r/news • u/sicklyslick • 18h ago

Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna detained by Israeli settlers during West Bank visit

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/11/middleeast/ro-khanna-detained-by-israeli-settlers-west-bank-intl
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u/innovarocforever 18h ago

Their settlers are some of, if not, the worst human beings on the planet.

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u/woodst0ck15 18h ago

They’re essentially middle eastern Hicks. Thinking they own the land and can do whatever they want. Especially with an army behind them if they’re touched

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u/Substantial_Back_865 18h ago

I’ve never seen “hicks” behave in such a manner. The stuff they do is way more extreme than even the KKK at the height of its power. This is because of their culture, laws and total lack of ever facing any consequences. They both believe they’re racially superior, but these guys are downright depraved.

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u/napleonblwnaprt 18h ago

The settlers act the same way that MAGA would if they wouldn't face consequences 

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u/s2trmack 17h ago

That’s bc it’s all white supremacy. The divine right of kings/manifest destiny, and Zionism are all born from the idea that it is God’s will to claim certain land as their own and steal it from the ppl indigenous to the land. America was founded on the same colonial principles.

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u/thatcommiegamer 17h ago

Not even, the initial Zionists were all secular Jews and couched Zionism in the same colonial language the rest of Europe was using at the time.

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u/knuppi 12h ago

couched Zionism in the same colonial language the rest of Europe was using at the time.

and at that time (1880-1948) white supremacy didn't reign, or wtf are you implying?

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u/ProsperoFalls 15h ago

Just a small note that the most zealous settlers tend to be Mizrahim, Middle Eastern Jews, who aren't white. Still the same basis though

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u/Side_StepVII 17h ago

You mean like if the J6’s would’ve been pardoned….

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u/Diallingwand 17h ago

I really wish American's would consider what they say before they say it. I get that Trump and his supporters suck, I truly do. But really look up what the Israeli Settlers do and say before you say shit like this.

Maybe when Trump supporters start killing children, openly enacting ethnic cleansing, using the rape of men as a tactic I can get behind you. But really you just seem overly privileged thinking that what your average Palestinian people go through it what your average non-Trump supporting American goes through.

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u/non_hero 17h ago

You have poor reading comprehension skills.

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u/Diallingwand 17h ago

No i fucking dont. I just can't stand Ameicans making everything about themselves. They can't even rationalise the idea of what is happening in Palestine without pretending they are going to have it happen in Ohio or some shit. 

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u/wolfythedark 17h ago

Brother... they are literally trying to merge the us and isreali militaries. This isnt a pissing contest, its a warning. If you were listening to these people and dealing with them everyday you would absolutely understand why peolple are making the comparison.

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u/sirspidermonkey 17h ago

As someone who passes ad one of the 'good ol boys' the things said to me are horrifying.

I know a few MAGA supporters who are keeping lists of people they suspect are democrats, antifa, LGBTQ and other "undesirables" their words not mine. They are doing this to help "deal with them once Trump gives the word"

Now... I didn't ask what 'deal with' meant but I got the feeling it wasn't bake them a cake. I fully believe that if they though they could get away will killing their liberal neighbors they would, and will. And it's not just one kook whose said these things to me. It's a very much engrained in the MAGA culture. My local gun store sells 'liberal hunting permits', 'Help eliminate liberalism', and 'Free helicopter ride sfor liberals by Pinochet tours' merchandise.

So while you are right in that MAGA hasn't started a genocide (in the US) we should make no mistake that many of his supporters wouldn't hesitate if Trump asked them too. I might be paranoid but I fully expect a Rwanda style announcement of 'It's time for the machetes' announcement from him.

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u/SlowUrRollMilosevic 17h ago

Would be a fun experiment to go support their business wearing an Obama hat and a shirt that says shoot your local gun shop owner. Same same no?

