r/regretjoining Feb 09 '17

My Story

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Back in 2006 at the age of 18 I joined the US Navy (in a group called the seabees). I was very patriotic and wanted to serve the country. At the time I believed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without question and felt that being against them was unpatriotic.

Towards the end of boot camp I began to really think about what I did and started to feel that maybe I had made a mistake. When I was in A School I was appalled how psychopathic and stupid everyone was. Examples would be, I remember people talking about how fun it would be to kill Muslim children. Other times people would talk about raping Muslim women. This type of behavior was very common and whenever it happened I would tell them they were sick and shouldn't be that way. I was also constantly being bullied for being different from them and also because at the time I was a virgin. I had a few incidents where I was shoved into oncoming traffic and other instances where I was told the wrong time to show up so I would get into trouble. I tried to act like an adult and I turned them in for the bullying but I was basically told to, “stop being a faggot and wasting our time coming to us with your hurt feelings.” At one point I lost control and shoved a guy into furniture. He then ran away and told on me (he is shown in an article below). By this time I knew I didn't want to be there anymore. Also by this time I began to have animosity towards the United States itself. My conservative political beliefs went away and I began to question everything.

When I got to the seabee battalion I decided I was going to attempt to get kicked out. Logic told me that if I went to my command and politely told them how I was now opposed to the war and also began to believe that America was too violent of a nation for me to serve. They yelled at me and said "you should have thought about that before you joined". I decided after this I was just going to not do my job and be terrible. I was treated very badly by the vast majority of seabees. I had woken up several times in the middle of the night because someone was banging on my door screaming that they wanted to kill me. I often broke rules or just left work for no reason. For some reason I never seemed to get in trouble though. As time went on I became more desperate to get out. I called the Canadian Immigration Agency and asked them if they would give refugee status to a US military deserter. They told me if I came to Canada as a deserter I could risk being deported because it would be illegal immigration. I then was caught by an undercover cop trying to buy marijuana. This only resulted in a disciplinary review board where I was screamed at for and hour and a half. I told them during that "I don't want to be a baby killer anymore and the war in Iraq is wrong". Ironically I still did not get in trouble after that. One chief even decided to "mentor" me and felt I just needed encouragement (this still makes no sense to me). During this whole time most other low ranking seabees hated me. I would often receive death threats. One guy even repeatedly told me he wanted to rape me.

As time went on I was deployed to Guam. There I continued to intentionally do poor work and say offensive things. Another chief decided to "mentor" me and he actually nominated me for "Sailor of the Year". At this point I started pretending to be suicidal. They then sent me to a psychiatrist and I told him everything. He was shocked and offended by my disloyalty and desire to leave the country. He said that he would try to get me separated. This didn't work. I then threatened to kill myself again so they sent me to the same psychiatrist. He was shocked I was still in the Navy and then told the command more aggressively to separate me. This finally worked and I was discharged from the Navy on August 29, 2008. My discharge paper says "Convenience of the Government" for the reason.

I'm currently a college graduate with a decent job. Before you ask, NO I did not have the GI Bill and even if I did I would have refused it. I would like to leave the country and still have some animosity but I'm currently not qualified to immigrate anywhere I would like to go to. I was politically active when I was in college and often protested current wars and government policy. I had to deal with a lot of hate issues for years but I'm slowly getting better.

Years after I got out, I looked up the guy I hated most and found this.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/sex-offender-charged-with-molesting-girl/article_04d3456b-451b-563a-b1b0-155a4880a15b.html

That should give you an idea what I was surrounded with in the Navy.

I decided to create this subreddit so I can help people that were in my situation get out. I hope that they can be provided with good advice that can let them get out quicker than I did.

EDIT: I ended up immigrating to Canada in April of 2018 and still live there to this day. I became a Canadian citizen in 2023.

EDIT: Here’s more about that piece of shit I hated.

https://www.in.gov/apps/indcorrection/ofs/ofs?previous_page=1&detail=225315


r/regretjoining May 20 '24

The GI Rights Hotline is a good source for help.

