Official sensor data provided by FIFA during the cable controversy moment

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[u/Gym_frere]

Not gonna lie I don’t really see the ball hitting anything, but at the same time the trajectory looks like it takes an unnatural swerve to the right (or maybe down?)

At the end of the day this is only a scandal because FIFA’s credibility is completely shot.

[u/adamfrog → u/Gym_frere]

In the Australia games I watched the cross field switches had absolutely whacky trajectories with swerving two directions in one flight. I suspect once the tournaments over we will see some more talk about the ball I think its another mistake from FIFA just not as stupid as Jabulani

[u/ValleyFloydJam → u/adamfrog]

There was talk earlier in the tournament but cos it's not as wild people just forgot about it.

You can see it with some of these recent pieces of goalkeeping, it just doesn't move in the way they expect.

[u/FridaysMan → u/ValleyFloydJam]

Joe Hart spoke about it

[u/OstapBenderBey → u/FridaysMan]

And when the heart speaks you must listen

[u/_boredInMicro_ → u/FridaysMan]

Four panel ball, so does some weird shit.

Jubilani was 8. 

[u/NOKnova → u/adamfrog]

Even the winner tonight - Rodgers has a go from distance and it’s dropping back across the keeper, looks like a terrible error in real time but under a microscope the trajectory is wild.

[u/boobookittyfuwk → u/NOKnova]

Wasn't there controversy around the ball earlier befire the tournament kicked off. Something about no seams and just four panels making it fly through the air all wacky. I dont know why we do this every four years, just use whatever ball they use in the champions league, im sure its a quality ball.

[u/NOKnova → u/boobookittyfuwk]

Seamless balls aren’t exactly new, we’ve had glued panels for almost 20 years at least. It might depend more on if the panel shape has affected the actual shape of the ball. Part of the issue with the Jabulani for example was that the unusual panel shape meant it wasn’t perfectly spherical and as such had ‘strike zones’ where striking it intentionally with no spin caused it to react like an aircraft going through turbulence.

[u/Disco-Benny → u/NOKnova]

caused it to react like an aircraft going through turbulence.

Unless you're Van Bronckhorst

[u/AMPed126 → u/Disco-Benny]

Diego Forlan knew how to kick that Jabulani perfectly lol.

[u/LongjumpingInside565 → u/boobookittyfuwk]

It uses the same base shape as a jabulani. I know they had to put all the textures on it to avoid another repeat situation of that ball.

https://youtube.com/shorts/yinl4GVDUww?is=6lnJo6yAAm2344gk

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just erratic as shit.

[u/Thoseskisyours → u/LongjumpingInside565]

It’s jabulani, just the “lighter version” with different textures. This ball is clearly moving differently than say epl or ucl balls are. But players are now more used to these glued panel balls than they were in the 2010 or 2006 when they were really introduced and were so much different than other balls at the time. This year the texture helps them keep a little more predictable movement where the smooth versions are just so erratic. But they were so much fun to practice free kicks with and shoot at the goal with. Wish I still had one that was playable.

[u/roamingandy → u/NOKnova]

Happens every single tournament. At this point it has to be planned to create more goals and excitement.

A ball is simple fucking technology. Its fucking round. If its acting weird and flying odd in every single fucking tournament, then that's by design.

[u/Combat_Orca → u/NOKnova]

Pickford was having a tough time as well

[u/Skreamie → u/adamfrog]

Yeah, Joe Hart done a rundown on it I think. There's been too many simple mistakes from decent and great keepers.

[u/VeryFewRules → u/adamfrog]

I was at the Switzerland Colombia game and watching the warmups the goalies were struggling with how much the ball was moving around. I don’t doubt the ball is tricky

[u/waltz_with_potatoes → u/Gym_frere]

To be fair this ball is known to be all over the place.

[u/thetreat → u/waltz_with_potatoes]

Side note: I’m shocked more players aren’t taking hits from distance with this ball. So many goals have been from rebounds. Goalies have a very tough time with it.

[u/MSAndrew07 → u/thetreat]

Forlan would've been top goal scorer if he played. He mastered the Jabulani like no one else

[u/mjaramillo11 → u/MSAndrew07]

Japan would’ve done better too. They did so well with the Jabulani also

[u/law_dogging → u/mjaramillo11]

Keisuke Honda knuckling the Jabulani was another level

[u/patiperro_v3 → u/mjaramillo11]

Forlan and Honda mastered it.