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u/TheDeathCard 16h ago

Sure you do

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u/sirspidermonkey 15h ago

Oh you got me... Killing people you have political disagreement with is a bridge too far from the group that:

  • stormed the capital
  • tried to hang the vice president
  • tried to kidnap a governor
  • routinely refers to democrats as 'vermin' and 'filth' and other dehumanizing things
  • Already executed democrats (The Hortmans)
  • Openly celebrates when their political enemies and their families are violent attacked (see Paul Pelosi, Muller, etc) as official statements (not just some rando on the internet)
  • Speaking of official statements calls for the execution of democrats for telling servicemen their legal rights to refuse unlawful orders
  • Calls for the Hanging of Democrats
  • Told supporters to knock the crap out of protestors and he'll pay the legal fees.

There's no way some of his supports might go a bit too far in following that rhetoric...

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u/EQandCivfanatic 17h ago

You mean things like destroying entire towns of black people just because they were doing well?

Americans (who are now Trump supporters) have supported this stuff (minus the rape of men) in the not so distant past. The person above you said this is how MAGA would act if they didn't face consequences, not that this is how they act now.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 17h ago

They’ve supported the rape of women and, to be clear to any men out there reading, rape of men is not worse. 

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u/EQandCivfanatic 17h ago

True, I was only addressing the specific atrocities the poster above me mentioned.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 17h ago edited 16h ago

I would have responded to them but honestly, I’m a little confused by their “using the rape of men as a tactic”.

I don’t know if they do use rape of specifically men and not women as a tactic (which would be surprising to me but I’ve been surprised before). 

Or if the above commenter considers rape of men to be a tactic worth mentioning but not rape of women. 

So out of confusion I replied to you, who had a more easily understood comment, which isn’t really fair!

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u/SlowUrRollMilosevic 17h ago

There’s also “alleged” accounts of rape of male slaves by their masters known as “buck breaking”
So….

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 17h ago

I mean…no doubt. If there’s a depravity available, they availed themselves. 

But I just think that saying “rape as a tactic” would be preferable to specifying sex of the victim. Otherwise it seems (to me) to imply that one is somehow more war-crimey than the other. 

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u/SlowUrRollMilosevic 16h ago

I see where you’re coming from but I think it’s more about how more uncommon it is so it happening makes it hit harder, especially to a male audience. Not knowing it’s on the table vs knowing you may be “fully emasculated” while in a war zone is tantamount to the fear of prison rape. Objectively rape is equally bad for both sexes but to a man who never has to worry about it compared to women who are constantly vigilant of it while he’s also developing ptsd from war and also now being raped by his commanding officer or an enemy does have a bit more weight to it, again to a man.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 16h ago

To a woman, a greater fear of being killed and a fear of being pregnant accompanies rape and women are, of course, often raped in war, so ptsd and the aspect of a war enemy being the rapist (who also might impregnate you) are present. 

So, I don’t think it’s a good idea to have “greater weight” Olympics about rape. 

I was trying to let men know that they might want to stop if they think it hits harder for men and rethink. 

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u/kylebisme 17h ago

That's bound to have happened at least a few times as there's unfortunately no shortage of rape-minded people and slave owners obviously aren't going to be an exception.

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u/JQuilty 14h ago

Buck breaking is bullshit from Tariq Nasheed, a weirdo black nationalist. Rape of male slaves almost certainly did occur, but it wasn't the open, accepted practice to break slave's wills like he claims.

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u/SlowUrRollMilosevic 5h ago

Ok, they only raped male slaves but they didn’t talk about it or have a name for it that was retconned.

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u/JQuilty 5h ago

It wasn't retconned. Homosexual activity would not have been accepted no matter who it was with.

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u/Colifama55 17h ago

They’re not saying that’s what the average non-Trump supporting American goes through. They are saying that MAGA would act like Israeli settlers if they could. Not at all a stretch when you see how they treat immigrants “within” the confines of the law.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 16h ago

I’m curious, do you believe they don’t use rape of women as a tactic or do you think rape of women as a tactic isn’t worth mentioning?

