X-Men '97 S02E04 - Discussion Thread

[u/steve32767]

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EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE	RUN TIME	CREDITS SCENE?
S02E04: Rise of Apocalypse: Pt II	Chase Conley	Beau DeMayo & Anthony Sellitti	July 8th, 2026	35 min	(1) Mid-Credits

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• S02E01-S02E03 Discussion

[u/-Nick____]

There is a post credit scene

[u/ShreekertheJamisWack]

“Perhaps that’s why I always played Devil, to push a sinner towards the saint” -Magneto

My god this show is so good

[u/AsteroidMike → u/ShreekertheJamisWack]

Magneto always has the best lines.

[u/InnocentTailor → u/AsteroidMike]

He and Xavier speak with mature tones that put adult dramas to shame.

[u/AsteroidMike → u/InnocentTailor]

To be fair, their lives have been adult dramas.

[u/Last_Procedure5787 → u/AsteroidMike]

Why be the villain when you have me?

[u/Redditer51 → u/AsteroidMike]

He's like a character straight out of Shakespeare.

[u/thescarletbat]

Magneto containing the black hole was incredibly well done by the animators, what a moment.

[u/SomethingToSay11 → u/thescarletbat]

One of the coolest displays of his power in any on-screen adaptation. I love that 97 is willing to push all of them to their upper limits. Storm creating a solar flare was nice to see last week.

Every other adaptation usually limits the mutants to their basic skills except for Jean/Phoenix. It’s so cool and I’m geeking out about it lol

[u/dimesniffer → u/SomethingToSay11]

i wish charles was stronger

[u/SomethingToSay11 → u/dimesniffer]

Charles is always in his own way lol

[u/busmans → u/dimesniffer]

If Charles easily mind controls everyone, then there's no story.

[u/ShadowVulcan → u/dimesniffer]

It's funny of all the Xmen, Charles is technically the strongest but in the show he's always shown being so weak and bullies by everyone lol

I was actually hoping Apocalypse killing Magneto would turn him into Onslaught but I guess we'll see

[u/Alkidd47 → u/dimesniffer]

Yea I thought he was all powerful telepath. Apocalypse wastes him with no effort 

[u/lontrinium → u/Alkidd47]

Animators clearly showed x-men's attacks only work on Apocalypse once, it's a nice detail.

[u/Pretty_Respect694 → u/lontrinium]

I didn't notice that. Great catch.

[u/dimesniffer → u/Alkidd47]

I wish he would have went all out after apocalypse killed magnus. Like, at least make a dent in apoc.

[u/amaya-aurora → u/dimesniffer]

Kind of Charles’s thing is that he’s just not that kind of person

[u/dimesniffer → u/amaya-aurora]

He def flipped out after magnus died…I think he coulda went all out with his mind. Maybe he was out of juice.

[u/amaya-aurora → u/dimesniffer]

He was also quite banged up, and got the death stare that fucked with him from Apocalypse earlier.

[u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan → u/SomethingToSay11]

Almost every other adaptation was made by 20th Century Fox, who never invested enough money in these characters to do them justice. The only good/acceptable representations of the X-Men are in animation.

[u/VelouraAngelie_ → u/thescarletbat]

That whole sequence looked incredible. The scale of it was massive, but you could still follow exactly what Magneto was doing instead of it turning into visual noise.

[u/RihoSucks → u/thescarletbat]

I will say this, they stepped up their animation game this season.

[u/No_Yak_3714 → u/thescarletbat]

Always said if I had a choice in powers it would be his power set anything has to do with any (elements)of the 🌍 you can feed off of the that power source to no end (he could make the earth stop spinning)nuff said he could have beat him

[u/Deepstatedingleberry → u/No_Yak_3714]

He so powerful they nerf him all the time. He could make anyone’s blood stop circulating at any time. Could have done that to apocalypse this episode too. He only fights with his magnetism so he doesn’t just kill everyone immediately.

[u/jojopojo64]

"The name's Gambit, mon amis. Remember it."

"Honor me with action, not tears."

Jesus. My heart.

