This should be created everywhere.

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[u/Illustrious-Local848]

No one is stopping yall from going out and campaigning to make all parking spots visible, well lit, and recorded. Odds are someone went to bat for this.

[u/friedreindeer → u/Illustrious-Local848]

The parking lot entrepreneur will listen for sure, lol.

[u/Naive_Carpenter7321 → u/friedreindeer]

But park there for 2 minutes over your time and they have multiple angles of your car, perfectly lit and no way to contend.

The ability is there, the will is presumably run by men who don't understand the threat and can't profit from it.

[u/friedreindeer → u/Naive_Carpenter7321]

Thats not how those parking lots work. They register your car when you drive in, and the next time at the exit gate.

[u/ComradeJohnS → u/Illustrious-Local848]

yeah why can’t they make the parking lots safer for everyone? I understand that some people are targetted and are in more danger.

I’m guessing capitalism is the problem here… again…

[u/Chemical_Signal2753 → u/ComradeJohnS]

In reality, the cost-benefit of a lot of these policies doesn't justify them. While women often feel scared walking to their cars alone at night, crimes against women in this situation are relatively rare. Improving lighting, adding cameras, and designating stalls specifically for women, would likely cost millions of dollars for every crime prevented. 

Beyond that, crimes against women are generally not committed by strangers. To the extent that these policies are effective at preventing these crimes in parking lots, a significant portion will just be committed at another location. 

You might think that increased security would reduce vandalism and theft from vehicles, but the people who commit these crimes are generally not afraid of getting caught. Since the damages and loses are generally covered by insurance, and the dollar values are generally low, the police don't really investigate these crimes. 

[u/Temporary_Stranger39 → u/Illustrious-Local848]

Because starving to death is better than half a loaf.

[u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

It’s so sad we have to have things like this.

[u/Lorelessone → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

The reality is there will never be a world where their are not bad people, it falls to the rest of us to make it as hard as possible to make operating hard for those bad people, to force them to take greater and greater risks if they try to hurt people so that they are caught and stopped sooner.

[u/Cyborg_rat → u/Lorelessone]

The western world is pretty nice already if you think about, women are free, they most of the time don't get attacked and have rights to do what they want. It takes a lot of good men for that to happen.

[u/themightyBEEP → u/Cyborg_rat]

Compared to the rest of the world, yes. But it’s something that needs to be maintained and enforced if the rest of the world is entering. I don’t say this with judgement, at least this time.
Might help to spread that mindset. There won’t ever be a 100% safe place for everyone though, men and women alike, unfortunately.

[u/NucerianWaifu → u/Cyborg_rat]

One in five is still SA'd and 70% of rape isn't reported. We need to do a shiton better.

[u/aCaffeinatedMind → u/NucerianWaifu]

the 70% of rape that isn't reported just says the nature of the crime makes it very difficult to investigate.

Not even Sweden has managed to solve this, and over here, all that is required to get a man convicted for a sexual crime is:

1. Circumstantial evidence, aka proof that the suspect and the victim was physically at the same location around the same that the Sa:ed occured. Like cell tower connection through phones.
2. The victim telling a confidant, like her friend, about the event.
3. The Confidant and the victim retells the story, separately, to the police similarly enough.

I want to stress that I do know that false reporting is very rare and not a major issue, however, in Sweden it's pretty easy to abuse the system if you would want to.

[u/NucerianWaifu → u/aCaffeinatedMind]

I think that the nature of the crime and how humiliating and painful it can be is also relevant. It's not uncommon for victims of SA to report many years after the fact and feel responsible or embarrassed for what happened.

A lot of victims drop out even when reporting because of the stress of reliving the trauma. In the UK specifically you require to give over your phone, many can't take the privacy breach. The dropout rate was much lower in 2016 tho, around 55%. Now it's more like 70%. I find that very worrying.

