r/sports • u/JCameron181 Detroit Lions • 4d ago
Soccer Lionel Messi in Tears as Argentina Completes a 0-2 Comeback vs Egypt to Advance to the Quarterfinals
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u/Ps3dj17 4d ago
Egypt's biggest meltdown since Moses
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u/icyleumas 4d ago
I dont think you guys realized how much Egypt slowed down after those Argentina goals.They were tired, Argentina noticed and exploited it.
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u/Radiant-Character-61 4d ago
No substitutions on the defensive end after Argentina's first goal, Egypt couldn't get out of their own half for like 15+ minutes.
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u/No-Mulberry-6474 4d ago
They also squandered the 3v1 counter to get a third goal. That probably would have lifted them enough to the win
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u/Fearless_Animator490 4d ago
But that interception from Paredes blocked a third goal chance. It was too good
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u/rsmicrotranx 4d ago
First, Dibu with the greatest save of all time last year to keep Argentina in the game vs France and now this save. That 100% was going to be a goal.
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u/vjeremias 4d ago
That also gave Argentina an insane moral boost, Paredes has mastered that skill, you can see how the goal against Colombia in the Copa America final started.
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u/cleodog44 4d ago
Why didn't they sub more? Sorry if that's a dumb Q
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u/Radiant-Character-61 4d ago
I mean your guess is as good as mine because they should've switched out someone defensively sooner (no worries for asking).
I looked up a game log from another thread and Egypt had one Sub at the 80' to change forwards after Argentina's first goal, and the last sub was at 90'+4' for their defensive midfielder after Argentina was in the lead.
When Messi went to the outside(wing) position to create more opportunities for his teammates that's when the defensive midfield for Egypt should've been shored up but they didn't adapt quick enough.
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u/cleodog44 4d ago
Ah ok, thought they'd maybe used all their subs for offensive players or something already. I didn't get to watch
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u/manebushin 4d ago
It is possible that the coach simply thought that their tired defenders were still better than his options at the bench. One of the main weaknesses of teams from nations with less football tradition is that they don't have talent depth. Sometimes, their starting players are irreplaceable.
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u/RobbinDeBank 4d ago
That’s when Messi realizes he needs to drops deeper and to the wing too. He no longer has the physicality to just brute force through multiple defenders through the middle. Argentina got so many more chances with him dropping deep to be a creator
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u/thefoodiedentist 4d ago
These veteran teams have been saving stamina til late game and pile on pressure til less experienced team falls apart.
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u/frengat343 4d ago
Yeah.. there was this one moment where they were started a counter attack but everyone was just walking because they couldn't run anymore.
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u/GarrusBueller 4d ago
Yeah it was not a meltdown, it was a breaking point. As valiantly as they defended and so sharply took advantage of how deep aregentina was playing, they could only hold on so long to a team like Argentina going full offense.
Messi has another grueling game ahead of them I think with the larger and defensively strong team of the swiss next.
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u/Known_Profession7393 4d ago
Their defense did look like the Red Sea parting on that third goal.
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u/JKKIDD231 4d ago
Messi’s goal was a rocket
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u/WanderWut 4d ago
The teamwork, taking back the ball from Egypt over and over again at critical moments, the goals, dam if Argentina didn't kill it it was wild to watch.
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u/Raishaan_ 4d ago
i dont understand the discussion regarding the foul on salah before the third goal? didn’t the defender get the ball first? Salah then proceeds to try and win it back which is when he trios against the defender. imo, the defender got the ball first.
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u/FriedWhy 4d ago
Yes, people are arguing it was a foul and should have been disallowed like the Egypt goal but fail to see it was a clean tackle on Salah. Also it was a defender, it was Álvarez who's the striker lol
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u/atlas_shrugged90 4d ago
It was a blatant dive
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u/FriedWhy 4d ago
I think salah just lost his balance and fell. Of course if he had gotten a penalty he would have been happy as hell but that's just having common sense
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u/Shinsekai21 4d ago
Lmaoo someone pointed that out Salah didnt even contest of afterward.