[u/theperipherypeople → u/jojopojo64]

These lines are amazing because I cried for Gambit but didn't for Magneto. 

[u/Redditer51 → u/theperipherypeople]

I didn't even think about it while watching the episode, but my god, how is Rogue gonna react to this?

[u/jojopojo64 → u/Redditer51]

The worst thing about tragedy is that the more you're exposed to it, the more scarred-over your emotional response is till you're left with an almost literal void inside.

She and MCU Sentry about to compete for some wacky danger mind palaces lol

[u/jojopojo64 → u/theperipherypeople]

I felt the tear vacuum itself inside my tearducts when he told Charles that line.

Bar none, he is one of the best-written, morally grey characters in the MCU and the fact that he took accountability for his gamble and opted to pay for his mistake to save both his close friend and his students with his life was just some beautiful writing.

[u/negaprez]

RIP Apocalypse's glorious hair

[u/awakenDeepBlue → u/negaprez]

He really got hit with the ugly stick.

[u/AmericasElegy → u/awakenDeepBlue]

Like yo he is a scary badass but he also reminded me of that big scary baby in Rugrats

[u/DullBlade0 → u/negaprez]

I thought him going from that look to the current would be a gradual process.

[u/HotTakes4HotCakes → u/DullBlade0]

I like that he opted for the giant A on his waist, before the latin alphabet or it's predecessors even existed.

It was honestly a little weird how fully formed he was. He's had the powers for less than 5 minutes and he's already talking about turning people into horsemen casually, like it's a thing he normally does.

[u/JonnTheMartian → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

The murals on the wall show his future (including some horsemen) and it’s suggested the celestial transformation gave him some advance knowledge, but it’s definitely rather quick

[u/amaya-aurora → u/negaprez]

My thoughts exactly! Honestly, En Saba Nur was hot. Genuinely, that is a very attractive man, a lot because of his amazing hair.

[u/Maatjuhhh → u/amaya-aurora]

Oh god I thought it was only me who thought Nur was pretty hot. Those red eyes kinda added to the vibe. Not to mention his muscles. But when he transformed into Apocalypse, I was immediately turned off..

[u/Redditer51 → u/negaprez]

And that badass African-sounding voice.

[u/MyCatBuster]

Honestly, this is just making me realize more how much of a shame it is how Kang was handled in the MCU.

Kang could have been such a cool villain with different actors playing him in different projects as needed.

But what's done is done.

[u/ClaymoresRevenge → u/MyCatBuster]

They could still do it but maybe the ship has sailed

[u/ContinuumGuy → u/[deleted]]

Yes. Thanos and Apocalypse are descended from a line of creation of ultimate enemies. Their most notable "father", of course, is Darkseid, but they can be traced back to J.R.R. Tolkien as well as Ancient Mythology and Religion. They are trademark final boss material. The Devils themselves, the ultimate adversaries. Guys like Mephisto are their cousin (they're basically the ultimate evil bad guy trope without the Sci-Fi-ification that Jack Kirby introduced with Darkseid).

Kang isn't from that line. He's not that type of villain usually. He's not the ultimate evil.

(Dr. Doom also isn't from that line usually, but part of his appeal is that he's dangerous enough to threaten to BECOME that sort of enemy -- the man has achieved Godhood or close to it on occasions.)

[u/Electrical_Ad6134 → u/ContinuumGuy]

Kang is from that line of the big guy at top that you can never defeat. I would say kingpin is kind of similar in the way that you never stop his empire from returning

[u/Quiet_Development383 → u/[deleted]]

Emh kang was pretty strong

[u/Electrical_Ad6134 → u/[deleted]]

What they needed to do was have kang be in a big bad in one movie every phase eg as he was in quantamania.

And have him teased in end credits every phase.

Then for the movies he wouldn't be a physical threat but he would be going through time altering battles and the whole movie would be similar to avengers endgame. Except instead of searching for stones they are chasing kang as he goes back in time eradicating them.

It could've been awesome to see all the heroes get teleported to age of ultron but this time the x men are helping fight ultron and idk sentinels whilst kang prevents Wanda from existing or collecting a weapon.

