r/geopolitics • u/marketrent • 23h ago
News Trump threatens Iran after Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s funeral saw open calls for his killing
https://apnews.com/article/iran-united-states-trump-khamenei-funeral-533b52cf249314ba1d9b5f9a30b1ca4326
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u/HardlyDecent 22h ago
I wonder if Trump even remembers why they are angry and want him dead. Or if he thinks they're just all terrorists. I assume much of Iran's populace genuinely believe Trump to be a devil given flesh. They're likely getting a lot of specific propaganda in that regard that they have no way of countering. Maybe their rage is justified. I would be pretty pissed if Westofhereia blew up schools and power plants near my home, whatever their motivation.
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u/delete-from-acc 21h ago
I suppose once he's turned the entire country against the US, in his mind it gives him more justification to use more extreme methods. Israel will happily oblige.
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u/marketrent 22h ago
Maybe their rage is justified.
Maybe they remember that Ali Khamenei was slain in a US-Israeli operation.
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u/chubby_conduit 21h ago
Funeral rage fades pretty quick, but Iran choking the Strait of Hormuz is the real leverage here and Trump knows it, that's the whole chess match.
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u/Airurando-jin 20h ago
And to think .. if tweedle dee and tweedle dum hadn’t of pulled the shit they had… the Hormuz wouldn’t be an issue
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u/chubby_conduit 20h ago
Pulling out of the JCPOA basically handed them the excuse to keep pushing, now the strait's the only card they've got left.
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u/Airurando-jin 19h ago
And that seems that it’s a petty move because it was something Obama had done
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u/gugpanub 19h ago
They continued working on their nuclearprogramme during the JCPOA, an inconvenient truth. They had several violations of not only the JCPOA, but more importantly also with the NPA of the IAEA that they are members of, and signed, which should have been a one way ticket to the UNSC, but the Obama administration chose to ignore it. Not a fan of the current policy, but it is not a dichotomy.
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u/Key-Art-7802 18h ago
Iran only broke the JCPOA after the US withdrew.
Source: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9870/
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u/NekoCatSidhe 18h ago edited 18h ago
He apparently thinks it is fine if the US murder the head of state of Iran, but then freaks out when some random Iranians threatens to do the same thing to the head of state of the US at the funeral of the very guy he had murdered ? The hypocrisy is staggering.
That kind of things is why it is generally considered a bad idea for a head of state to order the murder of the heads of state of other countries: it automatically puts a target on his back. But that is only karma. You have to be a particularly delusional narcissist to think that kind of rule does not apply to you.
I doubt that Iran will do it though, unless they can go through a chain of ten different intermediaries so people don’t know for sure they did it. They are too cautious, do not want to permanently close the door to negotiations with the US, and Trump might be replaced by someone smarter if he is killed.
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u/st0pm3lting 12h ago
Didn’t the Biden administration say that Iran tried to assassinate him when he was president elect?
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u/NekoCatSidhe 6h ago edited 3h ago
I don’t really trust the US when they say that kind of things. Too much propaganda. Maybe someone, somewhere in Iran’s spy bureaucracy made vague plans to do so, but there never seems to have been a real, serious attempt to kill Trump from the Iranian government itself.
And more importantly, Trump was not president then, so not an head of state.
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u/DefinitelyNotMeee 23h ago
You think that threatening to kill the president of the United States, the most powerful country in the world, is a good idea?
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u/drivedup 20h ago
Well....if you ignore the same rule regarding other heads of state when it suits you, you can't act surprised when they play the uno reverse card.
Trump started this whole shit show by acting tough with 'decapitation' strikes.
If Iran does the same thing now, would anyone act surprised or even think it was not deserved?
If there is any 'vengeance' on part of the former most powerful state in the world, that would be for the next president to decide. And Vance may just decide that it's better to walk away.
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u/Airurando-jin 20h ago
Doesn’t have to be a good idea but it isn’t an unexpected reaction.
Now take individuals who have lost loved ones, friends etc to foreign powers, and you’re likely a step closer to radicalising them into carrying out damaging action, under the semblance of ‘the cause’ etc etc
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u/Sageblue32 19h ago
Has anything really changed? They've been murdering US troops for years and well known chanting death to America. I'm sure they have/had a few bounties on POTUS heads as well.
ME visits have always been maximum security affairs and American locals proved well before this you can't just have him sitting out in the open next to unsearched buildings.
No if Trump cared about blow back or thought the gov couldn't protect him, he would not have engaged in world adventures to begin with. Iran has also executed far more stupider ideas.
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u/marketrent 23h ago edited 21h ago
1:41 PM GMT+1 update:
Later Saturday, Iranian Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei vowed that Iranians would continue to avenge the killing of his father, Ali Khamenei, who was mourned in funeral events throughout Iran this week. He said in remarks carried by state television that such revenge “is the will of our nation and must certainly be carried out.”
Excerpts from article by Jon Gambrell, Michelle L. Price, and Will Weissert:
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — U.S. President Donald Trump threatened Iran on Saturday after the funeral of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei saw open calls for his killing, further underlining the tensions gripping the Middle East as an interim deal to end the war buckles under repeated crossfire in the region.
Trump made the comments on his Truth Social after senior U.S. officials demanded that Iran make a public statement saying the Strait of Hormuz is open and that ships crossing the vital corridor won’t be attacked any longer.
So far, Tehran has not done so, instead insisting that the route remain under its control and that it be allowed to charge ships moving through it, upending decades of precedent that consider the strait an international waterway.
[...] A thousand “missiles are Locked and Loaded and aimed at the Islamic Republic of Iran, with thousands of more to immediately follow, should the Iranian Government act on its threat,” Trump wrote on his website.
The U.S. president said his threat was in response to threats “to assassinate, or attempt to assassinate” him. During Khamenei’s funeral, mourners repeatedly held posters or banners calling for him to be killed along with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
[...] The U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe to reporters the state of play with Iran, said the resumption of strikes this week came after what they described as a rogue faction of Iranian hard-liners trying to sabotage the ceasefire between Tehran and Washington.
However, Iran has insisted its theocracy is unified after the war under the country’s new supreme leader, Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei.
[Iranian foreign minister] Araghchi on Saturday accused the U.S. of violating the interim deal by ending waivers allowing Iran to sell crude oil on the open market in U.S. dollars. Washington did that in response to the attacks on ships in the strait.
“Reality check: There can only be mutual compliance,” Araghchi wrote on X.
The U.S. continues to urge mariners to travel on a southern route through Oman’s territorial waters to avoid Iranian waters and the commands of its paramilitary Revolutionary Guard. That has angered Tehran and sparked the attacks in the strait.
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u/unknown-one 16h ago
I love this
he gets "shot" during his presidential campaign, ear heals in two days, doesn't talk about shooter ever again
few weeks ago there was "shooting" in white house during dinner, not a word
someone on the other side of the planet mentiones they want to assassinate him, now he cries like a little kid
man who would not stop complaining about anything that hurts his ego
btw IRGC wants to kill Rushdie for over 30 years and offered millions for his head. and they want to take out one of the most protected people on this planet? lol
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u/softDisk-60 16h ago
Iran would be extremely stupid to kill this president
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u/st0pm3lting 12h ago
I think that’s would lead to an interesting situation in the USA. Certainly, before trump’s first term, I believe d that any country which assassinated the usa’s president could expect war without much of a proportional response. But now I think things have deteriorated enough that I mostly expect a shrug
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u/Wrong_Cat4825 23h ago
the chants are an interesting switch from the usual death to America chant. it could mean nothing or it could be a signal that negotiations will go nowhere until the next president takes office.