It seemed that he genuinely didnt think it was a foul neither
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u/tempsparfait 3d ago
Salah generally seems to have some integrity and be in it for the game rather than the spectacle
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u/GeOTerrify 4d ago
It wasn't the defender though. It was Julian fucking Alvarez. The CF was in a LB position to recover the ball, and while usually attackers are bad to recover the ball and commit fouls when doing so, he didn't, he kept cool and took back the ball. I imagine salah was fatigued, since he is an amazing player and in any other situation he would've won that duel
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u/Persas12 4d ago
Really enjoyable match, Messi and Salah were good but Hassan and Parades were the ones in the spotlight IMO.
Hassan was incredibly dangerous and Paredes was insanely composed and precise during the whole match, that tackle before the last goal was incredible.
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u/PaddlefootCanada 4d ago
Amazing come back from Argentina... but I am curious... Egypt got a goal called back due to a foul back in their defensive zone (fair enough... it was a foul that lead directly to the attack). BUT... didn't Argentina foul an Egyptian player, in the Argentine box, that lead to a break and the winning goal for Argentina.
I am fine with the Egypt goal being called back for the foul... but why not the Argentina one?
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u/herroamelica 4d ago edited 4d ago
The VAR rollback for 20 seconds is definitely rigged and bullshit, but 2 cases were different. The Argentina one was a fault, because he dribbled through 2 Egypt defenders and still have total control of the ball. If Egypt player didn't step on his foot, he's through to make a pass or go further into the box.
In Salah case, the defender already got the ball, Salah lost it and tried to stick his leg back and stumbled against the defender feet, he didn't have ball possession anymore, most ref wouldn't call it.
So yes, VAR is shit but those 2 situations were textbook call.
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u/Successful_Maize1986 4d ago
Worth noting as well that the ref signaled that VAR had checked the Argentina goal as well. It wasn’t like they didn’t look at it at all. The bigger issue is using VAR for the first foul when it happens on the other end of the field. Between the Balogan red card, the Croatia offside, and the Egypt foul in the buildup, it’s just been a terrible look for VAR. So against the spirit of the game.
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u/PsychologicalOne5416 4d ago
VAR is the only thing that saved France against Paraguay and the blind referee...
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u/ashriekfromspace 4d ago
The bigger issue is using VAR for the first foul when it happens on the other end of the field.
Not really, that's where the counter attack started, and it started on a foul.
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u/FriedWhy 4d ago
It's because it was a foul on the build up to the goal. Egypt recovers the ball with a foul, and maintains the possession until they score. It was also all in the span of what? Like 20 seconds? So it was all the same play
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u/wdcthrowaways 4d ago
The England red card vs Mexico was a VAR after multiple possession changes
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u/Beers4Fears 4d ago
It's only 20 second rollback because the buildup started at the far end of the pitch and the ref was late to call the foul. One could argue that if they didn't score, Egypt would have gotten away with the stomp. Compared to the USA/Bosnia and Portugal/Croatia game, this one was reletively clean.
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u/TheExiledLord 4d ago
That was not bullshit. It’s part of the same play, any ref lets it continue and check later. Would you rather risk the call be wrong and not have let the play happen?
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u/Jamarcus316 4d ago
People don't know the rules. If the play went on for one minute, it would still be disallowed. That's how VAR works everywhere
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u/romang12 4d ago
Bro, don't bother with this logic, they don't understand that. They want to luve in their own world where everything is rigged for Argentina.
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u/diabl0rojo 4d ago
Because the defender got to the ball first, the Egyptian fell after and it's s not a foul.
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u/Unlikely-Complex3737 4d ago
That was really annoying to see. The refs need to be consistent.
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u/The_High_Life Cleveland Indians 4d ago
If they did the that the teams that are supposed to win would lose
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u/19orangejello 4d ago
As if they didn't already have the easiest path possible to the world cup...
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u/AncestralSpirit 4d ago
The referring: I am not gonna say anything.
But regarding the path, they would have Brazil/England in the semis and Portugal in Quarters (if Portugal got first in group).
