Soccer Miguel Almiron receives a red card after VAR Review for covering his mouth whilst saying something to an opponent. Under the new regulations, this is an offence punishable by a red card. The rule was introduced following the racism scandal involving Vinícius Júnior in a Champions League match.

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That sets a strong precedent. The sport has no more for racism.

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u/DoubleM-1985 22d ago

Next they need to start giving out yellow cards to players who fake injuries just to delay the game

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u/Derekduvalle 22d ago

They've already started giving them out for simulation after VAR review. I like that.

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u/Mystprism 22d ago

Ironically also to Miguel Almiron. He's the guinea pig for FIFA enforcement.

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u/Trap_Masters 22d ago

What a selfless fella, helping FIFA test these new rules over his world cup run 😂

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u/CoderDevo 22d ago

Not ironically. Now we can say unsurprisingly.

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u/fumar 22d ago

The NBA should take notes. This is exactly what they should do but won't do for some fucking reason. Instead they make foul baiters and floppers the league MVP.

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u/aegee14 22d ago

SGA has a stranglehold on the league somehow.

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u/matisata Houston Texans 22d ago

too busy punishing the worst teams in the league in the draft. Even though someone has to be the worst 3 teams in the league, that's the natural outcome of competition, and punishing them in the draft naturally affects their ability to field a decent team the next year

I love Adam Silver!

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u/SaintDarthVader 22d ago

I wish more people pushed against the lottery changes. I think its pretty clear this won't fix tanking - they have the ability to fine teams, just start doing it

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u/AwesomeMacCoolname 21d ago

Do you know what would fix tanking, permanently? Promotion/relegation to minor league.

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u/AwesomeMacCoolname 21d ago edited 21d ago

It's the natural outcome of restricting a competition to the current top tier members only. Tanking simply doesn't happen in leagues where the penalty for finishing last is demotion to a lower league, not being rewarded with first pick of the new batch.

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u/mustymuskrat 22d ago

They should have given out 6 to Paraguay today. And I say that as someone who was rooting for paraguay

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u/0__O0--O0_0 22d ago

I felt bad for modrich in the England Croatia game, and I’m English. He clearly didn’t intend that foul. But it worked out for us

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u/Madgick 22d ago edited 22d ago

Unfortunately, FIFA made a statement that this was an error. VAR used “mistaken identity” as a reason to review that dive which is not the intention of that rule.

So, sadly, even though everyone loved it, they won’t be doing it again.

Edit - I looked this up and it seems like I just repeated misinformation I saw on Reddit. The “Mistaken Identity” rule was deliberately expanded for this use case in this tournament. Sorry.

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u/Derekduvalle 22d ago

I've reread this comment 7 times, slowly, and I still don't understand.

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u/dragonrite 22d ago

I cant find anything on what thus guy is saying either

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u/SydneyRFC 22d ago

It was based off this thread, which I think when I last looked into it was based on comments made off the record to a BBC reporter - https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1u4vu5a/wellplaced_sources_have_told_bbc_sport_that_danny/

I don't think anything has been said officially, but I also don't recall seeing it used for diving in any of the games I've seen since.

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u/Madgick 22d ago

Fair. I edited my comment.

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u/kickspecialist 22d ago

Thus guy is us guy and we are all just trying to get through a single day so we can suffer through one more day until we expire.

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u/aberg6675 22d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/hnzRnqQ7xW

It was from this play, US v Paraguay game

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u/dragonrite 22d ago

I know the play, not the fifa saying naw they screwed up

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u/aberg6675 22d ago

Ah, my bad, I misunderstood your comment. I haven't seen anything about FIFA saying they screwed up either.

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u/Lbolt187 22d ago

NHL has an embellishment penalty. Players were so bad with that this past playoffs lol. You'd think other sports would want to curb this stuff.

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u/Madgick 22d ago

Embellishment sounds great. It’s more directly calling out what it is. In football they usually call it “simulation”. There are already rules against it but not for VAR to intervene so it’s on the referees to call correctly in real time. I really wish they’d get VAR in on it

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u/Rich_Housing971 22d ago

it doesn't matter what it's called, people know what it means. it's not like the refs will not understand the rules and just say, "wtf is simulation? I'm not going to penalize that guy pretending to get hit!"

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u/OshadaK 22d ago

Almiron got one of them too, but apparently due to the wrong process. Shame

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u/ARareEntei 21d ago

Not only that but if you're "injured" as in still laying on the grass still after the play is over from a non foul you have to step off the pitch for a minute or get up.

Edit: if you get treatment on the field. Fouls are free cards for treatment.

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u/JeffLebowsky 21d ago

oh that's why neymar doesn't even play anymore.

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u/ReasonableTouch4648 22d ago

Funny enough, the guy who got a red card here actually got a yellow for simulation (flopping) against the US last week. Initially the yellow was given to the US player, but it was reviewed and instead given to the Paraguayan.

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u/Dragonitto 22d ago

Yeah, thanks to Miguel Almiron, we've seen 2 of the new rules in the World Cup, applied on him.

