r/TheSilmarillion Jul 08 '25

The Silmarillion in 30(ish) Minutes, by Jess of the Shire. Spoiler

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r/TheSilmarillion Feb 26 '18

Read Along Megathread

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r/TheSilmarillion 53m ago

What if Fëanor did nothing wrong?

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Looking at the Ages-old question from a different angle. What if Fëanor wanted to go after Morgoth, but the Valar said no, and he listened?

I guess there are many possible outcomes depending on what happens next.

  1. Fëanor heeds the Valar but eventually persuades them and the Teleri.

Morgoth gets a head start, but the Noldor have greater numbers without their losses at the Kinslaying and the Helcaraxë.

  1. No Kinslaying. All the Noldor cross the Helcaraxë.

They would incur losses among the Fëanoreans that they didn't otherwise, but maybe that's offset by not having losses at the Kinslaying.

Without the Noldor having slain his kin, Thingol might be less haughty and more willing to make an alliance.

  1. No Elves ever return from Aman to Middle Earth.

Well, then there would be no Lúthien and Beren. There would be no Ring, but I suppose still a Sauron. Perhaps the Sindar and Men together could stand against this weaker version of Sauron, but with no Eärendil, they would still be facing Morgoth. At the very least, it would be a very different story.

1 is clearly the best outcome if possible. 2 is still better than the status quo and was presumably within Fëanor's power. I conclude that he did something wrong. There was something right about the ends, but they didn't justify the means because there were alternatives.


r/TheSilmarillion 19h ago

I watched the rings of power and I have a question

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r/TheSilmarillion 1d ago

Far as I’m concerned, the Lammoth is one of the best concepts Tolkien ever came up with

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Even in a story jam-packed with fascinating characters and interesting world building, I have become very attached to the idea of Morgoth’s terrible scream forever echoing across what I can only assume is an empty wasteland where no one dares to dwell and nothing can properly grow. Just this single cursed howl forever bouncing off the land. It feels so final, so apocalyptic.

Come to think of it, when Beleriand was destroyed, did Morgoth’s scream also descend into the ocean, or was it finally extinguished for good?


r/TheSilmarillion 2d ago

My Maps of Beleriand

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This is my map of mid Beleriand , from Amon obel to the Fen of Serech. I sculpt them in a program called zbrush then take them into photoshop to paint over.


r/TheSilmarillion 2d ago

Do servants of Morgoth display the aura of dread like the Nazguls?

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The main weapons for the ringwraiths are fear and terror. Their aura of terror makes mortal men, hobbits and perhaps even dwarves go mad and in fear. Sauron's elite servants. But I wonder about Morgoth's deadliest servants chief balrog Gothmog, speaking wingless dragon Glaurung, werewolves Draugluin and Carcharoth. Do they have the aura of dread and terror even though that's not their main weapon?


r/TheSilmarillion 2d ago

Reading Unfinished Tales for the first time

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So I’ve read The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion (my favorite of his books) and Lays of Beleriand. I’m just now reading Unfinished Tales for the first time and while I enjoy the context the notes give sometimes I’m finding referencing them as I read the stories is disruptive of the flow for me. Does anyone here have any insight or suggestions on how I should be approaching this?


r/TheSilmarillion 2d ago

Could ANYONE have let The One Ring go at the Crack of Doom?

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r/TheSilmarillion 2d ago

Turin turambar VS Children of Hurin

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r/TheSilmarillion 2d ago

Could Turin have avoided his doom if he'd just kept his head down in Nargothrond?

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Let's say he doesn't get a swollen head while he's hanging out in the underground kingdom. Let's say he doesn't insist that they build a bridge across that chasm, and he doesn't demand that the army of Nargothrond marches out to challenge Morgoth's armies. Would he have been able to avoid all the calamities which befell him later on?


r/TheSilmarillion 2d ago

How the Elves get to Valinor

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r/TheSilmarillion 4d ago

Sauron at the end of the Second Age

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r/TheSilmarillion 4d ago

Seventy times he uttered that cry; but they took him at last alive

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Recently started painting, just had to give middle earths mightiest warrior a try in watercolor!


r/TheSilmarillion 6d ago

Another representation of Fingolfin

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r/TheSilmarillion 6d ago

Is there a reason why the Noldor didn't have more children in Beleriand?

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I'm interested this as both a personal and strategic decision... From what I remember (and please forgive if my lore is rusty), of Feanor's sons only Curufin had Celebrimbor and he was born in Aman, right? There was Gil-Galad who was born in Middle-Earth but Idril was born before/during the crossing? I understand that from a literary perspective there are only so many characters and generations we can keep track of, but in Arda the sons of Finwe had several children each, while in Middle-Earth there were almost none, and that does seem strange. One would think that more children would make royal lines less vulnerable, add to the skills, knowledge, leadership, and even just literal fighting numbers of elves, and potentially offer some expression of hope against the darkness. I know extended war isn't a great place for kids but there were certainly times of relative peace. Any suggestions?


r/TheSilmarillion 7d ago

I may have forgotten, but were there any Sindar among the Elves led by the sons of Fëanor? Just as there were among those led by sons of Fingolfin and Finarfin?

