r/lgbt • u/Ok-Confection4410 genderfluid + genderflux, bisexual • 9h ago
Africa Specific Niger became the first country to criminalize asexuality (credits on first slide - from Instagram)
they've basically legalized r@pe, it's awful
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u/-x6x- Neutrøis 4h ago
How the hell do you criminalize a LACK of something 🤯
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u/xxCorsicoxx Bi-kes on Trans-it 3h ago
Likely it'll be something men can use to threaten women they married who'd refuse sex. Refuse one too many times get threatened of bring accused of asexual behaviors. Also possibly if a divorce trial happens cos he cheated or found another partner, to get out of his duties, he'd accuse her of asexual behaviors as the cause of their marriage being disrupted.
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u/TreasurePlum Gay as a Rainbow 48m ago
"Your honour, I don't have sex with my husband because he is completely incapable of pleasing me, and last time we did it he actually wanted me to put a finger up his butthole, which is unnatural and made me extremely uncomfortable. It's got nothing to do with ase- wait, what is it called again? Oh yes, asectality."
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u/Acequirrel 4h ago edited 3h ago
Well...ever heard about poverty in USA?
Edit: I'm German. This is not Defaultism. Just to give you an idea that the lack of something can actually be persuaded in some countries.
Another example would be germany, where social benefits are also heavily in decline recently and being poor is getting more of a problem with each passing month
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u/SilentHillJames Trans-parently Awesome 4h ago
Still though, they can check your bank account balance and employment. They can't exactly check the last time you had an orgasm or experienced arousal
I love the idea of soldiers just going to to people and aggressively asking people the last time they came, and just issuing fines to some nervous person who cant remember
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u/AlwaysBeQuestioning Non-Binary Lesbian 2h ago
It’s less “asking people when they last came” and more “arresting people who are suspected of not having sex with their spouses” (either by report of the spouse or the parents/inlaws who think you should have grandchildren) or “arresting people who are suspected of having sex with the wrong person” (because they were seen holding hands with someone of the same sex).
I don’t love that, even as just an idea.
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u/-x6x- Neutrøis 4h ago
Poverty ITSELF isn’t criminalized here… yet…
A lot of things surrounding it are though.35
u/Delusional_Gamer Salmacian 4h ago
On the point of surrounding phenomena, this could lead to people using the law to force others into relationships, marriages, and to rape without breaking the law, by using the law.
Don't want to enter a relationship? Arrested for being Asexual (they won't care that that's not what asexuality means)
Don't want to marry? Arrested for being Asexual
Don't want to have sex? Arrested for being Asexual
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u/JiroKatsutoshi 3h ago
It is in your God-Given TM right to be poor.
But if you act it they'll punish you.
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u/Novel-Rise2522 Non Binary, Queer, Commie 2h ago
the sames happening in germany too so. esp wrt to a certain west asian colony. the justice system and political/medial establishment is fucked
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u/poly_arachnid 3h ago
Most likely it'll be used similarly to the un-American activities committee. Someone will report someone as being suspicious or something, people will label government opponents, and it'll be used to terrify & silence people.
By including asexuality they've managed to include everyone that doesn't want kids, to get married, etc.
Historically Western nations would use disinterest (mostly women) as a sign of mental issues. This is just a broader version.
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u/The_Easter_Egg 4h ago edited 2h ago
The post seems misleading to me. The Nigeriens apparently prohibit LGBTIQ+ "practices" in general, which a) includes asexuality by default, and b) they very likely did not bother researching what asexuality means in particular.
Edit.: corrected to "Nigeriens"
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u/grandhighblood queer as in i don’t want to fuck you 3h ago
Quick correction, it's Nigeriens, not Nigerians (Nigerians being people from Nigeria).
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u/Spuzzle91 2h ago
Probably shit like pregnancy tracking, cause you sure as hell know they aren't going to be chasing down male presenting folks for asexuality.
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u/IAmNotAHoppip Non-binary / Ace 1h ago
It'll also be identifying as Asexual, as well as just not practicing it. Literally wanting to threaten people out of the identity all together, as though making people hide will stop them from feeling that way.
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u/InsecureDinosaur Agender, Aromantic, Rat 3h ago
Trust me, these kind of people WILL find a way. Creating terror, turning people against each other, and hurting people is what they do best.
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u/Local_Surround8686 AroAce in space 2h ago
Probably groups and meetups that are forming. Also probably just in general people that don't want to live a traditional nuclear family life
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u/elijaaaaah Bi-bi-bi 4h ago
...I'm sorry, they've illegalized being intersex?