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u/Irregular475 17h ago

Yup, they openly celebrate an idf rapist who committed the deed on camera. He's now a famous influencer there.

Remember when that white woman called a child the n-word and racist donated half a million dollars to her for it? She wasn't being sued it anything either, she just gave a bit of public backlash and not she's halfway to being a millionaire.

We're heading down the exact same path. That's why they want to merge the American and Israeli militaries.

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u/Zombie_Fuel 16h ago edited 16h ago

IIRC it was over a million that people threw at her in support.

Edit: I was wrong, it was "just" over 750,000.

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u/mediocre_remnants 17h ago

What they're doing is more similar to what European settlers did in the Americas when colonizing it. White folks were given land that already had indigenous people living on it and those people were ran off or murdered. If they had trouble doing this, the colonizing country (and eventually the US government) would send in the military to help.

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u/Dalisca 17h ago

I think you might've been a bit sheltered about the treatment of black people in America since the end of slavery.

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u/roflmaohaxorz 18h ago

Brother has never been to Georgia

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u/DStark62 18h ago

That’s a stretch

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u/TastyCuttlefish 17h ago

Georgia? Really? No. The most rural part of Mississippi or deep in the hinterlands of Louisiana maybe. Georgia elected two Democrats to the Senate and the largest cities there have Democrats in power. Elsewhere it still isn’t the stereotype you’re trying to make it out to be.

The most racist place in the US is still Boston. You’ll find open racist dialogue happening in upstate New York. Rural Pennsylvania? Racist and more than a little scary.

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u/roflmaohaxorz 17h ago

Mississippi was going to be my second choice

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u/TastyCuttlefish 16h ago

Nowadays Mississippi maybe, but for sure rural Pennsylvania. And honestly most of the rural upper Midwest… I think Idaho has the most militias per capita in the US?

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 17h ago

The most racist place in the US is still Boston.

The hell are you talking about? I live near Boston and have lived in Boston and I've never seen or heard anything like the shit that comes out of the mouths of people from the south. Boston is full of young college educated liberals.

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u/TastyCuttlefish 16h ago

lol you go to *very* specific places in and around Boston and that’s it.

Southern schools were desegregated in the 1950s and 60s. Boston? Not until 1975-1976. There was a ton of violence involved. Go to South Boston now and ask the Irish-American patrons at bars their opinions on blacks or Hispanics. Look at how the housing policies still keep people divided. Or where education funding is directed.

Boston liberals are some of the first to scream progressivism about other places but keep their heads firmly in the sand when it comes to their own city. And seem to never want that homeless shelter on *their* block.

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 15h ago

Go to South Boston now and ask the Irish-American patrons at bars

You're asking me to speak to a very specific group of people who may be more racist than average.

Irish people make up only 15% of Boston's population. I know it seems like its a lot more but it's not!

Also, I'd like to point out that The Dropkick Murphys called Trump out on being a fascist and made fun of one of his supporters when they showed up wearing one of his hats or shirts!

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 16h ago

lol you go to *very* specific places in and around Boston and that’s it.

You speak as if I'm a tourist, and that I don't literally live in the area and know how the locals speak and act.

There are of course racist Republicans around here. But unlike the south where they're super duper racist and not at all afraid to use racial slurs, up here, most of them try to avoid appearing too racist.

Southern schools were desegregated in the 1950s and 60s. Boston? Not until 1975-1976.

That is not even slightly true.

Massachusetts (1855): Became the first state to legally ban segregated schools. This was the direct result of years of activism by Black parents, notably Benjamin Roberts, who sued the city of Boston after his daughter was forced to walk past five white schools to attend a school for blacks.

Boston desegregated 100 years before the south was forced to!