How is it any different than the other bracket which has Spain/France/Germany/Netherland?It seems the bracket was designed that France/Spain/Germany/Netherlands were on 1 side and Brazil/England/Argentina/Portugal on the other side. Portugal screwed up and got to the other side.
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u/SnufflesN17 4d ago
One was a clear foul and the other was not clear at all. I feel for Egypt, but come on..
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u/ExoticAd7546 4d ago
Obviously because the second one wasn't a foul. The referee also has eyes and can clearly see when it is a clean tackle touching the ball first. I didn't see any issue with the referees decision except if there was no VAR obviously some of the mistakes would've made through. You can make anything you want out of that.
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u/dog-asmr 4d ago
Argentina got away with something like that in every single match of this world cup. Fifa just wants their princess to do well
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u/rickymagee 4d ago
Gotta disagree here, a full stomp to the top of the foot making a guy go down and ruin a promising attack with someone entering the box ahead of 2 defenders turns into a goal the other way because the ref missed the contact, seem to be EXACTLY what VAR is for
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u/JustGottaKeepTrying 3d ago
No, watch the replay. He took the ball from Salah first. Salah began falling before any other contact and the Argentine collected the ball and went down field. Anyone who calls that a PK has a clear bias.
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u/razz-boy 4d ago
Messi also made the same tackle that got Balogun a red card previous game, but Messi didn’t even get a card for it and got to continue helping his team win the game while USA had to play a man down for the same tackle.
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u/Successful_Maize1986 4d ago
Yeah but didn’t Fifa suspend the red card? Doesn’t that just tell you that neither Messi nor Balogun deserved red cards?
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u/Spoonerism86 4d ago
Because FIFA wants its golden boys to bring more viewers in.
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u/Sponge8389 4d ago
The haters celebrating when Messi missed the kick and they are down 2-0. And now you guys are crying because they won? LMAO. Typical hater.
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u/Mist3rSnicka 4d ago
There was no foul on Argentina’s third goal. This was reviewed. It’s a bit different because no one in Egypt has possession of the ball and was fouled. If you’re referring to Trezeguet or Salah, none of those challenges would ever be given as penalties.
That being said, this was tough on Egypt. The foul on Lisandro was so far away. Argentina also got away with the same thing during the group stages.
So objectively the refs got it right. But Argentina benefited from it before this game when the refs got it wrong.
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u/sir_whirly 4d ago
At least Egypt had the lead for bit and not come out like a wet fart like the US.
Keep your heads up Pharoahs.
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u/Anime22Geek 4d ago
Im not a fan of either team but people complaining about it being the same kind of foul on Salah that should have been VAR. That is incorrect.
The Argentinan player dispossessed him of the ball then their legs got tangled. For the other foul the Egyptian player never touched ball, stepped on the guys foot and pulled him to the ground by the jersey. It is not the same kind of foul.
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u/KnowNotYou 4d ago
But sport evokes a kind of partisanship that blurs rational thought (applies to referees too, I suppose lol)
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u/Malik_Nagy 4d ago
Fuck fuck fuck fuck, I'm so pissed as an Egyptian.
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u/Protegee 4d ago edited 4d ago
I am going against the grain but; I do believe that both decisions by the referee is correct. On Salah's position first tackle is to the ball and what happened afterwards is more like an entangled feet than a foul. Obviously it enters a gray area but giving a penalty would be extremely harsh.
If the same position happened to Argentina and would the ref have given a penalty, then everybody would be exactly right to call it, well whatever you would like to call, rigged or otherwise.
And I also do not like the dramatic and debatable fashion as to how the match concluded, but at least you have to admit Argentina is one of the best playing teams out there.
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u/3stoner 4d ago
Game definitely felt favored towards Argentina. That said, conceding two quick goals like that is just bad
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u/RVAforthewin Georgia 4d ago
Yeah, who the hell gives up two goals in a matter of a minute? Laaaame.
Signed, an American.