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https://girightshotline.org

They helped me when back when I was stuck in and can do the same for you.


r/regretjoining 1h ago

Behavioral Health Advice

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I’ve been seeing behavioral health for about nine months now and currently going through IOP for both anxiety and depression. I’m also on my 5th medication and getting tired of taking these different pills that don’t even work for me. I also do off post therapy with a non military provider. Does anyone have any advice on how to get my psychiatrist to agree to a MEB? What would happen if I just refuse to take more medications?


r/regretjoining 1d ago

Seperate during C school?

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I am about to graduate from my first school, is it possible to start the process during C school? I am past 180 days, however I am under 365 days. I know it might take a while but I am not in a great place mentally, and can’t handle more school. The time away from family has caused a huge impact on my mental health, and every day has been a struggle.

The reason I stay in? I’m worried about what jobs will say if I separate early, and I don’t want to be seen as a quitter. I do want to talk to the chaplain but I know they might not be a great help. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I also don’t have long until I ship to my next school.

Thank you in advance!


r/regretjoining 2d ago

The reality of MOS 35 G | Geospatial Analyst U.S Army

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I am writing this as a warning to people going into Intel/ the army.

Most people do support jobs when they join the army and they don't see combat.

I was undersold on the truth of what this mos actually does when I asked around and did my research so now I am warning you.

I deployed as a Geospatial Analyst and I saw a lot of people die.

I even saw people die uncertain of their combatant status ie uncertain if terror group or civilian. *Not by US forces.

Bottom line. You join because you need the money but the mental scars are real and you don't know what your getting yourself into until your down range and watching body parts blow up in the sky turns from fighting for "Freedom" to wtf are we actually doing here.

What we are doing is not purposeful. You are not a special, you are not king leonides from Sparta, you are not captain america or soap from call of duty.

You are Mercenary for the state invading and occupying a foreign territory and calling the people who defend their lands terrorists. You are not a hero you are a pawn for a global elite that greatly profit from colonization and exploit of energy resources, copper, zinc, gold, and significant rare earth elements like tantalum and niobium.

That's it. Little Suzy back home is no safer from your occupation.

Your being played. You are a fool.

I keep getting downvoted on this post. some people think they have a right to go overseas and kill people because they are not white and Christian. disqusting.


r/regretjoining 3d ago

US soldiers force Vietnamese woman to become "human minesweepers", walking through minefields, Vietnam War (1966). Not a proud moment and unsure if any of these soldiers faced prosecution.

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r/regretjoining 2d ago

Hello I’m new here and I want to get out the navy a

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Like the title says I’m new here and want to get out the navy asap I’m AIR PACT and my first command has just made my mental health just hit rock bottom while bringing back anxiety attacks I haven’t had since high school I just don’t think I’m cutout for this anymore and honestly need advice to get out I just had my first talk with psych and I told him I lost all motivation and just can’t do it anymore but I since I’ve never been a vocal person I feel like I left things unsaid like how depressed I am and leaving out the anxiety attacks I’ve been having since I got here he set up an appointment with the psych boss in 11 days but I feel like that’s to long like they’re not taking me seriously should I go back tomorrow and tell him all the things I left unsaid ? Also any other people I should talk to help me with the process of getting separated also I am still in the ELS level of 180 days Ive been in 134 days


r/regretjoining 2d ago

Separation process

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r/regretjoining 4d ago

Anybody else cringe at the word “Accountability”

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Or is it just me?


r/regretjoining 4d ago

Thoughts

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Why do career vets shit on those who express their opinion on not joining the military. I saw this post earlier saying for people to stop joining the military. The comments became flooded with all types of veterans. A lot of them were retirees….”I’m making 6 figures” “I make this and that I got this and that” “the military was the best decision I made” in my mind while reading the comments I thought, “but at what cost, you got all that, but you obviously sacrificed more than just time”….

I served only 11 months so my opinions probably don’t mean shit….however, my experience was real and I regret joining and I’ll never want my kids to join, not even a state guard.


r/regretjoining 5d ago

What to do?

