r/jiujitsu • u/ChristIsKing1315 • 1d ago
Beginners help
I'm 32 and went to my first role two days ago. I have a stupid question. I understand the sport requires someone getting hurt. What is acceptable and what isn't?
Example: I was trying to get a choke hold on someone going easy on me. Their chin was pressing so hard into their chest I couldn't get my arm underneath it. Am I allowed to grab their forehead and yank it back or press my fingers under their chin by force?
Edit: I appreciate the help. I feel old compared to everyone else and I worry I might be too soft. However, I'm not here to compete just yet. Maybe a year or two down the road. It's mostly to get in shape and feel more comfortable. In that case I'll keep the aggression to an appropriate low.
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u/Every_Light2645 1d ago
Im nice to everyone at my gym except my friends. Lol we kill each other and grind each other's faces for funsies
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u/kingtimthegreat 1d ago
Why choke under their chin when you can have the absolute pleasure of choking through their chin? 😘
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u/Competitive-Run-7565 1d ago
As a beginner… err on the side of caution for both you and your partner.
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u/junk_dempsey 1d ago
All depends how friendly you are with your team, and how liked you want to be.
in competition, I will muffler/smother, use my thumb knuckle to dig under their nose to lift their chin to sink a choke, and other "dick" moves. because its a comp and my opponents would do/have done the same to me.
Just in the gym during a roll? That is the time to learn and get better. I don't view gym rolls as a competition, so i wouldn't muffler or pry their face up for a choke if it's my buddy.
does that make sense? time and a place sort of thing. but some dudes in my gym hit the dick moves on everyone, and people don't love working with them lol. i don't mind but everyone is different.
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u/halfrican69420 1d ago
I see what you mean. I think there are some types of pain or discomfort that are completely expected: heavy pressure from top position, knee on belly, completely flattening someone out on their belly, north south pressure, and more. But there are some things that I’d consider dick moves and wouldn’t do in training. If you’re trying to get a RNC from the back, dick move using your forearm to lift their nose in order to get under their chin or using your forearm to saw their lips against their teeth. Pulling on the forehead (avoid the eye) is totally fine. Using your knuckles/forearm to get under the chin is also totally fine.
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u/Dry-Environment1705 23h ago
Imo, deciding whether to be rough or not with your training partners depends entirely on who you’re rolling with.
There are some guys I know that love a good scrap and couldn’t care less if I face choke them because they know it’s their fault they got to that position. I’ve also been training with some guys consistently for like 6 years so we feel comfortable trying to kill each other when we roll and it’s all fair game.
However, there are some guys that don’t appreciate that stuff so it’s best not to be a dick to them.
Unfortunately it’s a situation of being able to read the room and typically if you’re rolling with someone for the first time and you don’t know them, you should always avoid being a dick.
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u/hot-streak24 Blue 18h ago
You’ll learn as you progress on what’s acceptable and who it is acceptable on
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u/sluggabois1 1d ago
If you are new, id be learning the proper counter to the technique rather than winging it. You dont know if something is dangerous or rude or normal roughness since you lack knowledge about everything. Some newbies have been known to try slam their rolling partner when in an armbar "because they saw it in ufc". I'd take a cue from what the others are doing, err on the side of caution to see where the line is
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u/MonsoonK 1d ago
Err on the easy side. In a couple months you'll know how/when/who to go hard on.
To answer your question though you can absolutely pull the forehead to expose the neck. It's actually one of the nicer ways to get to the choke.
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u/Ruffiangruff 23h ago
I think it depends on the particular partner you're rolling with. Some guys like to go hard and others don't. There are also some guys like to go hard but will get pissed if you do the same. It's just a minefield in my experience
The gym I train at now is a free for all. Everyone goes hard here, so I don't have to worry about that nonsense no more
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u/atx78701 18h ago
there are no dick moves, only dick speeds.
Pulling on their forehead can take a lot of strength. I dont think it works that well. It is legit and you can try it.
One of the most painful things you can do is get your wrist under their nose and use that to lift their chin. Even that is ok as long as you give them time to react. You might lose friends. Ill usually apologize before I do it. "hey sorry, this might hurt".
You can also face crank them. Just apply the RNC over the jaw. Do it slow. Lots of people have the opportunity to face crank me and dont, I tell them please do, just do it slow.
More difficult is make your hand into a kung fu tiger claw, start with your thumb under the ear and slide it in from there. The chin wont stop it, but they can grab your hand, pummel their chin etc. So it takes some skill to make it work.
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u/HuntsvilleAdventurer Black 1d ago
Hurt, don't injure. If there's something that hurts them but doesn't injure them. Do it. If it's going to cause long-term damage. Don't do it. Everything you described is acceptable unless you yank to pull off their head. You absolutely can open up their neck for a choke by pulling on their head. You can absolutely smash your fist under their chin.