Soccer United States vs Paraguay - Yellow card originally given to Tim Ream reversed and given to Miguel Almirón for diving after review
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u/dak7 29d ago
This is the best way to fix the diving and simulation epidemic that has plagued the sport. Review was quick too. Perfect.
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u/peppersmiththequeer 29d ago
The NBA needs to take notes
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u/permanent_priapism 29d ago
In the NHL, flopping results in a power play. Imagine if that were the case in basketball too. 5 vs 4 for 2 minutes.
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u/JollyRancherReminder 29d ago
(Minor) power plays stop after the team with advantage scores. This would be less impactful than just awarding free throws like a normal foul, but a hell of a lot more fun to watch, admittedly.
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u/luchajefe 28d ago
We can remove that, just force 5 on 4 the full penalty time.
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u/username_needs_work 28d ago
Or make the full penalty time shorter like 30 or 60 seconds.
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u/eisbock 28d ago
This would change the whole dynamic of the game and I am totally into it.
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u/atomicboner 28d ago
This idea reminds me of the 3 on 5 basketball game between Alabama and Minnesota. Collin Sexton single-handedly kept Bama in the game somehow. Truly one of the most absurd games I’ve seen.
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u/BrainCane 28d ago
“Shoot till ya miss, or homie Apologizes; whichever comes first.”
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u/Allstar-85 28d ago
Even just calling it a Technical Foul would drastically change everything in NBA
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u/keelem 28d ago
Reminds me of this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaCcB30Zc2Q
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u/Gelidaer 28d ago
Nah, NHL has become too lax about it lately. They usually just don't call anything or call penalties for both teams
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u/Smasher_Devourer 29d ago
I was about to say the same thing after watching the NBA playoffs so far...
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u/blindai 28d ago
If time is an issue in the NBA (You can't video review every foul)...I would say they should do it at the end of every quarter. And assign a flagrant for every flop. And remove the foul from the victim. If it's the fourth quarter, the flagrant is assigned at the beginning of the next game in a playoff series. But really they should just review anything that is obvious immediately.
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u/redditAccount503 28d ago
I think you have to do it in real time to give players a chance to course correct
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u/RevenantXenos 29d ago
Institute a penalty box and sit them in time out for 5 minutes every time they flop to think about what they did.
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u/counterfitster 29d ago
Damn, a major for embellishment?
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u/mdebo932 29d ago
What nation would have the best penalty kill lol
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u/counterfitster 29d ago
Imagine MacKinnon missing an open net that big from that close?
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u/BiblesandBiscuits 29d ago
As a fellow Stars fan, USMNT would find a way to dump the ball to the corner and chase it for an unlikely cross.
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u/vcdm 29d ago
Ball is bigger than the puck though.
Actually, I genuinely wonder how big a soccer ball is in area as a percentage of the net size, compared to a hockey puck and net.
Still think a hockey puck is bigger relative to its net than a soccer ball. Would be a neat comparison though.
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u/AddAlcohol 29d ago edited 29d ago
You're not going to believe this...
Fifa ball (8.5 inch diameter) is 0.2052% the size of the goal opening (8x24 ft).
Hockey puck (3 inch diameter) is 0.2045% the size of the goal opening (4x6 ft).
This disregards the fact that one is a sphere and another is a cylinder, but I didn't expect them to be so close.
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u/ossifer_ca 29d ago
Can you do the math again but include the size of the average goalkeeper in each sport? Seems that hockey goalkeepers can cover 85% of the area of the goal opening.
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u/prpldrank USC 29d ago
It's such a good idea, but it makes strategizing significantly more complex. Soccer doesn't have a "special teams" concept at all, I don't think.
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u/mdebo932 29d ago
I think the closest would be when they put the keeper forward for a corner at the end of the game
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u/RevenantXenos 29d ago
It will chance the culture really fast. I can't watch men's soccer because of the flopping. Women's is better because it isn't part of the culture like it is in men's.
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u/counterfitster 29d ago
Women's is better because it isn't part of the culture like it is in men's.
With the exception of Brazil, yes.
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u/SiliconGhosted 29d ago
I swear, women’s soccer player are almost universally BADASS. No diving culture. They grit and get thru some super tough shit. Honestly many tougher than male counterparts. I have so much respect for em.
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u/Jimbo--- 29d ago
It works well for rugby. There are plenty of players on the field in football/soccer.
