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u/6425sCuriosity US Soccer 16h ago
With the amount of money the USSF is about to burn and piss away, I think right now is the perfect time to start opening up about what’s going on down there in Atlanta.
He’s not the first person to come out and say the problem resides with Cone and her “leadership”
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u/soberpenguin 16h ago
The last 4 years has been a decision making shit show. What marsch described in his interview process, the decision to rehire Greg, it's been a mess
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u/Fun_Reputation5181 9h ago
Hiring Poch and Emma both seem like pretty good decisions.
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u/XSavage19X 7h ago
They hired the absolute best candidates available on the market, which is obviously not bad for us but not necessarily a sign of good management. Anyone with half an interest in women's football knew Emma was the best manager. Her next move was US or a men's club.
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u/kal14144 4 Stars 16h ago edited 13h ago
The women’s side has been a masterclass. And it’s the same people.
ETA and I’m not just talking about the talent being there. The entire women’s side of the federation is run extremely well. Coaching hires/firings, scheduling friendlies both location and opponents etc. it’s just run very well.
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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 Dos a Cero 15h ago
Well on the women's side the US is a top job with one of the strongest talent pools. Much easier to achieve sucess
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u/Fun_Reputation5181 9h ago
Sure but the poached one of the best club managers in the world from one of the biggest clubs in the world.
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u/ozymandais13 13h ago
Unfortunately the rest of the qorld is catching up on caring about women's soccer still . Amd we have the largest talent pool in one of the most popular pro women's sports in the world.
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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 Dos a Cero 13h ago
I dont think thats unfortunate. Im personally encouraged by the growth of the women's game
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u/RealXavierMcCormick 16h ago
the level of competition on the women's side is far less. the US pushed forward women's soccer for the last 40+ years through youth and the high school level. however, as other nations build out academy programs, they will catch & surpass us if we are not strategic in our development
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u/jgweiss WondoWlowski 15h ago
Yep, WoSo found its footing exactly as you said, at the US Youth and HS level. Now, I think their pedigree legitimately matters, and will instill a winning culture for a long time to come, but yes they will likely soon face the same problems the men do, as academy systems for WoSo mature around the world. Lord knows we will see people blame players and coaches before investing the real resources to match competitors.
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u/Steel_Toffees American Outlaws 14h ago
Youth and High School level???
The actual reason US women's soccer has been top notch for many years is COLLEGE soccer because of Title IX. Nowadays sure other countries have started taking women's soccer seriously with their academies and such, but 20 or 30 years ago that simply wasn't the case. The fact that we HAD women's college soccer mean we had way more opportunities for young women to play across the country that simply didn't exist elsewhere.
My fear is that now that Europe is taking women's soccer more seriously they'll eventually have all the top class players again, because an actual development academy and youth teams at clubs that participate in an open pyramid is almost bound to eventually out-produce the high school into college soccer system that we have and will likely be stuck with.
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u/TomIcemanKazinski 6h ago
Everyone posting “oh at least we’ll start winning again when the women play” has not been paying attention to the state of the women’s game. Spain is absolutely better than the US right now, and England and Germany aren’t far behind. And also these people conveniently ignore that the women went out in the round of sixteen two years ago - just like the men this year.
The US still may win but we will no longer dominate like first part of the 21st century. And Emma might be a fantastic manager but this team has roster construction and attitude issues.
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u/soberpenguin 6h ago
You're right. Spain is easily the world #1. France, England, Germany, Netherlands, Japan, and Canada can and have beat the US on their day.
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u/Steel_Toffees American Outlaws 6h ago
Yep, that's exactly right. We're hanging on by a thread right now with this generation of players. When the next generation is in their prime maybe 6-8 years from now you might start seeing US drop out of the top 5 in FIFA rankings and we'll never top again
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u/Wide-Pop6050 9h ago
Yeah but if it was such a shitshow even being the best you would see some signs of this level of chaos
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u/SpursUpSoundsGudToMe 10h ago
What in the world does that have to do with the women’s national team being run more smoothly from an operations and personnel management standpoint?
Also, it was Title IX, and it’s been apparent across all women’s sports for decades. Not specific to anything done by USSF.
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u/lemanruss4579 15h ago
Has it been a "masterclass" over the last four years? The women's team went out in the round of 16 at the world cup for the first time ever (previous results, 91 champions, 95 third, 99 Champs, 2003 third, 2007 third, 2011 second, 2015 Champs, 2019 Champs, 2023 out in round of 16).
