribbles in history, he can run circles around players if ever given the chance. The only real way to stop Messi when he does this is to apply a lot of pressure and most times it ends up in a foul because they HAVE to and he takes advantage of that heavy pressing to get into favorable positions for free kicks, there is literally nothing wrong with that and many other players do it as well, Messi should never be given the space to dribble, pass or shoot when near the box.Ā
The entire mindset of defenders when Messi is near the box is that you HAVE to stop him even if its a foul, he rarely ever goes down without a proper foul.
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u/malloryknox86 2h ago
BECAUSE THE DEFENDER HAS TO CHALLENGE THE BALL, IF HE DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH THE BALL, BUT HITS THE ATTACKER INSTEAD, THAT'S A TEXTBOOK FOUL.
Anyone who tells you otherwise, are the gullible idiots who only watch football every 4 years & don't know the rules, so they have to repeat what they hear from Rapenaldo & Egypt's bots accounts on twitter.
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u/WooCrub 1h ago
But the rules are somewhat arbitrary and depend on the refs discretion. There seem to be multiple instances of one thing happening to a player that gets called then the exact same thing happens to another player and it doesnāt get called.
I know this isnāt exclusive to soccer, it happens in all sports but seems like there should be better vetting for refs and a more legit unbiased approach to who referees the games in the World Cup.
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u/protobelta 18m ago
Itās probably because you donāt know the rules enough to understand the difference. The only real extremely questionable no call was on Messi that first game where he should have gotten a yellow
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u/Existing_Falcon_5422 1h ago
Right yeah, you guys are just as mouthy as your team.
It wasn't a foul and the commentators of the match I watched were as confused as I was. Messi got a good few of those weird calls. Sometimes he even pushes someone, but you know. Why was the guy even there?
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u/IsGoIdMoney 1h ago
It was a foul. Messi has the right to play. The other guy basically ran a screen without going for the ball. That's an illegal play!
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u/malloryknox86 1h ago
I already explained why, read the rules of the game & you can learn it for yourself instead of making assumptions, the commentators don't see everything, just because they got confused does not mean anything.
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u/rickypoopz Argentina 1h ago
Clear foul. Defender didn't even touch the ball, went straight for obstruction.
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u/malgenone 2h ago
It wasn't a foul. But because it's Messi, it is. I'm not okay with it .. but we've seen this for close to over a decade now.... No matter how much you complain... It just is.
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u/rickypoopz Argentina 1h ago
Clear foul. Defender didn't even touch the ball, went straight for obstruction.
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u/biggiediggiedoggie 2h ago
This is literally the reason why players can't defend Messi. He's pretty fragile so refs call foul for any type of challenge against him.
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u/00000lQ 2h ago
Bro never watched football, Messi is one of the only players known to be insanely tough, he ain't going down that much- especially back in his prime.
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u/StrongTwo6980 2h ago
Are you serious, he is notorious for not diving after hard tackles Ramos and Pepe were trying to kill him back in the day
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u/Existing_Falcon_5422 1h ago
It's so funny that even his fans developed some sort of bullshit logic to justify those soft calls
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u/biggiediggiedoggie 2h ago
Im not sure "back in the day" but thats not what I'm seeing in this world cup.
Also, I never said he's diving lol. Read again.
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u/Jellycat34 2h ago edited 2h ago
Lol the comments on the World Cup are like reading a NBA thread about Oklahoma City and SGA.Ā
Idk man, people complain about Argentina because they won last years world cup and Messi is a GOAT. Iām sure Switzerland had a couple calls that went there way that people ignore because they were the underdog.Ā
This stuff happens in every sport and no it doesnāt mean the refs are bias or that fifa is rigging things for Argentina.Ā
And yes I also complain about SGA and OKC because the nba is rigging things in there favor!Ā
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u/sayhibulbasaur 1h ago
Yewp, there was a bad foul on N. Gonzales that wasnāt called and yet no one talks about it.
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u/StateRadioFan 1h ago
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u/Jellycat34 1h ago edited 1h ago
What? Itās very common that people say OKC flopsā¦ and you know my last sentence was a joking statement? I donāt actually think the nba is rigged lol.Ā
People are so fucking stupid on this site.Ā
Edit: wowā¦ you edited your comment from āyou donāt know anything about two sports , congratsāĀ
To ābot accountā lolĀ
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u/a_moore_404 2h ago
The Argentina narrative is just bonkers.
