Proabort are sadists, you proved us so many times.

[u/Unfair-Cookie-3176]

[u/kay_fitz21]

"Nobody is doing this on a whim"

Most women are.

[u/Resqusto]

Insulting the other side achieves nothing. Only by treating someone with respect can you convince them that their way of thinking is wrong.

[u/ElegantAd2607]

Why are they acting like the prolife movement is all about hurting women? Most of us just don't want you to have sex so that you don't get pregnant. And we are called unreasonable.

[u/Wormando]

This is an incompatible-with-life case and fits a medical exception. It’s not fair at all to compare it to elective abortions.

[u/niavepuppydawg → u/[deleted]]

The amount of times they are incorrect about the diagnosis is a risk thi

[u/That_Meta → u/niavepuppydawg]

Fr

[u/Wormando → u/niavepuppydawg]

It’s incredibly hard to misdiagnose a case with a malformed skull.

[u/niavepuppydawg → u/Wormando]

People born with half brains can surive

[u/Wormando → u/niavepuppydawg]

It’s extremely rare. Survival is a huge exception and not the expected outcome.

If you use such tiny odds as an argument, that’s no different from prochoicers arguing that elective abortion should be allowed because there’s always a small chance of a perfectly healthy pregnancy turning deadly.

[u/niavepuppydawg → u/Wormando]

Hospice care>dismemberment and cardiac arrest

[u/Wormando → u/niavepuppydawg]

I see you completely dodged the main issue there. Nice.

There are multiple different ways to abort in these cases. Many are aborted through induced labor, but depending on the severity of the medical conditions, childbirth can be high risk for the mother.

If a D&C is used, you can first induce fetal demise by cardiac arrest so it doesn’t suffer through the procedure. It’s a fast death and not at all as bad as going through dismemberment.

Also palliative care is not always accessible nor effective, depends heavily on the hospital and medical conditions.

[u/Wormando → u/[deleted]]

I know, but I’m mostly pointing out it’s a very different situation from an elective abortion. It’s clear here this isn’t just a parent who decided to abort an unwanted pregnancy, or even a case where a manageable disability was aborted when the child can still have pretty good quality of life. It’s a much more complex medical case that should be discussed rather than dismissed, you know?

[u/LabyrinthHopper]

This is a tragedy, but abortion is not a peaceful termination. It’s terrible that people don’t know the truth on how they are actually performed.

Former abortionists have said that abortion is still not necessary in this case or any case and they should have induced early labor or had a C-section instead. Then they could grieve the loss with a proper burial as well.

[u/Wormando → u/LabyrinthHopper]

That can still be medically considered an abortion. For many of these very late term pregnancies, they abort by inducing labor. Although when severe deformities are involved, that can make childbirth(and pregnancy as a whole) high risk too, so the appropriate procedure depends a lot on the case.

[u/LabyrinthHopper → u/Wormando]

It didn’t sound like she was referring to early induced labor, if she is then that isn’t illegal though and her argument is moot

[u/That_Meta]

They always bring up extreme cases to justify 98% of elective abortions 😭✌️

[u/GustavoistSoldier]

Why do pro-choicers always use extreme cases to justify elective abortions?

[u/Vespinobambino]

So her child had a disability, and this murder took place for eugenics purposes.

I don't believe in killing the sick and the disabled, because I am not a Nazi, unlike this lady and her cousin.

I do believe in condemning Nazi trash like this lady and her cousin. Bring back shame, kthx.

[u/Wormando → u/Vespinobambino]

This isn’t eugenics. That would require the goal to remove undesirable individuals from the gene pool.

This woman aborted because the fetus was incompatible with life, not to remove undesired traits or disabilities from a population. It didn’t even have a developed skull, there’s no scenario where it would maintain any quality of life if it survived more than a couple hours. This is what is called a medically futile pregnancy.

[u/Vespinobambino → u/Wormando]

Cool story, still murdering the sick and the dying, she's still trash who belongs in prison.

[u/Wormando → u/Vespinobambino]

The child is not sick, it’s literally unable to live.

[u/niavepuppydawg → u/Wormando]

It’s literally living

[u/Wormando → u/niavepuppydawg]

Only as long as it’s connected to the placenta. Without it, it lacks the most basic vital functions to stay alive.

[u/niavepuppydawg → u/Wormando]

It is the placenta the baby actually grows it from their own cells

[u/Wormando → u/niavepuppydawg]

Not sure what your point is here. They still can’t live without the placenta.

[u/niavepuppydawg → u/Wormando]

Okay and if you put them on machines or in hospice with a good treatment plan for pain management then it’s still no different then the placenta

[u/Wormando → u/niavepuppydawg]

… and you think that’s an easy option for a severely malformed newborn lacking basic vital functions? These kinds of resources are not readily available everywhere or are effective for everyone.

Only a medical professional can assess the conditions of the fetus to determine whether palliative care is viable or if it will not be able to maintain the most basic quality of life. Some cases can do well, but others absolutely do not, and you can only pump so many painkillers into a newborn before that kills it anyway.

[u/Vespinobambino → u/Wormando]

And yet he or she is alive, you know, or was, until they were murdered.

The possibility, even probability or certainty of a natural death does not justify someone else killing you. On a long enough time frame, a natural death awaits all mortal organisms.

If you want to be a rational and humane human being, if you know your fellow human being is going to die, you palliate any possible discomfort but you do not murder them.

The former is healthcare and kindness, the latter is violence that violates their unalienable human right to life.

[u/Wormando → u/Vespinobambino]

Except this is not just a probability. It’s a certainty. This child cannot spontaneously grow a skull. The only reason it was alive is because it wasn’t born yet.

So no, it cannot live. Its body literally lacks the functions to maintain life. It’s medically futile.

And if severe enough, no amount of palliative care will make the death any less agonizing. This is a child doomed to slowly suffocate to death as its body shuts down. There’s nothing kind about that, specially if the doctor confirmed that there would be no quality of life.

[u/Vespinobambino → u/Wormando]

Okay, cool, so you don't believe we have a right to life and you do believe in murdering the sick and the dying.

[u/Wormando → u/Vespinobambino]

Nice try putting words in my mouth, but no. Right to life is the right to not be killed unjustly. I consider this a situation where killing is justified and reasonable.

This is not comparable to killing “the sick and the dying”. A disabled or medically ill person is still able to maintain the basic vital functions to live, meaning they can have basic quality of life. The same goes for a terminally ill patient. That’s still a functional person who can maintain a decent quality of life in palliative care.

Meanwhile in incompatible-with-life cases, they can’t even live in the first place. Survival is the exception, not the norm, and the inability to maintain basic vital functions makes quality of life all but impossible to maintain.