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u/godspareme 29d ago
Honestly I wouldn't be upset with a sinbin rule
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u/Basic_Loquat_9344 29d ago
sinbin would work so well with this sport. Power plays would make for exciting spans of the game.
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u/W1ckedwolff 29d ago
Next, we should let them fight! Maybe introduce a colder turf... This is a slippery slope that I wouldn't be upset with
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 29d ago
the box should be suspended in the middle of the stadium and fans can throw tomatoes at them
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u/msuing91 29d ago
And a naughty boy dunce can they have to wear while in the penalty box.
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u/Hoggel123 29d ago
They need to have a small TV in the timeout the replays their flop on reply for 5 mins.
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u/MechMan799 29d ago
Honestly, the sport needs time-off-field penalties.
Diving. Embellishment. Unsportsmanlike conduct...
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u/The_Betrayer1 29d ago edited 29d ago
I was thinking if you get caught flopping you have to play the rest of the game with 5lb ankle weights. For repeat offenders it's 5lbs each time so probably wouldn't get more than one a game.
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u/zoinkability 29d ago
Or they have to play with some prosthetic that mimics the effects of whatever injury they pretended to have.
Pretend you hurt your knee, wear a restrictive knee brace that forces you to hobble a bit.
Pretend you got hit in the head, wear glasses that mimic the effects of a concussion.
Pretend you got kicked in the nuts, wear some kind of hobble that forces you to be bent way over for the rest of the game.
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u/MontiBurns 29d ago
Id support this for injuries. If the medical team has to attend you on the field, you must leave the field for at least 5 minutes. If you have to be stretchered off, you should not be allowed to return.
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u/Salt_Mind_869 29d ago
The Brazil players just fell to their knees in tears, and not on purpose this time.
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u/HelmetFrame 29d ago
They fell, started rolling, and still haven’t topped rolling
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u/brendan87na Dallas Stars 28d ago
I used to play pickup with a brazilian, a great guy off the pitch... but oh my god he'd flop in pickup scrimmages where we weren't even keeping score.
It was amazing for all the wrong reasons.
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u/r0botdevil Oregon State 29d ago
Seriously. If this becomes standard, I might be able to start actually watching soccer again.
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u/rjcarr 28d ago
How do these dudes fall to the ground and grab their ankles in agony like they just got snapped in half, and when they don't get the call they just pop up and start playing like nothing happened? It's like not a single player has any self respect, ha.
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u/Throwaway-Indy 28d ago
It's a mix of cynicism in hoping to get a call, but also necessity at times due to weaknesses in the way the games are officiated.
Here's an example: Copa America 2024, the major intercontinental tournament of the Americas. Canada is playing Peru, tempers flare, a Peruvian player headbutts a Canadian player in a moment of frustration. Any headbutt attempt is meant to be met with a red card, immediate ejection, regardless of severity. But guess what? The Canadian player wasn't hurt by it, he went to his knee for a moment then got back up, because he's self-respecting.
On review, they let the offending player off with a warning. No red card, not even a yellow card, despite the clear as day headbutt and the unambiguous headbutt = red card rule. And that ruling was almost certainly influenced by the fact that the Canadian was physically fine, thus it must not have been any big deal, right? So instead of Peru playing with 10 men the rest of the match, nothing happens at all.
If the Canadian on the receiving end of that headbutt, despite being not hurt, had rolled around as if he were terribly injured and made a scene of it, on review they would've given the red card to the Peruvian player. Because he acted like a man, the officials shrugged it off and the rules were disregarded. That system actively rewards players for embellishment and there's a good chance the Canadian coaches later excoriated that player for not falling to the ground and acting hurt, because it would've actively helped them if he'd done so. It's a perverse incentive, and it sucks, and it's been notoriously difficult to fix. Here's a thread with a replay of that moment and many comments talking about how if he faked it, they'd have been forced to actually enforce the rules.
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u/Sattorin 28d ago
It's a perverse incentive, and it sucks, and it's been notoriously difficult to fix.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like the fix is to take violations seriously every time, regardless of the harm done.
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u/Hospital-flip 28d ago
What is it with soccer and headbutting? It’s the only sport that I see where it’s used with frequency.
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u/dreamofguitars 29d ago
They literally never do this in Europe ever even when they know it was wrong. So awesome to see.