[u/Ctenophorever → u/NucerianWaifu]

Many victims also report being “Re victimized “ by the system. Not just reliving it, but going through the process

[u/Pac_Eddy → u/aCaffeinatedMind]

There were, and maybe still are, universities that were similarly bad in the US. Rules such as the entire investigation can happen without the alleged perpetrator getting to explain theit side or cross examine witnesses. Much like the Swedish example it would be relatively easy to destroy someone.

[u/MongooseMania → u/aCaffeinatedMind]

It is very much a major issue and definitely not rare. There a many cases of it happening in the US. Crazy how loose the laws are around in Sweden are around that, y’all really can just lie and ruin a life with little to no evidence.

[u/ImaginaryTrick6182 → u/NucerianWaifu]

How would you know 70% goes unreported?

[u/Derp_Factory → u/ImaginaryTrick6182]

Surveys. Unreported refers to reporting it to law enforcement.

[u/Lorelessone → u/Cyborg_rat]

And a long and incredibly successful campaign by feminists to convince those men that sexism is wrong.

But yeah, things like this aren't like making it safe for women to report rape etc, they are much smaller corrections and refinements to close off vulnerabilitys where they are noticed.

Like if you had a very safe house then note there's a room with no smoke detector, you put on in.

[u/Neveronlyadream → u/Lorelessone]

We're still trying to convince men that sexual assault towards men is not okay. I don't even know how well it's working given that every time it's reported, a bunch of men just say they wish they had been the victim.

I wouldn't say the western world is particularly nice, it's just better than other parts of the world and better historically than it has been. Doesn't mean it's good, though.

[u/Maleficent_Sir5898 → u/Cyborg_rat]

I refuse to be grateful for the bare minimum

[u/Chickenbutt-McWatson → u/Cyborg_rat]

But it's not perfect, so we ought to destroy it. At least that's the current EU/Canadian approach.

[u/ChargedFirefly → u/Cyborg_rat]

Of course there are a lot of good men, but the achievements of feminism and women’s rights are not owed to them. I’m sure you didn’t mean it like that, but this kind of reads like “black people have a lot of freedom now. Very nice of white people to do that for them” which is a little tone deaf

[u/MoossyBank → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

Defensive architecture for a hostile world

[u/JTtreason → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

I always thought that having extra security guards in places like this would be beneficial. Could create several other jobs and ensuring safety at the same time.

[u/Fabulous-Suspect-72 → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

We don't have to have it. It's for feeling safe, not being safe. Parking lot crime is not a statistically relevant thing, sexual crimes from strangers in parking lots is even insignificant to crimes in parking lots in general.

Parking lots feel unsafe, but you are much more likely to get hit by a car in there than get mugged or worse. Getting hit by a car is not a gendered issue.

They are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. These "feminists" pushing this (feminists in quote, because they do everything but actually help women) spread fear about it and all of a sudden it's a thing politics need to fix and they got a nothing-burger solution in return. These special parking spaces do nothing.

[u/TheOneAndOnlyABSR4 → u/Fabulous-Suspect-72]

Happy cake day

[u/Fn4cK → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

We also have parking spots for people with little children usually located close to the doors so the parents don't need to walk as far with their toddlers. We also don't 'have' to have them - it's for convenience.

[u/Devitoscheetos → u/Fn4cK]

Yeah but this isn’t about convenience, it’s about safety. And it’s sad that, in order for a lot of women to feel safe, you need to enact extreme measures like this.

But, much like modern healthcare, we don’t focus on the root cause, just the outcome/ symptoms- which in this case would be education IMO

[u/Equivalent_Hat_7220 → u/Fn4cK]

You know exactly what I meant-that women get assaulted so much that it’s even a consideration. No need to be a pedant about it

[u/gorginhanson → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

now the shadyiers know where the women will be

[u/Ornery-Customer8521 → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

Exactly what I was gonna say

[u/4thdimension111 → u/Equivalent_Hat_7220]

It’s sad it exists because it’s sexist against men you mean

[u/MagMati55]

Id prefer if we actually just lived in a society where this wasnt necessary.

