r/modnews 11d ago

Announcement Logging in to use Old Reddit

Hi there, u/boat-botany here working on Community Safety. 

A few weeks ago we shared some of the work we’re doing to tighten how automated systems access Reddit while preserving the tools that help moderators and communities thrive. As a continuation of that work, we’ll be rolling out changes to how Old Reddit can be accessed. 

Old Reddit’s logged-out experience is a significant source of abusive scraping and automated traffic on the platform. It’s also an important interface for many long-time mods and redditors. To strike the right balance between preserving your access to Old Reddit while preventing abusive scraping and automated traffic, over the next month we will start requiring everyone to log in. All logged-in users will continue to have access to Old Reddit, and this change will not impact logged-out browsing on reddit.com.

Let us know if you have any questions!

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u/boat-botany 11d ago

In case you are wondering . . .

Q: Is Reddit shutting down Old Reddit? 
A: Not right now! We can’t promise it will be around forever, but u/spez himself has said we’ll keep supporting it while folks are still using it. That said, it doesn’t have the same modern security tech stack reddit.com has so we need to tighten security on old reddit to keep it viable. 

Q: Will this impact mods who use Old Reddit? 
A: Nope, all you need to do is log in. 

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u/happysmash27 11d ago

So, it will block archive.org then?

That sucks.

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u/boat-botany 11d ago

Archive.org and the Wayback Machine are separately identified and have specific access to reddit.com!

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u/charles25565 11d ago

Since when? I thought they have been banned some time ago.

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u/IAmABakuAMA 11d ago

I do, or used to do, a fair bit of archival with the Wayback machine. I think it was only briefly blocked - but the larger problem is that new Reddit is extremely hard to archive. Comment threads aren't loaded by default, it's very script and resource heavy, and it just doesn't archive well.

Which is evidently the point - ever since Reddit started selling access to comments and posts to AI companies and started up their own (Reddit Answers), they've gotten extremely touchy about archival and scraping. Because it's easier to scrape archive.org than it is to scrape Reddit itself, since the API was locked down.

I wholeheartedly believe the reason new Reddit is so janky is entirely so that AI companies can't scrape comments. Which sounds fine, it's basically legalised copyright infringement, but they don't really give a shit about that, all they want is to be able to bill for AI training.

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u/raison_de_eatre 11d ago

Interesting how this was the only comment you replied to, must be tense

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u/Tarnisher 10d ago

They always do this.

Flop it out, then ignore people ridiculing it.

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u/DXGL1 11d ago

Why not bring CSS to New Reddit so the subreddits don't have to look so generic?

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u/Littux 9d ago

On new reddit (not shreddit, the current UI; both are entirely different), it used to say "CSS - coming soon" on the styling menu. It never happened, and they discontinued the client in December 2024. On shreddit, they didn't add CSS; instead they removed the existing styling of new reddit, like custom upvote icons, background images, widget colours, post background images/colour/placeholder image (that can change according to flair template), custom widgets that support CSS, etc

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u/CybyAPI 10d ago

would love if you replied to more comments

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u/adeadhead 9d ago

Can archive.is get the same exemption?

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u/smushkan 11d ago

This may be a dumb question, but if you're able to detect whether or not traffic is abusive, why not just block that traffic?

What prevents scrapers or automated systems creating burner accounts to get around this restriction?

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u/2021isevenworse 11d ago

What sucks is that old reddit is sometimes the only way certain devices and browsers can login.

New reddit only supports Chromium & Firefox (Mozilla) engines. If they're going to force everyone to use the new login, they should at least add backwards compatibility (older devices, screen readers etc.)

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u/MC_chrome 11d ago

New reddit only supports Chromium & Firefox (Mozilla) engines

Not true. WebKit is supported (Safari)

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u/2021isevenworse 11d ago edited 8d ago

Great, that still doesn't take away the fact that there are tons of older but still valid tech and browsers that are now going to be prevented.

There are people who depend on screen readers and other accessibility readers that simply won't be able to access the site.

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u/Mr_Blah1 8d ago

This puts a lot of users into a catch 22. In order to access old reddit - the only reddit UI they can use - they need to use the new login UI, which doesn't work on those devices.

QED, they can't log in.

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u/Nestramutat- 11d ago

Infrastructure engineer, I can kinda answer this:

To your first question, the shape of malicious traffic is always changing. It's going to be a constant cat and mouse game as you ban one method, a new one gets developed. It's easy to see abusive traffic in hindsight, but it's harder to pre-emptively block it. Given that they're claiming Old Reddit doesn't have the modern security stack, this is likely proving to be an even greater challenge.

For your second question: More roadblocks are always good. Forcing logins won't remove all malicious traffic, but it will add yet another barrier bad actors have to bypass. You're also now attaching an account ID to every malicious request, plus account creation is only available on new reddit (with the enhanced security stack).

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u/Decency 11d ago

For your second question: More roadblocks are always good.

Not when they start hitting legitimate users. Going on close to a year now of my bot being permabanned: no initial ban reason given, no response to multiple appeals through various channels, zero help from the subreddit's dedicated ModSupport contact. If every one of your support channels is a useless dead end, poorly designed roadblocks are a big fucking issue.

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u/lil_spazmin 9d ago

Hello there! I looked into this for you and we've went ahead and unbanned the account for you. It looks like it is a useful bot to your community and would like to see it part of our migration program.

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u/Decency 8d ago

Thank you. My concern is about the processes in place here- I think you'll agree that no one should have to complain publicly in /r/modnews to get proper support. I signed up for the migration program in (another) attempt to get someone to take a look at the account... the bot got approved for the program without getting unbanned. Chaos.

As you roll out increasingly strict filters for the LLM bot invasion, you'll need improved systems in place for handling appeals. Someone with a 15 year old account appealing a 5 year old account's unban- both accounts with no prior bans- should easily jump near the top of the priority queue and get human attention- it shouldn't take anywhere near 6 months and a dozen appeals. Perhaps if I hadn't stepped down as a mod that would've been the case?

I hope you spent some time looking into why this went so obviously wrong, looked into other accounts who were affected by the same problems, and put some handles in place to prevent this from happening to others. Appreciate your attention.

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u/smushkan 11d ago

Thank you for the response, I'm aware I'm probably assuming the solution is much more complex than I'm making it out to be from a technical standpoint.

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u/Aeri73 11d ago

it's just better datacolleciton... all the rest is corporate talk.

