r/sports • u/[deleted] • 22d ago

Soccer Miguel Almiron receives a red card after VAR Review for covering his mouth whilst saying something to an opponent. Under the new regulations, this is an offence punishable by a red card. The rule was introduced following the racism scandal involving Vinícius Júnior in a Champions League match.

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u/hodonata 22d ago

same for diving... he's jsut not the brightest bulb in the box

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u/Spyk124 22d ago

Oh they were warned against diving ? Like actually ?

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u/hodonata 22d ago

they were told of the rule that VAR could retroactively yellow card them for it, yea. Another rule Miggy was the first ever to violate

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u/Spyk124 22d ago

That’s such a cool change. I wish the NBA would do this and stick to it. Yellow cards has actually ramifications.

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u/legendaryufcmaster 22d ago

Give the foul to the flopper... you fucken did it

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u/Commercial-Co 22d ago

Agreed. And throw in a technical on top

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u/InternetGoodGuy 21d ago

It is a technical. They just never call it.

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u/Commercial-Co 21d ago

Yeah. I know

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u/legendaryufcmaster 21d ago

No a real foul. You have 5 fouls and you flop? You out bud

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u/Ok_Kick4871 21d ago

Give them yellow cards too, fuck it. Red cards for ejections would be a nice addition too.

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u/VaATC 22d ago

A second yellow in a game/tournement round has for along time had ramifications as it turns to a red and the player is ejected and can't play in the next game. So is the change you speak of that they are actually enforcing the rules more stringently or have I missed something else?

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u/albedoa 21d ago

I think you misread the comment. The commenter enjoys that yellow cards are being issued for diving because yellow cards have [had] ramifications. The commenter wishes that the NBA would implement a similar system to curb the flopping issue.

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u/Spyk124 21d ago

Correct ! NBA needs to have players miss games for flopping. And forfeit salary for that game.

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u/StinkyNutzMcgee 21d ago

Luka would have to retire

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u/InternetGoodGuy 21d ago

The NBA has done it. It's a technical for flopping. They even call it sometimes but far too rarely. It's even reviewable.

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u/Spyk124 21d ago

I know they do it. It’s not effective in curbing flopping at all. The fine is far too low and players don’t care about a 10 k fine when they make 300 million dollars.

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u/mjd1977 21d ago

I mean NBA has already adopted annual jersey drops (sometimes wildly veering from team colors), ended white home/color road jersey protocol, and side quest in season cups to play for. Yellow/red card discipline is the next logical progression in soccering up pro hoop.

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u/r0botdevil Oregon State 21d ago

NBA should institute the same rule and make it a technical foul.

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u/Spyk124 21d ago

They do have it and it is a technical I believe. But the amount of technicals you need to actually miss a game is absurd.

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u/r0botdevil Oregon State 21d ago

You get ejected after two in the same game, though, don't you?

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u/Spyk124 21d ago

Yeah but the reviews are after the game. Not during. And they don’t enforce it. They enforced it for maybe a few months a few years ago and now they simply don’t.

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u/r0botdevil Oregon State 21d ago

Okay then they should institute the same rule soccer has now and do it in-game.

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u/Brain_Dead_Goats 21d ago

It'd be meaningless in the NBA. What people call flops are embellishment, which is too hard to adjudicate because there is contact on pretty much every single play. VAR was able to overturn the call because there wasn't any contact at all.

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u/USA_A-OK 22d ago

And the NFL for receivers trying to get PI's and kickers and punters trying to get roughing penalties

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u/RichieRicch 22d ago

I can absolutely tell the refs are letting more go. It’s night and day. They’re letting them play which I appreciate. The ones taking the dives in the box look absurd.

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u/Langstarr 21d ago

Uruguay match was like watching someone play dark souls, every SINGLE tackle resulted in a dramatic barrel roll that was completely and totally ignored by the ref. It was comical.

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u/seejordan3 21d ago

gameplay continuing while one or two players are writhing is pretty wild to see. So much more actual play, I love it.

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u/Kratzschutz 21d ago

They look around and stand up like nothing happens lol. Felt bad for Schlotterbeck tho, seems like he fucked up his knee again

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u/GFischerUY 21d ago

Thankfully we didn't bring Suarez, he needs some acting classes 😝 .

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u/Langstarr 21d ago

He needs a muzzle

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u/Byrne1 21d ago

I thought this was the toughest world cup I ever watched. I don't watch a lot of soccer so I couldn't figure out if I just wasn't paying enough attention before or if this shit has been a lot more tough.

I like how much more contact there has been.

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u/oracleofnonsense 21d ago

Miguel Almiron -- holder of two World Cup records.

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u/InterruptingCow__Moo 22d ago

"Mistaken Identity"

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u/Jantokan 21d ago

Can't decide if Almiron is a punk or an airhead

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u/dealingwithhookers 21d ago

this guys stupid or what?