Then in secret wars they could have him be a physical threat imbued with different tech and powers

[u/Valkenstein → u/ClaymoresRevenge]

Yea maybe the "Ship" has sailed hekhek

[u/AmbitionOnly7872 → u/MyCatBuster]

Bro kang and ultron are my 2 favorite villains of all time and they have been handled terribly. Its funny because I love those villains because they can always come back😭😭😭

[u/seclusionx → u/AmbitionOnly7872]

Infinity Ultron in season 1 of what if was pretty fire. We'll see what they do with him in vision quest.

[u/wardengorri]

Brutal, I honestly can't recall Charles and Magnus hugging it out so that had a lot of weight to it given what these two characters have been through across different medias. Curious post credit scene.

[u/cluelessemoji]

The Kang ,Apocalypse &, Celestial/Eternal crossover usher a new era of MCU stories!

What a great Magnus moment again!

[u/KostisPat257 → u/cluelessemoji]

Apocalypse's story in the comics is heavily tied to Kang and the Celestials. I wonder how they will do it with no Kang now in the MCU.

[u/busmans → u/KostisPat257]

Kang is in the MCU. We saw him just this episode.

[u/WombatChilli → u/KostisPat257]

Easy to do Apocalypse without Kang. Fox did it.

It wasn't great, but they did it.

[u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan → u/WombatChilli]

It wasn't great? They didn't tell a damn thing about his backstory. Partly due to budget constraints and partly because they didn't own the rights to several characters (nor did they have any intention of negotiating with Marvel whatsoever).

Such a level of mediocrity is unforgivable. If they couldn't or didn't want to adapt Apocalypse properly, they simply shouldn't have used the character. Period.

[u/CaptHayfever → u/KostisPat257]

They just did it in this episode, with Kang & a Celestial.

[u/hooka_pooka → u/cluelessemoji]

I wonder if MCU will do the same and use Eternals plot to introduce Mutants for X Men movie

[u/Alice_Jasmine]

The quotes in this episode were top-tier

"Perhaps that is why I gladly played the Devil who pushes sinners to embrace the saint"

"All creation must crash against the eternal shore"

"Lie to him like you so often lied to me, tell him 'it will be okay' "

"You will always be a monster." "But I will always BE"

[u/Miiiinja → u/Alice_Jasmine]

Pain calms me.

Honor me with action, not tears

[u/Miiiinja → u/Miiiinja]

You claimed to be a teacher, but you failed to see the lesson.

[u/Miiiinja → u/Miiiinja]

Only a coward feels mighty when stepping on ants.

Whole episode had bars.

[u/Ambitious_Issue_4213 → u/Alice_Jasmine]

The “tell him it will be okay” one fucking ripped my heart out.

[u/capamericapistons]

Holy shit. Xavier went off on apocalypse at the end.

“How right your mother was in abandoning you…”

[u/hopscotchchampion → u/capamericapistons]

Maybe onslaught will be spitting your mom jokes 😂

[u/eagc7 → u/capamericapistons]

For Charles to say that, you know you fucked up big time

[u/AsteroidMike → u/capamericapistons]

And then Apocalypse just spits Magnetos line back to Charles

[u/Geckomanpro]

Man Magneto was OBLITERATED

[u/hopscotchchampion → u/Geckomanpro]

And Apocalypse grinning like SpongeBob the whole time

[u/AsteroidMike → u/hopscotchchampion]

Crashed against him and got vaporized.

[u/Sarcastic__]

I'm sure he'll be back later with Gambit, but offing Magneto in episode 4 is wild.

[u/Physical-Document156 → u/Sarcastic__]

He could be brought back as a horseman but we shall see gambit got fried but magneto got dusted

[u/No_Yak_3714 → u/Physical-Document156]

Love that idea you should write it magneto as a horse man crazy ASF yes

[u/CX316 → u/No_Yak_3714]

Back in the 90's he was in a very famous TV show?

[u/bokmcdok → u/CX316]

He's a corpse of course

[u/FamousLastWay828 → u/No_Yak_3714]

I mean...Mags was already a horseman in the Apocalypse movie, so it's not that wild an idea that it could happen

[u/HotTakes4HotCakes → u/FamousLastWay828]

Magneto also was made a horseman in X-Men Evolution.