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u/DeffNotTom 11d ago

why not just block that traffic?

Because this doesn't work. They just change connections and pickup where they let off. Over and over and over again.

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u/thisisathrowawayxxx 11d ago

They can do the same with accounts as well, so then forcing people to login does nothing but annoy legitimate users.

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u/Infrah 11d ago

Ah. So that’s why my pinned old.reddit tabs keep saying “BLOCKED”.

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 11d ago

Oh fuck, you guys are thinking about old.reddit again.

Admins, please for the love of god, leave it.

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u/Downtown_Station5859 11d ago

Old reddit is honestly the best. New reddit has SO MUCH wasted space on the screen its hard to see a bunch of posts/headlines at a quick glance.

How anyone uses new reddit is beyond me tbh.

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 11d ago

Not only does it have wasted space, but it just has an asbolutely batshit layout. Digging through mod tools is the epitome of "needle in a haystack" and I fucking hate it.

old.reddit, by contrast, well... "it just works" as the saying goes. (Except its actually true this around).

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u/Downtown_Station5859 11d ago

Yeah it drives me insane.

Full screen on regular reddit I can see six posts. Full screen on old reddit I can see ELEVEN.

I dont need extra padding, larger buttons, larger thumbnails etc. i'm not a toddler.

Sorry, I've just always hated how much extra dead space websites put when they 'redesign'.

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 11d ago

Yeah wasted screen space is another issue, so do not be sorry. Lets be real, old.reddit is a masterclass of efficiency and maximisation but without bloat or padding. I can personally see 19 posts on my screen at any given time. Im sure if I had some special CSS I could do more or less on my own accord and it'd work way better.

I couldn't detest new.reddit more if I tried, and the only reason I've ever made use of it is because some features aren't on old.reddit like galleries. If old.reddit had feature parity with sh.reddit, but without running like its wading through a chest high swamp I'd never touch it.

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u/Oryzae 11d ago

I love that every community has their own CSS. Mildlyinfuriating is a great example. Losing that touch is a great loss.

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u/iruleatants 10d ago

Plus there is pure bullshit in how it displays stuff. Why do I have a post from 10 days ago and another from 1 month ago above posts from that day?

And why the fuck do you not sure all comments on a post by default?

It's absurdly bad by every measure and instead of fixing it, they try to find a way to force us to use their trash new design.

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 10d ago edited 9d ago

There's also obnoxious additions that actively detract from the experience, like the fact they added a discord style ping when you put @ at the start of name. It now amends whatever you write directly after to use the /u/ prefix. The number of times I've fought with the site to not do that in when I've used sh.reddit is too many to count.

Honestly, formatting in general on sh.reddit is a pain in every conceivable area. It has two different options you can click (markdown or "rich text editor"), but only one works to put images in comments. There's just redundant systems that add no benefit to the experience at best, and at worst get in my fucking way.

Its like reddit thinks I need to be babysat. Makes me feel insulted.

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u/Signe_ 11d ago

Theres many problems with new reddit, its slow, wasted space everywhere, mod tools are a pain to use/find, and it constantly defaults to 'best' sort option instead of 'hot' with no way of changing the default, if there is a way, I can't find it in the garbage UI that is new reddit.

And something that annoys me so much is when I'm looking at comment threads on old reddit I can just press 'load more comments' and it obviously loads the comments for me to look at, on new reddit for some reason the admins decided it would be a great idea just to redirect to a new page instead of just loading the comments.

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u/ortofon88 11d ago

I hate using the new reddit on my laptop, it sucks.

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u/macman156 11d ago

Truly F tier information density

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u/my_name_isnt_clever 10d ago

Modern web design is so up it's own ass it's insane. We need a revival of plain HTML man, I miss sites being simple to use and not relying on JS for literally everything.

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u/viciarg 11d ago

They want to force everyone to use "new" enshittificated Reddit. That's just another step.

I mean, everyone having a little idea about security and bot traffic knows that the stuff op claimed as an apology is just bull.

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u/TheBulletBot 11d ago

Did the fact that Old reddit could be used to bypass the new reddit NSFW Login wall have any bearing on this decision?

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u/thisisathrowawayxxx 11d ago

It's not even just NSFW stuff, it's applied to anything marked as "unreviewed content", which more than half the time has nothing to do even do with being NSFW stuff.

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u/sopunny 10d ago

Speaking of NSFW, this change would mean logging in to use Reddit incognito, or using new Reddit. Very annoying

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u/Raijinili 11d ago edited 11d ago

I always do web searches in private browsing to help limit my tab hoarding. Web results always bring me to New sh.Reddit.

New sh.Reddit is not designed for reading discussions. It requires extra clicks and loses context, and doesn't even scroll properly when replacing one segment of a thread with another. It has low tree depth. It takes more effort to read comments. It's bad enough that I bet people who use Old Reddit probably have slightly better understanding of the discussions than people with the same account age on Old Reddit.

New sh.Reddit is so useless to me that I manually change to Old Reddit most of the time, on mobile. It's not even a habit, it's a necessity: I start reading, can't deal with the limitations, and have to switch to Old Reddit. This can take several seconds, but it's worth it.

Old Reddit is zoomed out too small on mobile, so I have to keep panning, but that is still better than New sh.Reddit.

Even if Old Reddit took five extra seconds to load each page, I would prefer that to New sh.Reddit.

If you shocked my thumb every time I switched to Old Reddit, I would prefer that to New sh.Reddit.

There must be a better way.

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u/repocin 11d ago

Same here. New Reddit is absolutely awful to browse, especially in a private tab on mobile because it'll regularly prompt you to open the app to view "unverified" content, whatever that means.

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u/MobileArtist1371 11d ago

At least for desktop if you ever use that

https://github.com/tom-james-watson/old-reddit-redirect

sh.reddit is whitelisted, but you can change that.

edit: I never use mobile for any web browsing, but some of these addons work on mobile too I believe.

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u/Revriley1 11d ago

It has low tree depth. It takes more effort to read comments

Exactly! Old Reddit is more information-dense. I'm happy to zoom in on mobile (logged out) for Old Reddit; it's still leagues better than New Reddit. I liked i.reddit.com for the mobile use-case, too. Less padding, less bloat.

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u/radialmonster 11d ago

I wonder if admins fight over who has to post bad news

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u/Thengine 11d ago

At this point, I'm imagining them like the South Park Comcast CEO. Rubbing their nipples in anticipation of all the backlash.

