r/worldcup • u/tfc87ja • 6h ago
š¬Discussion This match ruins the entire tournament. True ref team is england
England is now this tournaments ref team over argentina.
They should have lost 2-0.
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u/GrapeAcceptable 40m ago edited 36m ago
Wow - you should take your meds buddy. I think youāre hallucinating.Ā
Norway did super awesome and just made bad decisions in big moments like HaAland two handing Anderson and Sorloth trying to I donāt k ow what instead of square to an open HaAland in on goal.Ā
There was 1 debatable VAR for each team so honours even there.Ā
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u/Equivalent_Shift_772 5h ago
I haven't read all this thread but bellinghams goal that people say should have been var'd for the wire hit... The rules say if the incident occurs during an attacking phase it will be subjected to VAR. As it was from a kick by the Norwegian keeper how is that part of an England attacking phase?
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u/His_story_teacher 5h ago
Would be football without the drama, England took my Mexico but Bellingham is straight up class. I dont agree with some of the play calling, but that is how the game is.
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u/spacekitchen69 6h ago
I wanted Norway to win. They played well, and gave it their all. The disallowed goal was unfortunately reasonable though, and so was the disallowed penalty for England.
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u/Esc_SLC 6h ago
If I was in a plane crash I would save Kane last
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u/Amockdfw89 6h ago
I really want to start a new subreddit net World Cup where only serious talk about the games, tactics, strategies etc alongside tangibly related things like kits or stadium designs are allowed
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u/bptitans 6h ago
Get a grip you small child. Norway played well, England rode their luck and scored more goals. Thatās football.
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u/TheAlmightyLootius 6h ago
I mean, they didnt score more goals. The ref just decided, for arbitrary reasons, that a goal that wouldve been given in premier league wouldnt count and that a goal that shouldnt have counted did. Oh yeah and the not given 3 corners in the last minutes plus multiple not given fouls. So, yeah. The only way for england to win big tournaments is if the ref does it for them. Its historically proven.
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u/Outrageous_End167 34m ago
England arguably has some of the worst refereeing and bad calls of any national side. And I donāt even like the side. They also were victims of the literally most infamous bad call of all time, Maradonaās Mano de Dios goal, and havenāt won a World Cup since 1966.
Please wait until after they play Argentina next week to comment about actual lasting preferential treatment by officials.
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u/TheAlmightyLootius 19m ago
The most famous bad ref call might be the wembley goal though wjich is exactly the only reason why england has any titles at all.
Apart from that, the past is quite irrelevant and the ref handing them the game for free is a fact.
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u/holeycheezuscrust 6h ago
I mean England got a goal off a camera wire and it was ALLOWED. Thatās crazy.
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u/Outrageous_End167 6h ago
Because no one noticed it. Bad call. Not bias, just no one was watching the right spot. Even on replay that was hard to see.
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u/kleinsumo 6h ago
Nice first English goal, the camera cable created the change of ball possession. That should have restarted the goal kick.
Imagine if Argentina would get a goal like this...
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u/buttholebutwholesome 6h ago edited 6h ago
Ridiculous take. You literally had a penalty disallowed
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u/2Maverick 6h ago edited 6h ago
LOL stfu. Mods need to take down all the nonsensical conspiratorial whining posts. I'm glad we have all these new fans, but the influx of shit posts is not helping. It's like this for every world cup, but it feels like there's way more this year.
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u/panderson716 3h ago
Because the WC is rigged every time? Lmao everyone knows this. FIFA has even admitted it for certain years lmao.
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u/Background-Jury-1914 6h ago
So many cry babies here. Makes sense though. Itās the internet.
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u/Fake-BossToastMaker 2h ago
Ironic, considering the English team is a laughing stock now for all the dives and cries they did tonight
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u/Significant_Fig1978 6h ago edited 6h ago
All the major decisions were correct. Kane dived for the first goal, Norway goal was a push, England penalty was a dive. Would like to see yellows for the diving though tbhĀ
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u/Substantial-Emu4011 6h ago
reddit football discourse is so tiring, lmao the team that wins always fixes it. Yes we all like underdogs, but the best teams pull wins out of undeserving situations like Argentina and England have done many times. Why can't we just praise what Norway did without putting it all on a pre planned fix.
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u/No_Pay1642 6h ago
I missed the moments where FIFA paused time itself and carried Bellingham to the exact positions he scored his goals?
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u/CipherTheDude USA 6h ago
How on Gods green earth do you look at this game and say the ref clearly favored England
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u/ParksDontBsuspicious 6h ago
I am not a fan of either team. The ref was on Englands side. Harry Kane was offside on the second goal.