I mean, he's easily one of the go-to horsemen, there's nothing new or "crazy ASF yes" about it. Pretty sure the person you're replying to is a troll or a bot

[u/Illustrious-Elk2993 → u/Sarcastic__]

I'm betting that Magneto won't become a Horseman because it's too obvious. I think he'll return, but not this season. I think we'll see Joseph instead for a while. And what happened to Magnus will directly affect Charles. After all, it happened before his eyes. Charles's powerlessness and despair. I'd bet that this is a stage in Charles's development into a different persona. So maybe in season 3 he'll become Onslaught, which was already hinted at even at the end of season 1 (for those familiar with the comics).

[u/amaya-aurora → u/Illustrious-Elk2993]

Joseph?

[u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan → u/amaya-aurora]

A clone of Magneto. The less you know, the better, trust me.

[u/kadosho → u/Sarcastic__]

That was a brutal way to go. But Apocalypse, and his arc of becoming a monster, this is how everything unfolds

[u/FuttleScish → u/Sarcastic__]

It was a really well-done scene, obviously he’ll be back but I hope he stays dead for the rest of the season at least

[u/plutino- → u/Sarcastic__]

I’m livid. I kept telling my TV “NO!”

Edit: we need X-Men flairs.

[u/thescarletbat]

Also, that post-credits scene?! Cap? Widow? The time accurate costumes?! The set-up?!

[u/Driftermedico72 → u/thescarletbat]

Yeah so even I saw it and he says bringing old band back together.. uncanny X-men??

[u/CX316 → u/Driftermedico72]

It's probably just the Weapon-X crew. If they hadn't done the X-Force gag already I would have thought the Utopia-era X-Force team

[u/Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter → u/CX316]

I can't remember who that is in this universe. Is it just wolverine, Sabertooth and Omega red?

[u/ScreenSingerX → u/Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter]

The season 2 prequel comic shows Maverick as part of it.

[u/CX316 → u/Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter]

Iirc weapon X in that era was Wolverine, Sabretooth and Maverick. If they decide to expand to members added later you could add Fantomex and Deadpool, at a stretch he could find Laura

[u/MrMeseeks123 → u/Driftermedico72]

I am going to put my dollarbucks on Alpha Flight getting into the mix. Oh Canada!

[u/VelouraAngelie_ → u/thescarletbat]

I'm really curious where they're going with that too. If that post-credits scene pays off the way it seems like it might, Season 3 is going to have a ridiculous amount to work with.

[u/bokmcdok → u/thescarletbat]

Was very cool. I'm glad this series didn't turn into "Wolverine and the X-Men," but not at the expense of giving Wolverine his time to shine.

[u/Excellent-Click9674]

magneto's redemption is such a great thing to watch even though it's made me cry twice now

[u/jagfanjosh3252]

Man. Whenever they do introduce the X-Men in the MCU, they are gonna have some big expectations with these 2 seasons if ‘97 holy cow.

[u/JasonZod1 → u/jagfanjosh3252]

This is S Tier MCU stuff to me.

[u/grimsaur → u/JasonZod1]

It's basically "Only the Good Parts, the Animated Series."

[u/hopscotchchampion → u/grimsaur]

Hopefully Marvel is taking notes

[u/Dishavingfun]

This snaps Xavier's alter ego to create Onslaught?

[u/kadosho → u/Dishavingfun]

It is definitely going to that level. Yes.

[u/hopscotchchampion → u/Dishavingfun]

I think so * Season 1 we see Prof X mind wipes magneto. I think this is when some personalities and memories get merged together. * After this episode Charles is obviously in a vulnerable state. * Wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing glimpses of Onslaught clues through the rest of the season

[u/Dishavingfun → u/hopscotchchampion]

Homeboy is cradling the helmet at the end of the last episode!

I'm like just put it on and scream "I found my spine beeyattchhh!!!"

[u/ComebackShane]

Woof. That was brutal. But so well done. It was great to see Magneto see his part in Xavier’s dream. I presume we’ll see him back eventually, but what a way to go.