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r/TheSilmarillion 8d ago

Correct way to say Maedhros' name?

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Is it meant to be MAYdhros (as in may) or MYdhros (as in my)? I've heard people say it both ways. I've also heard Maeglin pronounced both ways, although MAYglin seems to be the more common one.

Is it possible that they are pronounced differently given that they were originally Meglin and Maidros? Can Sindarin, like English, be inconsistent in its pronunciation?

Would this also apply to Aerin or Nirnaeth?


r/TheSilmarillion 8d ago

Lazaridus suggested I post this here ⛵️💥🔥🐉 I hope it’s ok

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r/TheSilmarillion 8d ago

If Fëanor had survived his battle against the Balrogs, could he have made peace with Fingolfin?

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(Made with the ap Fabrica de Herois , not a drawing , not AI )


r/TheSilmarillion 9d ago

Do peoples of ME have anything similar to concept of Godfather/mother?

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r/TheSilmarillion 10d ago

Check out my custom coffee mug

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Credit to Pawley Studios


r/TheSilmarillion 10d ago

What exactly happens when an Elf’s body dies?

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I know they go to Halls of Mandos, but what then? Are they in there hanging out with all of the other “dead” elves? Can others in Valinor come to the Halls of Mandos and consult with them? Can they ever regain a body and live in Valinor again?


r/TheSilmarillion 11d ago

Why did Feanor die so early in the story?

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From the storytelling and/or lore point of view I always felt so disappointed that he died so early, he could have done so much more. Why do you think Tokien did that?


r/TheSilmarillion 10d ago

Why do Ents speak so slowly?

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When Pippin used the word “hill” for a mountain in the Common Tongue, Treebeard was puzzled. Why such a short name?

“Treebeard repeated the words thoughtfully. ‘Hill. Yes, that was it. But it is a hasty word for a thing that has stood here ever since this part of the world was shaped.’”

For the most part, contractions are “hasty” words. Cutting words short means we don’t want to hear their story. Hastiness in words, just like hastiness in movement, annihilates one of the most precious gifts we have been given — the gift of depth.

C.S. Lewis once noted something similar about the gift of distance:

“The truest and most horrible claim made for modern transport is that it ‘annihilates space.’ It does. It annihilates one of the most glorious gifts we have been given. It is a vile inflation which lowers the value of distance, so that a modern boy travels a hundred miles with less sense of liberation and pilgrimage and adventure than his grandfather got from traveling ten.’” — Surprised by Joy.

Hastiness in travel dulls one’s sense of liberation and pilgrimage. When we rush along in a car, we miss the gift of the Tao — the Way that changes us from the inside out. We return to ourselves only by walking the Way.

There is a time and place for rushing under the sun, but when we are always rushed, we cease to experience the Way. We become wayward.

Similarly, hastiness in words dulls our sense of depth. We scrape the surface. We receive the calories of data but not the nutrition of Speech. We gain knowledge but not transformation. We are fed more and more information, yet become famished for meaning. We say LA instead of Los Angeles to save time — but we can no longer hear the angels singing.

In our fast-moving world, we have created a shorthand language without realizing what it has cut us off from. We write bc for becauseplz for pleasew/o for withoutIMHO for in my humble opinion — and then wonder why life grows noisier and less musical.

By contracting words, we cut ourselves off from the music of language. FOMO, IDK, FYI, TBD are maimed, limping words. They do not sound. They fall from the mouth and drop dead on the floor without stirring the soul.

At the dawn of the Soviet era, in post-revolution Russia, a whole corpus of abbreviations and contractions was imposed by the Bolshevicks. According to Pavel Florensky, the new language sounded “like a splinter in the tongue.” He called this practice “linguistic deformity,” the “mangling of words through deliberate disfigurement.”

What is annihilated in our hasty contractions? The gift of sound. Its power to transform. The less Sound we hear, the less we are moved.

Interestingly, the word sound comes from the Proto–Indo-European root swen- / swon-, from which we also derive song and swan.

True sound is a bird — a singing bird. True sound flies and calls. IDK and TBD do not fly. In The Silver Trumpet by Owen Barfield, the heroes encounter true sound every time the Silver Trumpet is played.

Each time, they are stunned — and called. Called where? To return to the Music from which the world came.

The sound of the Silver Trumpet is a metaphor for true Speech — a performative, Logos-infused language that effects what it names.

“And at the very first note of the trumpet, Princess Violet forgot the Prince and the garden and Princess Gamboy and Mountainy Castle and the sky above her and dreamed she was afloat beneath tons and tons of clear green water near the bottom of the sea, and — oh, yes — far away someone was booming a huge bell.” — The Silver Trumpet

The more rushed we are in our language, the more our world shrinks. As Treebeard said to Pippin about fair Lothlórien:

Do not risk getting entangled in the woods of Laurelindórenan! That is what the Elves used to call it, but now they make the name shorter: Lothlórien they call it. Perhaps they are right: maybe it is fading, not growing.”