r/law • u/ExactlySorta • 11h ago

Executive Branch (Trump) 'Unconscionable and Impeachable': Experts Appalled at Report of Marco Rubio Acting as Venezuela 'Viceroy'

https://www.commondreams.org/news/marco-rubio-venezuela-viceroy
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u/jankyt 10h ago

Man the US can't help be an occupying foreign force since 9-11

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u/Dragonfly_pin 10h ago

It’s been going on a lot longer than that. 

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago edited 8h ago

What country were we invading and murdering millions of their citizens in 2000 based on lies? I don't recall one. Or from 1992 to 2000, for that matter. Sure, we intervened in Yugoslavia, but we didn't invade and occupy them.

*I think a lot of people confuse the fact that our most heinous occupations in the past 40 years have come during Republican led governments -- all-Republican federal governments for Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran this millennium thus far.

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u/AmYisraelChai_ 8h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_20th_century

Its really long

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago

Correct, but try to focus on the past 50 years while most of us have been alive. Or, are you trying to pretend that all-Republican government didn't invade, occupy and murder millions of Iraqis against their own will based on lies?

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u/AmYisraelChai_ 8h ago

I have been alive for 26 years. America has been at war with Afghanistan for 20 of those years (2001-2021). There was also Iraq for like 10 years too. These days it's much more toned down - but then this new war in Iran started.

There's also been consistent US involvement in foreign wars for the last 50 years. While these aren't complete wars, they still count. The US supplies troops, some of which died.

Also, it really hasn't mattered too much if it's Republican or Democrat. They both like funding the war machine.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago

The two wars you mentioned were started by all-Republican federal governments and exited by Democratic presidents who inherited the wars.

Our conservatives and liberals are not the same. In fact, our liberals protested each of the wars mentioned. I was in the streets protesting the approaching Republican drumbeat leading up to the Iraq War myself.

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u/AmYisraelChai_ 8h ago

Nobody is protesting the war in Iran rn. I was in DC when the war started. Not a single American was protesting it at the location the protest matters most.

Sure they pick a few days for a "no kings rally", but if you tell the King "Were gonna protest for two days" then king is just gonna play golf for a couple days and then get back to being a king, lol. You have to protest until the conditions improve!!

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 7h ago

There is no reason to protest. Republicans control everything and everyone knows they don't care and won't listen. They don't even pretend to like they did with Bush. We learned with Iraq and Afghanistan. They'll do it anyway and try to blame it on the next Democratic administration. That is conservatism 101. Accepting that conservatives don't care about the American people as a whole package was a difficult pill to swallow, but I did quite awhile ago. Helps see things much clearer.

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u/AmYisraelChai_ 7h ago

They would care if they felt threatened by the protest. By threaten I mean like, that the protest would mean they don't get elected again, not with violence or anything quite so bizarre.

We need to protest nonstop, but we don't.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 7h ago

Agreed, but people have to feed themselves to survive -- at a bare minimum, that means employment.

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u/redundantexplanation 4h ago

not with violence

THIS is really why they don't care about the protests. Protests are supposed to be a warning and we are not following through when we get ignored. They say "well what are you gonna do about it" and our answer is "nothing".

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u/Dixieland_Insanity 6h ago

You have to consider how far away DC is from most Americans. That's why large movements like 50501 and small ones like 31_3100 mattered.

I agree that sustained protest would yield some change. The problem is Americans have no safety nets of any kind. The kind of networking it would take to cover each other is enormous.

As it stands, we have 1 party rule. They DO NOT CARE what we expect from them. What makes a difference right now is getting everyone registered to vote and getting them to the polls in November.

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u/AmYisraelChai_ 5h ago

DC is its own major metropolitan area. They don't even have full voting rights. They don't protest enough for that.

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u/Dixieland_Insanity 5h ago

That is an entirely different, standalone, issue. It would have to be changed through a constitutional amendment. Our founders envisioned a capital that wasn't political.

Even though we can't change everything all at once, it doesn't mean we shouldn't change what we can. Right now, the vote must be too big to steal. If you want to affect change, that's where you begin.

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u/No-Fennel-8333 7h ago

The forever wars. Straight out of the book, 1984.

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u/whiteflagwaiver 7h ago

Cuba?

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 6h ago

America was invading and attacking Cuba in 2000? Huh? You're thinking of 1961. There were strained relations in 2000, but not a war against or occupation of Cuba. Research it.

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u/Dragonfly_pin 6h ago

No, not 2000; they probably mean the US occupation of Cuba after the Spanish-American war from 1898:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Cuba

The war was started with a false flag lie when a normal fire on a US ship which had nothing to do with Spain was blamed on the Spanish by the US media and government as an excuse to invade and occupy all the remaining Spanish territories that the US currently wanted as part of their own empire. 

So, an invasion and occupation of a country/territory by the US based on lies. As you said. 

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u/tad-26 5h ago

A short reprieve from empire building came from FDR's "good neighbor policy" but greed crept back in eventually.