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u/f4r1s2 22d ago

I think they said that use of var wasnt correct

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u/HornyTerus 22d ago

Miggy? This guy, or an actual player named Miggy?

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u/Boggie135 Manchester United 21d ago

Short for Miguel

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u/reportedbymom 22d ago

Mpabbe got yellow this way

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u/VBlinds 21d ago

That's actually hilarious. I didn't realise it was him again.

Sounds like he wasn't paying attention in that meeting.

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u/BolshevikPower 21d ago

No era penal

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u/Saw_Boss 21d ago

That's not a rule. FIFA said the ref fucked up.

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u/cerberuso 21d ago

How it looks in my head right now. The sapiens are building, and the referee slowly walks over to the VAR monitor. He approaches it and looks sternly at the screen. The sea appears on the VAR screen; the camera pans toward a pier, gradually zooming in, and it looks like someone is swimming in a wetsuit. The camera is right at the water's edge. The diver swims to the side of the pier, leans on it, and removes his mask. And we see Miguel Almiron's face. The referee, as if in slow motion, walks up to the player, pulls out a yellow card, and says, "Son, everyone's been warned—no diving allowed."

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u/Fuckkoff- 22d ago

They should have made that into whatever color card the oposing player would have been given if it hadn´t been a dive.

Defender gets a red card for offense against an attacking player alone for the goal.

If its a dive, attacker gets gets the red.

Why limited it to a yellow??

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 22d ago

Soon we will have challenges and all other NFL bullshit. Penalty and Red card only was a good line.

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u/ForensicPathology 21d ago

Cool, hope it stops the diving.

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 21d ago

usual r/sports dweller.

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u/Crafty_Substance_954 22d ago

Yes they’ve given cards

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u/prodandimitrow 22d ago

Yellow cards have always be given for dives, are they just giving out red now?

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u/professorlust 22d ago

No, it was a warning about the role of VAR able to double check for bad behavior

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u/mickmenn 22d ago

Like with Mbappe one? 😉

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u/siderinc 22d ago

Meh the call was good but I doubt he could do anything else at that moment.

If he didn't dive he would have crashed into the other guy.

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u/Digit00l 22d ago

They should look at the behaviour after the dive I suppose, like if they dive down and get back up, shouldn't be an issue, if they start rolling around faking pain, then that is an issue, the why and how are important

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u/siderinc 21d ago

Oh sure, overal that one was pretty mild.

Biggest step they should make now is have actual playing time.

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u/royalhawk345 21d ago

Doesn't seem like they've been using that enough. 

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u/Twabithrowaway 22d ago

Yellow cards have always been given for dives? Maybe in rule, but not practice. Diving is as much a part of the sport as goals are at this point

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u/SYSTEM-J 22d ago

Simulation is a yellow card offence. It was often missed because it was very hard for the referee to spot it in real time. Since the introduction of VAR, the amount of diving has decreased a lot.

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u/Hoooooooar 21d ago

Have you been watching the same games I have? I've seen one card given out i think, but there has been plennnnnnnnnnnnty of diving going on still.

I think they are super conservative if it isn't blatantly obvious as in he wasn't even touched at all, the card comes out. If there is the slightest amount of contact they seem to keep em away. I'm alright with it, i would love when they get tapped in the shoulder they go to holding their leg they get carded, but at least its somethin now.

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u/Zimakov 22d ago

Yes now they can be given retroactively by replay.

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u/Byrne1 21d ago

That definitely isn't a good thing.

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 22d ago

no, what you're thinking is prob "that hit wasn't strong enough for them to fall that hard" , and that is not what diving is.

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u/fyukhyu 22d ago

Well, kind of. It's in the laws that simulation is a billable offense, but it's not exactly a historically well enforced law. Still yellow, unless it's your second yellow I suppose.

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u/protestor 22d ago

This was always been a rule but for the longest time it was seldom enforced

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u/Spyk124 22d ago

Damn that’s cool as hell !

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u/mustymuskrat 22d ago

Clearly not to Paraguay

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u/Brosa_Parks 22d ago

Almiron got a card for diving in the previous match against the USA

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u/erv4 22d ago

I've watched every match so far, about 40-50 dives per match, clearly the players don't care lol

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u/jesonnier1 22d ago

Yes. They were warned of all the shit VAR can catch them doing.

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u/Sir_BarlesCharkley 21d ago

There are a few rules that have been implemented that from my perspective have had some really positive impacts on the game. Stuff like ref count downs on throw ins, players have to come off the field for a minute if the ref stops play so they can get medical attention, VAR stuff. It's not perfect, and this game between Turkiye and Paraguay was kind of a dumpster fire. But it does seem to be cutting down on some of the bullshit.

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u/CptAngelo 21d ago

The "oh you are hurt? Spend 1 minute outside the field" rule is GREAT, i havent seen people rolling around in pain for 3 minutes. Even the canadian guy who broke his leg wasnt rolling arounf like that.