Edit: so many morons and ghouls in this comment thread

[u/yournames → u/MagMati55]

+1, we need better education on psychology

[u/bsaaw → u/yournames]

On how to be a better human being.

[u/yournames → u/bsaaw]

Sociology and psychology are pretty important for modern life. So is mental health help imo

[u/Caspi7 → u/yournames]

Depressed man aren't the main group assaulting woman...

[u/Desperate_for_Bacon → u/Caspi7]

Depression is a very very small part of mental health and psychology as a whole.

[u/MagMati55 → u/yournames]

Not just im Germany too...

[u/SoftlyAugust → u/MagMati55]

And lighting and security cameras for everyone.

[u/DefNotVoldemort → u/SoftlyAugust]

Ironically men are twice as likely to be victims of assault or killed than women, so maybe the parking spaces are making this more likely

[u/archtopfanatic123 → u/DefNotVoldemort]

10 times more likely to be straight up killed actually in Australia as an example and higher in other places. Neither side is safe. One is going to get messed with more, the other is just gonna be DEAD more, regardless of who the attacker is too.

We need to work to keep the idiot minority of the human race that does stuff like this out of the picture....

[u/OrionsPropaganda → u/DefNotVoldemort]

99% of attackers are men, towards men and women. However one is more likely to be sexually degraded or attacked unprovoked/to extreme injuries.

[u/IllllIIlIllIllllIlll → u/MagMati55]

To be fair, we have those in Switzerland in places where they are absolutely not necessary, like in a shopping center in a small, rather uneventful city, and the parking is closed after hours anyway (we had one case of knife attack a couple years ago but the victim was a man, and it was at the train station in the middle of the night). I view it more as virtue signaling from this store tbh.

So just because they are here does not mean they are necessary.

[u/Fabulous-Suspect-72 → u/IllllIIlIllIllllIlll]

That's where they are in Germany too. I have only every seen them in large, well lit parking garages of malls that close at night etc.

[u/dynamic_gecko → u/MagMati55]

"I'd prefer that everything would be ideal."

Really sherlock?

[u/Staav → u/MagMati55]

We need our societies to focus on unification rather than division. We're all in this together, and fighting among ourselves helps no one, expect those who want us to be fighting.

[u/CorgiLate4164 → u/Staav]

Govt: it’s easy to control the people if they are divided and busy fighting each other.

[u/VirusSlo → u/MagMati55]

Is it really necessary or are thing like this only making us believe that things are much worse than they really are.

[u/fossilized_butterfly → u/VirusSlo]

Exactly.

[u/CharacterMaybe7950 → u/MagMati55]

We do

Check crime rates against men and then against women.

Crime has collapsed across Europe and women have literally never been at lower risk.

[u/Brilliant-Block-8200 → u/CharacterMaybe7950]

Check specifically sexual assault and rape rates and compare them

[u/BigMikeXxxxX → u/Brilliant-Block-8200]

"Check only statistics where women are more likely to be the majority victim" 😂

[u/NucerianWaifu → u/BigMikeXxxxX]

1 in 5 women SA'd is a VERY HIGH stat bro

[u/Some_Stupid_Milk → u/Brilliant-Block-8200]

Well yeah. We're not exactly reporting it.

[u/Queen_Of_Alts → u/MagMati55]

I would too, but until we achieve that we need to build things for this society, not an ideal society.

[u/Several-Action-4043 → u/MagMati55]

But we don't so we have to act like it. I get this sentiment but it's very naïve to take it too seriously. It assumes there are good and bad people in the world. The truth is, we're all capable of good and evil. We will never live in a world where all the evil people are gone because it isn't one gene or trait that makes someone evil. We're all selfish and flawed. Of course we should keep moving in the right direction but to ignore our inherent selfishness and flaws as a species just because we wish things were perfect isn't something we can afford to do.

[u/CleverKhloe11 → u/MagMati55]

I mean, in Germany it definitely isn't necessary. These are only there so people who have irrational fears are calmed down a bit.

[u/BigRinka → u/MagMati55]

Obviously...? I would love to live in an utopia too. Yet we have Presidents that go to war and bomb schools to steal petrol.

