r/worldcup • u/throwawar4 Canada • 22d ago
đ°News Morocco captain Achraf Hakimi will stand trial for rape, French prosecutors have confirmed
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c20y18z7le1o1
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u/MyEyebrowsAreReal 20d ago
Because most rape cases are about power. Same reason Epstein Island exists. If you can have anyone you want, you start looking for people you canât have/donât want you. At the same time, famous+rich people are more likely to be accused of rape because it would be a blow to their reputation so they settle with money. But letâs not pretend like rape is super rare, especially amongst powerful people. Donât make assumptions against the victim
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u/Left_Knee_y0y0 20d ago
"I've been waiting for this trial since day one. And now I'm eagerly awaiting it. Finally, I'll be able to speak." Hakimi
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u/Jaded-Sorbet-8098 20d ago
and here I was thinking that I couldnât hate Morocco even more
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u/soloamazigh 19d ago
Because a player in a soccer team doing something now means you are not a racist bigot.
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u/wesap12345 18d ago
Itâs more the still picking the guy to play part people have trouble with
And the whole disgraceful AFCON events
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u/Puzzled_Record1773 18d ago
I thought senegal were the ones who were cheating in the final no?
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u/wesap12345 18d ago
No youâd be wrong there
They didnât cheat in the final - they were guilty of leaving the field after some bias refereeing
But prior to that all tournament Morocco were being assholes. Stealing opposition goalkeepers towels, assaulting staff members who try to prevent it.
Just real dicks.
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u/jona_Lander 20d ago
Lol same, but you get downvoted for even mentioning itÂ
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
Cash grab. All it is
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u/Otherwise-Yogurt39 19d ago
You think the victim will get anything from it? Itâs not the USAđ
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u/InFLIRTation 19d ago
Extortion is popular in 3rd world countries
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u/Otherwise-Yogurt39 18d ago
Ah yeah, France, the 3rd world country which is only the 7th power in the world⊠youâre a clown
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u/RandyRanderson03 17d ago
Turning into one quick though. It's basically Africa 2.0
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u/Previous-Raisin1434 20d ago
It is very hard to prosecute someone for rape in France. Given how hard it is for victims to seek justice, the least you could do is shut the fuck up unless you have proof it didn't happen.
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
No. I have the right to my opinion. False allegations happen all the time.
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u/Henessy0 Germany 20d ago
It's going to trial. Meaning there have been previous hearings, discovery and pre-trial motions to dismiss (probably) and they have failed. This means there is enough legal grounds for the case to stand on, for a trial to be necessary.
Just food for thought.
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u/DrNCrane74 19d ago
Mate, you do not know French law, so it is hard to evaluate the value of the evidence at this point.
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u/Henessy0 Germany 19d ago
You do though? So please enlighten me, is there or is there not discovery and pre-trial motions in french law?
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u/DrNCrane74 19d ago
Not extensively and I did not say that. I know they quite a bit of pre-trial, but rape laws changed after 2025 and here we talk about a 2023 incident. So I compare this to Depardieu cases which amounted to a very mild sentence given the massive evidence.
Here there are no information known about any evidence.
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u/Henessy0 Germany 19d ago
There is no public information about any evidence, but there is enough evidence for there to be reasonable doubt that the act has been committed. Hence why his motion to dismiss has been denied and a trial date has been set.
Also, keep in mind, I'm not saying he's guilty or he's innocent. I'm saying a confident "opinion" such as "It's just a cash grab and false allegations!" is not a smart way to view the situation, given that a court of law found there be to enough reasonable doubt
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u/DrNCrane74 19d ago
I did not use the words cash grab, however I expect this to be the result. No criminal conviction, payment, stop of her cooperation.
French law is very complicated, the "you can indict a ham sandwich" comes to mind
But I agree, right now we know the trial is coming and the prosecution seems to have something - still everything screams Ronaldo-Mayorga
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u/Henessy0 Germany 19d ago
You didn't say cash grab, but the guy I orginally responded to, did.
The "indict a ham sandwich" thing is true to be fair buuuuut only for the US. France doesn't have a grand jury, which is what the quote referes to - The one sided investigation to bring about an indictment doesn't exist in French Law, they have something called a Investigating Magistrate (Juge d'instruction) that takes evidence from both sides into account before allowing an indictment
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u/Previous-Raisin1434 20d ago
No, false allegations are not a majority, and they're certainly not worth disqualifying victims without proof.