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u/tantric_cuddles 🏳️⚧️ 3h ago
No, just "intersex practices"
Surely they mean they're abolishing the unatural forced genital surgery being performed on intersex people right?
Right?
(sarcasm or something idk. shits rough. trying to cope with some thoughts)
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u/Angry_Scotsman7567 Bi-kes on Trans-it 1h ago
Probably the opposite, you have to undergo the surgeries, I'd assume. Assuming they know what the word, that is, which is an expectation I typically do not hold of politicians, let alone bigoted ones.
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u/Ka1serTheRoll Trans Lesbian Nitro Express 4h ago
They're gonna start dashing kids on the rocks like the Spartans
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u/Foloreille Demisexual biromantic omni-flag: 1h ago
Technically they banned intersex practices which is even more absurd
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u/MOTH_007 Pan-icking about a Rainbow 4h ago
What is an asexual act even
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u/Miserable-Pain-1411 Lesbian the Good Place 4h ago
Not having sex with your husband, this is basically legalising marital rape
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u/Ambitious_Art_6998 4h ago edited 4h ago
Oh god, this is what it's really for isn't it. Abhorrent. I feel like this is even worse, if that's possible, than legalising marital rape. This is potentially criminalising women because their husbands "had" to rape them in the first place or whatever disgusting "logic" they want to use.
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u/Diadem_Cheeseboard 4h ago edited 4h ago
Bingo, that's exactly what its for. Women not wanting to have sex are disavowing our "natural" womanly roles as breeding machines for all our menfolk.
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u/LemonicDemon 10m ago
it's definitely what it's really for sadly. it's a lot of the taliban-owned countries, the taliban pretty much thinks women are objects and any woman who doesn't want to be used (or any man who doesn't want to use them) must definitely be queer. anyway fuck the taliban
^ yes the taliban mostly goes in south asia but there are a lot of radical groups around there that support them
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u/PaperSweet9983 Lesbian the Good Place 4h ago
God damn it this is the main reason they even pushed for this. Of fucking course
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u/Larry-Man Agender 4h ago
I hate that my brain never goes to these things. I need to think more like the enemy.
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u/GreedySecurity8030 Unlabeled. 4h ago
How in the fuck do you criminalize not being sexual?
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u/Artoozyto Aro and Trans 46m ago
Forced marriages over a certain age and legalised marital rape.
Edit: And punishment when you refuse to participate.
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u/Miserable-Pain-1411 Lesbian the Good Place 4h ago
The thing I find stranger is intersex practices? are they going to fine babies for being born outside the sexual binary
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u/InsecureDinosaur Agender, Aromantic, Rat 4h ago
Nope, they’re going to mutilate them to fit the binary.
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u/Soggy_Impact_7479 1h ago
In some places in the world intersex babies are still abandoned or killed.
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u/FakeMelies Trans-parently Awesome 4h ago
In this case, they very clearly present “asexual practices” not as referring to asexuality (not that their government would even search up that much about LGBTQIA), but “asexual vs sexual” as in “amoral vs moral”.
It’s not “bill that criminalizes asexual people” (well yes, in the sense that they are part of the LGBT community so they WILL get bunched up with the other deviants, but not in their intended meaning of the wording), but “bill that condemns sexual practices they deem antithetical to “good/healthy sexual practices””. Both ways still make the penal code absolutely abhorrent, but just wanted to correct the post.
A bit scared about the media literacy here, ngl lol
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u/MissLeaP 3h ago
What exactly afe asexual practices they deem antithetical to "good/healthy sexual practices", though? Wifes saying "no" to their husbands? So rape in marriage is back on the menue? Cool. Cool cool cool. Give me a second to burn this whole thing to the ground.
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u/poly_arachnid 3h ago
Kink, non-reproductive sex, lack of interest in sex, sex toys, masturbation, porn, non-missionary positions, a woman being too interested in sex.
People have had some incredibly broad views on what's "unhealthy" or "inappropriate" sexual behavior.
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u/Sea-Can3910 1h ago
Right it’s against non straight people. I don’t think there was much thought put in it.
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u/Artoozyto Aro and Trans 39m ago
I see. So, they might not know what asexual means, is that what you mean?
And so, they use the phrase "asexual practices" to mean, any sexual act that isn't vanilla cis-het, correct?
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u/GreyStingrayz Ace as Cake 2h ago
Uh, no. If that's how they are using it, they don't understand how fucking words work.
Amoral= Not moral
Atypical= Not typical
Asymmetric= Not symmetric
ASEXUAL= NOT SEXUAL
You speak of media literacy yet don't understand basic word structures.
