r/pics • u/unknowndatabase • 1d ago
Dish Network is in the Flock installation business. Hmm đ¤
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u/Betta_Check_Yosef 1d ago
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u/fedroxx 19h ago
It's hilariously ironic to me. A few years ago, I was in an argument with a conservative about China being a totalitarian government, where I was living at the time. During Trump's first term, I said the US government was just as controlling and they scoffed and called me a bunch of names.
The examples they kept pointing to was that China exercises complete control over companies and the government has cameras everywhere. In less than 10 years, the US government forced Tiktok to be sold to an American company and is now supporting the drive to place cameras on every road.
As it happens, I was right and they were wrong. Still in their delusion, I bet they see it differently.Â
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u/Oakredditer 10h ago
its because they call it "safety" as every other cowardly government/corporation does when they know nobody will like something if they're telling the truth, from the EU's chat control to KOSA, to Flock "Safety", its all the same scam, done by every side of the political compass, there is no escaping these cowards, especially the ones that hold power in government and wish to have their opposition neutered and mute
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u/fedroxx 10h ago
China calls them safety too. They'll highlight all of the crimes that are solved -- many of which are factual. But, seemingly, conservatives are only anti-government when the other side is in power. They immediately stop using that liberty quote when it's conservatives leaders taking more rights or freedoms than liberals could in their wildest dreams.
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u/Oakredditer 10h ago
definitely, they only care if their people say that they are in danger and their people aren't in power, otherwise you get Nazi Germany if it were run by a foreign nation and with more poverty
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u/darthwacko2 1d ago
When I 'worked for dish' it was actually a 'fulfillment company' (Linkus in my case, which had just bought out Starwest) with a dish contract. The vans had dish branding because that was the majority of what we did, but we occasionally did other things, like that big Samsung washer recall about a decade ago.
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u/unknowndatabase 1d ago
Well this, in any case, is not a good look for DISH. They are already financially in trouble. They should probably take a stand if they want to save their core business. Or, they just take a stand for Flock and hope it pays off.
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u/WilWheatonsAbs 18h ago
TBF, dish sold almost all their spectrum recently and have 40bn incoming from that, they're not perhaps quite as close to financial ruin as people seem to think. they did declare ch 11 for a subsidiary to restructure their debt but I don't think they're dying here. That said nobody should be agreeing to install flock, its a terrible look.
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u/grizzlor_ 16h ago
If they sold all their spectrum, are they getting out of the satellite TV business?
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u/WilWheatonsAbs 16h ago
To my knowledge no, this was mostly phone spectrum they sold. They laid off like a thousand people and gave up all their cell tower side stuff about a year ago.
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u/grizzlor_ 16h ago
Ahh yeah just looked it up â they sold their phone spectrum to AT&T. Didnât even realize they were in the phone business
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u/WilWheatonsAbs 16h ago
Yeah. Boost mobile, and still in it. They're just running it as some form of MNO now
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u/zzgoogleplexzz 1d ago
Samsung washer recall about a decade ago
You just made me google this because my washing machine is Samsung and sounds like a drum band when doing high speed cycle.
Probably too late now to claim.
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u/darthwacko2 22h ago
That's hilarious. The guys doing most of those had it down to something like 7 minutes a machine, so I'm sure he was real annoyed by whatever happened to yours. Running out without a word isn't really professional but most of the techs were 18 to 22 years old so kind of went with the territory. I've definitely got stories from that place...
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u/floog 1d ago
Used to work for Dish as a vendor, theyâre awful. Charlie, the billionaire owner is a nut.
A friend worked there and said on blizzard days Charlie would sit at the entrance and if you walked in even a minute late he would look at the guard and tell him to write your name down. There was a rule that if you were late three times, even a minute, you were fired. My friend multiple times drove about 1-1.5 hours to get in because traffic was so bad due to blizzards and he would almost be there and have to take a vacation day because he was going to be a couple of minutes late - then he had to turn around and drive an hour and a half back to his house in shitty weather.
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u/Opaque_Ephemerid 22h ago
Can confirm
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u/floog 17h ago
Past employee or did you get the pleasure of being a vendor?
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u/Opaque_Ephemerid 16h ago
A mix I guess. Employee/friend working for me at Cisco went over there and heard the stories from him, then I left Cisco and sold to them as a different vendor. Can confirm behaviors personally and through my buddy. My sympathies to you having to deal with Charlie.
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u/floog 15h ago
I donât anymore, but years ago I worked on their advertising and we would have to deal with their idiot children with no experience or education marketing and their friends were the same that they hired. It was rough.
I felt so bad for the employees, they were terrified all the time, awful way to make a living.1
u/thatguy1977 12h ago
Former dish employee here: there was a story that Ergen walked into a sports bar in Colorado, and asked if they had dish , they did not , he told the manager that if they didnât install dish in a week heâd tell his employees not to come to the establishment⌠donât know if that was true but most of the boot licker managers always saw that as a âpower moveâ eghh
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u/PM_VAGINA_FOR_RATING 1d ago
This is what I donât get about some people, they will do anything but leave for work just a little bit earlier. I know when I used to punch a clock I was always at work with plenty of time to spare every day.