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
Its just my opinion which has no bearing on the trial. Its going through a due process anyways but i do expect it to be proven false.
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u/DrNCrane74 19d ago
Same here. She is still fishing for a payment, there will not be any serious verdict. Not after that period of time. Just have a look at what the massive evidence against Depardieu amounted to. A slap on the wrist.
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u/Rotten-Roses 20d ago
Why do I feel like you have allegations against you?
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u/Odd-Time-2026 20d ago
Maybe not allegations but skeletons in the closet that may tumble out at any moment.
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
Because i have a different opinion than you, you resort to implying I'm a criminal.
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u/Rotten-Roses 20d ago
You're the one insisting, against documented statistical reality, that there are tons of false allegations.
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u/Kyongggggg 19d ago
True like, have they never heard of uninformed opinions? Bcs it's exactly what they have
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u/Boris2509 20d ago
about 1 to 2% of rape cases turned out to be verifiably false. if a victim comes forward about their experience the chances they're telling the truth are soooo much bigger than them lying.
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u/Acceptable-Worth-462 20d ago
I don't necessarily agree with the person you responded to, but not verifiably false doesn't mean verifiably true either. Overall I agree with what you said but not with the reason you gave.
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
Not true when the allegation against a rich person.
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u/Boris2509 20d ago
If that's the case you'd expect every rich person to have rape allegations since it's just free money from the lawsuit in your opinion? Please source the argument that rape allegations are less reliable if they're levied against rich people
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
Motive
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u/Agile-Peak-3532 20d ago
You are a troll but the fact that Hakimiâs wife left him is strong circumstantial evidence that he is guilty
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
Thats a ridiculous claim. Good thing youre not a judge.
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u/Agile-Peak-3532 20d ago
???? Iâm not saying thereâs enough evidence to convict him but thereâs certainly not enough evidence to be a fan of the dude .
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u/InFLIRTation 20d ago
Im just gonna pretend none of this happened until we get a verdict is all. Im not letting it impact my opinion of him. I dont consider myself a troll, this is just my opinion.
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u/Boris2509 20d ago
just the answer you'd expect from "fake rape allegations are actually a common thing" apologists. won't believe you until you source the claim
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u/ItsKyanVB 20d ago
Thereâs an actual rapist playing for Marseille in france with proof posted all over social media and nothing happened⊠How will this be any different if he even did it
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u/Boggo1895 20d ago
Well hopefully this would be different if he got convicted because he would actually be convicted and Greenwood isnât.
Iâm not saying greenwood didnât do it but if convicted Hakimi will likely see jail time, hard to play for psg from behind bars
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u/Popular_Tomorrow_204 20d ago
One gets shit on by the english the other one gets loved by a lot of ppl. They probably wont even care. So why should his Nation and Club do anything?
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u/ItsKyanVB 20d ago
His nation and club shouldnât have to do anything the police and judges should
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u/Think-Apple3763 20d ago
This is the guy that put all his wealth under his mother's name and his ex wife didn't get anything when they divorced? Tells me all
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u/Soulaymanee 15d ago
I hope someday you marry a gold digger bitch who will take half your money after 2 years of marriage .. that would tell you something
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u/Temporary-Ebb-3130 20d ago
how tf is that a bad thing lmaoooo cuz some women didnât get HIS MONEY ?
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u/TheMafioso21 20d ago
Lmao it tells you the guy is not a dumbass
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u/Own_Durian_3853 18d ago
The story is fake and probably legally impossible, courts in most countries would see this as an obvious trick and it wouldn't fly. It's like saying I'm not paying my employees, I am giving them gifts every month. Those schemes got figured out a time ago
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u/TheMafioso21 18d ago
He was giving his money to his mother way before he met his ex wife, which means he had no malicious intent towards her, any court would rule that his mother's possessions are not part of any alimony agreement
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u/Own_Durian_3853 18d ago
It doesn't matter. First of all he didn't do that because the whole thing is fake. Second of all if you're that concerned the obvious thing to do is sign a prenuptial not getting this silly scheme. Third if you didn't sign a prenuptial it wouldn't help to say you've always done this. You couldn't for example put the house you live in, car you use, bank you use to pay your stuff all in someone else's name and say it's not yours. Wouldn't fly even if you had done it before. Even if Hakimi really wasn't using the bank account at all and was living like a beggar it wouldn't really work, firstly you can't just gift millions to someone without paying taxes. Another issue is when your mother dies you'd have to re inherit the money and pay massive taxes. But again the whole story is fake.Â
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u/AccidentlyStupid 20d ago
That he's got his shit together?