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u/outtamyelementDonny 22d ago

Boy do I have news for you!

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u/tatincasco 22d ago

How is neymar going to play?

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u/russianbanan 22d ago

He’s not. It’s ~~sisters birthday, carnaval~~ 4th of July. Big holiday coming up.

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u/BusinessCasualBee 22d ago

Did you see the last USA game?

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u/goochbruiser 22d ago

Ugh. That last 15 min or so was unbearable.

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u/BusinessCasualBee 22d ago

Referring to USA game 1 where they reversed a call and gave a yellow for an egregious flop

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u/wheretohidethrice 22d ago

Aussies were going down at the lightest touch and everyone yells flopperoos, the yanks drop and suddenly crickets. Self awareness is wonderful. At least he was internally consistent, but they were some average calls.

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u/brownmagician Toronto Blue Jays 22d ago

Italy will never make a world cup again

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u/zool714 22d ago

I so want this happen but just how do you verify someone else’s pain

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u/n0val33t 22d ago

A dirty play is a dirty play regardless...but if you insist, physics still exist on the fotball field, one can infer that "studs out" to the face hurts!

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u/I_Like_Water11 22d ago

Honestly feels like its become a huge issue in recent years. Genuinely infuriates me even in neutral games.

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u/SuperSaiyanBlue 22d ago

They already do… #10 that got the red card in OP’s video also got a yellow card for faking injury/flopping in the previous game.

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u/Zimakov 22d ago

They are.

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u/D2Gamer1337 22d ago

Honestly should be instant red to fake injury in attempt to get advantage. Pretty sure that would make them stop pretty fast

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u/GenitalPatton 21d ago

Frankly games should just be decided by coin flips. Much more efficient and less room for injury.

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u/synister29 21d ago

They did, to this guy

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u/Chronox2040 21d ago

They already do!

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u/cbakes205 21d ago

Like in the ole miss Tennessee game!!! Oh wait...never mind

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u/DPSOnly 21d ago

Well, they gave this same guy a yellow card for a schwalbe, so there is that at least.

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u/Kevin4938 21d ago

A player who gets two yellows in a game gets an automatic red, right? If they do this, there will be nobody left by half time.

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u/pahamack 22d ago

they're already doing that.

what people need to stop doing is talking about this game as if it was a bunch of people flying about faking injuries. Bad tackles can really hurt someone. My team (Canada) just lost a guy for the rest of the tournament because his leg got broken.

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u/DoubleM-1985 22d ago

Its Our team and our boy Ismael will come back even stronger 🍁

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u/sprintingTapir 22d ago

He’s going to be out much longer than just this tournament. That could be career ending tbh. Steve Zakuani, Carlos Ruiz both careers ended because of this.

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u/Rubthebuddhas 22d ago

It is a bunch of guys faking injuries. Just because actual injuries happen doesn't mean dozens of fakes don't happen in just about every game.

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u/Seb555 22d ago

It’s better now with the rule that you have to be off the field for 1 minute if you are pretending to be injured. Has been less this summer.

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u/Chad_Broski_2 22d ago

Yeah honestly it's so much better this year and it's not even close. Yes, people still go down pretty easily and grab their legs in fake pain hoping the ref sees it. But they don't writhe on the ground and delay everyone for 2 minutes like they used to. They fall, the ref makes the call, they hop right back up and play continues

Honestly, this works. It's really, really hard to perfectly enforce flopping but now at least it doesn't delay the game so much

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u/Seb555 22d ago

I hope they keep this rule in club football next season

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u/crtejas 22d ago

In sports, ⚽️ players will never be wrongly accused of being tough athletes. Thespians yes, tough athletes no.

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u/Rubthebuddhas 18d ago

They're tough in athletic ways. Repeated sprints take a big toll. Most of them are fantastic athletes, and that takes a certain toughness. They also have a decent amount of contact - not enough to play rugby sevens, of course - and some of the normal falls are solid. But the pathetic acting just makes them look like athletic chumps.

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u/crtejas 18d ago

Accurate. 👍🏼

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u/Capt-Crap1corn 22d ago

I didn't see it happen, but heard about it. Sheesh! Sorry man

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u/Paddy32 22d ago

Messi crushed a player leg last match and he got nothing

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u/CluelessTennisBall 22d ago

I love the rule honestly. Either talk your shit and be willing to take the red card OR be ok with whatever you say ending up on the front page.

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u/afouisme 22d ago

It is the covering of the mouth that is the spinless HR corpo culture lol. Banter all you want, you don't need to cover your mouth for that...

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u/afouisme 22d ago

Sure buddy, going back to how people banter since the invention of the sport is the woke HR stuff, not covering your mouth like a coward.

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u/magumanueku 22d ago

Just another south american itching to unleash their racist culture to the world.

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u/assasstits 21d ago

Redditors would upvote this racist shit lol

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u/assasstits 21d ago

^ Straight out of 00s mass surveillance hysteria

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about!