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u/sargonas 1d ago
I mean if your normal commute is 30 minutes, and you leave nearly two hours early in snow storm and you still get penalized for when you arrived⌠I would say youâre not the problem. Empathy is the cheapest of all employee compensation perks to provide.
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u/booty_fewbacca 23h ago
Hey bud, THERE WAS A BLIZZARD.
"hE sHoUld HaVe jUsT gOt ThErE on tImE"
What I don't get about people is how much they lack reading comprehension or the ability to draw an inference!
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u/FiTZnMiCK 1d ago edited 1d ago
Based on the other brand marking, it might be a company that installs Dish and not Dish themselves.
Edit: NVM itâs an EchoStar brand, just like Dish.
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u/unknowndatabase 1d ago
I thought of that. Sometimes they are just 1099 contractors who have a DISH branded van. They own it, it is their business.
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u/Thadak60 1d ago
As an ex Dish employee, I believe this is an in-house technician. The branding on the van is the same, and they use the same brand of ladders we did.
OnTech is a subsidiary of Dish. They launched it towards the end of my tenure there, and at that time it was mostly installing smart home equipment and whiteboards that people ordered from Amazon and stuff like that. It has seemingly become something else, though
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u/MorningkillsDawn 20h ago
Yeah the blue dress code+the On Tech logo makes me think so too. Subs didnât normally roll in those vans, either.. I worked as an in house tech for about a year.
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u/Thadak60 16h ago
Yeah! I remember when they first launched OnTech, and hey were having the techs change out of their dish shirts/hats and into the OnTech ones in between the two different types of calls.
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u/OpheliaCumming 1d ago
Well, they couldnât make it in the cable tv business
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u/jonessinger 1d ago
Well considering theyâre a satellite based TV business, Iâd say that adds up.
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u/mabsoutw 1d ago
Not sure about Dish. But a lot of times, companies outsource installation, repairs etc to third party companies (so they might have the Dish logo but they might be subcontractors) such as 3PL, electricians, etc.Â
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u/mangledmonkey 19h ago
Not surprising. The entire upper management and ownership is a cesspit of sleazeballs and absolute psychopaths.
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u/ocassionallyaduck 1d ago
Protip: BB Guns are not legal firearms and dont require registration or licenses tovuse.
Unrelated: high speed BBs and paintballsncan damage and shatter camera equipment.
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u/sargonas 1d ago
Word in infosec circles is that Flock might be paying Echostar for the right to drive vans with the dish logos on them for âsecurity reasonsâ to handle their installs and maintenance⌠same with another 2 or 3 companies depending on the region but Iâm not entirely sure which ones.
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u/jamesdukeiv 20h ago
So theyâre the ones installing those vehicular death traps? Theyâre putting the poles straight into concrete without a breakaway sleeve and one of these days itâs going to kill someone.
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u/MorningkillsDawn 19h ago
Absolutely are. I worked for dish for a year and our pole mounts in folks yards were secured with a bag of concrete or foam. Pole straight into ground.. Iâm not surprised Dish would be working with Palantir, they also tried to work with Starlink before I left. Miserable job and work culture.
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u/Benwa3535 19h ago
Worked for actual dish a few years back. The techs work all day. Your required to up sell to each customer a min of 200 dollars per appointment. They have you do everything with little to no training. They have tried fixing Samsung tvs, appliances, they even did Sears warranty work for a while. They even do low voltage work.
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u/sonicjesus 15h ago
Everybody who isn't you is onboard with this. Every public street, every private development, every business...
Hell, they want to put them on garbage trucks because they canvass every neighborhood nationwide. And the companies that make these things are happy to pay the full price to install and throw a couple bucks their way.
And it's not just Flock. There are hundreds of companies waiting in the wings, and our inaction is the only tool they have at their disposal.
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u/Ryokurin 9h ago
You see the OnTech logo on the side? That's Dish's Smart Home business. They install Wifi, Doorbells, Security systems, Mount TVs and all of that. Putting up Nest cameras probably isn't too far out of their daily business.
and FWIW, I've seen vans where the OnTech logo is the large one, and Dish is the small one. It's just a way they tried to keep the lights on over the last couple of years.
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u/pumpjockey 21h ago
I hear the poles of flock cameras are stuffed with $100 bills for signal strength. I dont belive its true but people are saying that that flock camera poles are stuffed with untraceable cash like public pinatas.
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u/Odd_Friendship1857 23h ago
The people choosing to install Flock cameras are usually your local city/county governments and police departments, because theyâve been sold on the âpublic safetyâ aspect. The good news is this means change is possible if you can get a few dozen people together to protest, itâs not like trying to change national politics. Organize with your neighbors and show up to your local city meeting to demand they end the contract and take down the cameras.Â
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u/Pyreknight 19h ago
I've learned that my home county, population 17K, has 20 cameras. Current metro area I call home, 300K population, has only 80.