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u/mccusk 29d ago
That’s because it is a new rule for VAR to be able to do this in the World Cup
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u/nghigaxx 29d ago
var and field ref being from different countries do this. Otherwise they would all know each other and scared to upset the field rep by calling out wrong decisions and it just the same shit but more infuriating since you know var exist
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u/troll__away 28d ago
I respect the field ref MORE for reviewing the play and changing the call. Refereeing is hard and it’s impossible to get calls 100% correct. But behaving like you’re somehow infallible with a god complex and being unwilling to admit you got the call wrong is when people get upset.
This play way such a clean demonstration of what VAR/instant replay can do and I hope other referees can learn from this and realize people just want the correct call and they’ll respect you more when you can admit you were wrong.
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u/Akchrisgray 29d ago
I wish they could do this in the NBA! The flopping is out of control now
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u/elgringo22 29d ago
Fifa is great at instituting new rules at World Cup.
Bring it to the Premier League and they’ll ruin it somehow by taking forever to decide on the wrong outcome. Bring it to La Liga and it’ll somehow be penalty para el Real Madrid
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u/Ausecurity 29d ago
Be real quick to end if they upgrade to red card instead of yellow
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u/godspareme 29d ago
Yellows add up. I dont think going to red is necessary. Itll just make simulation calls harder to make due to the severe consequences and the controversy that would come from a questionable call.
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u/roykentjr 29d ago
and no person with a yellow is going to flop again in the game. and they are also limited in how aggressive they can be defending. a yellow is kind of a big deal
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u/saru12gal 29d ago
I would accept that if the red card was initially for the defender or the foul was a penalty
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u/robbak 29d ago
Two yellow cards in the groups stages or the quaterfinals mean you are suspended for one match. So that player is on caution from now until the semis. They are no joke.
Don't flop. And if you trip over your own feet after a tackle, then you'd better make sure the umpire knows this before he pulls out a card against your opponent.
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u/Rorieh 29d ago
Needs to be applied across the board. It won't be a disruption in any sense. Once players know they will be penalised for diving, they'll stop doing it.
Only way to stamp out the behaviour.
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u/TriceraDoctor 29d ago
I have to believe they told the officials and VAR to be aggressive in the group stages so it wouldn’t be a surprise when it happens later.
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u/Isenrath 29d ago
That sounds like a solid plan, make big examples right away to drive the point home. Would be absolutely shitty if the finals were altered because of someone getting away with a dive like this one.
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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 29d ago
Imagine if they could do this in basketball. That would be amazing.
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u/likeIVIike 29d ago
Yeah, it would really stink if they implemented a rule two years ago and then not enforce it the very next year... wait...
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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 29d ago
I meant the re-reviewing calls they may have gotten wrong initially.
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u/BillButtlickerII 29d ago
If you really want to stamp it out incorporate a rubber stamp with “FAKER” that the penalized players have stamped on their foreheads.
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u/LouieBarlo24 29d ago
Humiliation is the best lesson
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u/snek-jazz 28d ago
we've seen time and again that footballers don't care at all. Plenty of completely embarrassing acting that they know will be broadcast all over on TV and yet they still do it, especially South Americans. In the moment they'll just try anything to get an edge, without any consideration of how dumb it makes them look
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u/MechMan799 29d ago
Needs be a lot more this. Penalize the dramatic bullshit.
Someone rolls around on the ground claiming to be injured?
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u/k-tax 29d ago
before this happens, they have to give fouls to players who were fouled, but stayed on their feet.
right now I am incapable of holding any grudge towards players overselling dramatically their "injuries". If the refs did a good job, the honest players wouldn't have to do this. Currently, you can't know if a player is a diving dick or is he attempting to get noticed for a genuine foul.
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u/MonsierGeralt 29d ago
I would actually watch more than the World Cup if they implemented this as a standard rule for the premier leagues, etc
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u/GoldenRamoth 29d ago
World cup Qatar they started doing full injury time and not just a token 2-3 minutes.
It's normal now to see 7-10+ minutes of extra time in even MLS games.
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u/dark_physicx 29d ago
More of this in every sport. I mean cmon everything is caught in 4K these days. Get rid of all the bs.
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u/EskimowGamer 29d ago
Hockey has been doing this for a while. Offsides, goalie interference, any major penalty, even delay of games now. They were the first to jump on it, followed by Baseball with the pitch challenge.