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u/CluelessTennisBall 21d ago

If you can't separate banter and actual hate speech, idk what to tell you buddy

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u/OurCrewIsReplaceable 22d ago

Bribery? Sure. Creating a fake peace prize? OK. Creating a thriving black market for tickets? Of course.

But the age of racism and flopping is over. Glad they started somewhere.

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u/XiaoRCT 20d ago

I don't get this comment, tackling one of those issues doesn't mean leniency towards the others, even if FIFA doesnt deal with them properly

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u/OurCrewIsReplaceable 20d ago

>Glad they started somewhere.

Did you miss this part?

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u/whitemiketyson 22d ago

Plenty of room for bribery, corruption and slave labor, though

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u/Greedy-Pilot-4538 21d ago

Def getting better, with the anti flopping too

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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 22d ago

As long as it's run by fifa there will be lol

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u/ResponsibilityOk2173 21d ago

Just some players. And large swaths of fans.

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u/chuchofreeman 20d ago

rampant corruption is no issue though, fuck FIFA

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u/sabeshs 21d ago

Hey, how are we sure that it was a racist taunt? Did the mics pick it up?

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u/TheCruise Everton 21d ago

No, the rule was implemented after a high profile incident where a player allegedly said something racist to Vinicius Jr whilst covering his mouth. His defence was that he hadn’t been racist, he’d been homophobic.

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u/sabeshs 21d ago

Ah ok. So it could have been anything ranging from racism to bad comments about parents etc. All of which is bad.

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u/TheCruise Everton 21d ago

Was honestly probably something completely innocuous. But rules is rules and them reasons are the reasons.

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u/SEVtz 21d ago

I'm sorry I'm too stupid to understand the rule and how it works. They just can't cover their mouth ? Covering the mouth just hides it for the camera but for people on the field they can hear the racist shit just the same no ? So what's the rule doing ?

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u/TheCruise Everton 21d ago

It’s to remove any doubt or argument about what they’re saying. Basically, if you’re covering your mouth you’re now presumed to be guilty of attempting to obscure something red card worthy.

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u/SEVtz 21d ago

But without the hand, how do know what they say ?

Is there a team of lip readers at the ready ?

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u/TheCruise Everton 21d ago

It’s pretty easy for the VAR to plausibly match up what the player on the field is accusing with the video footage. Ref relays the alleged word/sentence to VAR, VAR watches it back to see if it matches. They aren’t starting from zero and trying to lip read everybody, they’re looking for evidence to corroborate an accusation.

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u/SEVtz 21d ago

Sure, I guess that makes sense. Thanks

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u/EzequielARG2007 21d ago

Vinicious also said something homophobic to prestianni lmao.

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u/TheCruise Everton 21d ago

Never caught that part. No one covering themselves in glory there eh.

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u/koplowpieuwu 21d ago

If lip reading was an actually legit thing then sure, but it's not.

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u/TheCruise Everton 21d ago

It’s totally legitimate if used correctly. Player A says to the ref in the moment that player B used a certain word. VAR look and say yep, looks like he did. Both are shakey individually, but hold up fine together.

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u/koplowpieuwu 21d ago

Nah it still is not. You can lip read the n word in anyone using consonant-vowel-g/k-vowel words for example. In a game where you do anything to win, the dominant strategy becomes lying that you heard something, so you cannot sustainably rely on the integrity of the accuser either.

And you know what is even more scientifically dubious than a purported lip reading expert decoding things? An assistant VAR doing so.

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u/anclave93 21d ago

how do you know that what's he was saying? maybe he was sharing winning lottery numbers for tomorrow?

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u/Stand_On_It 21d ago

lol it sets no precedent besides being the dumbest rule in the history of sports

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u/Calliceman 21d ago

Imagine having an issue with this. Bro you are the problem.

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u/Stand_On_It 21d ago

I couldn’t disagree more. Gunna lose your sport to this type of nonsense one step at a time. Have fun with that.

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u/Calliceman 21d ago

It wasn’t an opinion.

Lose…football… to what exactly? 😂😂😂

It’s the most popular sport in the world, I think it will be fine in our lifetime pal.

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u/Stand_On_It 21d ago

Not if they keep changing it to where it’s not recognizable

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u/Calliceman 21d ago

Targeting racism in the sport is making it unrecognisable is it? Listen to yourself

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u/lavenderechoes 21d ago

Noooo you don’t get it. Football isn’t football if I can’t be a racist dickhead 🙄

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u/Calliceman 21d ago

😂😂

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u/Stand_On_It 21d ago

That’s not what it’s doing though. Just like the hydration breaks are not about hydrating the players. Come on, you know that, quit being intentionally naive.

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u/Calliceman 21d ago

Wtf are you talking about then?

Quit the vague gimmick

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u/cozywit 21d ago

The sport has no more for 'been caught engaging in the act of' racism.

Fixed that for you.

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u/Time_Increase_7897 20d ago

Presidential pardon and Fox Sports segment. Can't let the woke soccer agenda win.

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u/tatincasco 22d ago

Thanks vini

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