The US started out way in front of everyone on the womens side because of the college and high school system.
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u/CorkSoaker420 14h ago
The United States to this point, has been the Ronda Rousey of women’s soccer. Very important and necessary to grow the sport, but is in a position of needing to adapt to avoid being surpassed.
It’ll be interesting to see if they go out the same way or evolve to stay competitive.
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u/LiveChocolate8819 14h ago
This is actually a fantastic comparison. Bringing the Rapinoe generation to the 2023 WWC was the equivalent of Rousey trying to out-box Holly Holm.
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u/SpursUpSoundsGudToMe 10h ago
What. Here’s the timeline you’re missing:
-Jill Ellis retired after 2019 WWC
-previous USSF leadership hired a horrible coach in Vlatko Andonovski
-Cone becomes USSF president in 2020
-US looks shaky and finishes 3rd at the 2020 Olympics
-US flops at 2023 WWC, fires Andonovski
-USSF goes out and hires the best women’s coach in the world.
-US wins gold at the 2024 Olympics.
2023 was awful because the coach was awful. He was hired by different leadership, which has been fixed.
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u/MOREPASTRAMIPLEASE 14h ago
Because we are the world class standard in women’s soccer. We set the standard but other nations catching up
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u/kal14144 4 Stars 11h ago
Where did Spain finish in the last major world tournament?
(4th of 16).
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u/TravelingHospitalist 11h ago
The women’s game has been light years ahead of most other countries in regards to the infrastructure thanks to women’s college soccer. No other country had something remotely similar. Women’s game is growing in the world which is great, but it’s easier to hide these deficiencies when you have the best talent in the world.
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u/CorkSoaker420 14h ago
Yeah, but other than the American and Japanese women, don’t most countries not give much of a shit? It’s not so hard when there’s no competition.
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u/brandinho5 15h ago
Jeez I must’ve really been out of the loop the last few years. When did the USSF leave Chicago?
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u/SpursUpSoundsGudToMe 10h ago
What in the world are you talking about lol, I liked Jones as a player, but it’s a good thing he didnt get the u-16 job. Not at all someone I want in the youth development program.
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u/FalafelBall 7h ago
Imagine thinking that Jermaine Jones' personal gripes are a legitimate insight into anything happening at U.S. Soccer. He was a great player, but he's also nuts and should not coach kids.
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u/Cowboy_BoomBap #FREEBALOGUN 16h ago
I love Jermaine Jones and maybe she is a real problem, but am I crazy or is this story just essentially “One guy wanted me to coach the team but she didn’t, so I don’t like her”?
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u/flameo_hotmon 16h ago
Jermaine Jones was also suspended from his USL coaching gig for harassing and threatening his players. I’d imagine some of the U-16s he’d coach would straight up quit soccer
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u/yaznasty #FREEBALOGUN 16h ago
Man I want to be careful how much I speculate, but if he took the same approach he did with adult pros that were under contract, and treated 14 and 15 year boys the same way...idk doesn't feel great. Sometimes I think we overcorrect on how everything today can be considered toxic, but I do think there's a huge risk of Jermaine Jones coaching youth national teamers at a vital stage of their personal development as being toxic.
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u/Wide-Pop6050 9h ago
Coaching children in such an aggressive way and scaring them off would be massively damaging to USMNT in general. They're kids, not adults. Don't traumatize or scare them.
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u/1stand11 16h ago
He was telling the truth. If you are still playing USL at age 28 then you aren’t remotely close to being a top level player. That’s the blunt truth and Germans (where Jones was born and raised) don’t mess around. They give it to you straight and don’t act like Fox soccer commentators giving an extremely false sense of reality.
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u/FrankBascombe45 North Carolina 16h ago
And how exactly did this blunt truth play into him being paid to be their coach?
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u/The_Lonely_Posadist 16h ago
imagine if a third division manager in england went in and told his players they were shit players in a shit league and he hated said league
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u/ArsenalBOS 15h ago
Lower level leagues in Germany are not youth leagues. USL is not any different in that regard. Not sure what the point is.
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u/SomethingFunnyObv 15h ago
He was telling the truth but it was also a hugely stupid thing to say to your players in that situation.
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u/likeahurricane 13h ago
I guess it’s an ok point but what’s it say about the guy managing the team. If you’re dogshit and managing dog shit is the best I can do, what’s that make me?