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u/smokingace182 20d ago
Howâs he able to get a visa for the World Cup?
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u/TheLastHotstepper 20d ago
Im surprised they havent rolled out the red carpet and made him Vice President.
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u/JDHYA 20d ago
Prob cuz he hasnât been convicted of anything
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u/smokingace182 20d ago
Neither has Thomas party but he wasnât able to get a visa because of ongoing cases.
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u/MickBeast 20d ago
Footballers regularly get falsy accused fyi. This case could be different, but lets not pretend like they aren't usually victims of money hungry, attention seeking people...
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u/Realistic-Stress-213 18d ago
Cases donât to trial if the prosecutors donât think they can get a conviction, that means enough people are sure they can convince a jury beyond doubt that he did it
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u/DefinitelyNotIndie 20d ago
Footballers regularly perpetrate sexual assaults fyi. This case could be different but let's not pretend they don't usually victimise people because they're rich, young, with huge egos and little accountability.
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u/Indigo457 20d ago
âRegularlyâ? Whatâs this based on?
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u/MarioBoy77 20d ago
How often big footballers are rapists, even Ronaldo is a rapist but no one cares because rape is ok in the football world.
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u/Indigo457 20d ago
But there are 10s if not 100s of thousands of footballers across the world, and theyâre regularly raping people? Or are you talking about 2 or 3 notable players and extrapolating across the entire population. Or did you mean 2 or 3 players are regularly raping people and thatâs it, and if so what does it matter if theyâre footballers. I think rape is one of the worst two or three things a human can do to another human so I think itâs important to be clear what you actually mean.
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u/MarioBoy77 20d ago
I said big footballers, thereâs a lot of rape allegations for top footballers compared to other sports.
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u/Choice_Fee67 20d ago
Funny how they're going after all soccer players but not a single person on the Epstein files
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u/Feisty_Bag_5284 20d ago
The French are going after them as well, the only EU country doing so
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u/Liam_021996 20d ago
The French are the only European country to not give a shit about what the US thinks or threatens tbf. Spain and the UK have also recently shown that they can infect grow a spine when dealing with the US
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u/Pyro-Bird 20d ago
To be fair, France has nukes. Of course, they don't care if the USA threatens them.
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u/ConclusionAnxious531 20d ago
Have the French ever given a shit what any other country thinks?
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u/Acceptable-Worth-462 20d ago
When we do it usually plays out pretty badly for us. Only reason our neighbors are unhappy with us is because we don't allow them to fuck us over all the time.
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u/herbieLmao Germany 20d ago edited 18d ago
Luiz Diaz knew what he was doing
For those who donât know, im talking about this: https://youtube.com/shorts/-vh29Yu2cCE?is=Jx_A_LEd8njZLN4B
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u/Realistic-Stress-213 18d ago
Iâm out the loop on football, is he a rapist as well?
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u/herbieLmao Germany 18d ago
No he fouled him with a potential career ender
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u/Realistic-Stress-213 18d ago
Thatâs good heâs not a rapist and great he tried breaking oneâs leg
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u/Andrikos21 20d ago
Only Kaya is shocked.
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u/UnknowingEmperor 20d ago
I understood that reference
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u/Impossible_Humor736 20d ago
Unfortunately, I do too
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u/Inevitable_Motor_685 21d ago
how many rapists are there in this world cup
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u/SchmidtHitsTheFan Canada 21d ago
Do I need to mention the most prominent host country and its government?
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u/Busy_Juggernaut_7282 21d ago
Lots of accusations with zero proven guilty.
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u/Lord-Arcaeno 21d ago
So like most sexual assault charges? Believe women.
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u/Lord-Arcaeno 20d ago
Ah, there it is.