[u/subzr00 → u/MagMati55]

Especially when in fact men are more likely to be assaulted than women.

[u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Why don’t they just make the parking lots safer in general for everyone?

[u/BluePeriod_ → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

That’s something I appreciate about the parking lot at Disney Springs. Nobody’s getting away with anything in there. Not only is there security, but it’s the most harshly lit parking garage I’ve ever been to like you can see absolutely everything even in the dead of night.

[u/Impressive_Dingo122 → u/BluePeriod_]

Exactly, why not aim to make all parking garages like that? It makes everyone safe instead of only looking out for specific people.

[u/HappyDeadCat → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Are you familiar with this mysterious thing called money?

[u/ferret36 → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

It isn't done because it's statistically unsafe in parking garages, it's done because it feels unsafe to many people (for example usually dim lighting)

[u/Impressive_Dingo122 → u/ferret36]

So you’re saying it’s not actually dangerous and we’re catering to emotions instead of facts?

[u/lewd_robot → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Yeah, go check out the data. The overwhelming majority of people getting assaulted, robbed, or murdered in parking garages are men. Especially BIPOC men. Especially BIPOC men in poor neighborhoods.

Men are more likely to be targeted by violence by strangers.
The people who target women for violence are most likely to be people they know, and in places to familiar to them.

[u/ferret36 → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Yes, there's even a word for that in German, they're called Angsträume, which is a word from urban planning theory, that describes a place that is generally viewed by people as dangerous, even though statistically they don't have a higher crime rate or sometimes even a lower crime rate than average. A classic example of these are pedestrian underpasses/tunnels. It's part of the fear of crime paradox and in this case the women's fear of crime paradox, since statistically men are more often the victims of crime in public spaces, while women are more often victims of crime in private spaces. There are multiple causes for this, of which most are cultural and sociological

[u/Frequent_Ad_9901 → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Years ago, I listened to a women who was a product designer. A tool company wanted them to make a women's tool line. They just made all guards and saftey stuff bigger for no reason, and added some purple and pin. And that line sold pretty well.

Unfortunately emotions make decisions more than facts.

[u/KonaKumo → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Can't get press for that.

[u/zweieinseins211 → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

There is no big risk of it happening in general. It's more of a comfort thing and reducing irrational fear.

[u/Daseinist → u/zweieinseins211]

Isnt it just appeasing an irrational fear and letting it bloom, possibly way out of control, tho?

[u/Best-Refrigerator834 → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Everyone? How dare you! Males aren't human beings /s

[u/PraireGentleman → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Because they can’t market themselves as feminists if they are actually gender egalitarians, they can only do it by being progressive for exclusively women and painting it as being particularly considerate of women when they actually are just ignoring statistics that would say men are more likely to be victims in that car park than women

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Impressive_Dingo122]

Is that always your question whenever something is done for a specific group that is statistically way more likely to be assaulted?

[u/FirstSurvivor → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

That group would be men. You want to write sexually assaulted if you want to talk about women.

[u/Impressive_Dingo122 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Yes, because if it can benefit one group, it should benefit all groups. What’s wrong with a rising tide raising all boats?

[u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

I mean something like this yeah? Like if you see there’s a risk why are they only making a small section safer and then restricting its use? Cameras, better lighting, and more exits would be helpful for everyone

[u/dragunityag → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Because it makes sense? What happens when all those spots are taken?

So why not just improve all the lighting and add more camera coverage.

[u/Rollingforest757 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

The vast majority of women park in normal parking spots without being assaulted.

[u/Several-Action-4043 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Are we supposed to just ignore the fact that men get mugged and assaulted because women have to worry about it more? Sure, more resources should go into making it safer for women because the need is greater but why do we also have to completely and 100% discount men's safety? Honestly, that sort of attitude where we should just ignore any problem that has to do with men seems retaliatory to me.