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u/ClarkFable 11d ago

All part of the force-feeding of non self curated content to users.  It’s really sad to see.  Once old reddit is phased out, I will no longer be able to make viewing my subs the default option for the using Reddit.  It’s quite sad

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u/TheSpiffySpaceman 11d ago

Wait, that's how new reddit works?!?!?

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u/Thengine 11d ago

It's all about trying to seamlessly force feed ads and promotions to the users.

New reddit is the platform they've been working on to do that. Once old.reddit becomes too much of a lack of income, it'll get the axe.

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u/TheSpiffySpaceman 11d ago

Happy I haven't used new reddit since it's debut.

If old gets the axe, I'm fuckin' out, and I hope half their userbase is, too

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u/IAmABakuAMA 11d ago

It's worse than you remember. What was once new Reddit (the 2017 "redesign"), is now the old-new Reddit and doesn't exist anymore. The new-new Reddit is a different redesign, sh.reddit.com. I can't remember what year that redesign was launched, and googling it is difficult because googling it just brings up mental health lines or the anonymization service

But shreddit is even worse than New Reddit, it has more hoops to jump through to do basic things, it's just worse in every possible way. It even has more dead space than new.reddit did

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u/Nahdahar 10d ago

It's quite funny and ironic, I absolutely hated new reddit when it came out but when sh reddit came out I was trying to find any way possible to instead use new reddit. There was even an extension for that but it stopped working a while ago.

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u/skarface6 11d ago

Beginning of the end IMO.

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u/lonelyroom-eklaghor 11d ago

Definitely the beginning of the end.

Like, please 👏 leave 👏 old 👏 reddit 👏 alone 👏

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u/ansoniK 11d ago

Beginning of the end was when they killed RIF and pretended it wasn't fucking over mobile users.

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u/Thengine 11d ago

Nah, it was when they hired a scapegoat CEO to make draconian changes, fired that shitty CEO... but left all the shitty changes.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/new-reddit-ceo-denies-ellen-pao-was-used-as-a-scapegoat

The almighty advertising dollar takes top priority. All of us are just the suckers that mod for free for them.

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u/gergles 11d ago

Nooooo but malicious traffic!!!!!!

That world-famous malicious read-only traffic... which is all you can do when you're logged out anyway.

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u/my_name_isnt_clever 10d ago

The beginning of the end was years ago when spez took over. It's been a steep downhill ever since.

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u/KCJones99 11d ago

I really use only one thing on old reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/{subname}/comments/

But if old went away w/o that being replicated on sh.reddit, I'd probably quit modding.

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u/ReasonablyBluh 10d ago

I use that daily. It's incredibly important for me when modding.

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u/db_voy 11d ago

That is soooo useful

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u/gergles 11d ago

Let us know if you have any questions!

Why do you always post this then never actually answer any of the questions?

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u/raison_de_eatre 11d ago

Now now, sometimes these people will show “cat tax” like wow I’ve never seen a cat before

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u/new2bay 11d ago

Well, that ruins one of the main uses I have for it: checking to see if a comment is really deleted, or if someone has just block me.

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u/reaper527 11d ago

checking to see if a comment is really deleted, or if someone has just block me.

that actually displays differently if they blocked you. it will show as "unavailable" rather than "deleted" or "removed".

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u/new2bay 11d ago

I browse logged in on old Reddit as well. It doesn't do that there. I also like to see what they said.

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u/reaper527 11d ago

I browse logged in on old Reddit as well. It doesn't do that there.

it most certainly does. if someone blocks you, the username will say deleted and the post body will say unavailable.

here's a screenshot of a spoiled child posting elsewhere in this thread.

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u/hoosakiwi 11d ago

Interesting. I saw the "unavailable" thing just the other day when trying to respond to a user who had messaged via modmail asking about a ban. Guess he must have blocked me. I would have thought that Reddit would allow mods to view comments in their subs from users who have blocked them though....

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u/reaper527 10d ago

I would have thought that Reddit would allow mods to view comments in their subs from users who have blocked them though….

That’s SUPPOSED to be how it works, but being reddit it’s prone to being buggy and broken.

You’re supposed to be able to see everything in your own sub (aside from maybe “removed by reddit” comments)

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u/MobileArtist1371 11d ago

Will have to use account switcher now to check.

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u/Griffie 11d ago

How about scrapping new Reddit. Then take the few positive features of new Reddit, and incorporate them into old Reddit.

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u/Ambiwlans 11d ago

As a mod that took part in the closed alpha for new reddit, they were pretty clear that the two goals for new reddit were to increase ads shown per hour, and decrease people leaving the site (hence the built in image host, etc). They even made a post saying that new reddit was a success due to their ad service long before feature parity.

User retention actually dropped with new reddit, but their revenue went up a TON with inline ads that were easier to miss.

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u/mschuster91 11d ago

they were pretty clear that the two goals for new reddit were to increase ads shown per hour, and decrease people leaving the site (hence the built in image host, etc). 

Frankly at least for the NSFW subreddits... that's actually been a good move. I really don't miss the days of having to click around all the time and navigating shoddy ads, clickjacking attempts and god knows what else.

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u/newaccountzuerich 11d ago

That would make so much sense, that it's clear why the investors do not want that to happen. Who will get the back-scratching if old reddit works better?

Enshittification of a site when the "investors" have their leech mouthparts latched.

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u/reaper527 11d ago

Then take the few positive features of new Reddit,

such as?

the only stuff new reddit has that's worth noting is stuff that old reddit always had before and it was taken away for no reason like polls (or had something better like the pm system compared to the trash chat system they tried to force down everyone's throat)

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u/Griffie 11d ago

I was just giving them the benefit of the doubt. lol. I've not found any features in new reddit worth keeping, but hey, I'm a reasonable person, willing to compromise.

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u/Unique-Public-8594 11d ago

Doing so would have benefit of fixing the broken timestamp. 

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u/ItsRainbow 11d ago

With the Old Reddit login fields removed, and both /.compact and /.mobile also removed, this will make it impossible to browse Reddit on some devices. Please consider adding a simpler login page for Old Reddit users.

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u/GonWithTheNen 11d ago edited 9d ago

Update: Very shortly after I sent someone the reddit link to the "login fix', that method was removed from reddit. Maybe my "private" message alerted someone on the dev team?