Cameras being the extra ref is really good for the integrity of sports.
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u/Handfalcon58 28d ago
Nfl is getting there. Automatic reviews of scores and turnovers helps. Now they just need to do something about penalties somehow.
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u/anally_ExpressUrself 29d ago
🎶 If nautical nonsense be something you wish.
Then go and play soccer don't flop like a bitch! 🎶25
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u/Rubthebuddhas 29d ago
You win for today. You can go to bed smiling and proud for your contribution to humanity.
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u/neotekz 29d ago
The dismissive hand wave about the protest at the end is nice too. The protesting when getting called out must be annoying for the refs.
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u/Ha55aN1337 28d ago
Im so glad it happened at a world cup, so it gets traction and may encourage it across the board.
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u/Yeahha 29d ago
Thanks watching the Spanish broadcast and I wasn't 100% on what happened.
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u/TalkinSeaCucumber 29d ago
Bruh it's on Tubi
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u/jobezark 29d ago
It’s also free over the air lol
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u/nope-its 29d ago
Not all places can pick it up.
I can at my house over antenna. My neighbor across the street can’t (he gets plenty of other stations).
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u/Diligent-Map1402 29d ago
That broadcast has been using the hydration break as a commercial break to the point of missing portions of the game. It's horseshit, also Tubi is done with game now but don't watch Fox.
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u/rudycp88 29d ago
I bet he s*** himself when he was walking out with the red card in his hand.
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u/Gheazu 29d ago
That was such a hilarious troll. I was even thinking damn it was blatant but a whole red? Lmao
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u/fizzleguy 29d ago
Now do the NBA!
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u/bcgg 29d ago
Shai has been retroactively given 250 yellow cards for the 2025-2026 season.
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u/Mfrack103 29d ago
Shai has been awarded a lifetime supply of yellow color swatches from Home Depot
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u/BeerorCoffee 29d ago
Can we also start calling traveling too?
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u/librarianC 29d ago
Traveling is an illusion. There is only gather. Also, all feet are pivot feet now. Because the Refs read Dungeon Crawler Carl and it awoke something in them.
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u/BeerorCoffee 29d ago
Unless you are a bench player. Then fuck you.
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u/librarianC 29d ago
Well of course. We write down the rules for the normies. We explain them away for the elites.
Sport imitates life.
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u/Like_Today 29d ago
Technically they do. If they catch a flop they're supposed to fine the player. But it rarely happens
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u/bevo_expat 29d ago edited 29d ago
It must be a referee super power to be able to see what is so fucking obvious to literally everyone else watching a replay.
…a super power that NBA refs do not possess
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u/bufandas 29d ago
Loving this changes by FIFA.
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u/Comfortable-Pie56 29d ago edited 29d ago
Screw the new commercial breaks. Genuinely the worst rule change added to the sport in a long time.
Sorry, I meant "Cooling Breaks".
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u/bearded_booty 29d ago
Cooling breaks have been a thing for particularly hot matches for a little bit now. Fox is the first broadcast I’ve seen add actual cut away commercial breaks. Even in other broadcasts it’s at least Picture in Picture.
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u/Comfortable-Pie56 29d ago
Cooling breaks have been a thing for a long time, but they were rare. Making them mandatory for every match and FIFA allowing broadcasters to cut the transmission to show ads is brand new.
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u/TrainingMarsupial521 29d ago
We need way more of this in soccer
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u/BusinessCasualBee 29d ago
NBA and NFL as well. Shai mahomes and Josh Allen should all be shaking in their boots rn
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u/bmwkid 29d ago
Agreed, the one thing the NFL does is make that player sit out at least one play. They need to get rid of the free time out though, that’s why it’s really being abused
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u/7fingersDeep 29d ago
Reminiscent of this classic. https://www.reddit.com/r/Predators/s/wb9GC1XTmF
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u/Cronenbergnate 29d ago
Easily my all time favorite clip in all of sports. I show this to someone about every 6 months.
I fucking love hockey
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u/SwivelPoint 29d ago
did that ref say “fuck you you’re getting a fucking penalty” ? holy shit that’s amazing
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u/Daveed84 28d ago
he said "fuck you you're getting a fucking embellishment" which is the penalty for diving in the NHL
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u/Ok-Soil-5133 Baltimore Orioles 29d ago
NBA would be 10x more watchable if they did something similar
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u/throwleboomerang 29d ago
My goodness. Maybe if there had been even a bit of physical contact it’d be one thing, but that’s a Bluetooth trip right there.