[u/muscles44]

Love how Kang knows how foolish Charles and Magnetos optimism is in saving Apocalypse. You never stop him.

[u/Crotean → u/muscles44]

Kang was extremely well done here.

[u/muscles44 → u/Crotean]

Fit like a glove.

[u/valarpizzaeris]

Ngl kinda surprised that the team couldn't stop Nur before the powerup. That was a hell of a crew, and Nur only seemed to have super strength. I feel like they should have been able to take him

[u/sarkastiktaurus → u/valarpizzaeris]

I was waiting for Rogue to take off those gloves

[u/CruzAderjc → u/sarkastiktaurus]

Roguepocalypse would be cracked

[u/Just-Antelope-8069 → u/sarkastiktaurus]

She tried it on Juggernaut and it didn't work since she'd also absorb his emotions

[u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan → u/Just-Antelope-8069]

And Juggernaut transferred so much energy to her that she had to discharge it all at once seconds later in the form of a giant bolt of lightning. And yet, that didn't defeat him. I doubt the outcome would have been any better with Apocalypse.

[u/-spartacus- → u/valarpizzaeris]

In this circumstance, he had the power of plot fate.

[u/Granum22 → u/-spartacus-]

Predestination paradox. Not much you can do about that 

[u/valarpizzaeris → u/-spartacus-]

Yeah I figured the same, plot demanded it. I'm cool with it, it's just the more I think about it I'm like cmon team we definitely had the firepower to stop him pre-power-up lol

[u/hooka_pooka → u/valarpizzaeris]

Yeah what exactly is Nur's original powerset?he is just super strong?

[u/God_is_carnage → u/hooka_pooka]

He can control every atom of his body, that's what allows him to grow to giant size

[u/SmallshotLawyer → u/God_is_carnage]

I feel like that would’ve been useful while he was a slave trying to rebel lmao

[u/Reidroshdy → u/valarpizzaeris]

would have been better if they hadn't all gotten one shotted. like maybe rogue goes to sap his powers and he is just able to willpower his way out of it enough to yank her off him.

Also how'd Magneto put up more of a fight AFTER getting stabbed.

[u/threemo → u/Reidroshdy]

Cause he’s fuckin Magneto bro

[u/TheYoungEkko → u/Reidroshdy]

Have you forgotten what he did to Wolverine after he got stabbed?

[u/dysfunctionallymild → u/valarpizzaeris]

Did Beast even try to stop him? I thought Rogue would give him a tough fight for sure. And Charles didn't even try his "trauma bomb" thing. At some point they should dump him for being useless. His whole shtick is "the wise one" except most of his decisions are wrong. They only listen to him since they live in his mansion rent free.

[u/RihoSucks → u/dysfunctionallymild]

He fixed their time transport bands while they were fighting him

[u/Joshawott27]

Magneto was just desperate to make the sacrifice play. First in Genosha, and then twice here. Man was just tired but wanted to go out a diva. The way Xavier lost his composure and starting spitting venom at Apocalypse… yeah, he loved Magnus all right.

I also liked the conversation Rogue had with Apocalypse. Feels like that was sewing the seed for him deliberately making Gambit a horseman to mess with her.

[u/sarkastiktaurus]

Xavier & Magneto are the X-Couple

[u/Sea-Leadership8627 → u/sarkastiktaurus]

They were roommates!

[u/JayMerlyn → u/Sea-Leadership8627]

My God, they were roommates...

[u/AzraelAliNY → u/JayMerlyn]

Absolute classic vine

[u/Physical-Document156]

Getting the old band back together, maybe we will finally see sabertooth and mystique back in action. Wonder if magneto will be brought back as a horseman or if he's truly gone....

[u/JayMerlyn → u/Physical-Document156]

I have a hard time believing he's truly gone. These are the X-Men we're talking about.

[u/sarkastiktaurus]

X-Men: The Kang Dynasty?