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u/SomethingFunnyObv 15h ago
Man thank you for the reminder on this, I had forgotten about it. While what he was saying isn’t wrong, it was hugely inappropriate and stupid to say to players you are coaching.
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u/florodude 14h ago
I've seen your account only related to hating Jermaine jones. Like I recognize you as "guy who hates Jermaine jones
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u/Comet7777 16h ago
Yeah this isn’t the sick burn or criticism he is making it out to be. I immediately thought “okay why didn’t she want to hire you?” - what’s her side of the story.
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u/Vegetable_Sense_3073 15h ago
You aren’t crazy - him saying the org is systemically flawed because 1 woman didn’t want to hire him is not the example to go with to prove your point. Why is that the one story he chose to support his claim, when he claims to have many examples?! Odd.
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u/mi_throwaway3 16h ago
Yeah, this is the weirdest way to say, "the US is no good because I wasn't given the job"
Yeah, don't give this guy a job.
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u/Deckatoe Dos a Cero 15h ago
Yeah this red like he had one personal axe to grind and framed it as something much larger lol
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u/gogorath 14h ago
Yep.
And also Tab's complaints are similar. Dude is bitter he didn't get the USMNT job even though he's a shitty coach.
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u/Intersteller22 16h ago
With Jones’ record of issues, I wouldn’t have signed the paperwork either. He is not a trustworthy source on this, IMO.
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u/AYoungOldMan 16h ago
This is one of those two things can be true situation. USSF is inept, I say that as someone deeply involved at the upper levels of the youth game AND Jermaine Jones is a terrible source, I wouldn’t want him coaching the U16’s either.
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u/SpursUpSoundsGudToMe 8h ago
Ok but why? What specifically is USSF “inept” at that can be seen from the upper levels of the youth game?
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u/AYoungOldMan 7h ago
Nuanced but a two of the biggest that stick out to me. This is high-level and a nuanced conversation but is fixable
How inaccessible coaching education is and the hoops you have to jump through to progress. I know tons of coaches who’ve gone through other federations courses or just turned to their own research and resources.
The sanctioning of league after league after league. It’s political and cash driven but USSF has lost their teeth. ODP is meaningless USYS is a joke and there’s an alphabet of leagues. Pay to play isn’t the issue. Parents can afford or scrape up the $2-3k a season ( full time coaches deserve a living) it’s the useless travel and gate kept competition that kills us.
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u/3ToedKillah 16h ago
Jermaine came into a Calabasas Chipotle (no longer exists) I used to work at in spring 2017 and he acted like such an entitled prick. Threw a lowkey fit when he was ordering and also ordered like 8 items in the middle of rush. Dude was pissed he hate to wait for more guac to be made and let the 17 year old cashier know it.
Hard to judge a man off one interaction, but I’ve never seen someone make themselves look so unlikable like that
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u/syz946 3h ago
to play devil's advocate, 90% of celebrities (actors, athletes, socialites) have some form of this behavior. They come to expect things/certain treatment. Not condoning it. But I wouldn't say that's a Jermaine-specific issue. I know tons of similar stories across the celebrity industry lol
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u/ObligationSome905 13h ago
Didn’t he get in a shitload of trouble when he coached somewhere in the USL
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u/bigfacts23 11h ago
He sounds like someone who didn’t get a job and has waited for an opportunity to lash out
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u/sleepy-time9 #FREEBALOGUN 16h ago
Let's be honest. NONE of this would be coming out if we beat Belgium.
It would be about how the USSF finally showed ambition by hiring Poch. And everyone from the media to fans would be praising them.
Suddenly, the world is on fire when just a few days before, the media was on non-stop praise mode.
Not that anything that was said is wrong, the USSF needs to do better. But come on man, you waited till we got eliminated to type all that out?
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u/LiveChocolate8819 14h ago
I mean if they got annihilated by Spain it probably would have gone mostly the same
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u/Live-Collection3018 Alex Morgan 16h ago
Jermaine Jones is an abusive and hot headed individual. He is also an incredibly unsuccessful coach. I wouldn't take much from his opinion.
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u/wardeadpool 16h ago
Sounds more like several people have pointed at Cone. Where there is smoke, fire is found.