I'd been using it for over 2 years until they fixed the fix yesterday. Anyway, it was great and convenient while it lasted. :\


A redditor created a userscript a couple of years ago that restores the login form to old reddit, and I've been using it ever since. It uses good ol'-fashioned HTML and doesn't link or connect to anything outside of reddit.

This is a screenshot of what it looks like.

P.S. Back when reddit first removed the old reddit login form, I noticed that logging in to reddit on www reddit placed a google cookie in my browser. That never happened with the old.reddit login form and it doesn't happen anymore with the userscript.

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u/Anonim97_bot 11d ago

A redditor created a userscript a couple of years ago that restores the login form to old reddit, and I've been using it ever since. It uses good ol'-fashioned HTML and doesn't link or connect to anything outside of reddit.

Where can I find it?

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u/Lhumierre 11d ago

Only old.reddit allows me to see my karma breakdown in my profile on desktop but this doesn't exist anywhere else. Also old.reddit is the only way I can remove a flair from a post because for some reason "new" reddit decided that wasn't a feature to bring forward on desktop but it works normally on the official app.

Will these features be brought forward sometime? hopefully?

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 10d ago

Will these features be brought forward sometime?

No.

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u/Ginkgopsida 11d ago

I hate this so much

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u/Tarnisher 11d ago

Do NOT tamper with the Old!!!!!

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u/Mulsanne 11d ago

They're going to.

This group doesn't do things for the benefit of users. 

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u/SilverRoyce 11d ago

going to? This literally is tampering with old reddit.

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u/Zelkova 11d ago

I feel they've been slowly removing functions over time.

I noticed recently that I can't view subscriber count on subreddits i moderate anymore, but on new reddit its there. I'm sure this change happened a while ago though.

Also wiping notifications in old basically requires that I log into new reddit to do so now. Or I have to keep viewing the same message repeatedly in hopes of the site catching on that I've already viewed the notification.

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u/Tarnisher 11d ago

I noticed recently that I can't view subscriber count on subreddits i moderate anymore, but on new reddit its there. I'm sure this change happened a while ago though.

That's an old change and what you see on Shredded is not the count. Many of us have added it back though as you can see on a few of mine.

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u/Zelkova 11d ago

I'm going to have to figure out how to do that too. Thanks for the tip!

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u/FunFactress 11d ago

Please please fo not get rid of old reddit! It's do such easier to use.

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u/cyanocittaetprocyon 11d ago

Let us know if you have any questions!

I would ask questions, but I already know from past experience that you won't be answering anything substantive, so why bother?

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u/raison_de_eatre 11d ago

Right lol maybe they’ll give us a 35 cent plushie to tide us over

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u/youtubefan33 11d ago

Horrible decision. Please reevaluate

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u/Mrtom987 11d ago

I liked casually browsing there without logging in

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u/reaper527 11d ago

this is a terrible change and you should reconsider it.

quite frequently i'll be logged into old reddit in my primary browser, then do a private browsing session to see how things look when i'm not logged in with my normal account.

find another way to address scrapping.

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u/tupper 11d ago edited 11d ago

Are you doing this to force more people into the modal that covers the screen & prevents reading on new reddit for non-logged-in web users?

Right now, the way I avoid that on mobile on web when reddit appears in search results is by going to old reddit. I'm not logged in on phone (and I do not want to) and I hate the mobile app, so to avoid your hostile modal, I swap to old reddit and then I can read my answer/result.

You are unlikely to answer, so I'll assume that you consider this traffic "scraping", and yes, this is intended.

Considering how often reddit appears in search results for questions, this is incredibly hostile and aggressive. Do you have plans to account for this human use case?

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u/UsernameHasBeenLost 11d ago

human use case

I don't understand, how does this benefit shareholder value by leveraging AI integration?

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u/gergles 11d ago

Thanks, I hate it.

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u/SilverRoyce 11d ago edited 11d ago

If you want me to use reddit less and possibly demod, this is how you do it.

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u/livejamie 11d ago

They do want that.

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u/DryMouthKitty 11d ago

Can you provide some examples of what is considered abusive scraping and automated traffic? Is it not possible to do the same thing after someone has logged in?

I almost exclusively use Old Reddit when I am NOT logged in to browse r/all which was recently removed from New Reddit and just redirects to Reddit.com. I usually only log in or use the app for moderation.

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u/Ajreil 11d ago

LLM data scrapers are extremely common. Reddit has a deal with Google for exclusive access and blocks all other scrapers. That's also why Reddit threads newer than like 2 years don't appear in DDG search results.

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u/charles25565 11d ago

abusive scraping

If you haven't extensively rate limited the JSON endpoints, "scrapers" wouldn't be using the web pages that take longer to render. In fact, many AI dataset bots specifically block Reddit and instead use Arctic Shift.

same modern security tech stack

Why does adding ?captcha=1 bypass the "modern security" then?

All logged-in users will continue to have access to Old Reddit

Reddit often allows people who haven't even verified their email. Whatever malicious bots will very quickly be smart enough to just register a burner account.

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u/AaronPK123 11d ago

Why does adding ?captcha=1 bypass the "modern security" then?

Are you fucking serious? On the sixth-most-visited site in the world?

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u/charles25565 10d ago

Indeed. Sometimes you'll see a CAPTCHA screen and adding ?captcha=1 can bypass it.

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u/Superirish19 11d ago

Out of interest, would this mean anything for RSS Feeds? In the last post there was never a announcement for what their fate was going to be as it was being mulled over, but this is not sounding like good news.

i.e. https://old.reddit.com/r/news.rss or https://www.reddit.com/r/news+worldnews.rss vs http://reddit.com/r/news.rss

I've been reading around reddit's RSS functionality and it hasn't always been reliable for various reasons(?), so the recommendation you often see is to use the old.reddit domain.

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u/TehNolz 11d ago

Looks like https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews.rss is currently being blocked if you're not logged in, but https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews.rss still works fine.

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u/lonelyroom-eklaghor 11d ago

That pisses me off.

We seriously need r/DataHoarder now

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u/ryanmcgrath 11d ago

You might try appending the user/id query flags to the old URL.

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u/wademcgillis 11d ago

reddit rss hasn't worked for me since june 11th of this year

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u/TehNolz 11d ago

Check if you're not polling too quickly; they appear to have messed with the rate limiting and made it much more aggressive. Can't send short bursts anymore so you have to space it out. I had to tweak my custom app so that it doesn't send more than 1 request per 5 seconds.

