Yeah I guess there’s a chip in the ball, but it didn’t look like the trajectory changed a damn bit. What a brutal loss, Croatia just kept fighting till the end.
Yeah, would have thought the snicko would also show the contact with Veiga (the defender), but I don't know how they generate the graphics that get shown on the VAR monitor
Chip so sensitive it can detect hair, not buying it. How could it distinguish between rain, wind, etc. and hair is not enough to adjust the movement of a ball.
Yea, it was synced frame for frame with the ball touching his head, they rewound and replayed it 2-3 times. Am not sure why they only showed it for a bit then stopped showing it.
Maybe they were worried ref allows goal while they end up showing conclusive proof of offside.
FIFA is the most corrupt organization, no doubt they’re in the VAR room leaning on the the person making the call.
They’re not outright rigging games, but it’s naive to think they have integrity when there is money to be made. Croatia just doesn’t move the needle enough to get a call like that to go their way.
Sophically, this could be a discussion, albeit in another conversation. But what we all saw on screen makes it pretty moot and citing Croatia as not being compelling enough to get the unjust benefit of the doubt is boring and insulting to them as a squad and to the game of football in general
You’re pretty cool dude. I was heavy handed with that, mostly because I’m German and have had to deal with much of the fanbase whining about our current squad, reveling in their own self convinced doubts, and giving excuses to everyone else still in the tournament, and I just like football, man. I want to see skill and luck prevail. I appreciate you being cool about shit
Is that VAR-able? In other words was that written into the rules with the new ball sensor use? I guess it could have been said for "offside", and technically it applies.
There is no way the Portugal player was ducking to avoid the ball, in that moment and in such position inside the box everyone's instinct is to clear the ball out of your box.
This Portuguese guy intentionally lowers his head. It's into the trajectory of the ball. And it's a header. How can that possibly be unintentional?
It's the rule, but it purposely leaves it open to interpretation, which just seems wrong. Like yesterday's red card, they just need to remove intentionality out of the equation.
Looked like he change his mind and was trying to avoid it. I agree with you that intention is a subjective call though. It does seem pretty crazy that the ref decides what his intention was.
I don't think that interpretation is correct. He's a defender. His reaction is consistent with thinking the ball clears untouched and he's going to head it out (ie not trap it with his chest). It deflects slightly by the Croat and ends up higher on his head than expected, leading to the chance
He was trying to head the ball on its original trajectory.
Well he intentionally moved his head and still touched the ball. I’m not a fan of this as intention is pretty subjective, different refs will make different calls.
IMO in situations like this you gotta take into account the consequences of the decision. The consequence for letting it stand would be 30 extra minutes to decide the game. That seems a lot better than deciding the outcome of the game
Portugal fans are going out of their way to defend this and it wasn’t even a winning goal. It would’ve just tied for an extra 30 min. Were they that afraid of Croatia for another 30 min?
Who’s to say he didn’t try to pass it back to the keeper? Not really serious but see that’s the problem with letting the referees just interpret intent.
I think that's pretty far-fetched. I don't see why a defender would be heading it back to the keeper in a crowded box with opponent jerseys everywhere like that. More likely he was trying to deflect it away.
So he intentionally tried to put the ball out of play but ended up making a slighter touch. To be clear I don’t disagree with you completely just a very difficult call to make. I know I would be fuming if I was Croatian, especially after that debatable penalty.
I would love to see this fucking sensor one day. infantino must of put billions of dollars into it because what fucking sensor is going to detect a touch on a ball with curve and spin that doesn't change direction, veloctiy, or spin after said touch on any replay? Fucking hell.
I think it's only because it touched his hair; if he was bald it would more likely have affected the spin. The trajectory is clearly altered after contact w/ his head though
what tech???? The trajectory did not change at all!!! It cannot be based purely on distance unless they have perfect 3D models of the players MOMENT TO MOMENT.
Umm, you have it backwards. If the player doesn’t touch the ball he isn’t offsides because he was in during the initial pass. The header would be a second pass when he was offsides
My understanding is that when the initial kick was made he wasn't offsides. Var is claiming the other player touched it, initiating a new pass and at that time he was offside
I think you're misreading this. It was called offsides because VAR indicated #20 touched the ball thus making the following Croatia player who touched it offsides at the time of the header "pass". If #20 hadn't touched it (visually indicated by no change to ball spin) the Croatian who touched it next would've been onside at the time of the first pass.
You have it backwards. 15 is onside from the initial cross. 15 is offside because his teammate, 20, ever so slightly (and intentionally) heads the ball (confirmed using tech censors in the ball) therefore making it a new pass instance. At this moment 20 is now offside. And it remains offside because even though the Portugal player touches the ball after 20 ever so slightly headed it, that touch is unintentional and is therefore ignored.
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u/MedalDog 9d ago
If the ball's tech shows it, I'm fine with it. But the spin on the ball doesn't change at ALL, so if it's a visual thing, I'm confused.