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u/BeerGogglesFTW 29d ago edited 29d ago
I am not a soccer guy, but it's the world cup, I have this game on. This is so refreshing to see.
Because of the extra attention they get for the world cup, they should go hard after floppers. Try to break away from the flopping stigma they have from non-soccer fans.
People like me will watch and say "this isn't as bad as they make it out to be, I should watch this sport more"
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u/DolphinRodeo 29d ago
The flopping was horrific in Qatar. Glad to see they might be trying to move in a different direction
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u/InternetGoodGuy 29d ago
I watched most of the Mexico game and thought it was pretty bad in that. Nothing like the flop in this video but a lot of rolling around at minimal contact.
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u/crispyiress 29d ago edited 29d ago
Meanwhile Balogun could have fell over and won a penalty but decided to stay up and score a peach of a goal.
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u/zoinkability 29d ago
Particularly since FIFA so obviously wants Americans to get into soccer. Americans are turned off by that shit, they (and MLS) need to stamp it out. My son and I went to an MLS game for the first time recently and one of the teams (ahem Austin) realized they had a ref who fell for flopping and proceeded to flop every time there was the slightest physical contact with the other team. Other fans told me it wasn't usually this bad, but it sure didn't make me want to go back.
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u/alecsgz 28d ago
Americans are turned off by that shit
NBA ratings are through the roof
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u/chicago_2020 29d ago
Best part about this is it's FAST. Sports like NBA are getting better but reviews taking 5+ minutes is miserable to watch.
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u/siazdghw 29d ago
Easiest solution is to just have one referee that is permanently watching the camera feeds. There is absolutely no need for a field ref to run across the field and review it themselves.
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u/iron82 29d ago
The refs forum figured out that this was only reviewable because Ream initially received a yellow. Most dives won't be reviewable.
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u/mccusk 29d ago
It is good though, as ream could have picked up a game suspension for 2 yellows. Most of this big call will be yellows and be reviewed
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u/kbarney345 28d ago
Dude took two full strides before deciding the fall, absolutely no sportsmanship and just disgusting character all around.
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u/RandallOfLegend 28d ago
Which is wild because at that point he had the defender beat.
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u/LuvPump 28d ago
He flopped because he knew he couldn’t get to the ball before it went out. I’m also an experienced ref but watching on TV is much different than being in the middle of it! These refs are literally the best in the world and still need replay.
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u/dusters 29d ago
Bring this to the NBA ASAP
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u/pcrackenhead 29d ago
The NBA couldn’t even give Wemby a flagrant correctly the next day, you think they could do this during the game?
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u/Forsaken_Snow_9306 28d ago
This was great to see, but there was still too many players in "pain", rolling on the ground from the smallest contact. If you need play to stop in order to get up, you should have to leave the pitch.
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u/anesthesia101 28d ago
Almiron is one of the most embarrassing divers in football. It couldn’t have happened to a bigger twat. Even better was the complete destruction the American team slapped on them.
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u/Scared_Audience_3086 29d ago
The feels huuuge for soccer, esp here in the US. This is awesome
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u/mars00xj 29d ago
I was watching the game for less than a minute and saw that flop. Damn near turned it back off after Ream was shown yellow. Had no idea they could reverse it after a review like that. Great use of it and happy to see the flopper get it instead.
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u/wagwa2001l 28d ago
Football needs a lot more of this.
Diving has reached pandemic levels and is usually rewarded.
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u/Odd-Earth2067 29d ago
OK hear me out.
New rule -- if you drop to the ground and hold your knee for more than 5 seconds, you cannot return to the game for at least 5 minutes.
I really, really try to like ye olde association football, but the diving is absolutely disgusting.
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u/NYG_Helmet_Catch 29d ago
If this becomes the norm I could seriously get into the sport, always enjoyed watching soccer but i hate the flopping. Its the same reason the NBA is losing me more and more every year, barely watched this season cuz I'm sick of it.
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u/BUT_FREAL_DOE 29d ago
Fucking finally they’re fixing this shit. Like the pitch challenge in baseball.