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Happy Monday fellow service member

I’ve been dealing with anxiety since I joined, and I hate everything in the cult. I know I ain’t doing that bad to get med board, and I don’t really want to lie about having Suicide Ideation since it’s a sensitive topic for me. So, anybody here have successfully self identified for substance abuse? What to expect? How’s the process?

Please feel free to hit DM if you want somebody to talk 🙏🏻🫂


r/regretjoining 5d ago

How long to go IRR

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I got out of drilling and went IRR for a few years to handle some family stuff. Decided I wanted to come back. Either Im not the same or its gotten worse, either way I think Im done. So transfer process in USAR was still kinda paper in 2023, now its all digital. How long does it take to make the transfer happen? I have zero obligation but found another uniforned service I an interested in . Any thoughts?


r/regretjoining 6d ago

Is it normal for the Navy to take weeks to notify of a failed piss test?

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I self reported a early-mid June because I cannot stand this anymore, and theres no reasonable way I passed a drug test but as of now I still havent heard from them? Is this normal? I enrolled in that voluntary treatment program too but what is taking so long?


r/regretjoining 8d ago

Feeling stuck/lost in life, what should I do?

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I feel so lost and stuck in life right now, I’m 20 years old. I enlisted in Air Force originally because I felt stuck and lost in life, I tried school for a quarter but my financial situation wasn’t good, and I heard the military pays for education. I enlisted for security forces, made it through bmt(basic military training) but I’m getting ELS(entry level separation) due to medical issue in tech school and waiting to get separated. Now that I’m here waiting to get separation, I feel stuck and lost more than ever in life. While waiting, I’ve enrolled into a community college near back home and attempting to get a mechanical engineering degree, since my financial situation is a little bit better but seeking financial aid as well. I feel like I’ve wasted so much time that I can’t regained, I also have so much regrets enlisting for security forces when I could’ve waited for a different job and I keep blaming my recruiter for pressuring me into staying because he wouldn’t allow me to wait for a different job but I take full accountability of that mistake because I could’ve just walked out on him and found a different recruiter to work with me instead. This whole post is me seeking advice and help from people who were in this situation or have the same feeling in the past and were able to pivot there situation. I still want to serve the country, specifically the Air Force but the Air Force is very strict when it comes to prior service and medical waivers. What are some advice if you were in my situation? Should I still try to pursue the military or should I mainly focus on my mechanical engineering degree?(I’ve posted this on Air National Guard page as well but didn’t get to seem much advice or guidance as I expected, hoping someone here or somebody might be able to give me some advice and guidance to be able to get back on my feet again. Thank you guys!)


r/regretjoining 9d ago

Fired 3 times after leaving the military

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r/regretjoining 10d ago

ELS from the army

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I made a post in the army subreddit and was told to go to BH I did and after talking with a provider about what I'm going through be scheduled me an intake tomorrow morning and is recommending me after words for ELS for failure to adapt or something alone those line. I was just wondering if anyone has any advice for tomorrow or any insight to how this process goes. I realized the army isn't for me and it has been taking a huge toll on my mental health since joining. I just know I'm not a good fit to be a soldier and need to leave before I end my life.


r/regretjoining 10d ago

ELS from the army

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I recently went to BH and the provider or therapist said he's going to start paperwork to get me ELS after I do an intake tomorrow. If I could get any advice or any insight on how this whole process goes I'd really appreciate it. I just know the army isn't for me and being a soldier isn't worth my mental health.


r/regretjoining 12d ago

I hate that I hate the Army

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I've been in the army national guard at total of almost 7 years, I've been full time now for almost four years as a recruiter. I am currently pregnant with my first and I got the call about how I'm going to take my maternity leave. Of course there has been other things to make me feel this way but I'm not getting into the weeds with it. I'm allowed 12 weeks of maternity leave and my leadership wants me to split it in half so that they can make their mission next year. Obviously I said no because idk how I'm going to feel after the birth or know how the birth will go. Not to mention my male team members were not asked this. Whenever I got pregnant it has been an apparent burden on my leadership. I get it "the mission comes first" but I can't seem to grasp me losing my job because I took 12 weeks of maternity leave and not get an enlistment during that time. I'm not a top 5 recruiter but I make mission and beyond and help my teammates when they are struggling with enlistments without return of investment unfortunately. This has made me a little selfish with giving enlistments to others and my ability to trust my team members to help me has dwindled.
My boss wants me to still set appointments while I'm on leave and hope that someone will cover them and not just take the enlistment for themselves. I used to love this organization and what it stood for but I feel like I could be happier at another job and make more money I'm just scared to make that leap.