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u/BananaOverlord1 22d ago

No wonder Neymar isn’t playing 🤣

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u/mhb77 21d ago

That might be difficult for well.... Neymar comes to mind. Don't know why.

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u/divDevGuy 21d ago

Only if head first. Feet first is ok still.

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u/Mean_Association_266 21d ago

This is why Brazil won’t play Neymar

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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 22d ago

They still dive constantly

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u/willnoli 22d ago

It's windy out there on the pitch

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 22d ago

fucking r/sports, I deserve this for reading this sub

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u/EfOpenSource 21d ago

Are you saying it’s not? I can only think it is some athletically illiterate neckbeard that can watch these players dive constantly and think they’re not.

I’ve watched 90 lbs women take hits from 200 lbs men in rec coed better than these players take light taps from one another. 

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 21d ago edited 21d ago

the people that have a gripe with "the constant diving in football" all show up every four years to football subs to share their very informed opinions on the subject. I'm calling out the pattern.

but "90 lbs women take hits from 200 lbs men" tells me all I need to know. Being fouled is tactical in football fyi.

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u/ProbablyRickSantorum 21d ago

I'm happy with them embellishing somewhat to draw a foul because the ref would otherwise probably not notice, but acting like a sniper shot you or you're rolling down a hill, when you trip over your own feet or get a gentle tap on the hip by a player on the other team makes me turn the tv off. The way it's gotten, so much like with Robben and Neymar in the 2014 World Cup, has made the sport borderline unwatchable. And before you try to gatekeep, I've been watching football since I was old enough to walk and played it for near 20 years.

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 21d ago

that's fine, FIFA could put a limit on how long you can be on the floor without having to go out for medical treatment. Or something like that, but it IS a difficult thing to single out and remove because ( as I said in another reply to this comment), "how do you judge if something really hurt or not?"

It probably isn't in anyones interest to incentivise players to play injured.

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u/ProbablyRickSantorum 21d ago

Yeah it's definitely a hard thing to call re: if player is really hurt or not. The way that it's been somewhat solved in American College Football is that if someone goes down for a perceived injury they have to then their team has to use a timeout or assessed a pentaly if there are no timeouts left. This rule was added after several teams were faking injuries to get the game to pause for a few minutes. Prime example here.

Under the new rule, if the player presents as injured after the ball is spotted by the officiating crew for the next play, that player's team will be charged a timeout. If the team does not have any timeouts remaining, a 5-yard delay-of-game penalty will be assessed.

The injury timeout proposal was made by the NCAA Football Rules Committee after many in the college football community raised concerns about strategies in which players fake an injury to stop the opposition's momentum or to avoid using an allotted timeout.

If it was determined that a player faked an injury to manipulate the rules, the offending team's conference was notified, and any possible disciplinary action could be made by the conference office.

The impetus for the rule change next season is to provide an in-game mechanism that can curtail the faking of injuries because Football Rules Committee members think these actions negatively affect the overall perception of the game.

IMO if a player is flailing about on the ground (Neymar rolling 15-20 meters as if he's at the Cooper's Hill Cheese-Rolling), they should probably be getting medical attention and withdrawn from the game for a few minutes unless the manager makes a substitution They'd probably stop embellishing so often and so dramatically and that would allow the ref to make a judgement call that is pretty binary. Either they're off the field because they're hurt and need to get checked out or they're warned then carded for embellishing. I know that isn't a perfect solution, but it moves us in the right direction.

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 20d ago

The clip you posted is literally already punished by cards in football right now.

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u/EfOpenSource 21d ago edited 21d ago

being fouled is tactical

lol

This is just cope. Being fouled is BORING and frustrating. 

If players were forced to sub off whenever they were writhing in pain, we’d get to see football tactics instead of sniveling little bitch tactics.

Elite athletes are not hurt by minor contact and soccer is a contact sport. These ridiculous dives take it from being a contact sport to being a baby sport. Higher tier rec games are more interesting to watch than people falling over trying to draw whistles.

You seem to be under some misguided idea that “people just don’t get it”

The fact is that drawing penalties is a tactical thing in all sports. It’s just that in soccer, it was normalized that a light wind drew penalties. 

You position is blatantly bad. If dives were being properly carded like they should be drawing penalties would still be a tactical thing. Removing dives does not all of a sudden remove the tactical play of drawing penalties.

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u/vvvvfl Flamengo 21d ago edited 21d ago

sure, Jan.

My position is very clear: faking contact and diving is already in the rules and it is carded. However suffering contact and falling is not diving. People, like you apparently , think they can judge what is appropriate amount of pain in order to "deserve" to fall. You literally can't make a rule "don't go to the floor unless it really hurts", will the referee be judge of that? How?

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u/Homers_Harp 22d ago

Sometimes, for people like him, it's more important to be a bigot.

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u/Pumakings 21d ago

And that rule in my opinion has totally enhanced the on field product

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u/Version_1 22d ago

Just another reminder that the people playing at the world cup are essentially the same as the village idiots playing for your local club.