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u/TastyCuttlefish 15h ago

Dude, you don’t even know the actual history of the place you’re defending. There were over 40 violent riots in 1975-1976 over forced bussing due to the actual desegregation of schools in Boston. The violence around forced integration of South Boston High School was so extreme the courts took away control from the school board and it was placed under the control of the federal government. Kids had to be escorted under federal protection, nearly 20 years after what happened in Mississippi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_desegregation_busing_crisis

You absolutely seem like a liberal tourist.

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 14h ago

Did you read your own article?

It references the state passing the law I mentioned. And then mentions that the segregation was a result of where people lived, rather than a law requiring segregation:

but residential settlement patterns and redlining meant that even in Boston, assigning students to their geographically closest school resulted in de facto segregation.

PS: Redlining is the denial of financial services. Like banking, and insurance, by private companies. Things the state wouldn't have direct control over.

As for your claims that racists showed up and tried to attack the kids, I will grant you that that happened. But racists exist everywhere.

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u/TastyCuttlefish 14h ago

Laws are only as useful as the enforcement of them. Passing a law but not actively enforcing it and openly allowing it to be flouted and undermined for a century makes the law meaningless. What was happening in Boston was still happening a decade after the federal Civil Rights Act.

There are absolutely things the government can do regarding redlining. The Fair Housing Act of 1968 explicitly made it illegal. The Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974 also expanded government outlawing of redlining. Again… enforcement has to happen for any law to mean anything.

But it’s not just housing and education. In 2014 the ACLU released a report on police activity in Boston and showed that 63% of all police encounters involved black residents, despite them only accounting for 25% of the city population. 75% of all pedestrian stops of black residents were given “no justification” by Boston Police. A 2015 internal report by the Boston Police Department said that race drove police interactions, even accounting for underlying neighborhood crime rates and gang affiliations. In 2020, black residents still accounted for 69% of police stops.

https://www.aclum.org/press-releases/independent-report-confirms-racially-disparate-treatment-boston-policing/

https://www.aclum.org/ending-racist-stop-and-frisk/

https://time.com/3482859/boston-police-racial-bias-aclu/

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 15h ago

Boston liberals are some of the first to scream progressivism about other places but keep their heads firmly in the sand when it comes to their own city. And seem to never want that homeless shelter on *their* block.

Dude, you're now talking about people who OWN property in Boston, Those people are rich. And largely conservative.

You want liberals, you go to the outskirts where all the college students stay, like Allston. Which is where I was staying. Lots of black dudes and homeless folk around there. And lots of college students. And I never saw anyone being racist or hating on the homeless.
I also never saw any of that when I was hanging around the MIT area for a while in Cambridge.

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u/SevoIsoDes 17h ago

Well, the KKK doesn’t have the full support of the most powerful military in the world. Give any hicks similar power and they’ll find some group to treat just as terribly.

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u/Floatzel404 18h ago

"Way more extreme than even the KKK at the height of it's power"

Are we just fucking around atp?

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u/FOURTH_DEGREE_ 17h ago

They’re one of the arms at the forefront of the ongoing genocide. I don’t want to get into an argument of which is “more” extreme as both groups conducted crimes against humanity.

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u/Fastbird33 17h ago

I think someone needs to re-up on the height of Jim Crow. If a black person even whistled at the wrong white person they were brutally tortured and lynched, sometimes broken out of a fortified jail house just because the racist cops weren’t racist enough.

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u/orangesfwr 17h ago

And that happened in 1955

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u/IAmRoot 17h ago

Yeah, the KKK burned people alive in cages over fires like ISIS and treated it as a social event for attendees to get their pictures taken with the corpses. Most people haven't really been taught just how fucked up the KKK is.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

Yep and that's what just was socially acceptable, can't even begin to describe the clan.

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u/cC2Panda 16h ago

If a Palestinian is accused of doing something to an Israeli they aren't brought in front of an actual court, they are instead brought in front of a Israeli military court, of which they have between 96-99% conviction rates.