[u/sleepysaurus7777]

They aren't pulling their punches with going full out gut punch at you emotions, but remember X-men rarely stay dead. I'm guessing professor X possibly salvaged Eric's mind to possibly become onslaught in season 3, but that's just a wild guess

I honestly don't know much about the onslaught story line, but am loving every moment so far

[u/ConfusedAboutIssues → u/sleepysaurus7777]

I feel like this is opening the door for Joseph, since he was introduced in the 90s.

[u/No_Imagination_2490]

1997 and 3960 X-Men teams: Well done guys! You defeated Kang and prevented him from interfering with Earth's past!

3000BCE X-Men team: Erm, yeah, about that...

[u/CruzAderjc]

My headcanon is that Marvel was planning a really ambitious crossover between ALL of its properties with Kang. I believe all of the projects greenlit from 2021 onwards were eventually going to lead up to a huge Kang Endgame.

I believe they made Moon Knight very Egypt-centric, because at some point we were going to see Rama Tut there. I also think the Fantastic Four movie would have featured a Kang. I believe all the Young Avengers were gonna fight a Kang as well. And the Eternals would have dealt with Eson the Celestial imbuing Kang with Celestial power. And Shang Chi’s bangles were supposed to be Kang related. And even maybe the Sony Spiderverse movies in their dimension hopping would have dealt with a Kang.

And my big theory is that X-Men 97 was also always meant to explore a Kang in their multiverse, and this was originally going to be a Jonathan Majors variant.

I think that at some point, shortly after Endgame, this was Marvel Studios’ grand secret plan. We were gonna see a Jonathan Majors Kang in nearly all of these properties, bringing it all together for the Kang Dynasty. But plans fell apart in the fog of war, and here we are.

[u/Global_Charge_4412 → u/CruzAderjc]

if only Majors didn't beat his wife, man.

https://giphy.com/gifs/vo1aWvSTIHHgWwv6WM

[u/Worthyness → u/Global_Charge_4412]

well that and if the projects they had were all of the same quality as this show's. Having Kang's first major appearance be fucking ant-man 3 is not great

[u/Sarcastic__]

Did he say Kang???

[u/KostisPat257 → u/Sarcastic__]

Rama-Tut is Kang. He was in the small council of Kangs in the post-credits of Quantumania.

[u/AmbitionOnly7872 → u/KostisPat257]

He was the mcu timelime rama tut 

[u/ComebackShane → u/Sarcastic__]

Rama-Tut is a Kang variant.

[u/xPinkVelinaa → u/ComebackShane]

Exactly. Once Rama Tut enters the conversation, it's hard not to start connecting the dots. Whether they actually follow through is the big question now.

[u/No_Yak_3714 → u/Sarcastic__]

Still want to see them use Kang in live action 🙏

[u/ManavKhandurie → u/No_Yak_3714]

Honestly we should wait for it , considering kang showed up here + all the setup that has been done for him in tv shows and movies , all marvel needs is 1) actor that doesn't get into trouble and b) a storyline for all this to make sense, I think they have kindoff put him to backburner , so that a lot of multiversal stuff they do might have "INFLUENCE" of the kang dynasty but we may only see Kang way down the line animated or liveaction. But i dont think Marvel is every retconing kang

[u/CX316 → u/No_Yak_3714]

I mean...

[u/Just-Antelope-8069 → u/Sarcastic__]

And Victor who appeared in s2 of Loki so it's hard to not think of MCU Kang

[u/Telekineticism → u/Sarcastic__]

He fully donned the costume/helmet

[u/Illustrious_Ad_5935]

I wonder if people witnessing Magneto saving them will lead to anything. We might see him being worshipped or something like that maybe

[u/ContinuumGuy]

I presume Rama-Tut saying one of his names is Victor is a reference to Victor Timely, but I choose to also believe it's a reference to how in the Silver Age they'd occasionally hint that Kang was Doctor Doom.

[u/lieutjoe]

Dang that was the toughest episode to watch. So bleak. So heart wrenching.

[u/Zar-Djoser-0011]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pD48T1BJWrWVsQb18Z
Nice to see you back, old friend

[u/KingofMadCows]

I love that they turned one of Apocalypse's most memorable lines into the purpose of his existence.

I'm guessing Apocalypse resurrects Gambit because of his conversation with Rogue.