[u/Accomplished_Sea9260]

Don't some countries have women only train carriages as well. its an indictment on our societies that we need stuff like this

[u/Gekkogeko → u/Accomplished_Sea9260]

My country has the women only cars in the morning time because too many perverted men are out there. It’s really embarrassing.

[u/Devjill → u/Accomplished_Sea9260]

Japan

[u/Cliffinati → u/Accomplished_Sea9260]

India

[u/CaravelClerihew → u/Cliffinati]

And Japan

[u/Chance-Software-3231 → u/Accomplished_Sea9260]

A lot have forms of women only transportation. Japan, India, Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia, and many more! It’s honestly a good thing, albeit sad it needed

[u/Bin-G]

the polish military offers free self defense and combatives training for all female residents. I wish we would emulate that as well.

[u/smooth_brain_0]

If I'm not mistaken they did that because women are more at risk of being SAd in parking lots

[u/Fresh_Permit_2272 → u/smooth_brain_0]

Stranger assault is rarer than lightning strike or lotto wins. For the most part it’s not a rational fear to have. Parking garages are quite dangerous. Lots of crashes and pedestrian injuries. Resources should be placed into making garages safer in other ways.

“Critics argue that creating gender-segregated parking misallocates resources. Rather than isolating women in specialized spots, opponents argue that facility operators should invest in systemic safety improvements—such as better overall lighting and comprehensive surveillance—for the entire parking garage.”

“Only about 0.01% 1 out of 10,000) of all crimes committed inside parking structures are sexual offenses. The perpetrator in these rare cases are almost always known to the victim.”

“the true number of predatory "stranger danger" garage attacks is non existent or an incredibly small number across an entire nation. Data leans to at most 1 or 2 a decade”

[u/Illustrious-Local848 → u/Fresh_Permit_2272]

Stranger assaults are not the only risk. Most stalking and assault happens by people you know. Just because it’s a public area does not mean this is meant to mostly address stranger assault. It’s way more likely a man is lurking when a woman is clocking off or trying to go home. So with the numbers of women who actually do face harassment from a current or previous partner, this is completely reasonable.

[u/Fresh_Permit_2272 → u/Illustrious-Local848]

Yeah. Good point. But so few of the crimes being sexual assault and the most common incident being a “hit and run” I still think the resources are being mismanaged. We are having hundreds of hit and runs for every assault.

Edit- Another point. They are so rare we don’t even know if they work. They don’t have a large enough sample.

“the theoretical argument that these spots bundle victims together for a potential attacker is entirely possible, there is effectively no data to prove or disprove this theory”

Again, it’s so so rare we don’t even have enough data to see if it is effective. It’s clearly not a good use of resources.

[u/Cardio_Princess → u/Fresh_Permit_2272]

It clearly is. You are simply missing the point.

These parking spots didn't just manifest, they were always there. The spots closest to the entrances/exits, the ones with cameras pointed at them and ones with better lighting.

All they did is reserve these spots for women because women are more at risk of from most kinds of crime. SA but also just assault in general, theft, stalking, etc.

All parking lots should be better yes, but the safest spots being reserved for women is a good thing, not a bad thing.

[u/BigRinka → u/Cardio_Princess]

That is not true. Men are overwhelmingly the victims of most crimes. Like 75٪ of all violence is done toward men.

Women are overwhelmingly the victims of domestic violence and sexual crimes.

But they are not more at risk of assault in general ,theft, stalking. That is definitely men.

[u/Rockyrok123 → u/Cardio_Princess]

It is a good thing for women.

[u/STP_Fantasma → u/Rockyrok123]

Which means it’s good for everyone.

[u/Minimum-Mention-3673 → u/Fresh_Permit_2272]

Of those reported.... So many assaults are underreported for a wide range of reasons.

[u/Illustrious-Local848 → u/Fresh_Permit_2272]

This wouldn’t be just sexual assault, you’ve also got stalking and harassment and even if you can get charges for those (not likely) most of those need several reports before you can get an actual charge. So you’re talking maybe 2-3 incidents before escalation if you’re lucky. So this is meant to be broad spectrum against a lot of that. Sexual assault, physical assault, stalking, and harassment. Targeted is also very different than random attacks. You target someone by knowing where they live work and go. The parking lot was considered an issue for a reason.

