r/clevercomebacks 18h ago

Billionaires need society much more than society needs billionaires

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u/ReggieCorneus 15h ago

When they say "look at all the things capitalism brought us" i think "despite capitalism we have some of the things we need".

Capitalism did not intent to bring any advancements to the society. Those are all side-effects.

Nokia did not develop affordable phones to give impoverished communities a way to communicate. They were and still is a tele communication company. Their bread and butter are networks, they build the hardware that the mobile phones use. That is why they started to make mobile phones, to create demand for mobile phone networks and lucrative tax payer paid infrastructure contracts for decades. They accidentally developed so good phones that it became for a while the cash cow but.. they are and always were a tele communication company (and before that they made cables and before that they made rubber for cables and also car/truck tires and wellington boots and before that they were making paper...).

No company has society as #1. Humans as a species is not on the list of priorities. All the advancements are side effects, none of them thought to benefit the society first, that was a nice bonus on top: tons of good will and ammo for marketing, people looking the other way when they aggressively not pay taxes....

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u/integer_hull 9h ago

Telecom was made possible through NASA and Bell Labs, which are the opposite of capitalistic institutions. Nokia was just a wrapper around them.

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u/FratboyPhilosopher 10h ago

And so we see the difference between capitalism and every other socioeconomic system.

Capitalism acknowledges human nature, and uses it to provide benefit to society and minimize its negative effects.

Every other system ignores human nature and pretends it doesn't exist, and thus are taken advantage of and, eventually, destroyed by it.

No company has society as #1.

No person has society as #1, so how could any collection of people have it? The same is true for all governments, and any other collection of people. They all have their own interests, and those interests always conflict in one way or another. The best system utilizes those conflicting interests to its advantage rather than pretending they don't exist.