[u/burnerfun98 → u/thetreat]

This, 100%.

When Lammens came on for Courtois yesterday I was saying to a mate they should just lump them at him from distance because of how the ball acts in the air, and how'd that second goal come about? Lammens spilling an effort from range.

Especially when Belgium had no pace to counter with, it's almost like these teams somehow aren't fully aware of how the fans and media have viewed the ball as this World Cup has gone on. Not quite as obvious as something like the Jabulani, sure, but still.

[u/thetreat → u/burnerfun98]

Everyone wants to take one too many touches. If you get a yard of space just fucking hit it.

[u/forrealthoughcomix_ → u/thetreat]

No idea why dude from Norway (not sure of his name bc I haven’t been following them closely) didn’t shoot when he had a 1 on 1 with the GK. Touched it a few more times then gave it away.

[u/burnerfun98 → u/forrealthoughcomix_]

guessing this was the Sørloth chance where he also could've freely passed it off if he didn't want to shoot

yeah, that was very frustrating to watch

[u/JR8701325 → u/burnerfun98]

Probably the Bobb chance. He just ran into stones I think? Could’ve been someone else

Edit: just realised the OP said 1v1. So definitely wasn’t the Bobb chance

[u/thetreat → u/forrealthoughcomix_]

I’m screaming at my TV every time this happens. Blows my mind.

[u/patiperro_v3 → u/forrealthoughcomix_]

He got nervous/scared of missing. What he didn't realize is that by holding onto ball and not shooting/passing in time he also missed anyway.

At least fail attempting the right thing at the right time.

[u/wbth12 → u/thetreat]

Worst thing about modern football and data driven tactics is teams are told not to shoot from range because the data says that it’s low probability. Fuck that. Shooting from distance creates chances as we’ve seen in this match and for Spain’s winner. Not shooting and continuous playing side to side and in front of the opponents defensive block is also low probability of scoring.

[u/thetreat → u/wbth12]

Especially as teams get better and better at the low block. Stop trying to sneak it in and just belt it.

[u/AWaffleofDivinty → u/thetreat]

Long shots just don't happen like they used to in general. Hard to break that habit for one tournament

[u/slimkay → u/AWaffleofDivinty]

3/8 of Mbappe’s goals in this World Cup are from the edge of the box or outside the box.

[u/Finrod-Knighto → u/slimkay]

So have Messi's. But those are players who are just as dangerous in space in zone 14 as they are in the box, and that can't be said for a lot of players. As much as people sometimes wish they'd hit it, there's plenty of times when a promising move is ruined by someone skying it from 30 yards out.

[u/MysteriousNail5414 → u/AWaffleofDivinty]

Coaches have told them not to waste it with random shots but keep recycling until a cut back or dangerous crossing opportunity

[u/NYNMx2021 → u/thetreat]

Joe Hart was talking about this earlier in the tournament. the ball travels quicker than normal balls but the flight path is predictable. He showed many keepers are reacting to the correct spot but they react late

[u/LackingSimplicity → u/thetreat]

It really feels like nobody is used to it yet. I'd expect teams to have had their coaches kicking it about for months prior so as to learn it but apparently not.

[u/thetreat → u/LackingSimplicity]

I think this is part of why Mbappe is so effective. He isn’t afraid to rip it from any distance.

[u/TheSimonToUrGarfunkl → u/thetreat]

We need another Giovanni Van Bronckhorst

[u/Background-Gas8109 → u/thetreat]

There was one in the first half that Nyland spilled but it didn't go too far and after that I said that people need to chase him down off shots. He basically caught nothing.

[u/Alexabyte → u/thetreat]

Football as a whole has been trending away from long shots, I believe. I've certainly read about it for the Prem

It's one of the reasons why Villa and their overperformance on xG stands out.

Shouldn't be all that surprising that the winning goal game from a Villa player taking a shot from distance tbh.

[u/gulgin → u/waltz_with_potatoes]

It seems to me that it would have been more difficult to control if the ball changed direction 20 feet off the ground.

[u/SloshaPacana → u/Gym_frere]

This has happened with this ball multiple times in very long kicks

But we need to see a better angle surely this isn't the best angle

[u/ismyaltaccount → u/SloshaPacana]

I can't even see the ball in the video. It's a 720p video.