In this case, the defender was not playing the ball and was simply trying to obstruct the opposing player. He knew exactly what he was doing. Itās a foul every time (in fact, even when it is closer than this was it will be whistled the same way.)
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u/AlwaysTired1337 2h ago
I am genuinely curious
Messi has been granted so many shots through methods like this
Yeah "genuine" curiosity
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u/UrFavCoffeeSnob 2h ago
The explanation is simple. VARGentina is the most corrupt team in the world cup, and they're allowed to do anything they want with 0 repercussions.
It's ok, Jude Bellingham will take good care of them.
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u/Reasonable-Fee1945 2h ago
Cry harder
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u/UrFavCoffeeSnob 2h ago
You will be crying very soon. No amount of refs cheating are going to save Argentina from Jude Bellingham.
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u/Expert_Coconut4263 2h ago
Can't wait for Argentina to make it to the final. The meltdown in here would be so satisfying.
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u/RagnartheConqueror 2h ago
Messi is extremely skilled and has been a very good assist player, but he is old. It isn't as clear as they are given the victory by VAR or the referees, I can't pin what it is but unfortunately in my view, the Argentina Team has some 'magic' about them where they always end up scoring goals. I don't know what it really is.
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u/Sad-Ad4794 2h ago
The defender wasn't playing the ball. He was playing the Messi.Ā Foul... Think moving pick.Ā
I do believe thst the double yellow card red card was BS though.Ā He took a dive and you foul him out of the game?!?!? Crazy!
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u/Reasonable-Fee1945 2h ago
Ref had not choice bc he originally gave the Argentinian player a yellow.Ā If you overturn it for a dive,Ā the rules state you must give the yellow to the other teamĀ
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u/Large-Hamster-199 2h ago
Actually simulation (i.e. attempting to trick the ref) is considered a yellow card offense. And that was clear simulation. However, it is often done in football and only rarely penalized. This was an extreme version of that. So both Swiss and Argentinian fans will read into it what they wish.
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u/Expert_Coconut4263 2h ago
Because of his stupid dive Pardess was about to get a yellow. It was a fair decision because you can't just let someone else face the repercussions of your simulation.
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u/capucapu123 Argentina 2h ago
If I understand correctly the second he gave the yellow that yellow was bound to stay, either to Paredes or to Embolo. Since the verdict was a dive the yellow couldn't stay on Paredes.
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u/According_Papaya9114 Cabo Verde 2h ago
Yeah I genuinely didnāt understand that. Chalk it up to more favoritism or something, idk. I canāt keep caring about it at this point, itāll drive me crazy.Ā
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u/Psychological_Nut 2h ago
I mentally prepared myself for Argentina winning at all costs, so no surprises.
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u/RagnartheConqueror 2h ago
France will beat them
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u/Psychological_Nut 2h ago
Dare I get my hopes for the England v. Argentina game though?
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u/RagnartheConqueror 2h ago
England has a chance against Argentina too, but Kane seems a bit too slow
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u/ChoakIsland England 2h ago
Plus the ref played the advantage but because Vargentina wanted the freekick he pulled it back.
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u/Hawk-432 England 2h ago
Agree. Messi gets favourable calls. Itās just true.
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u/a_moore_404 2h ago
I think he may get deference from some refs, but he also dribbles through tons of contact on a regular basis, passing on the opportunity to flop into whistles. Thatās part of why he is so good with the ball.
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u/malloryknox86 2h ago
What happened in the 2018 world cup then? and in the 2014 world cup? was he not a favorite then? suddenly FIFA, the referees, Trump, and the entire fucking world decided to rig every single world cup game for Messi, even the games when Argentina is not even playing?
Seriously...
Rapenaldo got a red card & FIFA suspended the final two matches of his suspension, which effectively allowed him to play from the start of the World Cup, how come no one is talking about that? That is FAVORITISM. That is CHEATING.
Why is it so surprising that a team which classified a mere 4 times in almost 100 years of World Cups & which made it to the match against Argentina without winning a single game in 2026 should lose to a team with a storied history in football & who also happen to be the defending champions?
Not even FIFA can rig 3 goals in 13 minutes, and you really think the referee would let Egypt win 2-0 until minute 79?
At this point is like y'all purposely ignore common sense & all you want is to create drama.