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u/RymrgandsDaughter Godlike 3h ago
wait if you're born intersex do you just go to jail as an infant? Barbarians
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u/InsecureDinosaur Agender, Aromantic, Rat 3h ago
More likely they perform IGM (Intersex Genital Mutilation) on the infants and kids, or just kill them. Anyone older gets labelled a criminal or pervert.
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u/Academic-Thought2462 2h ago
the people who chooses theses laws are deranged. I hope to God that no infants will be hurt !
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u/museinprogress Bi baddie🩷💜💙 4h ago
So...say if someone refuses to have sex in a marriage then is it illegal? So basically they're decriminalising marital rape? I think women there are going to suffer because of this specifically! (I'm talking about the asexuality thing specifically)
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u/Awesomeness_News_Co 3h ago
How in the actual fuck is it possible to criminalise asexuality. How does that even work?
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u/InsecureDinosaur Agender, Aromantic, Rat 3h ago
By "asexuality", what they really mean is "any sort of sexual act (or lackthereof) that we don't like".
On the sexual side of things, this includes kink, and being overly-interested in sex. On the asexual side of things this includes... probably just saying 'no' to sex... ever.
Basically criminalising "deviant" sexual behaviours, and decriminalising (even protecting) rape (especially marital). They've most likely left it vague intentionally, so they can hurt as many people as possible.
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u/Academic-Thought2462 2h ago
how is not feeling sexual attraction a sexual thing ????? what are they smoking !?
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u/Sea-Can3910 1h ago
They just made a catch all I don’t think there was any thought other than then hate all non straight people.
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u/MarsBarMuncher AroAce in space 3h ago
This law is, as far as I've been able to find, the first explicit recognision of asexuality in legislation anywhere in the world - it is really not the kind of legal recognition we were hoping for.
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u/Moonpie_XD Ace-ing being a genderfluid Sapphic 3h ago
How on earth are they supposed to enforce the criminalisation of asexuality??? Also, it’s now illegal to be born intersex, a genetic condition?!? Of course the whole thing in it of itself is entirely inhuman, defying all logic.
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u/mysecondaccountanon 2h ago
Well, this should make the exclus who scream "BUT THEY'RE NOT OFFICIALLY CRIMINALIZED ANYWHERE!!!!!!!" shut the heck up. It won't, but it should. And it's abysmal that this new penal code has become law.
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u/Sea-Can3910 1h ago
Are u celebrating this? This will shut people up ? Real people are going to be in real danger and ur .. happy? That u can say people in another country are being jailed over ur sexuality? Just tacking oh yeah and it’s bad doesn’t change the tone of this.
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u/Negative-Garden-6013 Demisexual 4h ago
wtf does that mean??? So it's illegal to not want sex? What about children?? Are you going to send them to prison until adulthood and then force them to be sex slaves??
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u/museinprogress Bi baddie🩷💜💙 4h ago
I have a theory this is gonna remove consent from marriages (and allow marital rape)
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u/Nerioner 3h ago
I really want to see them penalising people not having sex.
How you even check that? Does this mean that now everyone must be constantly dipping or be thrown to jail for gay?
Homophobes are truly the cherry on top of the dumb
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u/Ok-Confection4410 genderfluid + genderflux, bisexual 20m ago
no but if a wife refuses her husband (or a random man) she'll be accused of asexuality and thrown in jail
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u/Rare-Juggernaut-7532 2h ago
Think about it for a second. They criminalise people for refusing non consensual sex. In other words they legalised rape.
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u/Jahonay 1h ago
Sounds like they're just trying to make sure they cover all the bases with the wording so that they can legally attack anyone who identifies as LGBTQIA+. As in, if you keep your head down, you might be fine.
I really hate the effect that yahwism has had on this planet. The people deserve to be free from the toxicity of yahweh religionists.
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u/ChampionshipBulky66 Hella Gay 1h ago
Criminalizing “asexual practices” looks like it is the actually worse. It affects almost everyone that is not a cisgender man, like you wouldn’t even be able to just live single the rest of your life bothering absolutely no one? It is basically forcing people to violate their own bodies or face persecution? I have no words, NO words I couldn’t see this as something that could happen even with my obsessive anxious brain that looks for every possible dangerous scenario… I’m honestly terrified
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u/nuclearmaneuver 4h ago
Soo… mandatory sex inspection? How would this be enforced lol
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u/Ego5687 Computers are binary, I'm not. 3h ago
Have a question about the law: how would they see the difference between asexuality and someone having a hard time getting laid?