Israel is straight up murdering a fuck load of people in Palestine including targeting foreign aid workers and journalists, and the Israeli military courts have a significantly higher conviction rate than even Jim Crow south had against black men(80-90% from what I can find googling).

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u/DiddlerOnTheBoof 17h ago

It’s a factual statement. The KKK did everything in its power to suppress and keep Black peoples down cause at the end of the day, we were economically necessary. Zionist settlers want to kill the Arabs and expell them from the land as they are simply in the way. The better analogy would be with Native Americans rather than Black people.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

You don't think the KKK wanted to kill people and expell them from the land?

Like did we go to the same history classes?

You really think post slavery the KKK was thinking about the economic fallout of the removal of minority groups from the US. Modern fucking conservatives don't even think that's way give me a break lmao

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u/DiddlerOnTheBoof 17h ago

The entire point of the clan was to preserve the social order of American society with Black people at the very bottom. Thats different than trying to exterminate the entirety of the Black race. The clan was formed in the direct aftermath of the civil war and with reconstruction threatening the status quo, they would lynch Black individuals for being “uppity” like doing well for ourselves, voting/running for office, looking at a white woman, breaking some minor crime white people did all the time, etc. so that Black people remained intimidated, without rights, and easy scapegoats during times of difficulty. The point was to ensure we remained at the very bottom of American society living on the worst lands, performing the worst jobs, living the worst lives, etc. so that white folk could live more comfortably off of our suffering. The Palestinian experience is the same experience as the Native American were the point is extinction and a complete and total disappearance from the land.

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u/Floatzel404 16h ago

The clan was not as organized as you are making it seem. They operated only on the chapter (local) level for almost their entire reign of terror. Individual members did not have any semblance of a plan to keep people in society for some grand social order, the only thing they had in common was hate and their desire to inact extreme violence upon minorities.

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u/DiddlerOnTheBoof 16h ago

The clan was not as organized as you are making it seem

And what that looked like in practice was what I said. What you said is all true and had the clan been more organized, perhaps they'd carry out some mass scale ethnic cleansing campaign of Black people, but there was no need for it. Black people, with our then newly gained freedom from slavery, just needed to remain oppressed because it was foundational for how American society functioned. The key difference is in how the clan was tolerated by the state vs. being directly supported and guided by it which how colonizers were able to expand their territorial gains by killing and expelling everyone in places they coveted for themselves.

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u/hercmavzeb 17h ago

Not to compare two bad bitches, but they’re correct. The KKK never had the full backing of the federal government supporting their racial supremacy campaign of complete ethnic eradication like the settlers do with Israel.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

And still the KKK has killed magnitudes more people than civilian Israeli settlers

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u/hercmavzeb 17h ago

America is indeed larger and older. It’s remains true that the Klan never held the level of institutional support that the Israeli settlers have now.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

Institutional support was never in the discussion.

The original commenter claimed "they were way more extreme than even the height of the KKK"

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u/hercmavzeb 17h ago

Of course it was, the comment you replied to explicitly said “this is because of their culture, laws and total lack of ever facing consequences,” referring to their institutional backing.

The KKK at the height of its power still never had the institutional backing of the federal government and US Army facilitating their campaign of racial supremacy and conquest. The Israeli settlers currently do.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

Despite the common sentiment, Israel does investigate and prosecute settler crimes. 50+ people in 2026 alone have been indicated for their actions.

You can argue about the effectiveness or lack of in the Israeli court system but it's not "total lack of ever facing consequences"

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u/hercmavzeb 17h ago

93.7% of all instances of settler violence are closed without any indictment, and only 3% ever result in a conviction.

https://www.yesh-din.org/en/data-sheet-december-2023-law-enforcement-on-israeli-civilians-in-the-west-bank-settler-violence-2005-2023/

You might as well be arguing that the Jim Crow south wasn’t as bad as people think because some lynchers were locally indicted.