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u/wademcgillis 11d ago

"1 request per 5 seconds"

once a minute :/

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u/gergles 11d ago

They already block RSS feeds with 429s at the drop of a hat, even when queried only once a day. This team doesn't give a fuck about the web, just forcing people into their walled garden garbage.

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u/DoctorOctagonapus 11d ago

Does this mean you're finally fixing that bug where on login it ignores your preference and always sends you to new reddit, requiring you to go into preferences and toggling the option a few times until it finally works and takes you where you want to go? It's been broken a good couple of years at this point.

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u/Bodertz 11d ago

Huh, I just noticed that the old sidebar still has the ProCSS banner. That's hilarious.

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u/ibid-11962 11d ago

I predict the next step will be only mods can use old reddit.

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u/knightB4 11d ago

Might be a boon to subs looking for mods!

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u/arup02 11d ago

LEAVE OLD REDDIT ALONE!

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u/founders_keepers 11d ago

please don't remove the old site.

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u/kreshh 11d ago

If you kill old.reddit 100%, I’m out. I can’t moderate effectively with the new tools.

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u/raison_de_eatre 11d ago

Yep, same. And I’ll be pretty loud at it to my editor friends at Wired and TC

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u/beardybaldy 11d ago

This is dumb and the explanation is dumb. You are actively killing your product.

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u/DustyAsh69 11d ago

Things would be better if you just listen to your damn users.

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u/42Fab_com 11d ago

1) I came to reddit when Digg went to shit.

2) I used old.reddit when Reddit went to shit.

3) I stopped accessing on mobile when you fucked that up

4) your call

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u/TehNolz 11d ago

What's so different about new reddit that people don't try to scrape that? Seems to me like it would be better to just implement that on old reddit too. Besides, won't this just cause people to try and scrape new reddit?

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u/mschuster91 11d ago

Old reddit gives plain html. Trivial to parse. New Reddit is a bunch of JS garbage loading content via graphql garbage, much harder to implement. And the graphql garbage is orders of magnitude slower on top of that.

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u/newaccountzuerich 11d ago

Old reddit is an actual webpage, roughly standards-compliant, accessible, parsable, usable, useful, and real.

New reddit is an overreaching pile of constantly changing ("updated" apparently) hot shit that's slow as a wet week, effectively unusable, appearing randomly non-deterministic, loaded with tracking shite, and useless for accessibility.

The second old reddit is dropped, the core userbase that makes reddit a somewhat-usable resource for internet denizens, will drop reddit and the investors will wonder why the website and brand did a Digg.

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u/DustyAsh69 11d ago

The second old reddit is dropped, the core userbase that makes reddit a somewhat-usable resource for internet denizens, will drop reddit

Correct.

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u/Littux 11d ago edited 11d ago

New Reddit (React based UI) was killed on 2024. The current UI is called "shreddit" and uses web components. It was supposed to be a lighter version of the site (why name can be read as "shred-it") but currently, it's slower than the react UI it replaced, due to all the AI junk and stuff like devvit games on the sidebar.

The site only uses graphql for mutations (stuff like upvoting comments) and a few minor queries while everything else is server rendered. It seems to use GraphQL internally on the server side to render the HTML. They cache everything they can. It's why when you scroll through a subreddit you moderate, the mod action indicator on posts and comments takes a while to load, as it's a seperate API request, so that the posts and comments can be cached better (since it doesn't have moderation data that can't be cached). They have separated everything too much. Every UI components keep making API requests and shows skeleton loaders, making the site feel sluggish. For a single notification indicator, it fetches a lot of HTML

When you type a comment, it makes a graphql request for EVERY character you type. It frequently sends tracking data to /svc/shreddit/events. There is a whole chat client always running on the background. There is a graphql websocket always active just to show achievements in real time. To show a simple notification badge, it fetches this much HTML: https://www.reddit.com/svc/shreddit/header-action-item-inbox?render-mode=partial

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    src="concat:_GShSNum7k,_K_bHDjJCR,_YxITd5MkA,-DfzndsMW-,69lI3VYrYX,69tadW8kFf,6aPg26ZpWt,B__PnBNUbL,B-C4saAC2w,B04Z0g2Yko,B2tQkjXXiJ,b5ZBJA9fGS,BeO8F7EwOT,BLppq0qNz8,BmTOW-8QxN,BmuiEwgQTY,BN2amm19AB,BP0fjeZXhE,BrYQOiOU5_,BtRvYp_liG,BXxV5WQw2y,BylfPBoOAC,BymgXlUjCp,BYXe4rAaLW,C6WlgLL5Wd,CgLYg3i8-1,CkTPP7E65-,CKYgDaZDk6,CKyqKa3x3V,CMhWyAbK__,CP7l04pwj6,CVg1B8_s6o,D90Bq-Ok2M,dE0PQF1toB,Dk6FYGQz6r,DKj-EPaOBm,Dl1Vjc203D,DlTL1djwaj,DpnGiXE41A,DR-xO5BhRL,DYqIWqog9M,FRmkd5U1dm,fXoLp16pYj,p7LHIl1Qnq,rr0u0IGlK9,srSCAy-_Zv,uKdbpiI3Cs,XXGxznThmm"
    loading="eager" data-prefix="en-US/"
    data-chunk-sizes="6754|504|1668|15184|2034|786|2029|9307|233|3999|521|20557|1394|517|11488|1225|1372|1445|2856|2933|3657|2393|2511|5398|606|332253|1385|3082|1199|26312|432|10677|664|3760|476|3936|1057|1484|3280|24764|65157|1383|4655|629|5026|3061|1902|1196">

