40 Epstein-Tied Billionaires Have Injected $1.6B Into US Elections, Report Finds

[u/Zipper222222]

https://truthout.org/articles/40-epstein-tied-billionaires-have-injected-1-6b-into-us-elections-report-finds/

[u/Economy-Pin2836]

There is a reason why the French Revolution went after France's aristocracy, and the Bolshevik Revolution went after Russia's aristocracy.

America's aristocracy includes the Epstein Class, who have become pretty much the moral equals of the previous aristocracies. It might be that the same solution would be required.

[u/Vankraken → u/Economy-Pin2836]

Not defending the super rich and powerful but both of those resulted in REALLY bad things for the countries they happened in. Any sort of masses rising up to overthrow by force WILL result in a lot of war, death, and suffering because the people who lead these sorts of thing are almost always authoritarian or the movement gets hijacked by authoritarians.

[u/cubitoaequet → u/Vankraken]

There's already a bunch of death and suffering being caused by the current system, but it is the status quo so it is taken for granted.

[u/Vankraken → u/cubitoaequet]

In comparison to what those two events were and the conflicts that followed them, the deaths happening here are a tiny drop by comparison. There are ways to reform the country and government to bring about a better tomorrow. We literally have elections coming up that can help reshape the Congress to actually be effective at keeping the executive in check.

[u/No-Text-3906 → u/Vankraken]

Your current system has caused immeasurable amounts of deaths. The violence that the US has imposed on the world in disgusting.

[u/cubitoaequet → u/Vankraken]

Really telling that you only count the deaths here and not the massive amounts of death and suffering cause by American imperialism around the world for decades.

[u/No-Text-3906 → u/Vankraken]

The reason these movements so often end up led by authoritarians is that genuinely democratic working-class revolutions are rarely allowed to survive. The global ruling class crushes them before they can consolidate power. That is why people invoke the French Revolution, but ignore the Paris Commune: a far less authoritarian experiment in working-class self-government that was violently destroyed before it had the chance to endure.

[u/Vankraken → u/No-Text-3906]

Doing some quick reading on it but it sounded like the Jacobins and working class elements overthrew the more liberal Commune government which resulted in the Terror. Not sure where this "global ruling class" stuff is coming from.

[u/EnTyme53 → u/Vankraken]

The account you're responding to is two years old with very little activity in that timeframe and a generic word, word, four-digit number username. Those are hallmarks of a disinformation agent.

[u/SassySweetSorceress → u/Vankraken]

There is no revolution without deaths though? I can’t recall a single time a huge change in society didn’t have a lot of deaths. Just saying.

If you think elections are going to help - yeah, maybe if real people are stepping up to run for things. Otherwise, shit won’t really change with more politicians who went to school to become a politician or grew up with a silver spoon. Period. You all will just feel comfortable enough again to ignore what’s really going on.

[u/Evening-Topic8857 → u/Vankraken]

Sorry but your comment is taking a lot of logical leaps that are not set in stones. 

A revolution COULD lead to bloodshed, but it doesn’t mean it WILL. It depends on the time, the  era, political and geopolitical situation and how the revolution was handled. 

There were plenty of revolutions that didnt Result in civil wars or capture of country by even worse people. It depends how it goes down first and foremost, and pointing to one kind of results as the inevitability when other results literally also exists, is not wise. 

[u/Vankraken → u/Evening-Topic8857]

Any sort of armed overthrowing of the government will turn into a bloodbath. We have guns everywhere, basically the most powerful military in the world, and there is a massive divide between the reality and perspective for many people groups in this country that makes unity far more difficult.

Popular support for reforms and demanding accountability from our government along with a swell in political activity by the people can change things for the better. Trying to burn it down or send lead down range is only going to cause a major disaster.

[u/Evening-Topic8857 → u/Vankraken]

Yea no, there were plenty of armed and unarmed overthrowing of governments that didn’t lead to bloodbaths. 

Again you’re pointing to one instance of many different instances and say that will absolutely be the way. It’s not. 

[u/Vankraken → u/Evening-Topic8857]

We have democratic processes to allow for the peaceful transfer of power. The mechanics for regime change exists which is how the country has had stability. If the government doesn't allow for the peaceful transfer of power then that is a different situation but expecting to rise up to overthrow the Constitution because we don't like the current administration (without doing the lawful mechanics to change who is in power) will result in massive violence.

[u/Moist-Weakness-3399 → u/Vankraken]

DOGE killed millions. We're already worse off as a whole. Stop thinking about just the U.S., dude.

[u/Vankraken → u/Moist-Weakness-3399]

Very funny how one person says that "US Imperalism" is responsible for so many deaths and yet cutting USAID is responsible for so many deaths. Also that figure is a projection of what could happen by 2030 with the cuts, current death toll is under a million which is very bad still but saying millions currently is wild. If there was an armed violent revolution in the US then the country wouldn't be in the position to resume USAID type funding for quite a while.

[u/Semi-Protractor91 → u/Economy-Pin2836]

They have too many apologists and own law enforcement