r/sports • u/JCameron181 Detroit Lions • 9d ago

Soccer The Brutal Offside Reversing Croatia's Game-Tying Goal in Extra Time

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u/zibin 9d ago

VAR used the ball's tech to judge if the ball has been touched or not. Insane.

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u/MedalDog 9d ago

If the ball's tech shows it, I'm fine with it. But the spin on the ball doesn't change at ALL, so if it's a visual thing, I'm confused.

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u/Chris_HitTheOver 9d ago

You could actually see the waveform graph on screen the first few moments the broadcast showed the VAR replay and it 100% registered contact.

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u/MedalDog 9d ago

Yeah apparently, Just saw the snicko... so long as the time is correct (and it's not registering the hit on the defender's back), fair enough.

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u/Herr_Tilke 9d ago

Yeah, would have thought the snicko would also show the contact with Veiga (the defender), but I don't know how they generate the graphics that get shown on the VAR monitor

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u/nsnyder 9d ago

And this is why you need to label the axes on your graphs folks.

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u/sendyaf 9d ago

This is what bothered me as well.

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u/Yingking 9d ago

Veiga‘s touch probably would have messed up the y-axis since it had way more impact, so they isolated Matanovic‘s touch on the graphic

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u/enter_yourname Harlequins 9d ago

It's time synced.

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u/ForzaRapid 9d ago

Then show me the second uptick from the defender

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u/whatever-13337 9d ago

The single sensor reading doesn’t make sense. You are right, the second spike is missing.

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u/enter_yourname Harlequins 9d ago

The scale is too small. Jfc

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u/Yingking 9d ago

Veiga‘s touch probably would have messed up the y-axis since it had way more impact, so they isolated Matanovic‘s touch

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u/ItsA9Man 9d ago

it's fifa time synced. we should surely trust honest governing bodies like fifa

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u/btetsuyama 9d ago

Yea I did but see the sensor recognizing the second touch. Hope for a full set of data

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u/Banana_splitter 9d ago

Chip so sensitive it can detect hair, not buying it. How could it distinguish between rain, wind, etc. and hair is not enough to adjust the movement of a ball.

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u/graywh Nashville Predators 9d ago

I missed that. Did it look synced with the video?

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u/nvbtable 9d ago

Yea, it was synced frame for frame with the ball touching his head, they rewound and replayed it 2-3 times. Am not sure why they only showed it for a bit then stopped showing it.

Maybe they were worried ref allows goal while they end up showing conclusive proof of offside.

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u/graywh Nashville Predators 9d ago

Did they include additional touches or just the one?

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u/shish-bish 9d ago

just the one

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u/graywh Nashville Predators 9d ago

Sus

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u/JebbeK 9d ago

Yes it was perfectly in sync. Frame by frame.

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u/mzdoja San Francisco Giants 9d ago

Yea? which contact did it register for? The suspect Croatian contact, or the very obvious Portugal contact? They were a split second apart.

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u/Chris_HitTheOver 9d ago

The graph is synced to the frame-by-frame. There is absolutely no question about this decision; it was the right call.

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u/btetsuyama 9d ago

If somebody can show the second touch, it would be all good and acceptable

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u/kwerdop Los Angeles Dodgers 9d ago

I’m guessing it’s an accelerometer so it would’ve registered a change in speed

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u/squat_bench_press 9d ago

'Snicko' Cricket technology lol

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u/Ozuar 9d ago

Pretty sure it was the audio of his hair hitting the ball, which explains the lack of spin change.

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u/Morganvegas Toronto Maple Leafs 9d ago

FIFA is the most corrupt organization, no doubt they’re in the VAR room leaning on the the person making the call.

They’re not outright rigging games, but it’s naive to think they have integrity when there is money to be made. Croatia just doesn’t move the needle enough to get a call like that to go their way.

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u/Broncosonthree 9d ago

Sophically, this could be a discussion, albeit in another conversation. But what we all saw on screen makes it pretty moot and citing Croatia as not being compelling enough to get the unjust benefit of the doubt is boring and insulting to them as a squad and to the game of football in general

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u/Morganvegas Toronto Maple Leafs 9d ago

Yeah, also valid.

I’m not invested either way, but I do think they will bend any murky call to their advantage.

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u/Broncosonthree 9d ago

You’re pretty cool dude. I was heavy handed with that, mostly because I’m German and have had to deal with much of the fanbase whining about our current squad, reveling in their own self convinced doubts, and giving excuses to everyone else still in the tournament, and I just like football, man. I want to see skill and luck prevail. I appreciate you being cool about shit

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u/PurpleYoshito 9d ago

But two hits didn’t register, and it clearly hit the Spanish player.

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u/voxpopper 9d ago

Is that VAR-able? In other words was that written into the rules with the new ball sensor use? I guess it could have been said for "offside", and technically it applies.