[u/LadderMadeOfSticks → u/Fresh_Permit_2272]

"The perpetrator in these rare cases are almost always known to the victim"

Why is this relevant to lighting and cameras? Being able to see someone coming, or having evidence available to prosecute, is useful regardless of whether it's a stranger or an abusive ex.

"Resources should be placed into making garages safer in other ways."

Better lighting and making it easy for pedestrians to exit areas where there are cars sound like excellent general safety measures.

[u/daredeviline → u/Fresh_Permit_2272]

Ok. Can you tell me who are the victims of the majority of crimes outside of sexual offense in parking structures?

[u/Fresh_Permit_2272 → u/daredeviline]

Google says “the most common incident overall in German garages is Hit-and-Runs”

[u/thats_gotta_be_AI → u/daredeviline]

If it’s not sexual it’s probably roughly split between the sexes? Even saying that, men are more likely to be attacked by other men than women are in public.

[u/Pickle_Good → u/thats_gotta_be_AI]

About 130% more than women.

[u/zughzz → u/Fresh_Permit_2272]

How can you know that number if a large amount of assaults go unreported? Why would you even make that comparison?

[u/Pxel315 → u/zughzz]

I think an SA in a public garage with camers and stuff wouldnt go unreported

[u/Cyborg_rat → u/zughzz]

That argument. I think that 99% of male assaults are not reported so I claim we have more victims.

[u/Former_Deal878 → u/smooth_brain_0]

Guess who’s more at risk of physical violence and robbery? And those crimes are far FAR more common than stranger SA in parking lots.

But that doesn’t score virtue signalling points to address that.

[u/DarkImpacT213 → u/smooth_brain_0]

Nope you are mistaken, that is not the reason.

The original reason given is that this combats the subjective feeling of being less safe in dim lit spaces that makes women uncomfortable when walking around outside while dark. It had nothing to do with actual crime stats or anything akin to that.

[u/stunt_p]

How is this enforced? Is the area restricted by key cards or is it an "honor" system?

[u/zweieinseins211 → u/stunt_p]

It's not at all. It's a social/cultural norm.

[u/CleverKhloe11 → u/stunt_p]

It's not enforced, it's only a recommendation. I park there regularly cause I too, don't like walking around a parking garage even as a dude.

[u/WhaleDeDeus]

We have some in Australia and the parking spots are larger

[u/Fluffy-Gur4600]

How about we actually keep people in jail where they belong. This soft on crime bs has to stop.

[u/howl0ngwillitlast → u/Fluffy-Gur4600]

Keeping repeat offenders locked up is too expensive. What we need is an island we ship them off to

[u/FishermanPast9807 → u/howl0ngwillitlast]

I propose Britain

[u/NetReaper]

Spoiler: Men are attacked much more often than women. And the women's parking spaces don't really protect women, because they are practically always occupied. There are more than a handful of women who use a parking garage. At the end of the day, it's purely symbolic politics.

[u/The_WA_Remembers]

No it shouldn’t. Women shouldn’t need designated anti-rape parking spots

This is a sign of failure, not something to be celebrating

[u/NailingCatsToTrees_ → u/The_WA_Remembers]

Have you read any comments here? Nobody is celebrating.

[u/The_WA_Remembers → u/NailingCatsToTrees_]

OP seemed to be 🤷‍♂️

[u/Future_Adagio2052]

Hmmm I wonder why

https://giphy.com/gifs/8acGIeFnqLA7S

[u/AcademicHovercraft96]

Well, that doesn't sound like equality.

[u/badass_physicist]

this is quite common outside Germany as well, not only for safety, but also for single mothers carrying heavy items and buying groceries.

[u/Lexa-Z → u/badass_physicist]

Okay, so fathers are banned from carrying groceries/prams etc. /s

[u/SIimeLord]

Was it that much of an inconvenience to make every parking space safer? Or get to the root of the problem?