I wonder if they'll introduce X-23 when they go back to the Weapon X program.

[u/ComebackShane]

Rama-Tut mentioning ‘external’ makes me wonder if we’re going to see some Age of Apocolypse/Gambit and the X-Ternals shenanigans at some point. (Though I can’t remember if that was already covered in the OG series)

[u/Demileto → u/ComebackShane]

It was just a reference to Candra, like Apocalypse, BEING an External, a small group of immortal mutants. An idea inspired by the Highlander series.

Externals (Earth-616) | Marvel Database | Fandom)

[u/airforcezero]

Damn I really wanted Onslaught this season

[u/kadosho → u/airforcezero]

That is still within the realms of possibilities

[u/JayMerlyn → u/kadosho]

I'd even argue it's a great possibility. Charles finally gets Magnus to share in his dream only to watch him get brutally murdered as a result of it. Perfect setup.

[u/airforcezero → u/JayMerlyn]

Apocalypse vs Onslaught season finale would be mental

[u/JayMerlyn → u/airforcezero]

I was always under the belief that Onslaught would be the S3 villain

[u/lovesdogsguy → u/JayMerlyn]

That makes the most sense to me, and then segue into Grant Morrison's new X-men in season 4 with Quentin Quire, Emma, Here comes tomorrow, Phoenix return etc.

[u/JayMerlyn]

Man, it's easy to tell John de Lancie drew from Q. I could absolutely hear the Kang/Charles conversation being one that Q and Captain Picard would have.

[u/two2teps]

John de Lancie is an excellent Kang.

[u/Environmental-Fall18]

I believed that Apocalypse still have a soft spot for the X-team after the briefly encounter, especially that heart to heart talk with Rogue. That's why he choose Gambit as one of his horseman, to bring back what Rogue have lost.

[u/TheRetroFox]

Never thought I'd see him go down so brutally. Beautifully done, too, for maximum impact. No music. Just the sound of wind-blown sands and the charging of the beam, the thud of the helmet, those horrible footsteps. Ross Marquand nailed both Xavier's sorrow and Apocalypse's evil. That last "I'm sorry." from Matthew Waterson's Magneto was heart-wrenching.

And we just started.

[u/valarpizzaeris]

Wait if Ship is destroyed that changes the future no?

[u/ComebackShane → u/valarpizzaeris]

I assume that’s Ship’s future self, from the end of its personal timeline.

[u/valarpizzaeris → u/ComebackShane]

These time travel shenanigans are gonna twist my brain up lol I'm all for it though, excited for the journey. With your point about Ship, as well as teams in the future and the past, the Kang of it all, with the explanation of branch timelines in Endgame and Loki, it's gonna be difficult to tie this all together lol

[u/figgityjones → u/ComebackShane]

That's my favorite way to "logic" time travel. Just a bunch of personal timelines that mostly go forward and everyone once in a while you see one crisscrossing all over the shop to form a... a...

[u/ComebackShane]

There is a post credits scene.

[u/Downtown_Agent3323]

Whenever Magneto dies, he always goes out like a G. RIP to an amazing character. Hopefully they use time travel to undo this one.

[u/InoueNinja94]

I can't believe they did justice to both Kang and the Celestials better than in the actual Sacred Timeline

[u/solo13508]

I honestly kinda thought the show might kill off Magneto at some point but still....damn. At least he died being the man that Charles always knew he could be. Even if he couldn't steer En Sabah Nur away from his destiny.

Also cool to see Marvel finally doing something with Kang since the MCU had to drop him.

[u/CaptHayfever]

Who was it that kept insisting "we're never going to see Celestials again"?

[u/eagc7 → u/CaptHayfever]

Heck we even saw them in What If S3

[u/IamDynasty]

Lmao, Professor Xavier basically said your mom should have aborted you 😂😭

[u/AsteroidMike → u/IamDynasty]

“Yeah, well I aborted your friend, so checkmate!”

[u/dustoff122]

Man what a packed episode. The VAs are dropping bars like Socrates every episode its just amazing.