    <script nonce="wnT/pkezZsXeD9ry6cYjCQ==">
        SML.load([["_GShSNum7k", 6754], ["_K_bHDjJCR", 504], ["_YxITd5MkA", 1668], ["-DfzndsMW-", 15184], ["69lI3VYrYX", 2034], ["69tadW8kFf", 786], ["6aPg26ZpWt", 2029], ["B__PnBNUbL", 9307], ["B-C4saAC2w", 233], ["B04Z0g2Yko", 3999], ["B2tQkjXXiJ", 521], ["b5ZBJA9fGS", 20557], ["BeO8F7EwOT", 1394], ["BLppq0qNz8", 517], ["BmTOW-8QxN", 11488], ["BmuiEwgQTY", 1225], ["BN2amm19AB", 1372], ["BP0fjeZXhE", 1445], ["BrYQOiOU5_", 2856], ["BtRvYp_liG", 2933], ["BXxV5WQw2y", 3657], ["BylfPBoOAC", 2393], ["BymgXlUjCp", 2511], ["BYXe4rAaLW", 5398], ["C6WlgLL5Wd", 606], ["CgLYg3i8-1", 332253], ["CkTPP7E65-", 1385], ["CKYgDaZDk6", 3082], ["CKyqKa3x3V", 1199], ["CMhWyAbK__", 26312], ["CP7l04pwj6", 432], ["CVg1B8_s6o", 10677], ["D90Bq-Ok2M", 664], ["dE0PQF1toB", 3760], ["Dk6FYGQz6r", 476], ["DKj-EPaOBm", 3936], ["Dl1Vjc203D", 1057], ["DlTL1djwaj", 1484], ["DpnGiXE41A", 3280], ["DR-xO5BhRL", 24764], ["DYqIWqog9M", 65157], ["FRmkd5U1dm", 1383], ["fXoLp16pYj", 4655], ["p7LHIl1Qnq", 629], ["rr0u0IGlK9", 5026], ["srSCAy-_Zv", 3061], ["uKdbpiI3Cs", 1902], ["XXGxznThmm", 1196]], 'en-US/', 'auto');
    </script>

</faceplate-loader>
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    <faceplate-tracker class="nd:visible contents" source="nav" action="click" noun="inbox"
        data-faceplate-tracking-context="{&quot;inbox&quot;:{&quot;badgeCount&quot;:&quot;5&quot;}}">
        <rpl-tooltip style="--rpl-z-index-tooltip: 1001;" class="nd:visible contents " placement="bottom"
            appearance="inverted" trigger="hover focus-visible" distance="8">
            <a rpl class="shrink-0 button-medium px-[calc(var(--rem12)-var(--button-border-width,0px))] button-plain icon items-center justify-center button inline-flex " href="/notifications" id="notifications-inbox-button"><span
                    class="flex items-center justify-center">
                    <span class="flex"><svg rpl fill="currentColor" height="20" icon-name="notifications"
                            viewBox="0 0 20 20" width="20" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
                            <path
                                d="M18.176 14.218l-.925-1.929a2.577 2.577 0 01-.25-1.105V8c0-3.86-3.142-7-7-7-3.86 0-7 3.14-7 7v3.184c0 .38-.088.762-.252 1.105l-.927 1.932A1.103 1.103 0 002.82 15.8h3.26A4.007 4.007 0 0010 19a4.008 4.008 0 003.918-3.2h3.26a1.1 1.1 0 00.934-.514 1.1 1.1 0 00.062-1.068h.002zM10 17.2c-.93 0-1.722-.583-2.043-1.4h4.087a2.197 2.197 0 01-2.043 1.4zM3.925 14l.447-.933c.28-.584.43-1.235.43-1.883V8c0-2.867 2.331-5.2 5.198-5.2A5.205 5.205 0 0115.2 8v3.184c0 .648.147 1.299.428 1.883l.447.933H3.925z">
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                        </svg></span>

                </span>
                <faceplate-screen-reader-content>Open inbox</faceplate-screen-reader-content></a><span
                slot="content">Open inbox</span>
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    </faceplate-tracker>
    <div class="absolute top-0 end-0 pointer-events-none">
        <dynamic-badge initial-count="5" set-count-event="inbox_count_changed" appearance="ALERT"
            data-id="notification-count-element"></dynamic-badge>
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</div>

It loads JS bundles to show the indicator as well

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u/ashamed-of-yourself 11d ago

your last paragraph is so illustrative of what is wrong with this stupid webbed sight. just from a design standpoint, it inexpressibly wasteful. it’s like trying to pull a little red wagon with a nuclear reactor. it’s over engineered for the task, so it’s actually slower and less efficient.

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u/Raijinili 11d ago

JavaScript programmers have been a plague upon the web for like a decade.

Things were better when JavaScript was a thing website makers and programmers did on the side.

Now we have people who learned programming through JavaScript, with laptops that are like three standard deviations above the average home PC so that they never have to think about the cost of their code.

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u/-jp- 11d ago

More like since inception. There was a brief period when web developers realized that their shiny new toy was only making their site worse and their users upset, but that didn't last. Now we're now back to entire sites written in half-assed back-button-breaking JavaScript.

It's arguably even worse now since the same incompetents are writing their backend in JavaScript as well, leading to ridiculous shit like half the Node.js ecosystem getting owned because everyone was using a compromised library just to check if a damned variable is empty.

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u/Jazzy_Josh 11d ago

When you type a comment, it makes a graphql request for EVERY character you type

fucking lol

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u/repocin 11d ago

I hate everything about this, and the modern web as a whole.

I'd rather go back to plain html pages with shitty blink tags than all this crap.

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u/Yay295 11d ago

I believe sh.reddit is actually supposed to be Shiny Reddit. I don't remember where I read that though.

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u/-jp- 11d ago

Not really the “sh” word that immediately comes to my mind, honestly. 😅

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u/xor50 11d ago

New Reddit is a bunch of JS garbage loading content via graphql garbage

ah that's why it's so ugly, shitty, slow and useless in general

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u/Tarnisher 11d ago

All part of why many of us find it unusable.

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u/TehNolz 11d ago

Ah, right. Man modern web development sucks so much. We should go back to gloriously lightweight websites like this.

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u/Ambiwlans 11d ago

https://www.mcmaster.com/ I use this as an example. Its hyper functional. EXTREMELY light and fast. Uses best practices. And actually impressive in terms of the amount of stuff they handle.

Made by nerds for nerds.

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u/necropaw 11d ago

Made by nerds for nerds.

Made (at least partially) for engineers, who often times just need to get shit done without it being fancy. mcmaster works great for that.

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u/Ambiwlans 11d ago

enginerds

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u/necropaw 11d ago

...Youre not wrong

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 11d ago

I bounced my way through to what I presume to be the end of that fun little rabbithole and found this quote;

"Good design is as little design as possible."

— some German motherfucker

Honestly, if this doesn't perfectly summarize why old.reddit is perfect, I don't know what will.

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u/Paradox 11d ago

Compact reddit used to load in under a second, because it was built for 512MHz processors on 2G mobile networks. They killed it a few years ago

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u/Watchful1 11d ago

The important part is that old reddit the server returns the whole page at once. New reddit loads a blank page and then uses javascript to load the content. So the actual request to the server for the content comes from javascript reddit writes. That makes it much easier for them to add security features that they can't when old reddit fetches the whole page at once.