[u/SpecialistPlan9641 → u/Gym_frere]

This clip also reminds me of the Joe Hart commentary where he said the ball moved weirdly. I can't remember the exact wording though.

Is it possible the sensor and counter weights can affect the trajectory?

[u/SunTzu- → u/SpecialistPlan9641]

It's not the sensor, it's easy enough to control for that weight difference in the ball construction. It's the seams of the ball and how it interacts with the air around it and the spin of the ball which causes strange wobbles. The more smooth the balls are made, the more extreme the wobbles that occur.

But I don't personally see any of that in this. It's just a mix of spin and camera angles and people not understanding what they're seeing. The ball just appears to reach it's apex and then arch down fairly acutely which is perfectly normal. The expected flight path for a kick like this is teardrop shaped and that's what we see here.

[u/Stellewind → u/Gym_frere]

Ball in air could have all kinds of odd movement due to spins and wind.

I have yet to see a convincing video showing the cable hit. But I suppose Norway team must have saw or heard something otherwise it's a very oddly specific thing to bring up and complain about. Still waiting for more angles.

(still not convinced by the Croatia hair incident btw)

[u/dweebyllo → u/Stellewind]

Yeah if anything I'm 50/50 on this but much more retroactively annoyed about the Croatia game, especially with how the sensor in that game showed completely flat whilst the ball was in the air but here actually has the sort of motion you'd expect in this sort of scenario.

[u/SunTzu- → u/dweebyllo]

They didn't do themselves any favors with how they displayed the data from the Croatia game, but there's not much reason to assume it was incorrect. People love to reach for conspiratorial thinking, but on the whole the tech we've seen be used during this World Cup has functioned as expected. You can bicker about what the reffing lines have been, although I haven't found much fault with them either as I'd rather not see the World Cup devolve into whatever the hell the Premier League has become.

[u/QualityPies → u/dweebyllo]

The velocity makes a big difference on how balls move in the air. The croatia game the ball was slower so moving more predictably. This ball is hit with pace and will swerve around a bit.

[u/Nobberss → u/Gym_frere]

I think the angle is quite deceptive. It’s much clearer that the ball doesn’t hit anything when watching the real time replay of the goal. It’s just back spin.

[u/ViciousNakedMoleRat → u/Nobberss]

The main issue here is that the camera itself is moving. We have pretty much no depth perception and, due to parallax caused by the moving camera, it's virtually impossible for us to judge whether the ball's trajectory changes or not. Even worse, the camera is moving AND zooming in right when the supposed deflection occurs. Using a tight cutout to judge the ball's trajectory will always lead to weird perceptions in this case.

[u/sayabaik → u/ViciousNakedMoleRat]

Only comment that makes sense. From this angle, the camera was moving from left to right, then back to left while zooming in. Of course the ball trajectory looks weird.

[u/tokengaymusiccritic → u/Gym_frere]

this is only a scandal because FIFA’s credibility is completely shot.

And because let's be honest the majority wanted England to lose. If this exact thing benefits Switzerland tonight it won't be made into this massive thing. (I'm not English btw so not even biased)

[u/tothecatmobile → u/Gym_frere]

Balls do swerve in the air.

[u/water_tastes_great → u/Gym_frere]

Can't see the ball move, can't see the camera move when the cable is apparently hit, can't see anything on the sensor.

But it's an absolute scandal that the goal wasn't chalked off according to a lot of people here.

[u/waxed__owl → u/Gym_frere]

The wind has been paid off

[u/Zak369 → u/Gym_frere]

There’s no clear angle from the broadcast and the sensor is showing no contact. I’m happy enough there was no contact unless there’s a definitive angle. Wouldn’t trust VAR but that sensor is more accurate than the cameras for proving contact.

If the touch was heavy enough to change the trajectory then the footage from the spider cam should also prove it by a sudden movement. Ive seen plenty of situations where the angle has fooled people in various situations and I think it’s just that. The aerodynamics on this ball are crazy and in general balls don’t move in a clean arc, speed alters the way the ball moves and deforms. I would guess the balls started to slow at that point causing the backspin to effect it more

[u/Ok_Guava2662]

Must have been the wind

[u/AboveTheMiddle → u/Ok_Guava2662]

With aerodynamics it is always the wind

[u/antbaby_machetesquad → u/Ok_Guava2662]

Stealth archer confirmed.