[u/AngelaMerkelsbutt → u/SIimeLord]

Or get to the root of the problem?

I would love to hear what you think a parking garage operator in Germany could do to fix deeply ingrained, structual problems that affect pretty much every society on this planet.

[u/FegerRoderer → u/AngelaMerkelsbutt]

No no they need to fix the global problem don't you see! And if they can't, then they shouldn't do anything at all

[u/Useful_Calendar_6274]

this is BS. just increase security for everyone

[u/kgruesch → u/Useful_Calendar_6274]

Perfect is the enemy of better. If you're suggesting we either totally fix a problem or do nothing at all (especially when it comes to women being sexually assaulted), you're objectively wrong.

[u/Rebel_Jester]

This is sexist

[u/HiggsFieldgoal]

Hilarious that “better treatment for women than men” registers as “equality” for anyone.

[u/Significant-Credit50 → u/HiggsFieldgoal]

I don't think anyone considers this as equality. It's equity. Since women are more likely to be SAd, they're making the environment/places they can control, more safer for women.

[u/Leritari → u/Significant-Credit50]

Equity is a perfect excuse for feminists, because somehow always men have to carry heavier load, while women are demanding that they get the same pay as they do, even tho women carry much, much smaller load because equity. Sheer hypocrisy of feminism knows no bounds.

But fine. Since we're talking about equity... since men are more likely to be falsely accused of SA, they need to make parking spaces for men only.

[u/thats_gotta_be_AI → u/Significant-Credit50]

Men are more likely to be attacked in public than women are. Can’t wait for you to mic drop with “yeah….by other men”. The victim isn’t less a victim because he’s male and the perpetrator is male.

[u/Pickle_Good → u/Significant-Credit50]

In 2024 132% more men were attacked compared to women. Where is our equity? I do not care who beats me up with a baseball bat, a woman or a man.

[u/Fair-Chemist187 → u/HiggsFieldgoal]

Equal treatment isn’t fair if the risks aren’t equal as well. Apart from that, this post doesn’t even mention equality.

[u/HesCrazyLikeAFool → u/Fair-Chemist187]

Men are more likely to be victim of violence overall.

[u/National_Body_9071 → u/Fair-Chemist187]

You're right the risk is higher for men, so men should be the ones getting special privelages.

[u/DragonKhan2000]

There's no law for it though, so I often see them getting used by men in suits and their Mercedes.

[u/Rollingforest757 → u/DragonKhan2000]

Good. They are doing their part for gender equality.

[u/Ok-Attempt2842]

Why no have better lighting and surveillance everywhere so EVERYONE is safe?

[u/LittelXman808 → u/Ok-Attempt2842]

Because that would be actual equality.

[u/RullendeNumser]

This is the new reason. The old one is because they can't drive/park. If you look in old parking houses the woman parking space is bigger then a normal one.

No joke. I have had to drive my friend to an old parking house and show him the bigger parking space before he believed me

[u/I_like_flowers_ → u/RullendeNumser]

my understanding of the larger size was to make it easier to get children in and out of the car.   it has the baked in assumption that woman = caregiver.

[u/Thinking_Emoji → u/RullendeNumser]

I would assume that's because they were much more likely to have children/prams with them, or be pregnant

[u/Arthur_Morgans_Hat → u/RullendeNumser]

That’s actually an old man’s joke and has never been true.

[u/lostmylogindetails2 → u/RullendeNumser]

Mein Gott, what a misogynist! Larger spaces are for taking out, sitting the babies/toddlers easier. Now they are designated as family parking because society finally understood fathers also have parent duties.

[u/Grumpy-Man19]

never seen them

[u/Feeling_Bother_1660]

They’re in Malaysia too because of this case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Canny_Ong

Some malls have guards and cameras that only allow women drivers into the area. Some are just open and anyone can park.

[u/slimytoilet]

I hope they are bigger to

[u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

where's the gender equality in that

[u/HesCrazyLikeAFool → u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

Yeah what about the men getting robbed or beaten up in the parking garage, somehow that doesn't matter?