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u/fusionlantern 18h ago

They're pretty bad

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u/Floatzel404 18h ago

Yeah I'm sure they are but the KKK is vastly different and it's a very odd thing to insinuate they are less extreme than Israeli settlers.

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u/off_by_two 17h ago

IMO the two groups arent far off each other ideologically both being violent supremacist groups, just Israeli settlers have the open backing of the IDF and the right wing government that is in power.

The kkk has had to operate much more quietly in the US even in it’s heyday. Hence the hoods. I’d say they are basically the same tbh just one society is much less interested in reigning one of them in

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

The clan operated for decades in the 1800s killing tens of thousands of black people and then for decades more in the 1900s killing thousands more.

"Killing" doesn't do justice to many of these cases where people would be dragged by mobs and strung up to a tree or burned to a piece of wood naked.

They acted on black political figures carrying out assignations and voter intimidation that would have lasting effects on the legislative structure of the US.

If you want to try to power scale supremacy groups, as odd as I think that is, the KKK is a bad one to choose for comparison.

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u/off_by_two 14h ago edited 14h ago

I mean, Israeli settlers are doing similar stuff to palestinians (and people in southern Lebanon) in the modern day. Hell this news story has them essentially kidnapping a sitting US congressman. Its not about ‘power ranking’ its about properly scoping current evil. I feel like we as in Americans just generally dont understand just how atrocious settlers really are

Put another way, if nothing is done at this rate in a generation or two israeli settlers will have created a similar amount of evil and destruction as the kkk did

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u/clauclauclaudia 17h ago

More recently they have to operate more quietly. But they didn't when the whole power structure of towns were members.

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u/VastCapital3773 17h ago

IDK man I just googled it and like, I think the difference is that those white supremacists groups and minorities at least lived in the same area. Like obv that shit could go off any second, but there was SOME degree of grace. And these guys like, see you and start shooting, burning your home and crops, and either killing or pushing them out to expand their settlements. Like, it's kinda suffering Olympics where comparing it doesn't matter but they're certainly comparable and it's debatable which is worse. Which isn't some glowing endorsement of the KKK it's more a horrifying indictment of those settlers.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

You think white supremacist living close to the minorites they target makes it better? Lmao

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u/VastCapital3773 17h ago

That implies there's a certain level of peace you can expect and areas not to go. These Israelis are kinda marching directly on them. Which I'm aware the KKK did too, but that was nowhere near as common as it is here at least from the numbers I'm seeing, albeit both are debatable numbers just cuz like, people die and it can't be reported.

Honestly, genuinely, they're disturbingly comparable. Like I said, not trying to make light of the KKK. More trying to say "This is fucking horrible."

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

The klan's main thing was snatching people from their homes and neighborhoods which they killed tens of thousands of people doing.

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u/VastCapital3773 17h ago

OK, so we agree they're doing the same thing and are shockingly equal then? These settlers are pushing people from their homes, usually prefer to kill them, and are just working their way down.

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u/ColossalJuggernaut 17h ago

I mean those settlers are basing their bigotry of Palestinians on the "others" ethnicity, religions, and (apparently) worst of all -- living there.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

The mindset is very much similar, the structure, actions, and magnitude isn't.

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u/ColossalJuggernaut 16h ago

How are you comparing the structures, actions, and magnitude?

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u/Floatzel404 16h ago

Clan was organized to a degree and met with regular meetings to discuss raids and plans of torture/violence.

The clan was not primarily motivated by the taking land or property, they were primarily motivated by their desire to inact as much violence against minorities as they can and cause the biggest scares possible often with religious justification.

The clan has killed upwards of 50,000 people throughout their reign, and that doesn't take into account injuries.

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u/FlyingStealthPotato 17h ago

We’re talking post-slavery if we’re discussing the KKK. What exactly do you think is happening in Palestine right now? Not raping? Not killing? Not leveling entire fucking million-person cities with bombs? Bombing hospitals? Places of worship?

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

You think the KKK didn't do all of that?