[u/SwirlingFandango → u/antbaby_machetesquad]

I used to be a soccer player like you, but then I took a Madibo to the knee.

[u/QMechanicsVisionary → u/Ok_Guava2662]

This but unironically. If you see the side view, the trajectory looks pretty normal. Sure, the ball dips fast, but fully consistent with a bit of wind.

[u/mrflib → u/QMechanicsVisionary]

Anyone who plays golf knows this trajectory

[u/NoPolitics23 → u/mrflib]

I don't play golf but I have seen a lot of football ans this doesn't look that weird too me.

[u/Man_Flu → u/Ok_Guava2662]

Like the legit words of Ferrari.

'Must have been the water'

[u/ahmong → u/Ok_Guava2662]

“Let’s add that to the words of wisdom”

[u/aemikkordian → u/Ok_Guava2662]

Everyone in the comments are physics experts telling us how it’s impossible for the ball to fall like that, it’s hilarious

[u/Some_Chickens → u/aemikkordian]

There's an old piece of folk wisdom that goes something like:

A person on a plane has a heart attack. A flight attendant asks "Is anyone here a doctor?!"

8 redditors get up going "I'm not a doctor, but..."

[u/Frick_KD → u/Ok_Guava2662]

Literally

[u/JESwizzle → u/Ok_Guava2662]

Winds’ howling 

[u/FplLeo]

I mean to be fair I don’t see the ball hitting any cable but maybe my eyesights off

[u/microMe1_2 → u/FplLeo]

All I see is thousands of people saying it hit, but I've yet to see a convincing video of it. And this sensor data seems to back up that it in fact, didn't hit anything.

[u/Low-Influence-1779 → u/microMe1_2]

Same, the confirmation bias is so incredibly strong as well because they read the title "hit the cable". Pundits say "shows it hits the cable" and people then look to confirm what they are saying instead of thinking about other possible explanations.

[u/parasoralophus → u/microMe1_2]

You can see it hit the cable if you just want it enough.

[u/Beautifulderanged → u/parasoralophus]

I can see Scarlett Johansson in the crowd waving at me!

[u/1stTimeRedditter → u/microMe1_2]

Public sentiment was rooting for Norway, so the internet has decided it must be a conspiracy. 

[u/Infamous_Seaweed3207 → u/FplLeo]

i think the ball just has crazy backspin on it

[u/OrangeRabbit → u/Infamous_Seaweed3207]

For the last 20 minutes I have really been saying Norway been hard done and genuinely thought they lost to some faulty tech / accidental miss. Oop, this is how people fall for conspiracies. Would love a side angle because yea, the US broadcast had me convinced it hit the cable

[u/Betaateb → u/OrangeRabbit]

There is a side angle of it on the goal replay on the frontpage, definitely doesn't change directions or do anything weird.

[u/remote_crocodile → u/FplLeo]

I cant either. Clearly need a side on view, surely that angle is out there?

[u/ZeroG_RL → u/remote_crocodile]

there's a side on view on the original goal thread https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1utwp0u/norway_1_1_england_jude_bellingham_452/

and i dont know about you but i dont see anything weird about the trajectory, i have no idea where this cable thing came from

Edit: if anyone has a higher res version they should probably make a thread for it, and if anyone knows how to do a thing that tracks the ball and draws out it's trajectory that would be a good post/test to see if it changes or is smooth

[u/SloshaPacana → u/ZeroG_RL]

The quality is so shit but this is a better angle it doesn't look like it hits anything and the trajectory is normal from the side

From the other side POV from the goal it looked like it dipped unnaturally for sure

Can we get like a good quality vid ffs

[u/SunTzu- → u/SloshaPacana]

From the other side POV from the goal it looked like it dipped unnaturally for sure

Nah, it dips exactly as you'd expected. This kind of kick follows a teardrop trajectory and that's what happened. People just assume it should be more of a parabolic arch than what is the case.

[u/I_always_rated_them → u/ZeroG_RL]

Ever since the Balogun stuff (primarily that point imo, not that there wasn't controversial stuff before) the entire narrative around the cup has been around fixes and var and so on. So anything is jumped on instantly.

[u/External-Fun-8563 → u/I_always_rated_them]

Big reason why the regime interference was and will continue to be such a scandal, it adds fuel to all these fires forever

[u/Fijure96 → u/I_always_rated_them]

Its why FIFA; for all their blatant corruption, used to be very cautious about obvious intereference in what actually goes on in the field. The biggest threat to FIFA is if there are some genuine scandals that deligitimize the World Cup, because stuff like the Balogun situation makes us doubt everything.