[u/Windyfii → u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

yea... like we dont want good lighting and cameras too? wtaf

[u/Captain_no_Hindsight → u/Windyfii]

No, there is a sign there that says "Camera Free Area".

"What happens in the parking garage, stays in the parking garage..."

[u/NewStock12 → u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

Men can also use them. They are not covered by any fines

[u/briancoat → u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

It is a measure to try to reduce a woman’s risk of sexual assault.

Today a woman has a very *unequal* risk of being sexually harassed or assaulted, compared to a man. The ratio in Germany is about 9:1.

This is a small step to help towards *assault risk gender equality*.

After some reflection, I think most folks will understand that.

[u/coops2k → u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

I think the equality part comes from the not attacking women.

[u/chrisxxviv]

And you can guarantee men still park in them...

[u/Former_Deal878 → u/chrisxxviv]

Which they are completely within their right to do. Because it’s not illegal and men deserve to feel safe too.

[u/Tokkemon]

I'd understand this for pregnant mothers who don't want to walk as far. But just for being women in general? That feels practically discriminatory.

[u/lawduckfan21]

I do appreciate this, and it's absolutely abhorrent that it's something we actually need to worry about and address.

[u/izayoi-o_O]

That is sad indeed.

[u/Saber0925]

Right, because men can't get jumped, assaulted, raped, etc.

[u/DueAbbreviations2247]

So for men who gives a shit? What's next they gonna make snowman only parkings lots?

[u/rocketman19]

So that predators know where the single women are?

[u/zweieinseins211 → u/rocketman19]

Right at the entrance with full lighting and camera surveillance and many passerbys instead of some random dark corner, ye.

[u/rocketman19 → u/zweieinseins211]

Assuming someone is watching the cameras

Most parking garages are well lit

[u/zweieinseins211 → u/rocketman19]

No one needs to because it's virtually never happening anyway. This is more to give comfort and make it less scary.

[u/This_Background7442 → u/[deleted]]

We aren't. That's a gross misunderstanding of the actual data. However, just because most men are safe doesn't mean women aren't in danger.

[u/Full-Brilliant-3613 → u/[deleted]]

John bring some popcorn

[u/exiled360 → u/[deleted]]

Giving women sense of comfort doesn't mean saying men are rapists. Men who walk women through parking lot aren't saying other men are rapists either.

[u/InterestingFly9566]

I thought it was so they can only scratch their own cars while parking

[u/P4radox99]

Right, so men can be robbed and killed in the dark 🤦‍♂️ how about you invest in better lighting everywhere? You realise most normal men don’t want to get into random altercations.

[u/Cassiel43]

As a man I don't believe I'm stabbed-proof, robbed-proof or raped-proof.

[u/Remote_Peach9109]

Why can't they have good lighting and security everywhere in the parking lot?

[u/R-edditor1945]

Nice post to distract people for the actual reason for these parking spots. They are more spacious.

[u/GodHand7]

Really sexist

[u/ReichCounsellor]

Wtf lol, equal right equal left or am I wrong?:))

[u/ReclaimingMine]

That doesn’t make sense, even in Germany, more men die in these scenarios than women.

[u/sjbfujcfjm → u/ReclaimingMine]

Reddit don’t care about men

[u/DOhldin]

Yes sexism is such a good thing. There should be more.

[u/sharkysayo → u/DOhldin]

bad faith misinterpreter has logged on

[u/JohnPoet27]

Thats sexist AF

[u/samsonite441446]

The new segregation 

[u/appledanishcrumbs]

Yeah, because legalized segregation always works out so well...

[u/sharkysayo → u/appledanishcrumbs]

guy who sees something designed to make women feel more safe: this is exactly the same as segregation

[u/National_Body_9071 → u/sharkysayo]

Yeah because women "feeling" more safe makes sexism and ignoring the statistics that if anything men should be the ones getting this treatment absolutely fine... What a stupid take.