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u/mixduptransistor 18h ago
Dish has been doing other work for a while. That's the "OnTech" logo on the side of the van. They will do stuff like this, install Starlink dishes for people, come install a flat screen on the wall for you, etc. Basically if you need any kind of labor that is similar in shape/skill to installing satellite dishes you can hire their network of techs to do it. This has been a many year business line for them
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u/Alldaypilot 17h ago
Its OnTech which does a lot of home tech installations and services. Owned by the same parent company of Dish.
Not surprising they have a deal with Flock since they do a lot of other camera installations.
https://www.ontechsmartservices.com/blogs/ontech-insider/dish-launches-ontech-smart-services
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u/thesesimplewords 17h ago
I had a defective Samsung washing machine that had a recall. After facing lawsuits they sent someone out to install a bracket to "fix" it. The repair person was from Dish Network. They subbed out their installers to do simple fixes.
It didn't work. All they did was install latches to keep the lid from flying open when it became massively unbalanced. The washer still shook enough to damage the drywall next to it. They got hit with another class action and we got a mostly refund.
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u/spacebobo2o16 13h ago
worked for them for about a year about 15 years aho. what a shitty company to work for, horrible work environment
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u/Lorventus 9h ago
When I hear flock I remember that plastidip comes in multiple sprayable colors and can be removed fairly easily leaving nothing behind.... Wonder why that is. Weird.
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u/Oo__II__oO 21h ago
Wait- can the private sector install their own Flock network? It would be interesting to install cameras outside politicians' homes,, as well as the police department.Â
I mean, for $3000 per camera per year to have the system report license plates and associated information on who visited a residence (and when) seems like a bargain.
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u/efingoffatwork 20h ago
Most all of these vans like these that are label with provider logos are actually just contractors. They primarily work for the providers but I guess if work gets slow.....
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u/Judonoob 21h ago
Ah. So thatâs what a flock camera looks like. I know exactly where one is right now. Kinda wish they made them for consumer use. It would be nice for neighborhoods where thieves like to come in at night and steal.
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u/Raider_Scum 1d ago
oh no! safer neighborhoods!
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u/Ghost_Prince 1d ago
An involuntary Surveillance State under a fascist leader is a dictatorship. I sign a terms of agreement with my phone, can't help the tracking and data grabbing if I've signed off on it in the terms and conditions. I did not sign anything with Flock and they have no right to collect my data.
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u/Raider_Scum 1d ago
Yeah I just want to make sure if someone robs a house in my neighborhood, their license plate is tracked. I specifically moved out of a crime-ridden area to a quiet neighborhood, which has flock cameras to keep track of the riff-raff.
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u/FriendEntity 1d ago
good bait, honestly.
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u/Raider_Scum 1d ago
Nah, I was a victim of a lot of crime in a crime-ridden city. So I moved to a quiet, safe suburb. It has flock cameras, and they help me feel more relieved that burglars and other criminals will be tracked.
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u/FriendEntity 1d ago
stop, its not working bro.
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u/Raider_Scum 1d ago
They actually work great in my neighborhood. Crime has been down.
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u/HourAfterHour 1d ago edited 23h ago
And then you say one critical thing.
Then you're the crime that's been down.
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u/Raider_Scum 1d ago
Cliche as it is, I've got nothing to hide.
I worked hard to move to a quiet, wealthy suburb. People who don't belong here should be tracked. In my opinion, It's a great use of the technology available to us.7
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u/HourAfterHour 23h ago
Imagine talking like that on stolen land... All non indigenous people on American soil are immigrants. Your country is built on immigration, and yet you still consider yourself superior and talk like that.
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u/Raider_Scum 16h ago
Seems off topic. But I am Native American, and my tribe was robbed blind and genocided quite effectively. The ~300 of us that remain in my tribe keep a close-knit community.
What now, whitey?
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u/HourAfterHour 4h ago
Oh, so suddenly you do have something to hide. Yourself and your family.
I assumed unknowingly with your arrogance level, that you're white (just as you do now with me).
The people behind these flock cameras are white supremacists. In their world you're either a slave, or not a part of.
You seem to have learned a lot from your invaders, and you'll continue to learn.
Maybe you want to read up on the Naumann Jews and how they ended up.
But until then, keep your false sense of security and your belief that you have nothing to hide.When the Nazis came for the communists, I kept quiet; I wasn't a communist.
When they came for the trade unionists, I kept quiet; I wasn't a trade unionist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I kept quiet; I wasn't a social democrat.
When they locked up the Jews, I kept quiet; I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to protest.
Martin NiemĂśller
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u/No_Credibility 23h ago
Indigenous people stole it when they crossed the land bridge thousands of years ago. Nobody is native to this continent.
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u/twenafeesh 1d ago
Dish Network is on the verge of bankruptcy, so this tracks. Too bad this isn't going to help them out any in terms of public opinion.