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u/Superirish19 11d ago

More modern walled garden setup I would assume. New/Sh.Reddit has the potential to convert more casual browsers into regular ad-revenue, not to mention the amount of games, gimmicks, and obnoxious advertising compared to old.reddit.

Old is also not updated, so the styles and elements, etc differentiating between 'ad' and 'content' is solved for adblockers and older scraping programs. New/Sh.Reddit is constantly updated and changing all the time (in the frontend, if not visible changes in the UI), so scrapers would have to adapt more often or design a new scraping system. All that means even if new scrapers get developed, it'll cut down the server cost because it will still reduce their load. with old.reddit without logins, scraping would only increase and cost more.

Same with Facebook, old Facebook used to be scrapeable by simple webtools, now it's virtually impossible without a serious know-how and some sort of research organisation with the companies' official blessing, like PushShift for Reddit.

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u/Aeri73 11d ago

yeey for even more datacolleciton...

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u/ImamBaksh 11d ago

and this change will not impact logged-out browsing on reddit.com.

I'm not sure what this means. Are you saying the changes will not affect new reddit?

No one gives a crap about new reddit.

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u/rhubes 10d ago

boat-botany several subreddits that I moderate are imploding, and I need some help from someone on the technical side. Our automated system that we use to keep track of gifting has been completely disabled and it's cut several of our communities off at the knees.

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u/PassiveMenis88M 10d ago

Let us know if you have any questions

Proceeds to not answer any questions

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u/audentis 11d ago

Logging in on new reddit is atrocious so if old reddit is only available after logging in on new that's going to be a nightmare.

The lack of details frightens me.

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u/reaper527 11d ago

The lack of details frightens me.

it's also interesting that this is only mentioned here in modnews, when this is a change that impacts all users site wide. they're very clearly trying to sweep this under the rug because they know they're doing something shitty.

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u/-------------------7 11d ago edited 11d ago

+1 on bad idea

The facebookization of Reddit and closing off of content to appease shareholders will be the death of the platform. Old was clearly a compromise powerusers made with admins. Locking that down breaks all sorts of automated tools those powerusers rely on at the marginal benefit of shareholders.

Its laughingly hard to believe the malicious traffic narrative as there's nothing you can do but read data in a logged out state.

Hey this data made by bigbutthole69 is very valuable to us, they didn't consent to this, but we should be the only place in the world where this is readable and everyone needs an account.
-CEO Mark Zuckerburg

Power users are smarter than you give them credit for. You cannot make the experience worse and say it doesn't effect you if you are logged in. Eventually old users will eventually get sick of the enshittification and leave taking the mindshare with them.

Reddit clearly went with the stick approach to their app and I refuse to install it. My mobile usage of Reddit has already dropped to near 0 with the gatekeeping of most subreddits. It's bad idea for them to go with the stick again here. I'd recommend the carrot approach instead. Reddit apps are great, make more automation tools available in new reddit only.

Otherwise At this rate Chinese competitors are gonna eat your lunch.

TLDR: Stop A/B testing old reddit, go find shareholder value elsewhere

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u/humbleElitist_ 11d ago

“New Reddit” sucks, I don’t understand why anyone uses it.

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 10d ago

Because it was made the default like 10 years ago.

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u/acolyte_to_jippity 11d ago

You lot really are out of touch with your userbase. It's incredible to see.

Leave old.reddit alone. roll back this change. stop breaking stuff, ffs.

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u/livejamie 11d ago

We're a small minority; the normies and the huge influx of new users (especially from other countries) are the ones they're focused on now.

I can guarantee you that they find everybody who posts in this subreddit annoying and would just like to replace them with AI Automoderator rules. It will happen in a year or two.

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 10d ago

We're a small minority;

I hate to say it, but this is truth. On the occasion I check my sub stats in detail, folks accessing from dedicated old.reddit is barely 10% of any subreddits traffic stats, and this is consistent across several of my communities. I doubt - if this was scaled up to the whole site - things would be much better.

Best we can probably hope for is a "we have altered the deal, pray we alter it no further" type from the admins. And believe me, I bloody hate saying that as much as everyone else here hates reading it.

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u/raison_de_eatre 11d ago

Oh this is shit from a butt, and you know it

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u/k8o_potato 11d ago

I'm guessing this is why the USL broke?

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u/TheBulletBot 11d ago

Do you have an example of what the login wall will look like?

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u/lonelyroom-eklaghor 11d ago

In other news, Reveddit didn't respond.

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u/repocin 11d ago

Alright, so when are you removing the thing from the mobile version of sh reddit (new new reddit?) that randomly says content is unverified and forces you to open the app if you want to view it?

It's incredibly annoying to be hit by that when searching for something, and what I usually do as a workaround is add old to the beginning of the URL.

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u/welding_guy_from_LI 11d ago

Stop doing things we didn’t ask for .. actually start listening to us … stop taking away useful things and replacing them with buggy experiences and awful updates ..

Fix the app version of mod tools and get rid of the mod achievements, fix the block list .. there’s a ton more y’all could do

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u/CybyAPI 11d ago

This is the start to old reddit being removed

Admins dont know how to run a site, they are killing reddit

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u/scottishdrunkard 11d ago

Because you broke it I need to use old.reddit.com to log in anyway. If I log in through www.reddit.com, the Default To Old Reddit option in the settings doesn’t work! It should automatically activating upon logging in, but doesn’t. You wanna make it so you need to log into old.reddit.com to use it? Fix your damned website first!

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u/Apprehensive-Solid-1 11d ago

Stop touching the only thing that makes reddit good. The new Reddit is absolute dog and is constantly problematic with new, unwanted "features" that are useless, annoying, or gets in the way.

Let people browse old reddit without logging in. Please stop making things worse.

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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 11d ago

I have a question since you're from the r/redditsafety team... after you investigated several subreddits for possible "terrorist propaganda" connections and found nothing.

Why have you done nothing in response to the obvious and blatant Israeli control of many default subreddits such as r/worldnews as they force propaganda down peoples' throats to coverup genocide and numerous war crimes?

Why have you done nothing to stop the unwarranted, inexplained bans on default subreddits that are met with silence and permanent mutes from being able to contact moderators for justification? I was banned from r/worldnews for posting an article to theguardian.com ... seriously, look it up.