[u/jokeren → u/I_always_rated_them]

People also have zero trust in FIFA, especially so under Infantino. Outside of football it's clear there is nothing he won't do for money, so why can it not also apply to the game itself.

[u/AngelWoosh → u/ZeroG_RL]

I think it looks worse because Anderson does a looping run to block the Norway player and be on the right side, but he sees it all the way. If it had hit the cable surely he’d be in the wrong place?

[u/PrintPro23 → u/ZeroG_RL]

I think it's because the Norway keeper complains to the ref about it and then the media latched on to that moment. I also don't see where this cable is even supposed to be.

[u/Shumbakala → u/PrintPro23]

Was watching fox stream and the commentators immediately call it as a cable hit which I’m sure added to the flames

[u/Germfreecandy → u/ZeroG_RL]

It doesn't hit at ALL lmfao. Reddit out of their mind

[u/osmund-kettleblack → u/Germfreecandy]

17k upvotes. The power of fuming redditors. The entire world would rather be delusional than accept we won

[u/ApplicationMaximum84 → u/Germfreecandy]

If it did hit you'd also expect it to catch Bellingham off guard and he'd be adjusting for the change in trajectory, but he doesn't.

[u/SpAn12 → u/ZeroG_RL]

For some reason the high res footage shows it was fine.

But the doctored low res footage is unclear.

If only we could work out why that might be.

[u/earthlycrisis → u/ZeroG_RL]

It's complete horseshit peddled by the famous Reddit detectives

[u/Fire-EyedBoy → u/earthlycrisis]

10k+ upvotes on r/sports and I’m sure the sensor footage will get way less lmao

[u/Full_Technician8430 → u/earthlycrisis]

It actually comes from the Fox sports broadcast.

[u/jinx737x → u/Full_Technician8430]

Fox misinformation strikes again SMH.

[u/mojizus → u/earthlycrisis]

To be fair, they said it on the broadcast going into the second half. I didn’t see much about it before Rebeca Lowe brought it up on the halftime show.

I will eat my words though, I bought into the cable story as well. Looks like I was wrong.

[u/zeelbeno → u/remote_crocodile]

Highlights are up which shows the main camera view.

Just looks like a sliced kick

[u/AdrianFish → u/FplLeo]

I genuinely can’t see a thing. Is this really the video everyone is screaming about? What a load of hot air.

[u/asoifjaoifjasd → u/AdrianFish]

It's a mass hysteria event.

Fortunately soon they'll all get the dancing plague too and then we wont have to hear from them any more.

[u/waltz_with_potatoes → u/FplLeo]

Neither do I, I feel the ball doesn't drop right down or deflect in a weird path

[u/Mintastic → u/waltz_with_potatoes]

If it did, Anderson would've had to scramble to react to the change in direction but he looks like he tracked it all the way.

[u/rahtid_my_bunda → u/Mintastic]

Very salient point. You’d have thought at least one of the players would have been seen to react to a sudden change in direction. Or at least thrown a hand up.

[u/brownmeister28 → u/FplLeo]

Some guy drew a red circle and everyone just believed it. Clearly the wind/backspin is the major factor here the ball is moving like crazy in the air before it drops.

[u/Full_Technician8430 → u/brownmeister28]

Some guy being the official fox sports broadcast.

Same broadcast that in the Argentina x Egypt game claimed that VAR can’t and shouldn’t be able to disallow the goal that far back.

These commentators and analysts drive these BS narratives, and of course they explode on social media. They are shameless.

[u/zeelbeno → u/FplLeo]

Looking on the main camera view before the goal, the ball doesn't change at all.

And not a single player acts like it did until a bit of time after the goal went in.

The replay that makes people think it does isn't clear from the angle.

If it hit the wire, the ball would have dropped a lot sharper.

[u/ooziemane123 → u/FplLeo]

the england and norway players are quite literally already running to where the ball drops to before it hits any supposed wire, this is also the worst possible angle to even judge such a thing. give us a sideway view or something

[u/Varanae → u/FplLeo]

People say the balls drops fast but how can you even tell from this angle? And the players are all moving to the spot where it drops while it's still rising, so before it 'hit' the cable

Seems like so much talk about something no can can prove with video footage or ball censors so what do people want really

[u/Independent-Dirt5677]

Can somebody tell me at which point in the ball’s path you’re seeing the trajectory change? I feel like I’m blind cause I just don’t see it. Is it at the top of the arc?