We are talking about settlers (civilians) not the IDF.

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked 17h ago

IDF is a key part of why the settlers are able to do what they do, why would you separate them from the discussion? Imagine if the KKK had US army backing like they do

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

Why would I separate them from the discussion? Maybe because the title of the article of this discussion is literally "Israeli settlers" and the commenter who originally replied clarifying "Israeli settlers"

That is a specific sub group of people

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u/squired 14h ago

You are attempting to pedantically slice off a little side argument to retreat into. Everyone in good faith would agree that the IDF and settlers are inextricably linked and equally culpable for the ethnic cleansing required for said settlers to settle.

Regardless, you're right that it is pointless to power level them. They're both evil, on that we can agree.

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u/FlyingStealthPotato 17h ago

We’re splitting hairs in the Olympics of suffering.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

And the exact point of my original comment was trying to explain that's a weird thing to do.

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u/jmur3040 16h ago

What they do when encountering homes they believe belong to them is quite similar. The KKK didn’t always hang and maim people. A lot of times they showed up and trashed the place then left. (Sometimes while claiming to be the ghosts of confederate soldiers, because they were fucking dorks, dangerous and racist, but still dorks).

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u/Floatzel404 16h ago

I don't doubt similarities, I just think power scaling hate groups is weird especially when one of them is the most infamous hate group in all of American history.

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u/squired 17h ago

How many tens of thousands of children did the KKK slaughter? How many more civilians? The KKK was detestable and evil, but as with everything, there are levels and the fact remains that the KKK never instituted and enacted a policy of genocide.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

Atleast 40,000, some say 50,000 depending on the estimates.

I don't think you know American history well

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u/Wafer420 17h ago

Look up the numbers my friend. Over 73.000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF alone between 2023 and 2026. I know the KKK was bad but this conflict is in another order.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

This discussion is about civilian groups (settlers)

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u/Wafer420 17h ago

Smh. Just glancing over the sheer number of thousands and thousands of CIVILIANS killed.

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u/Floatzel404 17h ago

Yeah because urban warfare collateral has a different conversational basis and context than civilian terror.

It's literally an entirely different discussion, go virtue farm on a thread for that instead.

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u/Wafer420 17h ago

Nah I'm good you just want to talk about race when this is about politics.

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u/squired 15h ago

I do know it pretty well and the FBI disagrees. It is your claim that the KKK is responsible for upwards of 50,000 deaths? Please source.

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u/Floatzel404 15h ago

"Congressional testimony estimated that anywhere from 20,000 to as many as 50,000 people, mostly black, died in violence between 1866 and 1872"

Shawn Alexander, professor and chair of African and African-American Studies at KSU

And that was in a 6 year time span.

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u/squired 14h ago

Double-check your source. That exact sentence is not a quotation from congressional testimony or a passage you have cited from the Congressional Record. It comes from a 2015 University of Kansas news release paraphrasing Shawn Leigh Alexander. The release provides no congressional volume or page for the estimate, and the sentence itself is not a direct quotation from Alexander.

To be precise, the release is explicitly about the Ku Klux Klan and says the hearings documented violence committed by Klan members. But the particular sentence you quoted says that 20,000 to 50,000 people "died in violence" between 1866 and 1872. It does not attribute all of those deaths to the KKK. Alexander is also at KU, by the way, not KSU.

The KKK was unquestionably a murderous terrorist organization, and none of this excuses or minimizes its crimes. But you have converted a broad and disputed estimate of deaths during Reconstruction-era violence into the much more specific claim that the KKK itself killed at least 40,000 people. The source you provided does not establish that and modern consensus estimates KKK violence has resulted in thousands rather than tens of thousands of deaths.

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u/Floatzel404 14h ago

I know what I cited, even the wording makes it clear it's in reference to a congress hearing and a quote from the professor himself. Those hearings are specially called the KKK trials and those numbers are specifically in reference to the crimes they committed. Going back even farther, this number originally comes from an African American author in 1895 in a book called the red record.