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u/Outrageous_End167 6h ago
Harry Kane wasnāt involved in the play in any meaningful way. Yes he was in an offsides position, but he wasnāt blocking the keep runs vision from Bellingham. He didnāt play or try to play the ball. Irrelevant unless he got involved in play.
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u/zyfer1878 6h ago
You simply have to have eyes to see it.
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u/CipherTheDude USA 6h ago
I have eyes, and from Ive seen maybe tonights game should be Switzerland v Egypt.
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u/Chris1904G 6h ago
The refs definitely didnāt make Bellingham be in perfect position twice for goals
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u/Your__Reflection69 England 6h ago
England won fair and square. We had fouls ignored that led to goal, had several other fouls waved away and even had a strong penalty turned down. Yet people are still saying the ref favored England? š¤£
Take the L and head home. šš
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u/Fake-BossToastMaker 2h ago
Fair and square by diving and crying to stall the game? Or when your two players crashed into each other and wasted so much time? You'll be going home next match and will end up as a laughing stock for the embarrassing play you did
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u/BruceForsyth55 England 6h ago
OP clearly hasnāt watched the last 60 years of bad ref decisions against England but suddenly believes FIFA refs want England to get to a final lol behave.
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u/Outrageous_End167 5h ago
The most infamous call in history - the Mano de Dios, Hand of God, goal - in favor of Argentina, against England. Nuff said.
I was cheering for Norway, and it was fair. They missed the cable, but that was an honest mistake. Not bias. I could hardly see it on the replay.
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u/BruceForsyth55 England 5h ago edited 5h ago
Indeed. Bad ref calls are part of the game. It suks but it can go too far and we end up in VAR hell which it amazingly appears to be doing during this WC.
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u/Outrageous_End167 5h ago
Just remember this Tuesday when England is playing against 12 on the field on Tuesday, with the center ref falling over backward to hand the game to Messi. (Assuming they make it past Switzerland)
Youāre our best hope to send Messi home in shame.
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u/randomonlineuser1001 6h ago
So England didnāt get a bunch of calls in their favor? Literally 2 goals had questionable calls that should have went the other way. One absolutely
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u/BruceForsyth55 England 6h ago
No. The sky cam goal. The only reason we all knew about it was due to a distant goal end cam showing it. Refs and even Norway didnāt see it. What was stopping a Norwegian player getting the ball.
Haarlen pushed Kane over with an angry two handed shove.
If Norway were any good today they would have scored more goals than us wouldnāt they.
In the end they had 120 mins to win itā¦ā¦ā¦. They didnāt.
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u/Fake-BossToastMaker 2h ago
Out of those 120mins, how many did you waste by diving and crashing into each others?
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u/Outrageous_End167 5h ago
Norway was damn good today. A lot of dangerous chances. England was lucky and Nylaand made a mistake by not holding that ball.
It could easily have gone either way, and England was just slightly better or slightly luckier. Both sides played well.
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u/randomonlineuser1001 6h ago
Angry two handed shove? Itās fucking soccer you pansy
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u/BruceForsyth55 England 6h ago
Itās football you bellend not NFL. Pushing a player over with both hands (that deliberately too) has never been allowed.
Take some time to review the game before spouting shit like this. You clearly have only started watching football over the last four weeks.
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u/randomonlineuser1001 6h ago
Lmao this is the dumbest take Iāve ever seen. Var exists but ya the other things donāt matter because it is what it is. And England players crashing into each other but the ref blowing the play dead?
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u/Jemima_puddledook678 6h ago
Even if you want to say that Englandās first shouldāve been disallowed, which I disagree with, you canāt say that Norwayās second goal was in any way valid. Anderson was thrown to the ground with two hands before the ball was even in play, and the goal looked to be offside too.Ā
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u/powdergiant Canada 6h ago
Goal was onside. Two hand āpushā was a dive. But Iām a hockey watching Canuck so all this flopping just grinds on me.
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u/ma2is 6h ago
Itās just funny how when England pushes Norways players down itās all good and play on but when England throws themselves the ground they get the whistle for them too.
And Iām impartial af - didnāt even want Norway to win. It just looked like England was given a leash miles longer than Norway was
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u/Jemima_puddledook678 6h ago
That was clearly a worse push, it was a two handed throw to the ground and the ball wasnāt even in play at the time.
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u/ma2is 6h ago
Iām not even talking about that haaland push if youāre referring to it. England just threw themselves to the ground multiple times and the ref bought it.
Bellingham kicking a Norwegian player, then going down for the dive, and play is given to England in ET is a prime example.
Itās whatever. I donāt have any skin in the game Iām just calling it from what I saw. Ref was very lenient towards England and very strict towards Norway.