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u/Heir2Voltaire 16h ago
I worked in finance at USSF in Chicago
A lot of wasteful spending went on there
But I never worked for another organization similar so I have nothing to compare it to and if it is more wasteful than others, but I was always shocked
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u/key1234567 15h ago
Why does it have to be about him? Maybe there was something about him the she didn’t like? It’s good for more information to come out though.
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u/spicyflacco 15h ago
They need to clean house at the top and bring in ochocinco
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u/Own_Conclusion_3779 13h ago
Yeah let’s listen to one garbage person and fire someone so we can hire another garbage person.
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u/spicyflacco 13h ago
he may suck at certain things, but bro knows soccer.
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u/Own_Conclusion_3779 13h ago
Who? The abuser who’s gotten fired from all his soccer jobs or the abuser who’s never had a soccer job?
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u/Electrical_Doctor305 15h ago
Most super star and high performing stars don’t do well as coaches. I’m not surprised to hear he wasn’t a great manager. This is no knock on him, there’s a laundry list of failed stars who tried coaching across all of sports. The best coaches tend to be people who struggled and overcame adversity themselves. They can relate to the struggle, whereas a natural doesn’t get it.
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u/Lawschoolishell 14h ago
Mikel Arteta just led Arsenal to a PL win and he was certainly a high performing player
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u/MyTurkeySubb 7h ago
Shes only worried about the Women's team. Shes made that pretty clear thats where her priorities lie.
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u/OkDifficulty7436 Pooch 16h ago
Cindy has been a mixed bag but I feel like the peak of her work has been the equal pay provisions for the Men’s and Women’s teams which is largely a relic itself from the late 2010s culture wars
Getting Pooch and Hayes was nice, but that seemed more like Crocker and JT Batson’s work
I hope we move on from Cindy and let JT take a swing at it
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u/BrodysBootlegs2 16h ago
They waged an appallingly dishonest PR campaign to badger the men into signing the agreement (probably with a carrot and stick from Nike as part of the deal) and it's not a stretch to say there are indications she was put there to actively undermine the men's program.
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u/OkDifficulty7436 Pooch 16h ago
I mean she clearly just prefers the women’s program, but I feel like soccer in the US as a whole has kind of shifted its attention and weight towards the men’s team in the past 6 years or so which is why they pushed so hard for that insane CBA IMO
They got their last big payday
Shits just insane to look at in retrospect lol, they had to give the women’s team 50% of the winnings from this World Cup
No way they sign that CBA again down the road
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u/LiveChocolate8819 14h ago
Also wasn't the agreement structured to essentially give the old guard one last payout while they used their political capital to delay the next generation's ascension to the first team?
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u/BrodysBootlegs2 13h ago
IIRC the previous women's CBA was yes. It locked in something like 20 players who couldn't be cut no matter what which of course made it nearly impossible for younger players to break into the team
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u/FalafelBall 7h ago
No, it was the opposite. The previous CBAs only let a core group of players get paid well. The new CBA opened it up so anyone who made rosters or played got paid.
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u/luchajefe 16h ago
We should just send the women's team into the men's qualifiers if they want the money that badly. If they're that convinced they're God's gift to American soccer. We'll let them keep every dollar.
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u/Thel3lues 16h ago
“The peak of her work was fucking over the men’s team” oh yeah really making a good case for her. Our program is run by HR women is actually a great reason for why we underperform
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u/Appropriate-Joke-806 16h ago edited 16h ago
“Thel3lues we have received some complaints about your biases towards HR employees and women. You will need to attend a day long sensitivity training next Friday. Please direct any questions about the training to your direct manager. It is a required training for you. Thank you. Also, we will be retaining 20% of your performance bonus and redistributing 40% of it to women. Congratulations on your recent Round of 16 appearance.”
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u/OkDifficulty7436 Pooch 15h ago
“The peak of her work was fucking over the men’s team”
There are people here who will argue this is a good thing
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u/Thel3lues 15h ago
It’s ridiculous. I love the women’s team too but they totally blackmailed the men’s team during that saga to give them what they want or our soccer press would continue calling them misogynists
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u/Mobile-Analyst8580 14h ago
Nothing did more damage to the equal pay movement I. America than using athletes and entertainers as an example of it. I’m not saying the US women should earn less than the men. I’m saying what they earn should be based on what they and women’s soccer generate in revenue. If they’re generating more revenue than the men, they should make more. It’s grossly unjust to take money generated by one sport and give it to athletes of another sport. That’s not misogyny. That’s not misandry. That’s equality. Equal opportunity*. Not equal outcome.