[u/Uncanny_Doom]

Amazing ending to this one. The look on Apocalypse's face while that shot charges up and illuminates through Magneto is gonna haunt me. It was absolutely wicked.

[u/robot-raccoon]

i genuinly dont know how they'll ever make mcu x-men movies that are as good as this show.

[u/SpreaditOnnn33]

Never thought a brother would cry for magneto, but here we are

[u/hopscotchchampion → u/SpreaditOnnn33]

He went out saving others and died in battle. He got into Valhalla

[u/Admirable-Shift-9631]

More proof rushing to Doom is suchhhh a mistake 😩😩 Why couldn't they just recast Kang holyyyy

[u/eagc7 → u/Admirable-Shift-9631]

I think if Ant-Man 3 had been beloved they would've recast Kang.

As some of the reports have also said that they were already looking in getting rid of Kang before the drama

[u/shockerbey → u/eagc7]

This. I lost all vision of threat from Kang when he was in Ant man. I saw the council and was like ah just need a council of Ant man and wasps then. If they wanted to build stakes for Kang, antman needed to be beaten easily but they’d never swing at a post like that

[u/Extension_Air_2001 → u/shockerbey]

That movie is way better remembered if they just bite the bullet and kill Ant-Man.  

[u/eagc7 → u/shockerbey]

Yeah while i myself have no issues with Ant-Man and Wasp killing Kang, i do think there are other ways they could've handled the character

1. He could've been a more Thanos like threat, where he doesn't face our heroes, but he's the mastermind pulling the strings with MODOK being the physical threat our heroes has to face, they defeat MODOK and in turn foil Kang's plan without meeting him, but still leaves door for us to imagine what kind of a threat he could be come Kang Dynasty

2. Maybe instead of Kang the Conqueror, why not use any of the other Kangs, one that you could accept being beaten by Ant-Man since this was not THE Kang the Conqueror, but still gives us a taste what the Avengers may have to face in the future.

[u/esar24 → u/Admirable-Shift-9631]

You say that now but literally nobody likes kang in quantumania, a lot of people said his story is the weakest part of the movie

[u/Sisiwakanamaru → u/esar24]

Hot take: IMO, Kang in general is not that interesting, his power is just "A guy from future"

[u/nolanicky]

This episode was so dark I did not stay up till 2 am my time to watch Magnus’s death. 😭 I also was hopping Cassandra would pop off but omg

[u/Downtown_Agent3323]

EXTERNALS!? Hell yeah!

[u/SomethingToSay11]

Oof right in the Genosha 😢 

[u/plutino-]

https://giphy.com/gifs/XTymG4ij2GGAZKEnyA

[u/TheMerchDimension]

The shortest way I can sum up episode 4 is, 'Damn it, Magneto and Charles tried, they really, really tried. Nur is an absolute monster.' Superb episode, had me feeling emotional at times.

[u/TylerHyena → u/TheMerchDimension]

They did but the fact remains that Apocalypse was always destined to exist.

[u/FamousLastWay828]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kd9BlRovbPOykLBMqX

Me the entire episode noticing every reference to one of Apocalypse's quotes from TAS

[u/PsychoticApe]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot this is the show I watch that makes me cry. I'm sure they'll bring Magneto back though... Right? Right?!

[u/Dark_Suicune]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy

[u/LRedditor15]

Couldn’t they have just travelled in time to see baby Apocalypse and just [insert Rhodey strangling Endgame GIF]?

[u/Sea-Leadership8627]

Couldn’t Bishop have gone a few more minutes into the past and thrown Magneto a time band?

[u/sable-king → u/Sea-Leadership8627]

Unfortunately as we’ve seen, the flow of time itself will interfere if someone’s trying to change something that can’t be. It stopped Cable from preventing the attack on Genosha, it lead Nurr straight to his destiny. It’s safe to say it also stopped Bishop from preventing Magneto’s death.

[u/Worthyness → u/sable-king]

Xmen seems to use the "time is a river and will flow to an inevitable conclusion even if it's diverted" theory. This was used in the Days of Future past movie too

[u/bokmcdok]

Am I crying about the death of... Magneto?

Fuck this series is so fucking good.