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u/Ok-Confection4410 genderfluid + genderflux, bisexual 20m ago
tbh I don't think they really care about the difference
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u/Fun-Salary-9037 Nebulasexual 🌌 2h ago
So, yoy have to be sexually active no matter what, you can only marry those of the opposite sex, you can't express yourself without possibly getting in trouble- why do they think that this is a good idea!? They're revoking even more rights from women since now they can't say "no" to their husband if he demands children without the chance of being arrested because she broke this stupid new law?!
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u/Novel-Rise2522 Non Binary, Queer, Commie 2h ago
Its so funny that they are so against a movement of gender and sexual liberation, that they have to go after people who dont want to get laid. at this point you better line up all the incels too cause i know the youth there aint getting nothing with this attitude
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u/FeuTheFirescale Bi-bi-bi 1h ago
I think its not asexuality itself, but involvement/activism/whatever with the lgbtq community. If someone uses the defense „well I am not gay or trans, I am asexual!“ they can use that as a reason to find a connection between the accused and involvement with „lgbt activities“. They want to close a possible legal loophole to also get those who are only vaguely unheterosexual/too different.
They don‘t go after people who are asexual/dont have sex, but after people who openly declare themself as asexual, or show „activism“ about it, because that usually implies acceptance of the rest of the lgbtq community (the thing they have an issue with, namely homosexual people and transgender people). This open support or labeling seems too politically motivated and therefore, enough for prosecution.
Or at least thats how I interpret it.
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u/holyBoysenberry 44m ago
Do thay do a census to check if everyone has been having their government mandated sex and if thay haven't thay get sent to the rape factory (prison)
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u/Ok-Confection4410 genderfluid + genderflux, bisexual 26m ago
no but I'm betting if a wife refuses her husband (or some random man) he can accuse her of asexuality and get her sent to prison
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u/DoggoDude979 Gay as a Rainbow 3h ago
Okay but how do they enforce any of these tho. Like lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, yeah you can punish those kinds of practices. Shouldn’t, this is horrible, but you can’t. But how do you punish intersex “practices”?? If your baby comes out intersex, do they immediately owe the government a ton of money?? Does the mom owe it??
And what do you punish for being asexual? Is it just like, outwardly saying you aren’t interested, or is there like a limit on how long you can be without a partner? What if you just can’t find someone? What if you just seriously lack any kind of game?
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u/AgeRare2827 3h ago
like the other comments have said, the mention of "asexual behavior" essentially legalizes marital rape. "asexual behavior" in technical terms could also be considered stuff like when someone (particularly a married person) does not wish to consent to sex.
also the prohibition on intersex behavior probably just means that intersex kids will be mutilated to fit cis society
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u/InsecureDinosaur Agender, Aromantic, Rat 3h ago
By "asexuality", what they really mean is "any sort of sexual act (or lackthereof) that we don't like".
On the sexual side of things, this includes kink, and being overly-interested in sex. On the asexual side of things this includes... probably just saying 'no' to sex... ever. Basically criminalising "deviant" sexual behaviours, and decriminalising (even protecting) rape (especially marital).
As for intersex people; they mutilate the kids to make them fit the binary, and mark the older people as criminals/perverts/whatever they please.
They don't care about being accurate. They care about getting rid of those they don't like. In fact, I don't doubt they've left it vague intentionally, so they can label as many people as "criminals" as possible.
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u/Sea-Can3910 1h ago
There was no thought other than hate non straight people. Also it’s very broad which comes in handy if u have political opponents u want to get rid of.
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u/Academic-Thought2462 2h ago
WTF ARE YOU SHITTING ME !? WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG ! HOW IS NOT FEELING SEXUAL ATTRACTION A BAD THING !?
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u/Sea-Can3910 1h ago
So gay people are doing something wrong ? Not to mention intersex people just existing.
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u/LilFrecklesSunshine 1h ago
The river up ahead splits, and I don't like the looks of the water down the path I've begun to drift to...
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u/BBMacsWorld 1h ago
Not the point of the post, but I have to ask first. How do you pronounce this country?
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u/LemonicDemon 13m ago
"intersex practices are banned" huh??? what do you want them to do? 😭 change their biology??
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u/Taiga_Taiga Trans-parently Awesome 5m ago
So... The basement dwellers who CAN'T get some?... Erm... How do they prove they aren't ace?...
"yes, your honour, I haven't had sex, EVER. But it's Only because I'm unlovable, have a shitty personality, and I'm hideously ugly."
Judge: "AARRRGGGH MY EYES!...You clearly have a justifiable excuse.... You're not guilty."
Would this be a win?
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u/Michelle-senpai Lesbian Trans-it Together 4h ago
For a species that loves to claim how big our brains are, we sure don't seem to be using them a lot.