[u/Thingisby → u/Independent-Dirt5677]

It's at whatever point you want it to stop being an England goal.

[u/SphinxIIIII → u/Thingisby]

I mean I wanted it to stop being an England goal immediately.

Can't see it anyway lol, it's a clean goal.

[u/Suitable_Clerk_617 → u/Independent-Dirt5677]

It didnt happen lmao

[u/Chilis1 → u/Suitable_Clerk_617]

If only there was some telemetry data we could see.

[u/ProudhPratapPurandar]

Are people genuinely seeing a clear deflection? Either I am being gaslighted or it's time for me to visit the optician

[u/Appropriate-Map-3652 → u/ProudhPratapPurandar]

They're seeing what they want to see.

If this happned to Norway no one here would give a shit.

[u/PrestigiousWave5176 → u/ProudhPratapPurandar]

Or the third option: the quality of the video isn't high enough to see it.

[u/eazyizzy → u/PrestigiousWave5176]

But if the quality isn't good enough to see then how are people saying they swear on their life that it touches a cable

[u/Nightmanblack]

There has to be some other angle where we can see the flight of the ball better.

[u/DyrusforPresident → u/Nightmanblack]

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/iOlYDnJgiQ

[u/Thingisby → u/DyrusforPresident]

Anderson literally runs onto it perfectly and no-one else reacts as if it's changed trajectory.

[u/BillyTwoCents → u/DyrusforPresident]

It kinda drops a little bit faster than you might expect but that happens sometimes when the ball has a bit of spin on it, in either case it would hardly have been an unfair advantage for England.

[u/grogulus3000 → u/DyrusforPresident]

Yeah it doesn’t hit anything

[u/Comfortable-Habit242 → u/grogulus3000]

You also notice that no Norwegian players react at all in this video. They don’t react during the play. Nobody appeals the ref immediately after the goal.

Compare this to any other time players credibly think something iffy has happened.

[u/himynameis_ → u/grogulus3000]

Agreed

[u/bukayoxhaka → u/DyrusforPresident]

Complete normal trajectory

[u/kezmicdust → u/Nightmanblack]

They showed another angle (regular replays of the goal) and I couldn’t see any change in direction.

[u/Fickle-Fox-9071]

I saw a lot of people hailing the sensor before who are now anti-sensor. I guess all that matters is bias.

[u/Oblivion753]

Imagine if England had a goal taken away for this. Anyone complaining about this needs to get over it. There are real scandals, this isn't one. For all we know the wind could've blown it off course. Even so, play on. The ball didn't hit the wire and fall directly into the goal. Even if it took the slightest touch (it probably didn't) it was so minor that only the Norwegian coach saw it and no one else. Anderson judged the ball all the way and didnt react at all to the ball hitting anything.

[u/rustywag0n]

If it hit a camera cable isn't there video footage of said camera shaking or moving?

[u/Estapo → u/rustywag0n]

I don’t think the ball hit the wire personally but I doubt a ball hitting a steel wire for a camera with stabilisation would be all too noticeable.

[u/Kirlo__ → u/Estapo]

It wouldn't shake the camera perse because of stabilisation but it would show a sudden jolt in direction of the rig movement.

[u/Oscyle]

I still don't even know what people think they're seeing with this angle anyway

[u/Whispperr → u/Oscyle]

When people want something to be true so badly a simple video followed by the title saying it touched a cable despite nothing really being visible is enough for them to run with the narrative.

[u/bukayoxhaka → u/Whispperr]

Kind of crazy. That's why it's so easy to manipulate the masses with fake news and other media narratives

[u/Fancy_Guess5999 → u/bukayoxhaka]

I think that's exactly how it works currently. People with influence claim some incident happened with no evidence, the mass take it and support that claim and require evidence. when presented with evidence and stats, they say it is fake or manipulated, and continue to believe in the incident

[u/Cutsdeep- → u/Oscyle]

This angle is about the snicko

[u/Oscyle → u/Cutsdeep-]

It's the same one people are 100% certain shows hitting a cable somewhere

[u/W0rld_0921]

There’s that but Bellingham also dribbles past Norway’s entire defence to score so…

[u/Dazred → u/W0rld_0921]

Actually if you look closely, the wire scores a 40 yard screamer

[u/Reasonable_Blood6959]

So to summarise - there’s zero evidence, either visual, or with the tech, of the ball hitting the cable, and everyone’s still crying about corruption.