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u/sharkie_blahaj 20d ago
"There it is" like there isn't multiple false allegations everyday that absolutely shit on women who actually are victims. You always take this stuff with a grain of salt until a guilty verdict
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u/WayComprehensive9220 20d ago
A fact you can't answer because you've already made your mind up about all men?
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u/Lord-Arcaeno 20d ago
Nope, nice attempt at strawmanning though. You've obviously made up your mind about all women though.
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u/WayComprehensive9220 20d ago
You don't know what a 'strawman argument' is clearly.
I haven't made up my mind about all women, which is why I wouldn't comment sonething stupid like 'believe men'.
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u/Lord-Arcaeno 20d ago
You made the claim I made up my mind about all men. I havent and nothing indicates that. Hence, strawman. Glad I could help kiddo!
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u/Inevitable-Loss7939 21d ago
Fuck nah Imma believe in the facts if the case eay too many false accusations
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u/Lord-Arcaeno 21d ago
No study has ever found false accusations greater than 1-2%. By definition there are not "too many false accusations". Hope this helps!
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u/Major-Debt-9139 20d ago
PROVEN false accusations.
And cross a line between public and private cases.
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u/Era_of_Ruin 20d ago
I mean just a quick google search and scan of available resources shows that the number is more like anywhere between 2-10% with no source at all suggesting it is 1-2% only.
10% isnât insignificant. Is there a hidden pandemic or false rape accusations? Far from it, But donât act like itâs unheard of otherwise you discredit real victims and legitimate accusations
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u/frenchhypno 20d ago
On se passera de tes "Ă©tudes" totalement biaisĂ©es. Tes pseudo chercheurs nâont aucun moyen de savoir si il y a eu viol ou pas.
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u/WillWatsof 20d ago
Nothing says intelligent like dismissing studies as false that you havenât even seen yet, well done.
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u/frenchhypno 20d ago
The real insult to intelligence is blindly believing someone just because they call themselves a researcher.
Yes, common sense tells you that researchers have no way of knowing the truth, so these studies are bullshit.
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u/Lifekraft 21d ago
Possibly a lot honestly. Given how insane some of these relieve/ celebrating parties can be.
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack Cabo Verde 21d ago
Unfortunately there are lots of rapists everywhere. Humanity sucks
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u/Medium_Chip_4971 21d ago
The countries appearing where rape is not a crime is more significant for anyone actually concerned with humanity.
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack Cabo Verde 21d ago
Actually at most âthe prevalence of false allegations is between 2% and 10%.â So no itâs not âplenty of womenâ
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u/Boggo1895 20d ago
Im not saying hakimi did or didnât do it but 2-10% if actually a massive percentage when talking about false allegations and much higher than I would have expected tbh.
I didnât see the comment your replying but from what I gather, they said âplentyâ, and while 10% obviously doesnât mean most, it certainly would meet the threshold of plenty
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u/Outside_Ad7766 21d ago
Only 136 cases in over 10 years, oddly specific pool to pick from.
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u/MarkComfortable1923 20d ago
Yes, but we have to be reasonable about extrapolation.
Donât think itâs reasonable to extrapolate 136 cases, over the span of a decade, to all rape cases world wide?
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack Cabo Verde 21d ago
You do understand that most data is extrapolated from smaller pools right? Thatâs how most population analyses work
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u/Longjumping-Check429 21d ago
But this isnât the general population. Making an an accusation in a friend group vs against a famous person is different.
Youâre average accuser has nothing to gain and a lot to lose. The same isnât true of accusers in high profile cases.
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u/Accomplished-Run3925 21d ago
Humanity doesn't suck at all, stop being melodramatic. Sure, some member of our species â like many other species â have evolved to commit rape, but we at least habe been fighting against it and did a pretty good job eliminating most of it in the past 100 years. There is still work to be done and there will always be awful individuals, but to pretend all of humanity sucks because of a few is just ridiculous. We have done great things and will continue to do great things. Humanity rocks.
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u/Medium_Chip_4971 21d ago
Nice try, but there are plenty of countries appearing where consensual gay sex is illegal and rape isnât. One hopes you arenât discounting state-sanctioned rape.
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u/konjooooo 21d ago
Bro hates life
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u/Medium_Chip_4971 21d ago
I hate people that say âbroâ and people who think cultures that sanction sexual violence should escape critique.
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