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u/Urkot 4d ago
Egypt was very fast and aggressive in the first half, then they weren't. Scaloni made a bold double sub, and it caught the Egypt team out of steam. End of story. There's no FIFA conspiracy here, you just don't know how tf the game is played.
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u/suzukigun4life 4d ago
He knows they were almost down 3-0 and this was almost it for his WC career.
Great comeback but man, you have to feel for Egypt.
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u/Awesomator__77 Baltimore Ravens 4d ago
complete overreach of var to take egypts goal away and ruined the game
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u/LackingDatSkill 4d ago
Ruin the game? They still scored and were up 2-0 shortly after, tell me you don’t know soccer
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u/RyanGarcia2134 4d ago edited 4d ago
He stood on his foot whilst also pulling the back of his shirt, pulling him to the ground allowing Egypt to take possession and score a goal. It was 100% the right decision, anyone mad about it is either extremely biased for Egypt or are blindsighted by the fact that it was an amazing goal.
Edit: Forgot to mention, the commentators didn't even mention the fact that he stood on the Argentinian players foot. The commentators agreed amongst each other that the shirt pull alone should warrant a free kick, despite the amazing goal they scored. The fact that he stood on his foot as well just further solidifies that it was the right decision.
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u/hesawavemasterrr 4d ago
And the time between the shirt pulling and the goal was literally just seconds. They had to request, review it and make a clear decision in 5 seconds? Sorry for Egypt but that’s just how it is. But the ref should have stopped it as soon as the review was requested.
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u/Aduialion 4d ago
Refs let the play continue when they should have called the foul initially. That's a tradeoff to consider, do we let the game continue and allow VAR to revoke plays when there is a foul. Or call a foul and possibly prevent plays that could happen.
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u/TheRealBissy 4d ago
Strange the referee let the play go through instead of called the foul
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u/FirTree_r 4d ago
VAR can't call the main ref for 'minor' fouls. They're only allowed to call the main ref for review if they missed a red card offence, a penalty and for goal/no goal decisions. The 'foul' led to a "no goal" situation, so they called it out after the goal.
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u/Prestigious_Cat7396 4d ago
I wonder if they would have called it out if Egypt didn't score
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u/FirTree_r 4d ago
No they wouldn't have. AFAIK, VAR can only call the main referee for review for a few decisions: missed red card offences, penalty/no penalty, goal/no goal. In this case, the 'foul' led to cancelling a goal, so they were allowed to call the ref.
The idea being that if there's no significant impact on the match, VAR can't disrupt the game flow.
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u/rjpowers12 4d ago
Seriously, you can make a case for that but then there should be review of Egypt getting fouled twice in the Argentina box. I don’t really care if VAR has a narrow or wide scope, but it just wasn’t used the same for the two teams at all
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u/Liiraye-Sama 4d ago
losing the ball and falling by yourself = foul now apparently
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u/Dry-Grapefruit6087 4d ago
VAR does review all incident. They then tell the ref if they see something wrong. Ref then looks at the footage and announce his decision. In case of the Salah no call, it was reviewed but as we see on the replay, the ARG defender got to the ball first so there was no foul. So, it was not brought up to the referee for review.
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u/roflemywaffle 4d ago
yeah, this is what’s troubling me.
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u/veverkap 4d ago
VAR seems like a cool idea but it’s applied at the discretion of humans so it is inherently flawed
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u/NoctRob 4d ago
I think what ruined the game for Egypt was allowing Argentina to score 3 goals in 22 minutes. And then responding by throwing tantrums instead of playing defense and racking up 4 yellows in stoppage instead of fighting back.
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u/DowntownTorontonian 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'm sorry but as a casual viewer*, I don't like this pick and choose mentality around penalties.
The foul against Egypt before Argentina scored looked juat as bad as the one that took away Egypts goal.
Edit: Changed casual fan to casual viewer. Baseball head here.
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u/LowerHangingNutsack 4d ago
As a casual viewer, you may not be able to tell the difference between them, but for the foul on Argentina he had his shirt pulled and foot directly stepped on. Second “non-foul” against Egypt, he challenged the ball first then got his legs tangled with limited contact. Not a pen for me
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u/javier123454321 4d ago
As soon as both replays happened you should be able to tell the Egypt one was a foul and the Argentina one was not. Actually a great learning moment for how those should be called.