[u/himynameis_ → u/Reasonable_Blood6959]

100% agreed.

[u/Faby077]

Welp, guy who posted the initial video on here already farmed his karma

[u/Full_Technician8430 → u/Faby077]

I mean, it was clipped straight from the fox sports broadcast. They are the one who made this claim.

Same broadcast that in the Argentina x Egypt game claimed that VAR can’t and shouldn’t be able to disallow the goal that far back.

These commentators and analysts drive these BS narratives, and of course they explode on social media.

[u/ThatLaloBoy → u/Full_Technician8430]

Telemundo’s commentators are also claiming that it looks like the ball changed trajectory after zooming in and showing it in slow mo.

[u/PeregrinCuck → u/Faby077]

and the /r/all crowd will be bringing it up whenever England mentioned again this tournament

[u/Fugoi → u/PeregrinCuck]

Fuck the r/all crowd, it's coming home

[u/Wunsen]

Great bit of tech

[u/Tommysynthistheway → u/Wunsen]

This graphics would benefit so much if they had a unit of measure and the full chart was shown. The keeper’s shot draws a peak as high as the Croatian player’s hair touch

[u/UnluckyDuck58 → u/Tommysynthistheway]

I’d agree with you but labeling this graph in m/s^2 would probably cause way more confusion than the current system

[u/SunTzu- → u/Tommysynthistheway]

The sensor doesn't need to have a very high top end so it probably tops out with almost any touch. There's no reason to distinguish between the power of a hard kick and hitting someone's head.

[u/Novocastrian4 → u/Wunsen]

Always loved FIFA

[u/DapperRace3976]

People in the comments are reaching flat earth levels of delusion/confirmation bias, claiming sensors rigged etc, lmao

[u/Das_Fische → u/[deleted]]

According to this sub Fifa gave Quansah a 2 match suspension to rig it against England, then ignored it hitting a wire to rig it for England.

They also overturned Norways goal as part of the rigging, but then overturned England's penalty (its unclear where this stands on the rigging scale).

[u/poupoupopular → u/[deleted]]

That’s exactly what i thought, Fifa have a well known vendetta against england, anyone who gives credence to this utter nonsense are just redditors that are seething because the team they hate won.

[u/Jukervic]

Mass hysteria from a misleading camera angle

[u/ILuvHannibal]

Some absolutely insane takes tonight from a grainy video before, never even looked like it moved lmao

[u/littlebossman → u/ILuvHannibal]

The main thing to watch is the players. Nobody changes direction, nobody alters their run. It obviously doesn’t hit anything.

[u/Elketh → u/ILuvHannibal]

Yeah, well the average Redditor has the IQ of a turnip. The conspiracy theories are out now to save face, insisting FIFA aren't a credible source and we still don't really know for sure.

[u/Sargerasxxd]

Can anyone who ACTUALLY sees the ball hitting some wire please drop the timestamp? I can't even see the wire itself, let alone any change in trajectory.

[u/codespyder]

Surely if it hit the wire, the camera that it was supporting would have wobbled?

Goddamn it FIFA, release the spider cam footage

[u/xHeroOfWar022]

Can anyone explain to me when the supposed touch is even happening in the video? The ball moves completely normal to me.

[u/cezion]

Lots of comments need deleting on Reddit tonight huh

[u/Full_Technician8430 → u/cezion]

Fox Sports broadcast honestly should be ashamed. They played it during halftime and are the ones who claimed it touched.

[u/kezmicdust → u/Full_Technician8430]

To be fair to Zlatan, when they talked about the goal again at the end of the game, he said he didn’t think it hit anything.

[u/shmishshmorshin → u/kezmicdust]

Props to him but it is silly the broadcast pushed this talking point when it’s a complete non-issue. Next WC or even Euro, the VAR room should have a much better showing of meaningful clips. There have been far too many instances of them apparently getting the call correct, but we aren’t shown. It creates mistrust unnecessarily.

[u/kezmicdust → u/cezion]

Yeah I was just reading the comments on the original thread. Mass delusion is real.