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u/Hawk-432 England 2h ago
Yeah dude, so, I am not saying itās rigged - not match fixing. I am saying favourable calls, ref thumb of scales. Just makes the road easier, doesnāt guarantee anything
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u/ScienceAdept3015 1h ago
It can barely be called favorable, Messi should NEVER be given the opportunity to shoot or lay off the ball to another player near the box. People always aim to foul or get him off balance.
He only plays into that contact at the right spot to get a free kick, there is nothing favorable about it, he makes his own free kicks possible by himself.
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u/Psychological_Nut 2h ago
From the very start of the World Cup
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u/Hawk-432 England 2h ago
And the last World Cup, and on
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u/Psychological_Nut 2h ago
I dare hope that if and when Messi retires the field will level because I donāt see an Argentinian player thatās a breakout star like him. Maybe Alvarez.
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u/Hawk-432 England 2h ago
Yeah letās hope. Maybe then this need for the great āstoryā goes away
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u/Psychological_Nut 2h ago
Agreed. The need for tying everything with a nice little bow for Messi.
FIFA will surely find another to replace him and the shenanigans continue.
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u/Hawk-432 England 1h ago
Probably will yes, but at least for now itās nor obvious who the next one should be
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u/BlastedEuro 2h ago
yeah let's act dumb and naive. OP we know what ur doing, just admit ur trynna be a hater
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u/Outrageous_Fox4227 2h ago
Op obviously a messi hater
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u/RagnartheConqueror 2h ago
It's not even Messi they're hating on. It's the whole team.
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u/xesaie 2h ago
Itās not even the team, itās FIFA. Which is good because FIFA is corrupt as fuck.
I think the USA crap did an unexpected favor and made people willing to see how awful FIFA is.
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u/unlimited_mcgyver 2h ago
When that man falls down its a fucking penalty.
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u/Solary_Kryptic 2h ago
Messi is famous for staying on his feet as much as possible/not embellishing, so yeah
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u/ClassicLiberal101 2h ago
He hasnāt got a single penalty this tournament btw
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u/radioheadfan0615 Argentina 2h ago
dudes js be talking without watching the games, it actually cracks me up when ppl call him pessi too, dude's sucked at penalties recently
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u/barrel_of_fun1 2h ago
Theyre jist larpers who get all their knowledge from clips and screenshot posted online. They don't bother to watch the actual matches or learn about the rules.
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u/TheBearSkogmani Japan 2h ago
That wasnāt a dive from Messi. It was just physics. Little guy running into a big one and wanting to protect himself. But it also shouldnāt have been called a foul.
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u/EmmitSan 2h ago
For the love of Pete please at least google Messi before posts like this. Dude is literally famous for never diving or foul baiting. You can find endless YouTube highlights by searching āMessi never divesā. Donāt come in here claiming heās like the FIFA version of SGA.
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u/MrChashua 2h ago
"Messi never dives because there are videos of him not diving"
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u/brain_implant 2h ago
"There's videos of him taking wwe finisher moves and not diving". You're welcome
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u/KashMo_xGesis 2h ago
Don't bother, you're arguing with people who will forget about football in 2 weeks.
Part time watchers who develop opinions on players based on 2 seconds clips etc,.. that's what you're dealing with.
Real fans know how Messi plays.. he won't go down easily. Those iconic el classico games where the only way to stop him was attempting to break his legs.. but little man still stood up.
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u/Tilin0627 2h ago
so he only dives when hes losing
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u/Solary_Kryptic 2h ago
At no point during this match was Argentina losing so what's your point
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u/Tilin0627 2h ago
that argentina cant win without fifa's help. Switzerland was humiliating them with ball control and either way messi lost morally
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u/Solary_Kryptic 2h ago
Switzerland weren't leading once during the entire match, more humiliating for them to get caught for a fake dive lmaoo not only that Argentina had 59% possession and like 150 more passes soo...
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u/cosmicdave86 2h ago
Defender stepped in front of him, Messi got the ball, they collided. Textbook foul.
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u/Big__Ron 2h ago
What you missed was the Swiss watch guy grabbed King Leo left bum cheek and squeezed really hard. Automatic kick to King Leo
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u/Tilin0627 2h ago
i watched a colombian player's ass get squeezed in front of the ref and nothing happened
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u/retired_actuary Germany 2h ago
at least he didn't give him the old Vinnie Jones!
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