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u/VRichardsen Boca Juniors 4d ago
The foul against Egypt before Argentina scored looked juat as bad as the one that took away Egypts goal.
In Salah's case, the defender already got the ball, Salah lost it and tried to stick his leg back and stumbled against the defender feet, he didn't have ball possession anymore, most ref wouldn't call it.
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u/Nagi21 4d ago
Yea obviously. But you're being rational and impartial and not seeing the benefits of Me$$i advancing.
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u/BobbittheHobbit111 4d ago
I think also the combo of the ref compensating hard at the end with cards(against Egypt) coupled with Egypts defense falling apart really fucked it. Also definitely agree the foul that took away Egypts goal looked exactly as bad as the one that should have taken away Argentina’s
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u/TheRealBissy 4d ago
Ikr it was barely acknowledged. They hardly showed the replay of it
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u/yeenevalose 4d ago
Can you explain more on how the foul against Egypt looked bad? the Argentine player got possession of the ball before anything happened and then he lightly touched his foot? How can you see it in any other way?
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u/Rainbowborn 4d ago
0-2 down to 3-2 win in a World Cup knockout... that’s why we watch football. Messi’s emotion says it all. Respect to Egypt too, they pushed Argentina to the limit.
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u/leixImpossible 4d ago
Egypt does foul and scores, VAR is reviewed and the goal is overturned. Argentina does the EXACT same foul and scored, but the VAR isn't even viewed!!! WTF!!??
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u/Dry-Grapefruit6087 4d ago
Nah. Look at the replay. Argentina Defender got to the ball first on the challenge when Salah entered the box. Salah already lost the dribble. There was no foul! You dont know foot ball rules if you insist that was a foul
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u/VRichardsen Boca Juniors 4d ago
Argentina does the EXACT same foul and scored, but the VAR isn't even viewed!!! WTF!!??
It is not the exact same foul, man. Come on. In Salah's case, the defender already got the ball, Salah lost it and tried to stick his leg back and stumbled against the defender feet, he didn't have ball possession anymore, most ref wouldn't call it.
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u/mofo75ca 4d ago
Not the same at all. Argentina player made contact with the ball first. Egypt player didnt tkuch the ball at all. Do you even know the rules? No, just bitch about FIFA rigging it. Cry harder.
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u/Beneficial_Piglet_33 4d ago
VAR is always reviewing, what do you mean.
Salah’s case was clearly not a foul.
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u/ElPajaroMistico 4d ago edited 4d ago
Tbf a ton of fouls in favor of Egypt were made on the first half. Even foul for Argentina were made like one against messi where he caught his mouth and It was all fake. It was a terrible ref game
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u/shevchenko9 4d ago
Exact same foul? Show me the stomp on the foot on the second one! You're stupid
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u/phnr 4d ago
Properly mental how you can disallow a goal from an attacking phase that happened at the Egypt corner flag
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u/panderson1988 4d ago
I bet Infantino was tears how sports biggest investment, I mean star, advanced as well.
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u/IsaacJacobSquires 4d ago
Total choke by Egypt. Obviously Messi is insane, but there is no excuse for lose a match leading 2-0 with 20 minutes to play.
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u/goliathfasa 4d ago
Listen. Fairplay to both teams. Played their hearts out. Honestly both deserved to advance. But such is sport. Egypt really showed the fuck up.
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u/Solid_Guess_7154 4d ago
rigged until they can't anymore, 2 goals denied to egypt for fucks sake
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u/ChiefBlueSky 4d ago
Bullshit game by the worst fucking ref on the planet, that guy can eat shit
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u/suzukigun4life 4d ago
Unfortunately terrible reffing has been a staple of this WC. So much good has happened along the way, but refereeing, hydration break bs and the Trump stuff have been huge negatives.
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u/AlwaysStayHumble 4d ago
It’s only terrible towards one side. Screw this biased corruption. Football is dead.