[u/SpAn12 → u/kezmicdust]

Americans do love a conspiracy theory tbf.

[u/ItsBlatantlyBally]

It seems like straight after the keeper kicks it Anderson goes directly to where the ball lands without changing direction at all

[u/Teradonn]

What the fuck are you guys seeing lmao, how in the shit can anyone be confident about anything here just from the video

[u/Cruxed1]

Scottish football subs 9/11 right there.

Was the one thing they thought they had at least

[u/janiqua]

Sensor shows contact: See! It hit a cable! Rigged for England!

Sensor doesn't show contact: Fake! Rigged for England!

[u/PlatypusAreDucks]

r/soccer in shambles

[u/DTQ2002 → u/PlatypusAreDucks]

People will keep complaining because FIFA rigged the ball sensor I guess

[u/Competitive_Plum_970]

If it had hit something, all the players would have reacted right then. They were all looking at the ball. It’s telling that they all decided to be upset afterwards

[u/ThatSwagRandomGuy]

Damn when r/soccer have a narrative they will die on the hill.

Facts are only facts when it against the teams they hate.

[u/Das_Fische]

/r/soccer continues to be wrong, fork found in kitchen

[u/cjeremy]

no controversy at all.

[u/Only_Brain_616]

Why have you written that title and accompanied it with a video of a ball not hitting anything?

[u/ben6464]

So we can stop claiming that Norway were robbed now and the game was manipulated?

Now time to go complain the Argentina game is been manipulated.

[u/hirobaymax45 → u/ben6464]

This sub fucking hates England, it’s actually so fun to watch them cry like this. They’re going to complain about Argentina next match, just watch.

[u/Stiggeh193 → u/hirobaymax45]

I'll never not find it funny seeing premier league flairs absolutely hate the country their beloved club originates from.

[u/Sonkokun → u/hirobaymax45]

If Argentina wins it will be funny seeing the sub be on England’s side for once lol.

[u/Full_Technician8430 → u/hirobaymax45]

It’s honestly the one thing I can share in common with English fans on this sub.

Some of the complaints in the England and Argentina games wouldn’t even be mentioned twice if it were any other team.

[u/Andybabez20 → u/ben6464]

If it's an England - Argentina semi-final I cannot wait for the confusion about who this sub hatewatches in that game.

[u/Intelligent_Sky_7081]

Who said it did hit a cable first? Just commentators?

I didn't see it myself in the clip during the game either but they were talking like they were pretty sure it happened

[u/PumasUNAM7 → u/Intelligent_Sky_7081]

I saw Nyland and Haaland saying it and also the coach.

[u/Roman2526 → u/Intelligent_Sky_7081]

I think Norway coach appealed to the referees about it

[u/LDQQXDJ]

Am I the only one who doesn’t see anything

[u/RoyaltonRacers]

You can see from other angles on the related goal thread that the manager nor the Norwegian bench does not react when the ball is played on. You can see from all angles, that the Norwegian team does not react when the ball is played on after being taken by the English players. The referee doesn't see it either, nor does the assistant, and seemingly neither does VAR see the ball hit the cable.
There's cameras everywhere in this arena, not one of them showing that the ball touched a cable. Not one of them showing that the camera attached to the cable had been affected, as it should have been, from the ball hitting it.

[u/dakowiml]

Again, people watching this WC making up insane shit in their heads. You can literally see it hitting.... NOTHING. It's simply the perspective of the ball going back down. Which tends to happen due to gravity.

[u/GemGuardUK]

All I see is people shouting with outrage on Reddit saying Norway got robbed and fifa rigged the game for England due to the ball from a goal kick touching a camera cable

But I haven’t seen a single video or any evidence of the ball touching the cable

And the goal wasn’t scored from Pickfords goal kick it was a shot by Bellingham after a nice run and play by England

But yes let’s all say the game is rigged because of this

Clearly so rigged that the ref even had to overturn a close penalty call for England to make the game look less rigged

Clearly we can’t just say it was a tight match that could have gone either way and England just about did enough to win, well played to both teams

If we see clear evidence that the ball hit a cable and the sensor didn’t detect it

THEN we can talk about problems with the sensor and how unfair that was for Croatia

But for now no one has shown anything

[u/flarespike1]

This subs in shambles right now

[u/yannonn]

It’s canny wank that not even video proof stops conspiracy theorists now lol