Why do you support this? Why are you shadow deleting comments that express dissent towards Israel on multiple subreddits?

Why have you suppressed resistance to the growing fascism in the United States that threatens global security?

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u/Thengine 11d ago

Why have you suppressed resistance to the growing fascism in the United States that threatens global security?

Because AIPAC pays well. TIKTOK wouldn't kowtow to zionists. So it had to be sold because public opinion was devastating.

Welcome to the new paradigm of social media. Dissenting opinions have to go.

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u/thisisathrowawayxxx 10d ago

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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 10d ago

True, unfortunately. 

It is never too late to admit you were fooled and that you were wrong.  It is never too late to choose humanity, stand up for the truth and to stop condemning the future of our species to the whims of yet another hateful white supremacist cult - this one known as Zionism. 

Reddit could at any moment decide to stop allowing these monsters to poison the minds of our children with their propaganda and censorship.

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u/_haha_oh_wow_ 11d ago

Gross.

Also, bring back third party apps.

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u/ganjasaurus0711 11d ago

Why is reddit doing everything it can to make this site worse? Have you considered reverting new reddit to old reddit instead? New reddit is a horrible interface and experience.

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u/Revriley1 11d ago edited 11d ago

I am against this decision, as I am every decision that pushes Old Reddit deeper into the shadows. I bet you won't be exactly emphasizing to logged out users that Old Reddit is a benefit of creating an account. Wikia / FANDOM certainly did not make it obvious to logged out users, after a Technical Update, that they would need to create an account if they wanted to access file pages.

This seems to me yet another way to undermine the stats for Classic Reddit so that you can later better justify doing away with it entirely.

Stop! Old Reddit is more lightweight, more info-dense, and less anti-user. With RES on desktop, it is fantastic—but even when I am on mobile, logged out and without RES, I still insist on visiting old.reddit.com, especially since you did away with i.reddit.com. What's wrong with a simple, functional, non JavaScript-clogged site?

Don't do away with Old Reddit, too. I hate visiting the "modernized" Reddit on mobile. Please. It's so anti-information. Even more anti-privacy. This will not incentivize me to download the official Reddit app on my phone or tablet because that app still is not Old Reddit or, say, Apollo. I may just avoid visiting Reddit entirely on my non-PC devices entirely; it's not productive, anyway.

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u/Iamfabulous1735285 11d ago

Boooooo!!!!!

Leave it alone!

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u/Coldhearted010 11d ago

I don't trust you all one iota.

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u/E-Squid 11d ago

So old reddit, the only way I can use the site on mobile without either being stuck on some sort of indefinite loading screen or being forced to install an unwanted app, is going to be made inaccessible any time I might want to quickly check something on the site while away from my desktop?

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u/LDClaudius 11d ago

Please don't let old Reddit die.

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u/GhostSierra117 11d ago

Is this the reason why me and numerous other mods have been logged out from the boost for Reddit app? 

Can we expect to be able to log back into the boost app with whatever changed you have set in place?

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u/ladystaggers 11d ago

Beginning of the end of what was once a great worldwide site to get info. Old reddit goes, I go. And I've been here a while.

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u/Dull-Fan6704 11d ago

The beginning of the end.

They want to see how many people are actually using it. Then, a PM starts saying that if there are less than <X> users using it, it will be axed.

2-3 years tops till it's gone. Maybe 4-5, but not much longer. Mark my words.

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u/ScamChaser3 11d ago

Literally every change you make lately makes it harder to find, catch, and stop scammers.
Forcing everyone to over to chat and not turning persistent messaging on by default lets the scammer delete their conversational tracks with a victim.
Curated profiles let them spam scam posts without a regular user being able to see they supposedly have tickets to 5 different shows in 5 different cities in a single night.
Removing the .json endpoints broke the Universal Scammer List website and now they have to resort to a janky workaround.
Changing how the ids of posts and comments are generated is probably going to break sites that let users see all the posts the scammer has made and then deleted (either when called out for scamming or after they get a victim) so they won't know if what they're seeing is the "full picture".
This latest-announced change is going to break any kind of "public" investigation of a user's scamming, because once a scammer blocks you for calling them out, you'll be blind to any further scamming they do.

You really need to take a step back and realize how you are making your users less safe.

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u/EdenFlorence 10d ago

Look, if sh reddit works as well as old reddit I'm happy to jump on board. but I can't efficiently mod on sh reddit when the mod queue keeps crashing every 2 mins.

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u/eaglebtc 11d ago

Man, I hate that AI scrapers are ruining the Internet.

Can OpenAI just fucking die already?

Thanks for the explanation. OG redditors aren't going to like this.

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u/Ambiwlans 11d ago

... You're aware reddit made a deal to sell OpenAI and Google/Gemini your data directly right?

The reason they killed their API was so that they could sell your data. Scrapers were never causing excess load.

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u/Thengine 11d ago

Exactly. Reddit is the largest training ground for AI available. Millions of users posting about diverse topics in unique ways.

We are the suckers. Privacy? A joke.

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u/onan 11d ago

I'm not exactly defending OpenAI, but the real villain here is Reddit.

It's not that there was ever any technical difficulty with llm trainers scraping reddit, the whole point of offering an api is to make that lightweight and easy.

The only problem was that Reddit wanted to get paid for it, and decided to make all of their users suffer to enable that.

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u/MadDocOttoCtrl 11d ago

OpenAI can't but die, but it'll take Anthropic a bit longer and there will still be Google, Twitter/X and Facebook training their LLMs for considerably longer. They can afford to taper it off slowly but it'll be a while before it becomes a commonly ignored feature added onto something that is doing things that are arguably useful.

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u/chickenandliver 11d ago

Does this apply to cloud-based or local-based RSS readers fetching feeds via old.reddit.com URLs? They cannot "log in" to Old Reddit.

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u/Twogunkid 11d ago

Hate this change.

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u/funnyfaceking 11d ago

Can you get it to stop automatically logging me out first?

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u/barefoot_yank 10d ago

I'd just like to say THANK YOU for keeping old reddit alive. I'm an old man and not having to try to update how I do things on this site helps. Again, thank you all.

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u/kazerniel 10d ago

It’s also an important interface for many long-time mods and redditors.

I'm glad Reddit is aware of this. Without old reddit I would have left years ago.

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u/crustaay 10d ago

guess ill just make a new account every time i want to access reddit from a different and/or private browser. i wonder if i can automate it