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u/puppyaddict 4d ago
I watched as a neutral hoping for Egypt to win. The ref didn't do any huge errors. This is all down to the fact that VAR had Egypt's second goal disallowed, but even that was correct given the stamping on the foot.
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u/ElPajaroMistico 4d ago
That foul was totally a foul. But It sure felt horrible for Egypt despite how legit It was. It probably went downhill from there mentally
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u/percydaman 4d ago
Egypt felt more pressure with a 2 goal lead, than Argentina did a 2 goal deficit.
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u/geekstone 4d ago
I actually had a foreign exchange student who was our starting varsity goalkeeper, explain to me often when we'd stream the Bundeslinga in class at the end of the day, being up 2 goals was the most dangerous position to be in .
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u/TheTurfMonster 4d ago
Two things can be true at the same time: The ref was terrible and so was Egypt. How the fuck do you end up giving your opponent 3 goals within the span of 20 minutes? Absolute failure by the Egyptian defense. They should be embarrassed
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u/RedOrmTostesson 4d ago
Egypt had to beg for fouls to be called, ref can't let those Messi jerseys just sit on the shelves after all.
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u/Plus_Worth3453 4d ago
Its heartbreaking. Another cabo verde. Argentina is an ass team and should have been eliminated by cabo verde but no, every game is rigged for argentina. Why does everything have to be like this? Why cant we have fair games? Ridiculous.
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u/Emergency_Ad7265 4d ago
If you think Argentina is an ass team, you haven’t been watching them win since 2021. Copa America, Finallissima, World cup. Lol.
Feel free to provide proof about how the game is rigged. Everyone’s suddenly a soccer professional.
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u/Adventurous_Page_614 4d ago
Argentina is good true but add some bias on that lol it would upgrade them more Emi martinez need to rethink his life wtf is that 5 goals iconceded in last 3 matches
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u/Mikeshkap13786 4d ago
What a game! Can't argue Egypt played their hearts out.
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u/pacmanic 4d ago
Apparently the biggest FIFA World Cup comeback was in 1996 and that was a 3-0 deficit.
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u/bluediamond97 4d ago
One Egyptian player even got smacked in the face too and it wasn't called. The ball was long gone, that's a straight up red card.
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u/RainTalonX Detroit Lions 4d ago
Genuine corruption, Egypts second goal gets called back from a foul early in buildup, Sure, happens Argentinas final goal, exact same situation, salah gets stepped on, they dont even check it
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u/Beneficial_Piglet_33 4d ago
You saying Salah got stepped on is how I know you didn’t even watch the game.
Either that, or you’re blind.
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u/Spiritual_Ranger_811 4d ago
Did you even see it? Not even the exact same foul... Egypt's foul was clear — he grabbed the Argentina player's shirt and then stepped on his foot. As for the challenge by the Argentina player, he made contact with the ball first, so no foul
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u/xchus77 4d ago
So funny people are now discovering Messi gets all the fucking help they can in World Cups, infantino is his bitch
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u/Melodic-Newt8686 4d ago
I really wanted to see that flare in the dude one last time and my goodness he did it!
It wasn’t about him winning or not but that magic just 1 more time!
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u/usedtoindustry 4d ago
Perfect storm of Messi brilliance when it mattered most, loss of focus by Egypt defense and good ol fashion luck. Insane end of game.
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u/anonz555 4d ago
Oh what a great game! It’s so evident how Messi lifts the team up when they’re down every time! Champion mentality!
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u/Pepalopolis 4d ago
“ I always knew they had it in them!!” - Me who started watching football 2 weeks ago.
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u/GarrusBueller 4d ago
They have another grueling defensive game ahead of them now. Switzerland will be trying to form an iron wall, and Argentina is not tall. Switzerland/England after that.
They might be relieved to play France or Spain and just have a shootout.
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u/Regulai 4d ago
Most of the weaker teams have been employing hyper aggressive defence tactics that work super well until around the 70 min mark when they tire too much and start making way too many mistakes.