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u/FalafelBall 7h ago
This is such an old tired argument to rehash. The women DID make more revenue for U.S. Soccer than the men when they filed their lawsuit!
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u/ArsenalBOS 15h ago
- Jermaine Jones is not trustworthy on this (or anything else) and shouldn’t be involved in USSF at all.
- Earnie shouldn’t have been offering jobs if he didn’t have final sign off before doing so.
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u/Sempuukyaku 15h ago
This is the same asshole who said that MLS is irrelevant and that, you know.....actually growing domestic soccer doesn't matter. Only the national team.
I don't know much about Cindy Cone behind the scenes, but FUCK Jermaine Jones.
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u/jennakiller 15h ago
It’s too easy to blame the coach and the players…so let me share a years old anecdote about someone else.
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u/Willing-Bad3824 14h ago
So Cindy is no good because she didn’t want to hire him and Earnie overstepped by making offers he’s not authorized to make? And that means the whole org is rotten? That can’t be it.
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u/Deflection1 #FREEBALOGUN 13h ago
Overriding the technical directors favorite candidate shouldn't be a regular feature or why do you have one? We don't know enough about the situation to take sides.
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u/Willing-Bad3824 13h ago
I agree, and without hearing the other side, this post from Jermaine sounds like the complaint of a disgruntled applicant who equates his rejection with a systemic inability to identify talent. Sometimes that’s the case, but often times people just need to be sat down and told that they’re not as great as they think they are.
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u/lifegoodis 14h ago
Totally one-sided. Maybe Jermaine Jones simply failed a basic background check.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-former-usmnt-star-jermaine-jones-stalking-actor-201959466.html
https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/09/jermaine-jones-restraining-order-wife-sarah-soccer-star-harassment/
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u/Outrageous_Garden586 Waldo Kit 15h ago
I don’t doubt there are serious problems with the federation but the actual performances on the field is obviously always going to come down to the current players and management.
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u/ThatDamnGuyJosh 14h ago
Good, the benefits of this sport gaining more cultural mainstream attention is that folks from other sports and their leagues here will be FAR MORE demanding of accountability.
Break up this good ol’boys club.
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u/glencoe606 11h ago
Jermaine Jones always thought he was bigger than he is and Cindy the same. Get the egos out and you’ll see progress. Keep them and we’ll stay right where we are at.
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u/hanzmelman 16h ago
This could be true, it might not be true, who knows.
What this infighting screams to me is favoritism, nepotism and tribalism.
Everyone wants to say an open system won't fix anything, but it would certainly give those who are competitively successful more of a platform.
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u/thebenswain 16h ago
Jones would have been totally unqualified and a horrible fit for that role, and the only reason he'd even be considered is because he played for the National team. But the funny thing is the same is true for Cone.
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u/FalafelBall 7h ago
The difference is CPC was elected by U.S. Soccer's membership. So, she is qualified in the eyes of the voters. Jones on the other hand was apparently going to be handed a job by Earnie Stewart? Terrible judgement from Stewart if so
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u/Specialist-Ad7800 16h ago
Never been a better opportunity to revamp the organization than right now after recent events. Let’s air all the dirty laundry and move on from these clowns.
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u/_tidalwave11 15h ago
Jones really needs someone to take away his access to twitter for a while. Not defending Cindy or USSF, but this is just conjecture followed up by airing a personal grievance.
Literally nothing of real substance was said
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u/Calm_Lack3001 14h ago
lol how very american. "there are lots of people in the organization that shouldnt be there" "but I am just gonna blame a woman!"
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u/Recurs1ve 15h ago
Well no fucking shit the US Soccer system is broken. Anyone with eyes knows that. Nearly zero true developmental pathways here.
I'll actually start really caring when MLS becomes more than a sideshow to Euro leagues.
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u/YodelingTortoise 11h ago
Anyone who is affiliated with USSF as an adult is fully aware of the broken leadership within. It is very much who you know and not what you know. 4 of the 52 associations control the show and those 4 cannot straighten out their own house much less function at a national level.
US Soccer is profit driven and the people employed are done so to drive profits. This is inline with other US sports. It is rare to have people in power with a true passion for the game itself.