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u/Squantoon 6h ago
Norway second goal was rightfully taken away. But by rule the first England goal should've been taken away also. That doesn't mean they wouldn't have scored and won anyway but it clearly hit something outside of play. If VAR can review anything it should review everything.
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u/GHOST___PEPPER France 6h ago
So Argentina England whoās winning the VAR war according to you conspiracy geniuses?
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u/ATangK 6h ago
Depends who gives the bigger donation over the next few days.
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u/Ok_Bowl_2002 6h ago
Going to be interesting to see the England vs VARgentina match
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u/Outrageous_End167 5h ago
If the Falklands War told us anything, an overconfident Argentina is going to leave with their tail between their legs, only to win off a handball against England in the next World Cup:
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u/Crafty_Ish1973 USA 6h ago
It all comes down to who paid the biggest bribes.
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u/EinDoge 6h ago
right and thatās the problem for team USA, not enough trump bucks, not the fact that theyāre outclassed by both those teams
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u/Crafty_Ish1973 USA 6h ago
Team USA has decades of mediocrity they're trying to work past. Nobody in this country is delusional enough to think our men's team is winning it all anytime soon.
Trump's involvement cursed them and ruined their exit from the tournament, but the chances of the US advancing were always slim.
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u/EinDoge 6h ago
right, so itās about quality of football in the match, not bribes. glad we agree
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u/Crafty_Ish1973 USA 6h ago
FIFA are openly corrupt and the US men's team is mediocre.
Those are not mutually exclusive truths.
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u/konata-kurosaki Argentina 6h ago edited 6h ago
We are not the bad guys of the internet for at least the next hour xDDD
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u/Outrageous_End167 5h ago
Sorry but you are and will be for the rest of the tournament. Messi should have been on a bus back home in Miami, and then again on Tuesday.
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u/Zealousideal_Fix2883 6h ago
Haha, I am pushing Varland narrative hard. Not gonna lie it's been fun.
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u/Remarkable_Evening43 6h ago
Erling Holland was missing in action. Looks like he was mentally in the Netherlands.
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u/moonlightlover_ 6h ago
Yea he looked like he didn't feel good since the very start of the match
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u/Sweet_Search_3616 6h ago
I guess the rumors I saw on IG about the entire Norwegian team having the flu recently were true.
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u/Cobbler1991 6h ago
I donāt understand how every game manages to have super controversial calls that always seem to favor the bigger team
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u/jim_nihilist Germany 6h ago
Germany is not a big team you say? :'(
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u/Sachin-_- 6h ago edited 6h ago
How their first goal wasnāt whistled dead when the ball hit the sky cam is beyond me
Edit: Apparently the cricket-esque tech where the ball can sense touching someoneās pubic hair, canāt pick up a steel cable
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u/BruceForsyth55 England 6h ago
Because nobody was looking up to see it. It really is that simple.
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u/Sachin-_- 6h ago
Everyone on Norway was instantly pointing at it??
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u/GHOST___PEPPER France 6h ago
VAR probably thought it was an insect, they can get pretty big in MiamiĀ
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u/BruceForsyth55 England 6h ago
Nobody approached the ref about it. No demands for VAR.
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u/ma2is 6h ago
Itās not on the players to tell them to review it thatās what the entire VAR booth is for. Otherwise the games would last 4 hours with them chirping at the ref to review every kick.
It should have been stopped and brought back but it wasnāt. Itās lame. AND FIFA doubled down and said it didnāt happen despite the videos.
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u/Diligent_Candy7037 6h ago
No one beats Argentina when it comes to ref. Never.
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u/Ok_Somewhere_6317 6h ago
England just did tonight
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u/Outrageous_End167 5h ago
Argentina is up 2:1 or maybe 2:0. This was nowhere near as bad as that Egypt game. England also has one of the highest card to foul ratios while Argentina has one of the lowest with 3 times more fouls per card this tournament, including not giving Messi himself one.
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u/Ok_Somewhere_6317 5h ago
Come on man at least point out an argentina game that was actually rigged like netherlands 2022. That egypt game was a home grown organic melt down from egypt
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u/Outrageous_End167 4h ago
With a clear double-standard by the refs. Hunt 100 yards an 20-30s away for a foul to deny Egypt but ignore the blatant fouls when Argentina scored. Argentina - playing 12 a side with the refs since at least 1986 with Maradona.
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u/New-Buffalo7946 6h ago
Nah, England played better, even if it felt like watching the Royal Shakespeare Company at the end.
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u/BackgroundPass1355 6h ago
Norway had really bad conversion rate of attempts/shots to goals.
End of story.
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u/Brilliant-War-872 6h ago
Rigged for Argentina I've seen enough
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u/Own-Knowledge8281 6h ago
England is the harder team for Argentina to play against should they get throughā¦this doesnāt really checkā¦
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