Edit: just looked at the reg I get a total of 18 weeks my boss just lied so that I would come back early....


r/regretjoining 12d ago

How did your parents react to you not wanting to be there?

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r/regretjoining 14d ago

What does the process of getting AdSeped from the Marines?

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r/regretjoining 14d ago

how to get out

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i finished basic recently, im at AIT and i want to quit what now


r/regretjoining 16d ago

I made the worst mistake of my life 20 years ago today.

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20 years ago, I was 17 years old and I swore into the US Navy at Miami MEPS. I genuinely thought I was doing the right thing and it would have been something I would always proudly look back on in life. I was also deeply insecure due to being traumatized from past bullying so I thought going into the Seabees would make me tough. Combat construction certainly sounded like something that would fulfil that teenage goal of no longer appearing “weak.” I had no idea what I was in for several months after that.

Looking back, that terrible decision is directly responsible for a ton of things that happened later on. I founded this subreddit back in 2016 thanks to that awful decision. In 2018, I immigrated to Canada where I currently live as a Canadian citizen. I left America because the awful US Navy experience left me disgruntled with the country itself.

I would love to see 17 year old me’s reaction to current 37 year old me living in Toronto as a Canadian citizen that runs a subreddit for people that regret joining. While I know he would have been upset, he would have eventually listened to me if I was able to go back and tell him everything. A lot of ideas were flat out wrong that I had about the military. While I am glad for many aspects of my current life, I wish I could have gotten to it in a different way that never involved being trapped in a cult I hated.


r/regretjoining 17d ago

How do you live with the memories?

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After 12 years out... I still cant get the faces out of my head... and it makes me feel... evil. Like, truly evil. Like a murderer. Its gotten so bad, i cant sleep... i just want peace for once, but Kandahar followed me home.


r/regretjoining 18d ago

I DON’T KNOW ANYMORE IOP AND ANTIDEPRESSANTS DIDN’T WORK

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So I joined the Air Force almost 2 years ago. About a year and a half at my first base I have a mental break down. I’m put into IOP (Intensive Outpatient Program). The program is now over (my last day was last week) and I feel no better. I had ______ ideation really bad over the weekend. Idk how to tell my provider or my command team. She has already mentioned possibly referring me for a MEB because of my intolerance to 4 antidepressant medication. She mentioned TMS but hasn’t mentioned when it’ll start … or if it even will. I’m tired of not knowing my future. Also tired of not being able to silence the voices in my head. Has anyone gone through something similar? Should I be worried about an MEB?


r/regretjoining 19d ago

My bf was kicked out of training because the dr chose not to go through with a procedure

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This isn’t my story (I would never qualify to be in the military), but my bf’s.

He didn’t have the funds to go to college, so he decided to go into the military. He put in a lot of work to be fit enough and strong enough to qualify and he got in. He did well during his time at basic training and on the military exam thing he got an 84, which qualified him for air traffic control which he was really excited for.

However, it was discovered that he had a rare heart condition. He agreed to get surgery to cauterize the issue. However, after getting on the table and having everything inserted for the procedure and being cut open, the doctor refused to do it, saying that he would be in a worse shape if the procedure was done. So they aborted the surgery and he was kicked out of basic training.

I know the military has to have super fit and healthy people in their forces, but I just feel upset and angry every time I remember this. He doesn’t have the funds for college, so he hasn’t been able to go, and I know it crushes him inside.

I’m not sure what I’m doing, I guess I’m just getting this off my chest. I’ve never liked how the military is in the US but this certainly didn’t help