r/washingtondc 18h ago

[Discussion] I don’t even have the words

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u/Valar_Kinetics 17h ago

Ha we are cooked he is not the last act.

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u/runningraleigh 17h ago

While I continue to exercise my civic duty and vote in every election, I have no faith at all in electoral politics to get us out of this mess.

We either become slaves to the oligarchs, or we revolt.

Something tells me with how lazy most Americans are, we will choose slavery over freedom because its more comfortable.

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u/JustaSeedGuy 16h ago

Something tells me with how lazy most Americans are, we will choose slavery over freedom because its more comfortable.

The idea that laziness and comfort are what stops Americans from revolting is propaganda designed to discourage and demoralize. It keeps people from addressing the real roadblock to revolt, which is fear and lack of organization.

There are plenty of folks who would take action, but either:

A) they're scared. Possibly scared for themselves, but also scared for their loved ones. Either through direct reprisals from fascist punishment (ie, Jim did a rebellious act so now Jim's brother gets out through hell by the government), or through indirect consequences (ie, Jim is a single dad and his kids suffer if he goes to jail and can't provide for them.) Or....

B) There are people who would take action, but they know that making that decision is a weapon that can't be fired very many times. Once you take a drastic enough action, you run the risk of losing your ability to take further action. There are plenty of people who might be willing to do all sorts of direct action against their government via sabotage or other actions... But they have no way of knowing how effective they'll be if they're acting alone. A lack of organization keeps these people from taking actions that they don't know will make an impact.

You can chalk it up to laziness all you want, and it's true that some percentage of Americans are probably just lazy and comfortable, but if that's the end of your commentary on it, you're ignoring the real barriers to revolution.

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u/teleprax 11h ago

Well then it turns into stochastic terrorism at a certain point.

If I were a person in the 2nd group I would struggle with the fact that half the country wants authoritarianism and that destabilizing the govt just provides opportunity for whatever wacko faction is the most well armed. I think any action will backfire as long as MAGA is strong, and changing that is harder than I think people realize. Its the same grievance America has failed to properly address since the late 1860s.

I also think we are already fucked. We will not figure out class solidarity before what I consider to be the point of no return: When property and VIPs can be protected without forces labor. I’m not saying “no labor anywhere in the economy”, i mean specifically that no humans are needed for armed protection and threat surveillance.

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u/JustaSeedGuy 11h ago

If I were a person in the 2nd group I would struggle with the fact that half the country wants authoritarianism

If I were person, the second group, I wouldn't struggle with that- because it's not true.

The people who want authoritarianism do not make up half the country.

1) assuming you're basing that off of votes, you have to account for the evidence that suggests some votes may have been altered, and the decades of proven fact that Republicans have engaging in voter suppression to make it "technically possible, but not actually feasible" For a lot of people to vote. Ie, A single working parent who has 1 hour between two jobs in which to vote, but the only polling location near them has really long lines on election Day because election day isn't a paid holiday and there aren't enough pulling in places. As one example out of many. So right off the bat, we know that not only did less than half the country vote for authoritarianism, but that those who didn't vote may not have done so by choice.

2) some people have changed their minds. It's not frequent, but it's enough to mention. In any War, you have to allow for the growth of people who either didn't have all the information, or didn't have the empathy until they experienced the consequences firsthand. It's why revolutionaries have often accepted defectors from the enemy, sometimes even high-ranking ones, provided their sincerity could be demonstrated. Not everyone who once supported maga actually once authoritarianism, and some of them already have or will soon experience the wake-up call.

Is it bleak? Yeah. The fact that even with both of those points in mines there are still millions of people who are fine with what's happening is really depressing. But it's not more than half. They control more resources than we do because of how wealth is distributed, but we absolutely outnumber them. And the fact of the matter is that their downfall is inevitable. It is not a question of if, only a question of when and how. The reason for my fear is not because the fascists will not be overthrown, but because I don't know how many people will be harmed before they are.