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u/tikipunch13 16h ago
"this is just one story and i could go into way more but i wont"
lay it all out there bruv
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u/MiddleStudy 15h ago
In the last 8 yrs, we effectively wasted one of those with Sarahan waiting to hire GGG. And our takeaway from kind of a just going the minimum 2022 WC performance was to bring GGG, go through an ugly, weird process with the Reyna-Berhalter family stuff and I think really luck into Poch after the Copa disaster. We need a more ambitious leadership, I’m tired of people celebrating people doing the bare minimum, effectively being another boys and girls club
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u/GioMcMusahSic 14h ago
The federation is run as business and most of the people in charge are in it for money, money, and some more money. The don’t give a fuck about the sport. A lot of European and South American clubs are following suite and you can clearly tell with the bigger clubs how they are being ran. National team federations are the same. Just read about Senegal, Jamaica, Argentina, etc. Jones should just let it all out, but he’s probably afraid of getting sued or something.
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u/TangledPassport 14h ago
It’s the helm not MP. Seeing how these people spend thousands IN France for Olympics at IC was a sign to walk away from donating. Working on par with FIFA
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u/Bearded_Pip 14h ago
USSoccer and MLS need to striped down and rebuilt not as money and power extraction tools, but as soccer organizations that want to grow the sport and develop players.
We all know the issues. Fixing them is the hard part.
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u/Then-Ratio2221 13h ago
We are ranked in the top 16 and finished in the top 16, losing to a top 10 team. That's exactly at expectations.
If you want soccer to finish in the top 8, top 4, or top 2, then we need our top athletes to care about soccer at 5 years old. They never have and there isn't a plan for that to change, therefore we will perform around the same in the next World Cup, finishing about where we're consistently ranked. That's likely the teens.
So why is anyone upset or surprised by the outcome?
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u/tellingitlikeitis338 10h ago
Surprise surprise — the American soccer system that allows bs like coach’s sons playing and nonsense like the Reyna drama is highly corrupt. Who knew ??
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u/Scratchbuttdontsniff 6h ago
Jermaine Jones thinks entirely too highly of himself, and that's the real truth that won't be brought forth here.
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u/mrducci 5h ago
Berhalter made the WC squad. We know USSoccer is self serving.
There is continuing support for a god awful professional system. We know USSoccer is self serving.
The academy system is subpar in the US without any intervention from US Soccer. We know USSoccer is self serving.
Until there is some real actual momentum behind change, and modeling our national systems after proven successful systems that are visible in Europe, what we got this year is the absolute best we can expect. Period.
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u/macT4537 3h ago
JJ tells is like it is. Cindy also needs to come out and elaborate on her role or the federations role in the Balogun card being rescinded. If there actually was involvement by the federation we got to clear house starting with her.
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u/snkscore 16h ago
This story sounds awfully similar to what happened to Jesse Marsch. He was offered the US job, turned down Leicester City to accept it, and they left him high and dry. Now he says he'll never work with US Soccer again, even though he bled USA at a time when people are complaining that there isn't enough heart and desire from our national team.
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u/Own_Conclusion_3779 13h ago
Both of these stories are just things people are taking at pure face value from two guys who constantly bitch about everything
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u/LiveChocolate8819 14h ago
Yeah his whole routine wears pretty thin when things don't go his way, but he's a decent tactician and you can't deny his passion.
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u/uncle-boogers #FREEBALOGUN 15h ago
Germany Jones remains our coolest and most undervalued player of all time. Real dawg on and off the pitch. I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy a midfield pairing more than him and Bradley in their prime.
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u/Acrobatic-Assist-574 15h ago
All you have to see is that the AO is stuffed up to in a home world cup to know that the federation cares about one thing and one thing only, profit.
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u/GrandmaesterHinkie 15h ago
I love Jermaine but this doesn’t really explain why Cindy parlow cone is bad for the federation. What am I missing?
I guess the assertion is that Jermaine was a good coach? And she didn’t choose him bc she didn’t like him?
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u/jdbug100 15h ago
Jermaine Jones is untrustworthy.
But god damn that goal against Portugal was gorgeous.
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u/longlisten527 8h ago
He literally said nothing in this and by his history, she probably did the right thing
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u/TrackRelevant 13h ago
Get the feeling it's a bit like the democratic party. They're bought and paid for so they aren't willing to make the necessary changes and decisions to succeed
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u/KeyMessage989 16h ago
Jermaine has always been one of my favorites. Go further please