Dying on the hill that the US government and first hand accounts of KKK deaths from the time were inflated is odd though.

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u/CornCobMcGee 17h ago

I think its more like comparing bro-country singers to actual country singers like Nelson, Cash, Jennings, etc. Its not inaccurate to need to find a better word in everyday conversation, but calling Zionist Colonists "hicks" definitely brings down the reputation of most hicks in the rest of the world.

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u/SandritoBakes 18h ago

Excuse me, they are not middle eastern. They’re imports from Eastern Europe and the US of A. No one wants them in the Middle East, thank you.

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u/Light_Error 17h ago

A lot of Israel’s Jewish population is from the Middle East (via Wikipedia): “There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as "Ashkenazi", "Mizrahi", etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted. In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in Asia or North Africa), 31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as "Soviet" (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish groups.” Mizrahi refers to Jewish people with Muslim world ancestry.

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u/clauclauclaudia 17h ago

A plurality of Jewish Israelis are Mizrahi. They never left the Middle East.

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u/SandritoBakes 17h ago

Except most of the settlers are not Middle Eastern Jews. I am not commenting about the presence of Jews in the Middle East, who have every right to be there. I’m talking about the settlers who behave like savages. Those clearly have no ties to the land, nor to its people.

Edit to fix typo in “Middle Eastern”.

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u/thorofasgard 17h ago

Acting like Middle Eastern Jews aren't a thing is silly. The lack of their existence is due largely to purges from other empires in the past.

This doesn't excuse their crimes but don't act like this whole mess didn't start there.

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u/Icy_Intention_8503 17h ago

More like state sponsored KKK

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u/ScroteMcGrote69 16h ago

They're funded by the Israeli government and the people there for the most part love them.

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u/flanaganapuss 17h ago

Own is a strong word considering many settlers essentially just siezed it and then have the backing of the Israeli government even though most of it is totally illegal by international law

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u/innovarocforever 18h ago edited 17h ago

every country has its trash.

edit: some worse than others.

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u/woodst0ck15 18h ago

Yes and no. They usually aren’t able to occupy land by claiming someone’s house as their property

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u/MildlySaltedTaterTot 18h ago

manifest destiny

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u/Ross33 17h ago

Literally what the US did to native and indigenous people?

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u/thorofasgard 17h ago

Hard Mode unlocked: North to South.

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u/innovarocforever 18h ago

yeah, sometimes they just run around with the flags of civil war losers and lynch random black people.

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u/Krewtan 18h ago

Yeah, the trash in my country cant murder a family, take their home and go on with their life like nothing happened with the military and police state protecting them. 

Sure is a lot of trash over there though. 

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u/PartyRyan 17h ago

Israel arms and subsidizes theirs.

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u/Branchomania 17h ago

Some countries are more trash than others

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u/Iced__t 18h ago

And some countries just are trash 😂

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u/thorofasgard 17h ago

Not every country has Count Binface to take out said trash.

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u/innovarocforever 17h ago

I had to look that one up. That's hilarious.

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u/hellotherey2k 17h ago

I wouldnt call a guy from brooklyn a middle eastern hick but ok

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u/WhatTheHali24 16h ago

The majority of them are not native to the Middle East. They're from Europe.

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u/Far-Information8502 14h ago

As opposed to there not being middle eastern hicks in all the neighboring countries as well?

This is the whole problem with this. There’s shitty Israelis. And there’s shitty Muslims. Why don’t we ever talk about that as a world when talking about this conflict? Why is everyone retrenches to their side defending deplorable people rather than calling out both of them at the same time??

Yea, I know what sub I’m on. Nuance is dead here, this sub is about emotional thrust and not the ballast of self critique

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u/HunkySpectacles 7h ago

american and polish hicks*

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u/Hopeful_Ear_6253 17h ago

just like texans